It is the burden of countries hosting major international meetings that they must endure the presence of some deeply unsavoury leaders. The Chinese government, one of the most brutally repressive in the world, is a member of both APEC and the G20. Vietnam, a serial and ferocious human rights abuser, is a member of APEC. Saudi Arabia, a vile theocracy that engages in beheadings for crimes such as “sorcery” and systematically oppresses women and foreign workers, is a G20 member. And Russia, run by the profoundly corrupt and repressive Putin regime, is also a member of both bodies.
The Australian government’s attitude toward Vladimir Putin has changed somewhat over time. In 2007, John Howard enthusiastically embraced Putin when he visited Australia for the Sydney APEC meeting and signed a deal to sell Australian uranium to Russia. Now, Putin will attend the Brisbane G20 meeting as a reviled figure seen as indirectly responsible for the deaths of 38 Australian citizens in the MH17 mass murder.
The Prime Minister says that, in effect, Australia is bound by G20 rules rather than its own preferences and that accordingly Putin is permitted to come to Australia. For this Tony Abbott has been criticised by both the opposition and his own party, in Queensland Premier Campbell Newman. But the Prime Minister has adopted the sensible course. It will not serve Australia’s interests to seek, successfully or unsuccessfully, to exclude the Russian President from the G20 meeting. There are already questions about how effective the G20 can now be — diminishing its effectiveness further will only serve to strengthen those doubts, particularly at a time when there are major concerns about the ongoing depression in Europe and growing worries about China’s property market.
And for those who want some form of payback for the downing of MH17, Putin’s presence in Australia allows Abbott the opportunity to direct Australia’s criticisms of Russia personally and directly to the Russian leader.
12 thoughts on “Crikey says: Putin should come to the G20”
klewso
October 13, 2014 at 2:16 pmWhat was the alternative? “Razz-Putin” and not Li Keqiang or any of the others with their human rights abuse records?
[…. “Because Vlad made Toady look a clown on the world stage in Bali 12 months ago”?]
Reechard
October 13, 2014 at 2:17 pm“And for those who want some form of payback…” WTF???
For Xrissake stop with the hideous propaganda.
I did not take out a subscription to Crikey to get the same crap as served up by the Murdoch gutter dwellers.
There is not one shred of plausible coherent evidence whatsoever to suggest that Russians/President Putin were involved with the shooting down of MH17.
It was much much more likely to have been shot down by Su25s flown by affiliates of Poroshenko’s putschist crowd in Kiev.
1) It was the Kiev ATC that redirected MH17 over the spot where it was shot down.
2) Spanish controller tweeted about jets shadowing MH17. Tapes of all interactions since ‘removed’!!
3) No AGM tracks were reported (it was daylight).
4) Pictures show holes (30mm cannon size) on both sides of aircraft cockpit panels.
5) It was Poroshenko’s forces that shelled the crash site.
6) Messages and videos were shown to be faked. Beforehand.
Why? A nasty false flag to give an excuse for NATO to invade and interfere in Russia’s business. Complete with phoney intelligence and pathetically rigged photos. Such is the utter criminal stupidity of most Western leaders, had President Putin been as mad as some of them, had Merkel not had a stronger sense of right and madness, there could well have been nuclear war in Europe.
Putin is in a far far stronger position to criticise Western support for the behaviour of Poroshenko’s putschists for utilising the Neonazis storm troopers and murderers of the Right Sector, Svoboda and thugs such as the Azov brigade. The list of the atrocities they have committed is seriously long. Abbott and Bishop will seriously embarrass themselves if they try and stare down President Putin.
Why do you write such jingoistic crap?
Grumpy Old Sod
October 13, 2014 at 3:03 pm@Reechard. Hear, hear!
Sometimes I think renewing my subscription was a mistake when I read such crap as this editorial. It may as well have been written by the good folks at NATO with all their attendant Russo phobias, instead of by someone 10,000 miles away who, one would hope, could at least try to see if there is any other side to the story.
The evidence you present is there in the public domain. Questions such as ‘why haven’t there been any sat. int. presented by the USA and NATO?’, considering that they blanket this planet 24/7 and that part of the world even more given their geo-strategic interests there is a question never asked nor is the data requested.
Objectivity? Only as far as the cheque book or ‘fat controllers’ will allow. Independent media? My fat arse!
Luke Hellboy
October 13, 2014 at 5:36 pmI agree with the two previous comments (Reechard & GOS). Truth wasn’t the first casualty of the MH17 fiasco, it was taken out in a preemptive strike long before. There seems to be more consistent information about the MH 370 disaster… and we don’t even know where it is!
Putin is a piece of crap, no doubt. A duplicitous world leader who lies as easily as he breaths, uses his position to enrich himself and his benefactors, sends aggressive military forces into sovreign countries and wraps nationalism around himself to try to cover all these short-comings. This is a definition that also applies to the majority of G 20 delegates though (particularly our own). I’d be happy to see none of those 2-bit wankers in $1000 suits turn up in Queensland. We have more than enough of that calibre of people up here already.
Truth wasn’t just the first casualty in MH370
klewso
October 13, 2014 at 8:09 pmNow Toady’s going to “shirt-front” him – should be interesting in itself?
It would be tempting to criticise him for “sinking to Putin’s level” – if he wasn’t down there anyway?
James O'Neill
October 14, 2014 at 7:29 amYou continue to blame Russia for the crash of MH17 when the evidence is far from clear and the recent Dutch report reached no such conclusion. If alleged bad conduct was a reason to exclude a ckuntry from participation in the G20 why do you not even mention the USA which has invaded multiple countries, overthrown or sought to overthrow more than 50 and killed millions of people in the process?
