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Jul 2, 2013

Religion v feminism: which has done more for humanity?

Religion may bring eternal happiness -- but has feminism done more good for humankind than all the gods put together? In this book excerpt, a comparison of the two and why feminism is more derided than religion.

Jane Caro

Novelist, author and social commentator

If I were to compare the effect of religion on the health, wealth and happiness of humankind with the effect of, say, feminism, I suspect feminism would win easily. Feminism has never airbrushed men out of the picture — either literally or metaphorically. It has never raised an army, never armed itself and never passed laws restricting the equal rights or opportunities of others. There may have been terrorists who were also feminists — in the IRA or the Baader-Meinhof gang, for example — just as there have been terrorists who were also atheists, but there have been no feminist acts of terror.

Feminism has never killed an opponent. Feminists have died, of course, usually at the hands of the religious. The suffragettes certainly smashed a lot of windows and even set a few fires (always in buildings they knew to be empty), but they never actually hurt anyone other than themselves. Suffragette Emily Davison was killed throwing herself under the hooves of the King’s racehorse at the Epsom Derby, crying “Votes for Women!”, and many of her colleagues went on hunger strikes when jailed for their beliefs, and then suffered the indignity and torture of force-feeding.

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37 thoughts on “Religion v feminism: which has done more for humanity?

  1. klewso

    When was the last feminist war?

  2. Roger Clifton

    Didn’t Bertrand Russell say that belief in the goodness of God is inversely proportional to the evidence? As the climate decays in the decades ahead, we must expect a rise of various religions, providing explanations for the increased suffering.

    Conversely, our own rationalist philosophies, including feminism and respect for scientific evidence, will be under pressure. Now may be the time for us to be engaging the religions, adding our own careful thinking to people of conscience in their ranks.

    Appalled though we may be by past actions of religious zealots, these may be the very people who will most vigorously press for action against ongoing greenhouse damage. If they are seeking guidance from their own religious conservatives, perhaps our voices should be there for them to hear.

  3. 81dvl

    I applaud this article. All of it had to be said. This kind of ‘Truth and reconciliation’ recognition of historic culpability needs to be constantly revisited if a time of truly equal opportunity is ever to be achieved.

    I rejoice in these times that seem to have stopped treating religion as unquestionable. The list of social crimes is even wider. It extends to genocide.

    In the interest of adding momentum to feminism, can I comment on ‘male feminism’?

    Initially, as a hippie baby-boomer, I had no trouble assimilating feminism simply on (what should have been) obvious egalitarian terms. In late teens I marched against the Vietnam invasion, and I marched against sexism. If I had supported socialism, I would be a socialist. In supporting feminism, I am a feminist.

    Your article adds weight to the fact that feminism still has a long way to go – a long way – but there have been some inroads.

    I am approaching 60 now and my views and support remain unchanged. In your opening sentence you mentioned “men” as the culpable collective. For many years now I have been wondering if this – which is common – risks restricting the support of male advocates.

    The elimination of sexism needs all the support and press it can get. For decades I, and most men I know, have stoically taken it on the chin; being lumped with the guilty, because it was necessary. While I was a teacher we went through a period in the early 90’s, of “Positive Discrimination” where women – staff and students – were given advantage. We all supported this and I saw it introduce real and pleasing change.

    My point is that I think that we may now be at the time when the significant percentage of aware men are taken into the fold by coining some new term that would separate them from the implied and laboured concept that (all) Men = bad. You did this in your opening sentence. Perhaps something more creative that ‘sexist males’, but the desired effect would be to separate aware males from the stupidly sexist. It may induce some of the culprits to want to be identified on the other team. Whatever, it should be much less likley to diminish support from ‘beleagured males’, and it is my feeling that the percentage of supportive men is significant, relevant and not guilty.

  4. Toodles

    Thanks for writing this article! I had a vague feeling this book would be full of crap, and now I have some evidence!

  5. Serenatopia

    There are so many pigeon holes in this article that there ain’t enough pigeons to go around!
    The arguments are nauseatingly simplistic Feminism=Atheism=Gay&Lesbianism=Freethinking
    Religion=Patriarchy=Oppression=Pedophile Priests
    Yes—perhaps you need to research history to realise that what makes people good is not someone’s gender, background,political or religious affiliations age or sexual orientation—What makes people good are their personal choices and actions—
    Lord Wilberforce was a male of the patriarchy but he fought against the British slave trade—he did this in the name of Christianity—on the other hand the Pope lodged the Crusades and massacred millions in vain—he also apparently did that in the name of Christianity—is Christianity what makes people good or bad?—of course not—though both Wilberforce and the Pope would argue otherwise—it is their personal choices and their individual characteristics that makes them the way they are—
    I have worked with enough Gay and Lesbian Bullies to realise that not all homosexuals are nice—-but since when did someone’s sexual orientation mean a deeper understanding of the struggle for identity? And since when did Feminism mean a deeper understanding of the feminine?

  6. David Thompson

    Yes, when was the last feminist war? Religion has been the bane of every group that is not part of the “in-group” since man created god. Misogyny has certainly been religions strong suit. I look forward to reading your book.

  7. Pusscat

    Great congrats, Jane, for making these points, and for making them so compellingly. I’ll be parting with the cash very gladly to buy your book when I’m at gleebooks to hear Anna Golgsworthy later this month.
    But you know, for me personally, the final q.e.d. tends to be something like:
    Well, perhaps the ideal might be to be a committed feminist, who also has a religious affiliation selected after as much or as little prior comparative research as circumstance and personal taste may dictate.
    After all, the best way to change ’em, is to join ’em first and then get active from within, in collaboration with the other sisters you find there, of course.

  8. Pusscat

    Ooops, typo, that should be Goldsworthy, and Anna’s Unfinished Business (Quarterly Essay #50) is such a good read thgat I really hate having mucked up her surname like that.

  9. AR

    The ultimate Chauvanist,(in the original Parisian sense, as well as current gender usage) J-P Satre (shame on de Beauvoir) said, when asked why he had, or attempted, an intellectual meeting with the thuggish Andreas rather than the brains, Ulrica, “it was the Baader-Meinhoff gang”.. coff, bloody, coff.
    One of those xtian loonies (‘scuz tautology) a couple of years ago, ranting about the perfidy & danger of female priests, warned that “priestesses were involved in child sacrifice & prostitution” .. on the basis of.. SFA, rather like all godbotherers.
    On a personal note, I am totally opposed to the idea of female priests.
    Coz I’m opposed to priests. And religion.

  10. Andrew L

    Spot on Jane Caro!

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