Jul 24, 2014

Can the AFP really help in Ukraine?

Abbott wants to send the cops into war-torn Ukraine. Is this a wise move? Andrew Goldsmith, strategic professor of criminology and Grant Niemann, senior lecturer in law, explain.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott is reported to be considering using the Australian Federal Police’s International Deployment Group (IDG) as part of wider efforts to secure the MH17 crash site in eastern Ukraine. The objective would be to permit the recovery of bodies and the conduct of a full investigation into the crash. In the past the IDG has been used principally as part of missions to restore order and rebuild basic governance in places such as East Timor and the Solomon Islands, in our region, and well away from the type of scenario currently unfolding in eastern Ukraine. In the cases of East Timor and Afghanistan, Australian police have been either part of United Nations missions or under bilateral agreements between the two governments concerned.

The AFP has also sent detachments of police to more volatile and dangerous places, such as Sudan and Afghanistan. In these cases, however, the number of police has been typically very small, and much thought has been given to the military and private security support available to protect those officers, who are typically undertaking special training and intelligence tasks from within relatively well-protected environments. Protecting officers in such circumstances, needless to say, is very difficult and also expensive.

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16 thoughts on “Can the AFP really help in Ukraine?

  1. Daly

    This is just Tony Abbott looking tough to continue to deflect attention from a disastrous two weeks in Parliament during which his budget was torn to shreads and his poor negotiation skills on view.
    At least all this posturing will never happen because cooler heads in Defence and the AFP will tell him it is all rubbish. As are most of his solutions to problems. This one, like so many, is not one that requires a solution by Australia. It will be very competently handled by the Europeans.

  2. Peter Watson

    In the week since the plane crashed, Ukraine has been on the offensive in the civil war in the Ukraine. This is a civil war, not just a government fighting a small group of terrorists.
    In this last week Abbott has not once called on the Ukraine Government to call a truce. He has not talked to the militia leaders to gain access as both the Dutch and Malay governments have.
    A Malay and Dutch delegation have been to the site, picked up the flight recorders, taken responsibility for the train load of deceased, and now have four Dutch aviation experts working on the crash site.
    Where are the Australians. Behind the Dutch, Australia lost the largest number of people, yet no Australian has bothered to go to the site.
    The site is about 40km from the front line. The local militia are not preventing experts inspecting the crash site.
    Abbott has had the loudest mouth yet it is the Malaysians and Dutch doing the hard yards.

  3. Paddlefoot

    Just as we leave Afghanistan , we contemplate involvement in Ukraine. Frying pan to fire. That is high risk IMO. All we can hope for is the retrieval of those lost without too much collateral damage. Putin will not be overthrown. Ethnic cleansing is the historic norm in the Bloodlands and many are still to receive justice after 50 years. We’ve made our point and done well in the UN ( thanks to our position on the Security Council ) and hopefully provide some dignity to those unfortunate souls.

  4. Mark Bransdon

    What the …? Has Abbott lost is? This is a WAR ZONE. What the hell does he think 50 cops are going to do (no disrespect to the police officers)!!!

  5. Bill Hilliger

    Abbott as always with the ambitions of an ocean going tadpole. As long as it deflects the budget impasse and bad polls.

  6. sparky

    Australian exceptionalism moves from the Asia Pacific to Europe. Not going to happen.

  7. leon knight

    Bill – love the “ocean-going tadpole” analogy..!!
    This has been a week of way over the top extremes from the media, even the ABC has lost the plot…and Abbott’s cynicism and hare-brained rhetoric just fuels the fire.
    I will be glad when the madness dies down – and this deployment of course will not happen.
    The reprieve from the the blowtorch will be short-lived for this shambolic LNP crew.

  8. klewso

    They can help Abbott’s photo-ops.

  9. bushby jane

    It’s worked anyway-Abbott has shot up in the polls. You can apparently fool a lot of the people…

  10. H H

    Abbot has shot up in the Polls because he has proven to be the true statesman that he is. What we did at the UN a few days back was outstanding and Australia has done themselves proud. We should be congratulating MP Bishop on her achievements as other world leaders already have.

    Voters will remember this and ensure that the labor party and soon to be extinct greens will not be in power for the foreseeable future.

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