AR
October 14, 2014 at 7:59 amWe long suffering Crikey subscribers are used to BK penning desperate job applications to join mudorc’s mjendacious minions but when did Gog-Magog Sheridan become the editorial writer?
GideonPolya
October 14, 2014 at 10:36 amIll-mannered, boorish, thuggish and US lackey PM Tony Abbott invites President Putin, the leader of a major nation, to the G20 and then, in a bid to outdo the ill-mannered, boorish, thuggish and US lackey Leader of the Opposition for jingoism, threatens to shirtfront him for false and concocted reasons in a Lib-Lab (Liberal-Laboral, Coalition and Labor Right) race to the bottom of the barrel. In a rat race a rat always wins.
The Guardian Australia reports PM Tony Abbott’s thuggish behaviour thus: “I am going to shirtfront Mr Putin – you bet I am – I am going to be saying to Mr Putin Australians were murdered, they were murdered by Russian backed rebels,” Abbott said. The government has confirmed Putin will be attending the world summit in Brisbane after G20 countries agreed “by consensus” that Russia should not be sidelined. It is alleged Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down over eastern Ukraine in July by Russian-backed rebels, killing all 298 passengers and crew, including 38 Australian citizens and residents” (Gabrielle Chan and Gay Alcorn, “Tony Abbott says he will “shirtfront” Vladimir Putin over downing of MH17”, The Guardian Australia, 13 October 2014: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/13/tony-abbott-says-he-will-shirtfront-vladimir-putin-over-downing-of-mh17 ; “shirtfronting” in Australia Rules Football means to extremely violently attack and neutralize another player from the front).
The investigators have not yet made their report on who actually shot down MH17 but Australian PM Tony Abbott, Australian Opposition leader Bill Shorten, the ABC and SBS are blatantly and dishonestly asserting that “MH17 was shot down by Russian-armed pro-Russian Separatists”, assertions that are propaganda falsehoods and cruel, cynical and offensive politicization of the tragedy in the absence of an authoritative expert investigator report on the matter.
Indeed Means Opportunity and Motive (MOM) analysis strongly suggests that the neo-Nazi-, US-, NATO- and Australia-backed Ukrainian Government forces shot down MH17 and there is considerable hard evidence for this proposition (see “MH17 verdict: real evidence points to US-Kiev cover-up of failed “false-flag”” ” , Global Research, 25 July 2014: http://www.globalresearch.ca/mh17-verdict-real-evidence-points-to-us-kiev-cover-up-of-failed-false-flag/5393317 ):
1. The Ukrainian Government forces (Kiev Forces) have Buk ground-to-air missile systems and trained operators (the Rebel Forces have neither);
2. The Kiev Forces have very high altitude-achieving warplanes with air-to-air missiles (the Rebel forces don’t have an airforce);
3. Kiev and the US are withholding key Control Tower conversation and US surveillance data, respectively (Russia has apparently provided all such available information);
4. Kiev air controllers shifted MH17 from a safe southerly route to a dangerous northern route just before the attack;
5. High altitude Kiev warplanes were in the vicinity of MH17 before it was shot down; and
6. MH17 Fuselage damage indicates damage from warplane machine gun attack as well as air-to-air or ground-to-air missile attack.
Decent Australians will utterly reject the dishonest, jingoistic and highly offensive Coalition and Labor Right politicization of the MH17 tragedy, vote 1 Green and put the Coalition last. The taxpayer-funded ABC and SBS complicity in this public lying is par for the course e.g. see “Censorship by ABC Late Night Live”: https://sites.google.com/site/censorshipbyabclatenightlive/ , “Censorship by ABC Saturday Extra”: https://sites.google.com/site/censorshipbyabclatenightlive/censorship-by-abc-sat and “ABC fact-checking unit & incorrect reportage by the ABC (Australia’s BBC)”: https://sites.google.com/site/mainstreammediacensorship/abc-fact-checking-unit .
James O'Neill
October 14, 2014 at 3:28 pmMore arrogant nonsense from Abbott in this morning’s paper about confronting Putin. The man is an embarrassment. If he has a skerrick of evidence e to support his wild allegations he should tell the Dutch. I suspect he knows full well what happened as is set out in the global research link in Gideon’s letter.
If he really had evidence as opposed to posturing why would he sign a secret deal with the Ukrainians, Dutch and Belgium to keep the results of the investigation secret unless all four parties agreed. Since when does a prime suspect have the power of veto over an investigation?
The Australian government might also ask the Americans for their satellite data which they have refused to do. Pigs might fly. The Russians gave documented evidence on 21 July 2014 of what their satellites and radar revealed. They also asked some pertinent questions which have yet to be responded to.
To make matters worse Shorten is joining the same ignorant chorus as the Coalition. Not only does that reveal the character of the man, like Abbott it also shows profound disrespect for the victims and their families.
Reechard
October 14, 2014 at 5:37 pmLukeHellboy.. Why do you think Putin is a “piece of crap”?
What has he done to deserve such odor?
He has done amazing things for Russia since becoming President. As far as I ascertain, President Putin has increased the overall wealth of this people and also defended his nation and people from far more expensive Western depredation.
This perhaps explains the likely slanders against him and claims of corruption. As we know, it is impossible to prove a negative and claims of “secret billions” can be taken with a pinch of “Uncle NEDs special salt (all the way from from USA)”. It is important to remember that the foolish females of PussyRiot were also encouraged by the same “Unkie NED..”
But for his steady head we could be contemplating a glowing Europe, courtesy of our most special friends.