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Aug 7, 2014

Razer’s Class Warfare: give Women Against Feminism a chance

Young women no longer see feminism as a social justice movement of value -- and who can blame them?

Helen Razer — Writer and Broadcaster

Helen Razer

Writer and Broadcaster

When you are gone, there is a very good chance that your soul will be claimed for Utah. Latter Day Saints have the peculiar habit of finding dead sinners and reclaiming them for the name of Mormon. Even if you are untroubled by the possibility of your posthumous baptism, you might agree that it’s abhorrent for the LDS to steal Anne Frank’s soul for Jesus. Frank was one of many Holocaust victims covertly claimed in Salt Lake City.

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  1. linda

    Another Razer straw man demolished. Nonsense to assert that any feminism worth serious consideration is supportive of neo-liberalism. Ridiculous to credit young Christian right-wing women with a more profound understanding of capitalism & class than feminists. NO WAY is my feminism divorced from my opposition to current modes of capitalism. If you’ve ever hung around with men in leftist orgs you should know anti-capitalism REQUIRES an active & vigilant feminism.

  2. mark petrolo

    I love you, Helen Razer.

  3. Kim F

    Ah people are so ready to consign feminism to the mists of uncertainty. Wrong. Most of the time, everyone knows when a woman is being put down, because she is a woman, or in a way that, although it is not specifically directed at women, nevertheless affects women more severely. Naturally, many excuses are made for this. Yet there it is. In every workplace, every day. In the street. On the internet, and so on. The woman knows it because she feels the sexist kick in the gut, the insult, the unfairness, no matter how skilfully she goes on to rationalise it. So here’s one definition of feminism: when the woman gets the chauvinist kick in the gut, she goes with that and does something about it. She does not rationalise it away. She does something to change the real balance for herself and for other women in that situation. She takes a political stand. It is called feminism.

  4. Draco Houston

    what razer fails to grasp is that leggings are a perfectly acceptable form of pants

  5. mark petrolo

    Kim, you say the definition of feminism is clear but when you describe feminism as a woman’s conscious decision to do “something” about sexism you are yourself getting to the heart of what is undermining the feminism that so many have turned against. Because unless you know what that “something” is then feminism may as well be a decision to do NOTHING about sexism. Suffragettes, on the other hand, had a very clear tangible objective. But the feminists of today and all their discussions cannot take credit for the progress made by feminists of the past and I think the women holding up these signs know that.

  6. Helen Razer

    hahahahahaha @Draco Houston

  7. Kim F

    mark petrolo, yes wouldn’t it be convenient if feminism sat itself up as just one nice, easy target. but sexism is like the hydra, so feminism has to be complex, and it is. As for the red herring about taking credit, it’s unlikely that today’s feminists, who just won’t shut up will they, but keep having their discussions, are riddled with fantasy guilts imputed to them by their opponents.

  8. mark petrolo

    Kim, nobody is saying anyone should shut up or feel guilty. But just saying sexism is complicated therefore feminism (the solution, apparently) is complicated is still just the same cop out no matter how reworded to include references to greek mythology it might be. Being insidious, today’s sexism is nothing like the hydra. Feminism is more like the hydra, an antiquated eyesore with no place in modern society which I also imagine keeps falling over on account of its many heads failing to agree on a direction to move forward in.

  9. bluepoppy

    Feminism has morphed over the years. In the 70s the rhetoric was about choices, stereotypes, sexism, unequal wages and the like. Feminism has in some ways bought into a capitalist, economic rationalist model which identifies value in terms of economic contributions to society. (As if other forms of contribution are less valuable because they cannot be equated with money or GDP.)

    In a way feminism is to some extent guilty of the same narrow stereotyping which helped foster the movement. It is not a one-size fits all.

    There are many disparate and separate groups and ideas. There is no one definition or rule, only those that might be reinforced in public institutions and bodies. It is here the stereotypes apply. I remember one Q&A episode where a business representative made a comment along the lines of ‘who would want to stay at home and raise children anyway’. That woman does not represent me even if I make the same choices as she. Let’s not narrow the idea of what it means to be a feminist.

    Has there ever been a paper from the OSW that valued the role of parenting, particularly stay-at-home parenting – unless a man is doing it. It is kind of ironic.

    Thinking optimistically, perhaps the process of change has to go through a diminishing of what are seen as traditional choices, to reach an end point where feminism morphs back into a sort of universal humanism that opens up different choices for men and women based on their own beliefs, all of which are acceptable and equally supported.

  10. Jacob Kelly

    I’ve been loving these responses to the WAF movement, because none have really been able to put their finger on the problem.

    Being blunt, the problem is communication (and by extension, marketing). Whilst embracing the fast paced nature of social media towards the end of 00’s, Feminism as a movement became increasingly elitest and militant, the the point that many, whilst still believing in the definition of feminism, are now alienated by its messaging.

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