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Jun 2, 2016

No analogies for you: why Lyle Shelton needs to quit comparing Safe Schools to Nazism

There are instances when analytical comparisons to Nazism may be useful. Safe Schools and gay marriage do not qualify.

Helen Razer — Writer and Broadcaster

Helen Razer

Writer and Broadcaster

This week, the Christian lobbyist and hellfire connoisseur Lyle Shelton warned of national takeover by a homosexualist Reich. In short, he believes that campaigns for lawful same-sex marriage and the maintenance of the Safe Schools program will cause “unthinkable things to happen, just as unthinkable things happened in Germany in the 1930s”.

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11 thoughts on “No analogies for you: why Lyle Shelton needs to quit comparing Safe Schools to Nazism

  1. James O'Neill

    Helen, as you point out Shelton is scarcely representative of Christian opinion in this country. Yet he receives an inordinate amount of coverage, appearing on TV, being widely quoted in the various media, and now receiving the benefit of your scorn. Why do we not just ignore him? His hateful bigotries only flourish in the sunlight of publicity. Let him wither on the vine of obscurity.

    1. Helen Razer

      Agreed. I just couldn’t work out a way of saying “ignore this guy” without saying which guy it was that should be ignored!

      1. rob white

        I was doing a pretty good job of ignoring him until you brought him up again.

        1. klewso

          You make him sound like a hairball?

  2. klewso

    I’d like to know what sort of Godwin he claims to speak for?

    1. Helen Razer

      This is the danger of a Godwinless life, Klew.

  3. Dog's Breakfast

    “And that if we fail to remember how extreme nativist responses to economic recession ends in the modern era, we not only dishonour the dead and the damaged, we risk producing their historical descendants.”

    Ah yes, worthy of a whole series from you Helen. Plenty of modern day fables to be had.

  4. Kevin Nguyen

    I was tired after the fourth holocaust analogy from Australia politicians.

    I must have drastically misinterpreted Shirer’s ‘The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich’, because it was my understanding that the lead-up to the Jewish genocide arose from the Fuhrer’s personality cult, a fallout from the Treaty of Versailles and a lack of accountability in times of war – not a bunch of dudes going to town on each other private bits.

    Never mind that homosexuals were sent to Auschwitz as well, but in all my time observing politics, there has never been a successful comparison of the holocaust and a social issue outside of another actual genocide.

    Politicians will pussyfoot around the things that happen in Rwanda, Burma, Armenia and Iraq and call it a ‘tragedy’ or ‘problem’, but when it’s two guys fucking it’s a ‘holocaust’?

    It always goes the same way: Someone invokes Hitler, people call them an idiot, the Jewish community get offended because their near extinction has been trivialised, and then the first person says “people are taking what I said out of context” but then makes a quick apology, anyway.

    Unless a group of people are being systematically killed, they really need to pick another fucking comparison.

  5. AR

    I managed a brief escape to the Icke world thanks to the link in MzRaz’s treacleilike treatise.
    Unfortunately, eventually I had to return, trudge through the shallows of her deepest witterings and emerge blinking, as expected, at the end, which stated the premise, too many words late.

  6. Wayne Robinson

    Actually, Shelton’s comparison with Nazi Germany is a good one. The Nazis demonised a minority (mainly the Jews), ascribed powers to them that they didn’t have (control of Marxism in the Soviet Union AND capitalism in America and Britain and removed their rights. The Nazis justified their rule and policies by holding plebiscites.

    In Australia, a minority (homosexuals) are being demonised, they’re being ascribed powers that they don’t have (to turn the rest of us homosexual), deprived of rights the rest of us have (the right to be miserable and unhappy in marriage) and to have rights withheld by holding a plebiscite.

    I’m currently reading David Cesarini’s ‘Final Solution. The fate of the Jews 1933-49’. Depressing reading, nothing particularly new but in great detail. Abbott was wrong when he claimed that the Nazis were embarrassed by the Holocaust and that they tried to hide it. It was very badly concealed and well known to many in the Wehrmacht who took pictures of it happening and passed the information back to family and friends in Germany (they also largely approved of it happening too).