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Feb 24, 2017

Rundle: not even penalty rates cut will drive voters back into Labor's arms

The Fair Work Commission's decision to cut penalty rates seems like a win for Labor, but the ALP is so far out of touch it might be impossible to ever come back.

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There must have been at least a little silent rejoicing in the corridors of Labor at this week’s “Fair” Work Commission ruling, cutting Sunday and holiday penalty payments. “Those poor kids, poor students, those poor poor,” they must have said. “Oh thank you. thank you. thank you Jeebis!”

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40 thoughts on “Rundle: not even penalty rates cut will drive voters back into Labor’s arms 

  1. maxcelcat

    And here then is why I left the party after some 25 years of membership. Will, this and their refugee policy.

  2. graybul

    It really hurts Guy . . . . but it is overtime that Labor’s underwear, alongside LNP, outed and handed off to electorate for a good clean and airing. Need a thorough culling of parliamentary membership to a point where remaining members’ pain, re-focusses attention less on ideology/ self; and more on national priorities. We enter dangerous waters . . . .

  3. Graeski

    So the question becomes, if not Labor, who does someone with a genuine leftist political leaning turn to in this country? Maybe the Greens, but as Guy has pointed out, they don’t quite fit the role. The number of times they have been willing to side with the LNP to get legislation through supports this view.

    Where’s our Bernie Sanders?

  4. klewso

    Which end do you use to blow up this Bill Shorten deflatable doll?

  5. David Gewin

    Leave the lawn bowls out of it please; not an ‘old man’s’ sport.

    1. AR

      Mick Malloy got a great film out of it – forgotten the name but a cracker.

  6. Nudiefish

    I’m agog at this for the simple truth of it all. There was a time when you could read something like this in the mainstream media. You know, in the days of actual journalism and before the great mastheads plagiarized Reddit for front page copy.
    The ALP is a dirty player in politics just as the LNP. But, where do we go from here? I don’t want to see how this movie ends cause I’m sure it will suck.

  7. Aethelstan

    Another cynical anti-Labor effort by Rundle … laced with the usual filthy language …

    1. Guy Rundle

      oh no, not filthy language. What like ‘union trades away penalty rates’, ‘millions in union rorts exposed’, ‘SDA as bad as FWC’ ‘Labor MPs wont live in their outer-suburban electorates?’ I agree. Disgusting language.

      1. Aethelstan

        Indeed … reluctantly agree … it doesn’t sound good …

    2. Damon

      You’re confused. When an ex-ALP Premier becomes paid lobbyist for the banks, Labor are the cynical ones.

    3. Matt Wright

      Fuck you Athelstan. Fuck you.

  8. Grumpy Old Sod

    “Bligh’s move from Labor to ABA isn’t a change of politics; it’s a change of business card.” How absolutely depressingly true. There is no belief within Labor anymore, they’re just as morally corrupt as their opposition and that leaves us all in shitters ditch with a barb wire canoe.

  9. Xoanon

    Rundle is quite right in pointing out how compromised the ALP is. However, penalty rates is a cracker of an issue for Labor if they play it right, especially juxtaposed against the government trying to give tax cuts to corporations. This may well be Turnbull’s WorkChoices.

  10. Lee Tinson

    Wish Guy wouldn’t vent his depression on his readers ….

    1. Guy Rundle

      Me? I’m bounding with joy. You want depressed? Talk to a student doing the graveyard shift at a 7-11 on crappy wages the SDA got for her/him. Then you’ll hear depressed.

    2. Matt Wright

      Fuck you Lee Tinson. Fuck you.

      1. Bob the builder

        @Matt Wright On the off-chance you aren’t merely a bored troll and actually care about what is written on these pages – Crikey has many viewpoints, both in writers and readers, and is often hard-nosed and vigorous, but this sort of puerile comment, so common on many other forums, is largely absent.
        Ideas, not abuse – or just keep it to yourself.

