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Jun 14, 2016

Let's be clear: Orlando was an attack on gay people at a gay club because they were gay

This was an act of extreme and violent homophobia. Claiming otherwise is an insult to LGBTI people.

Mourners gather at a vigil for the victims of the Pulse Nightclub shooting in downtown Orlando, Florida
Mourners gather at a vigil for the victims of the Pulse Nightclub shooting in downtown Orlando, Florida

“I don’t have a problem with gay people, just don’t shove it in my face.”

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James O'Neill
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“In the worst mass shooting in US history”. Check your history Josh. There is a long list of massacres perpetrated on both native American and black people in the US. For a sense of perspective you might like to read http://www.thesaker.is of 13 June 2016.

Iskandar
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Just when you thought the Incredible Shrinking Malcolm Turnbull couldn’t possibly shrink any more, he managed to with his initial public statement on the Orlando shootings. Turnbull was of course obligated to say something, but whoever writes his speeches seems to have been lazy, and merely lifted a few lines from the George W Bush/John W Howard songbook immediately post-911: “hatred of our freedoms”; “free society which all of us enjoy”; “assault on every one of us”; “assault on freedom” etc etc. What risible poppycock! Even Turnbull realised this for within a couple of hours his line changed to the… Read more »
Swen Mytop
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There is so much money spent on anti-terrorism that every violent event must be considered to be terrorist – otherwise who would accept the cost and the associated loss of civil liberties?

kanooka
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So Swen, you would prefer less or no money spent on terror related crime so we can save those funds for what purpose? I guess you would also be happy to have more civil liberties (not sure which ones we have lost) at whatever cost in terms of terror attacks. Given the nature of the article your reply seems totally out of context, if it was not a terror event maybe you can enlighten all of us as to exactly what it was. I doubt very much the attacker had any ties to ISIS or any other group, that does… Read more »
Michael James
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Yes, it was an attack on a minority by an extremist. That minority was targeted in large part because that extremist philosophy (radical Islamic fundamentalism) considers homosexuality to be an affront to their god. The truth though is that gay people are only one target for that extremism, Jews in Paris, Yahzdi’s in Iraq, Christian’s and Coptic’s in much of the Middle East, Australian’s in Bali, and Westerner’s everywhere just on general principles. In the twisted, hate filled world those people live in, killing gay’s in America ticked multiple boxes. Homosexuals? Check Westerners? Check Americans? Check On American soil? Check… Read more »
julian callaghan
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isn’t it ironic to “stand together as one community” whilst delineating an “us (the west) vs them (radical Islamic terrorists)”?

BruceHassan
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Thanks Josh, you’ve put in words what I have been feeling. I was watching Leigh Sales last night talk with a terrorism expert about everything except the gay hate that is at the heart of this tragedy. My partner and I just looked at each other and said at the same time “she’s missed the point completely”. From many others, that wouldn’t be surprising, but from Leigh Sales? Today’s Sydney Morning Herald has several letters denouncing the evils of Islam from letter writers blind to the actual cause – disdain and hatred of homosexuality or the sexually different. They seem… Read more »
Sally Mickelson
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Open your eyes, Josh.
It’s the classic NWO trifecta in one foul swoop. 1) Gays. 2) Terrorism. 3) Gun control. It was also mentioned he was a wife basher and a bipolar sufferer. Is there anything they missed? I am surprised fat people did n’t crack a mention. A gay night club is a very soft target for any MK Ultra mind controlled patsy. If gays think the coming great tumult will miss and overlook them then they are mistaken. They are on notice just like the rest of us.

kanooka
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Josh, why is it that members of any group that sees itself as identifiable claim to want to be accepted as “ordinary” members of society, yet when a tragedy such as this occurs seem to want to claim it as theirs. I have no problem with LGBTI people at all, I accept them as people just as I do any other person. My horror and disgust at this devastating attack is that it took place at all. The fact that it was at a gay nightclub is if no significance to me at all, any more than it would have… Read more »
Perkin Warbeck
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Excuse me? Lecturing our community on how to behave when our community is being murdered, vilified, told they are “broken” people who need religion, compared to Nazis and their atrocities, tagged as paedophiles and corrupter of children?
You DON’T get to tell me how to respond. The arrogance of the privileged heterosexual is breathtaking. Only matched by the poor white middle aged man who wants to tell women, people of colour and those of the diverse in gender and sexuality community how “bad” they have it and how much they are “marginalized”.

AR
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Way to miss the point Josh (& OwenJ) – it was “an explicit attack at a gay club on gay people for being gay./I>” because the perp was deranged by his religious delusions.
I neither know nor care whether he was a repressed gay – the spaghetti monster phantasy was dominant.

Bob Roberts
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Right. Good thing this act of hate was not done by a radical Islamic terrorist! Oh wait…

Bob Roberts
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Obviously this issue is far more painful for the LGBTI community than it was for the people of Paris when a radical Islamic terrorist attacked the Bataclan concert hall and shot dead 89 people before he blew himself up with a suicide vest. Or the people of Belgium in March when radical Islamic terrorists bombed the Airport and a train station that resulted in 35 deaths Or the people of New York when radical Islamic terrorists claimed the lives of 2,996 people on 911. Or London, India, Canada, Australia……… I mean come on people! This is CLEARLY a Hate crime… Read more »
Brett Wilson
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How is always the case that these attacks continue to slip through the Police States Counter Terror drag net? Is this just coincidence? While the right-wing media blames Muslims and the left-wing media blame guns, perhaps it would be more effective if thinking individuals would examine the possibilities that this attack was a false flag incident designed to push an agenda that would benefit those in power in some way or other. The Police State has some serious explaining to do since it appears that their various security agencies are possibly the greatest initiator of terrorist activity inside American borders… Read more »
Sally Mickelson
Member

@Brett Wilson
Spot on.

johan childs
Member
This attrocity hasn’t just come out of the blue. And be clear this isn’t only a crime against the Gay community, this is the war against all infidels and we should be well and truly awake to it by now. There can be no holding hands with the doctrines of Islam, it’s our enemy and the hatred and homophobia is indoctrinated into it’s believers. Western free society has to repudiate this doctrine of Islam. If we want a society of acceptance,make it clear there’s no place in a modern world for a religion that hates all outside it’s ignorant awareness… Read more »
Russ Hunter
Member

Thanks Josh.

nullifidian
Member

If Mateen was gay, bipolar, and a committed Muslim, and his religion told him that homosexuality is evil, and that gays deserve to be executed, surely he would have been highly conflicted. Surely, this could explain his actions ?

AR
Member

And let’s just ignore Leviticus shall we.
Stone Age delusions are bad enough but given modern weaponry the equation is changed.

Raoul Thorley
Member

It is nice to know that Islam has nothing to do with Islam.

And people pay money to read this tripe?

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