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Oct 21, 2016

Maria Lutz with children Elisa (left) and Martin (right),
Maria Lutz with children Elisa (left) and Martin (right),

“I agree it’s a tragedy, but until you walk in their shoes, it’s very hard to be critical.”

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7 thoughts on “The Manrique children were murdered, and yes we should be critical

  1. Tinatoerat

    I disagree with the tagline of this piece: “Those who say they can “understand” why Fernando Manrique murdered his family are saying that people with disabilities would be better of [sic] dead. ”
    They are making no comment at all about the woman and children who were murdered. All they are doing is acknowledging that there are circumstances – severe depression, frinstance – in which people’s thinking, motives, rationale are affected to the extent that they make decisions that have dire consequences for others.

    1. suriag

      They’re being phrased with a level of sympathy ~for the actions~ that domestic murders of physically abled kids never garner.

      This is incontrovertible if you actually read threads about it. I have seen tens of people explicitly saying their deaths might be for the best, in contrast with your assumptions.

      1. Buddy

        Agree. There’s certainly been a ‘ well you can understand’ theme running through commentary.

      2. Decorum

        But it’s a really, really long way from that observation – the (equally incontrovertible) point that caring for physically disabled kids *can* be harder than caring for others – to concluding that those expressing the sentiment must believe that people with disabilities would be better off dead. In fact, it’s such a long way that it just smacks of clickbait.

  2. Dog's Breakfast

    He, and possibly they, killed their children. What’s not to judge?

    I’m a fan of euthanasia, but this story has nothing to do with that, this is murder, assuming the reports to date have been accurate. (?)

  3. Will

    A father with suicidal depression (most probably on account of having two autistic children) determines he can no longer go on living.

    His choice – leave the family behind to the agonies of daily life without his exclusive Sydney north shore, executive-level financial support – or take them with him into the silent void by means of a carefully executed painless gas expiry?

    I just bet you Shakira Hussein here claims to be a worthy feminist. You know, free choice. And actually, so do I. I firmly believe women own the right to not choose a life of hell for their offspring.

    Well, Shakira, I reckon it’s the same for men. Think of it as a couple of post-facto abortions. It should help you get over the genuine tragedy involved.

  4. Hunt Ian

    Will’s comment is appalling. Of course it was murder suicide and not defensible on any ground that their lives were not worth living.
    To what extent the murder was done by a person in full possession of a capacity for rational choice is unknowable and not worth speculating about.
    Such speculation does not imply that disabled kids have lives not worth living but only wrongly presume that care for them can make carers feel that their lives are not worth living.
    In any case, does anyone believe that involuntary euthanasia is acceptable, apart from Singers claim that it is cruel to sustain wholesale suffering? The only position that most debate today is that voluntary euthanasia is acceptable and the children’s murder has nothing to do with that