    3. Olga Kimpton

      Well Guy Rundle mightn’t be depressed by Labor’s performance, but heck, I sure am!
      Try living in the (Victorian) electorate of Pascoe Vale (like I do) and discovering that SDA- aligned Lizzie Blandthorn (from Kew, not a local till she moved here, under pressure, after her election win) was our endorsed state Labor “representative” for this safe Labor seat – courtesy of Labor Party pre-selection deals with the SDA. I can assure you, that if this happened to you, you wouldn’t have much to feel optimistic about! Why do why does Labor use its safest seats to inflict hopeless candidates onto the very electorates which most need the strongest support, those fresh candidates who could well be Labor’s very best hopes for a future, more progressive Labor?

  11. Will

    And then you’ve got Ken Henry now heading up NAB arguing that company tax rates need to be slashed in Australia. How dispiriting can it get?

  12. Damon

    I want to print this out hundreds of times and decorate my walls with it. I would, if i coyld afford to buy a house within cooee of where I work and study…

    1. Geoff Stewart

      Move to Adelaide,lol.

  13. AR

    That hole in the air, gumBoil Schlernt, may look like a flock of moths that found a suit, but he wouldn’t have a fraction of its EQ.
    Honestly, has anyone ever seen a more blatant example of a preprogrammed person?

  14. AR

    Even Mar’n Fer’son was wheeled out on RN this morning to proclaim a new dawn for workers, more jobs for all!
    Satire is dead, buried, cremated and turned into compost,

  15. BDlair Dodge

    Thanks for the RAFFWU shoutout Guy. I quit the SDA in disgust a few years ago, and it’s great to finally have a real union. And the SDA seem nervous. A few weeks ago a delegate visited our store to, I shit you not, hand out photocopies of an anti-RAFFWU hitpiece from the Australian. Because as everyone knows, all the best unions are endorsed by the Murdoch press…

  16. Al Blake

    ‘Bill Shorten looks like a flock of moths that got their own suit. ‘
    – worth the price of the Crikey sub for that phrase alone. very keatingesque. Thank you for raising the tenor of my morning read amongst the doom and gloom of such a depressing topic.

  17. Joe Fitzpatrick

    “and the notion that people avidly follow parliamentary stoushes was doubly archaic.”

    Yay. Someone finally pointed this out. But many commentators will claim that Turnbull gained much-needed “momentum”, boosted his backbenchers “morale” and gave the government a “narrative”. It’s never that simple. Narratives only work if they feed pre-existing popular perceptions.

  18. sottile6

    If this sectarian nonsense is the new Greens line then Marx help us all! I have seen this in other places from other Greens and I think it will blow up in your faces. It is just a new vanguardism. Will the Greens save all the workers who are not union members then? Perhaps this new dictatorship of the commentariat can fix the SDA. Meanwhile people who are actually engaged with unionism as ordinary members will recognise that the problem lies in very low rates of union membership and will encourage people to join a union in preference to this sectarian approach of just whining about the Labor right. Some of us actually have to fight with them in real life and have been doing so for 35 years instead of getting on our high horses. I am sick of being patronised by Greens. We are fighting capitalism every day.

    1. Bob the builder

      Try taking a few weeks off the Kool-aid Sottile6!
      What capitalism is Labor fighting? Is Anna Bligh leading a secret revolutionary group inside the Bankers’ Union? Is Shorten using his wet lettuce to cow the financial class? The unions have long been dominated by hollow grey mediocrities – if you are actually on the frontlines, rather than sitting on your arse in an office – you must know this, you must know that your bosses are much better mates with the other bosses than they are with you. You must know you’ve been used and betrayed and the value you provide to vulnerable workers is constantly diluted by the actions of the rubbish that sits in union headquarters, their one nod to social change being mid-afternoon drinking sessions in Sussex street pubs, mumbling “Solidarity Forever” in slightly embarrassed tones.

      1. sottile6

        I am totally unmoved by your hairy chested ranting. Perhaps you could try not behaving the same way those Labor right men behave and try some actual activism. Try to get out of Sydney and see how the rest of us live. We are all heartily sick of your superior attitude generally. What you’ve written makes very little sense to me anyway. I have always been ‘on the front lines’ as you put it and if you are implying that I work for a union you are mistaken. I am an ordinary member. Your attitude to unions is pathetic and does not reflect my experience. Whatever you say I will continue to fight capital’s colonisation of our lives in many ways, including through my union, because I am an activist.

        1. Nicholas

          If you were an activist you would not accept Labor’s passive acquiescence to conservative framing of public policy questions. You would be bold and vigorous; you would show imagination. You would not mindlessly go along with the neoliberal economic policy framework endorsed by the ALP.

        2. Bob the builder

          Get out of Sydney? I live in a small town of less than 10 000 people that’s the biggest place for 300km in remote northern Australia. Are you some sort of robo-commenter from Sussex street trotting out empty cliches?

          1. sottile6

            Read my comments again. I live 1000km from Sydney, and not in NSW. I was also careful not to attack you personally but to argue with your words. Resorting to trying to insult me while trying to be more ‘authentic’ says nothing about the points I have tried to make. Like most Australians, I have lived in a city all my life and am proud of that. I am glad I did not have to put up with the rural idiocy of Queensland country towns. If you are relying on this level of argument to attack unions and unionists then I can’t help you. The fact that people like me exist may not fit your world view but that it irrelevant. Next time the Fair Work Commission cuts your wages think about that 85% of the workforce who belong to no union at all and thank them for it. I blame the weakness of unions on the lack of members, as well as on the diminishing industries with traditionally strong and militant unions. It is time to talk about the hard things like how to address these problems instead of the safe and sectarian anti-Labor approach taken here. If the ALP disappeared tomorrow how would that help the working classes?

  19. Aussie4real

    We simply don’t seem to have anyone in the major parties who really cares about the future of the whole of Australia. With Trump in the USA we need capable, principled and tough politicians to see our country through the changes ahead and the tough decisions that are going to have to be made-that means they forget about their own careers and vain obsessions to remain, or become Prime Minister and do their elected jobs- protect and provide the best possible outcomes for our population. What are we doing about manufacturing jobs and are we looking at the necessary transition policies for the move to more automation in the work place?

  20. Itsarort

    So Guy, what you’re saying is that if a Labor politician was randomly selected from a hat, you’d very likely get a polly whose philosophies are aligned with the likes of Languiller or Bligh? I think not.

  21. Dog's Breakfast

    Both scathing, and true.

    The SDA deals are the very worst that unions could do to workers. It was less about running superannuation companies though GR, it was about Coles and Woolies promoting union pay deductions via payroll so that the unions had lots of members, so that they would then have more delegates at conferences, so they could then determine policy.

    Selling the workers for numbers at conference. Doesn’t get more cynical than that.

    Militant unionism would be the very best thing that could happen to Australia right now, if only!

    As for nobody caring about what happens in parliament, doubly so for what the Gallery reports on what goes on in parliament. Even less interested, if that is possible.

  22. Charlie Chaplin

    “A flock of moths that got their own suit”, Lol! Priceless!

  23. Srs21

    Am disappointed with Labor. They are so drowning in political correctness it drives me mad! The workers are the most important asset we have! Without them we have nothing! I know it’s important to have….. business, workers, taxes …….. revenue for the Govt to spend on infrastructure,(which at the moment they’re not, cos they want a healthy bank account instead,)but Labor has pushed them behind them so they can be Bleeding heart liberals and be everyone’s friend. Not possible Labor. ON is a protest party,some good ideas but I will never vote for them regardless because she has said penalty rates should be gone, and gone they will be. She’s Liberal no matter what name she places on her ‘how to vote card.’

  24. Srs21

    Am disappointed with Labor. They are so drowning in political correctness it drives me mad! The workers are the most important asset we have! Without them we have nothing! I know it’s important to have….. business, workers, taxes …….. revenue for the Govt to spend on infrastructure,(which at the moment they’re not, cos they want a healthy bank account instead,)but Labor has pushed them behind them so they can be Bleeding heart liberals and be everyone’s friend. Not possible Labor. ON is a protest party,some good ideas but I will never vote for them regardless because she has said penalty rates should be gone, and gone they will be. She’s Liberal no matter what name she places on her ‘how to vote card.’ Step upto the plate Labor.

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