Jan 3, 2013

From the vault: what is poverty, and who is ‘poor’?

Families Minister Jenny Macklin, who has shifted some single parents on to the dole, is being panned for saying she could live on Newstart. In this piece from October, Crikey looks at how to define the breadline in Australia -- and who is living beneath it.

Bernard Keane — Politics editor

Bernard Keane

Politics editor

It was an easy headline, especially given the report was released on a Sunday. “One in eight Australians live in poverty,” said the ABC. “More than two million Australians in poverty,” ran the AAP copy. Fairfax ran some profiles of people struggling to make ends meet off the back of the Australian Council of Social Services’ new report on the extent of poverty in Australia.

Few bothered to look into the basis for ACOSS’s numbers, beyond that it was an internationally-accepted poverty benchmark. ACOSS used the OECD’s poverty definition, which is 50% of median disposable income. It also provided data for another, less austere benchmark, 60% of median disposable income. On the basis of the lower OECD definition, which ACOSS prefers, 2.265 million Australians are living in poverty. Using the 60% definition, 3.7 million Australians are.

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38 thoughts on “From the vault: what is poverty, and who is ‘poor’?

  1. Apollo

    Hmmmm, this is a little complex when I think about it. I remember the government paid support for my my grand niece when their parents went back to university. Now, I’m assuming that parents being pushed onto Newstart won’t get any support payment for each child between 8-16 years old, that will be very tough for them if they don’t get a few hours of work each week to make up for the short fall. If they don’t have a job, they’ll need at least $25 per child per week from the government. But the government’s idea is to get parents into the workforce and be more independent. This is where the government, the Greens and welfare groups all have it wrong in their policy approach.

    In my past life as a manager of a small super market, I’ve met many single mothers (and very few single dads). A tiny number want to work a little, just so they can meet people and ‘men’, they wanted cash in hand so it would not affect their centrelink payment. About 80% of the single mums I met were working. 20% were happy to live on centrelink payments and had no desire to get a job.

    A good number of single mums are discouraged from working by centrelink reducing their payment too much too quickly when the get part time work. They want to work to earn more money but centrelink reduce too much of their payments, so they asked for cash in hand or refused the job if it required more hours which greatly affect their welfare payment. One great problem was that the mums who wanted to work part time had to put their kids into childcare, it costed a lot while Centrelink also reduced their payment so much that many of them felt that it was not worth it to get the part time job.

    Ok, I have to make my tortilla and sauerkraut first. To be continued….

  2. pritu

    Intolerance towards the unemployed and refugees and others deemed “unfit” in some way, is fostered for political purposes by the Plutocrat (the mining billionaires mainly) directed media and their puppets (the Coalition) in the circus that is now Australian “politics”. It is a cynical means to an unworthy end, to keep the plutocrats softly padded in their mansions. And the rest of us are played for suckers.

  3. Apollo

    Children turning 8, is the right age to have stronger push to try to get the parents back into the workforce. The parents had 6 years to think about it and 2 years to look for work when the child is between 6-8. I think it’ll be a good thing if there’s some kind of insurance scheme for when the parent become unemployed and can draw from it, possibly make some salary sacrifice contribution to the ATO maximum 2000 per year and the government will match additional 30% of the amount when they draw their money out of the account, overall maximum government contribution will be $5000. Similar scheme could be set up for people who want to get more money than their current newstart rate, but probably best to interest rate or some kind of maturity over the years rather than the government contributing 30%.

    The dole is slightly below the right amount. Let treasurer Apollo show Swanson how to calculate it.

    Newstart Allowance = 2.04 days of minimum wage

    So 2.04 * 8 hours * $15.96 = $260.467 (I added 0.04 day because of the carbon tax)

    Pension = 2.72 days of minimum wage. So it should be $347.289 which is a bit lower than current rate. I can hear the pensioners cursing me now, but my friend is on the pension and said that it’s gone a bit too high. They can raise the pension by 1% only next year to readjust it.

    Gotta make my coffee, I shall continue later…

  4. Shaniq'ua Shardonn'ay

    As someone who has lived on Newstart and a Disability, I think there is a need to raise the level of Newstart or at least make it easier for people to work at least part time – which has worked quite well for me with Disability to the point where I receive very little in the way of support these days. The big difference for me was that I had paid off the majority of the mortgage before I became ill. From what I have seen in other people, rent seems to be the biggest factor affecting people and perhaps an adjustment to that would be the best way to address the problem.

  5. Apollo

    Okey doke, now the Greens call for a $50 raise in dole payment is lunacy, and comparing it to other OECD countries is silly.

    I’m sure there are unfortunate people doing it tough and we need to find way to help them, but the idea of throwing money at everything to fix it is not the answer.

    Let me tell you about some of the poor people. Sometimes they can’t be bothered doing the dishes, so they come to the supermarket to buy disposable dish and cutlery. Do the Greens really want to support this kind of behaviour and pay them more?

    There is a demography of people happy to live on the dole, quite a few are fat lards, leaving their cars running, puffing winnie blues pumping greenhouse gas into the atmosphere. Some of their relatives have to buy cigarettes or alcohol for them just to shut their nagging. Giving them $50 more a week will only increase green house emission, more heart disease and lung cancers.

    I’ll come back a bit later to continue…

  6. Apollo

    Agreed Shaniq. But the people who push for much higher newstart payment leave out details that Newstart recipients and pensioners get much more assistance than the payment rate alone. They get rent assistance if they rent, pharmaceutical benefits, concession cards for travel and some entertainment places.

    Comparing the rate to other OECD countries is like comparing orange to apple. Norway for example has high GST structure, the petrol cost about 80% more than Australia. Electrity cost which makes up a small part of household budget, has increased in recent years in Australia, at the moment we pay about 0.20 Euro which is the same as most of the better developed economies in Europe with the exception of Denmark and Germany which have much higher price, no we are not the highest priced in the world. Some people in Australia whether they are poor or rich, don’t not even know that if you leave the light or power on unnecessarily it cost money on the bill. “I think I should turn it off, I heard it will cost more money”.

    I can’t see the Greens proposing a GST structure like the Norwegian. Cherry picking is not good comparison. When they turn Australians into a culture of recycling like the Swedish who have to import waste from other countries to power their heating, then they might have a case for a much higher dole payment increase.

    Back in a bit…

  7. Apollo

    0.20 euro kwph

    be back soon

  8. Apollo

    Speaking of being wasteful, Australians wasted $8 billions of food last year. Wastefulness goes across the board, it does not matter whether you are rich or poor. Some people are always poor because they are always wasteful, some people actually build up wealth because they are good savers so not all rich people are wasteful and not all poor people learn the value of savings.

    $8 billions could have helped resettle so many refugees or build affordable housings, if the money was in the government hands, but Australians cry poor and b*tch and moan hysterically about boat people. They could build high rises in an area of a park and house 10,000 people easily, which will be cheaper for the construction budget. Or the money could go to expanding special need childcare centres, this wonderful program in Melbourne is helping troubled parents or troubled children costing only $36 more per day, but in the long run you’ll have stable children who won’t be caught in the legal system and will contribute to society.

    Australians really need to be more appreciative of what they’ve got, low skilled workers here earn much more than those in Germany. My nephew and his friends from Germany loved travelling and working in Australia after they finished high school. They were able to earn good money and even able to save up to a trip to Asia. I know that some Australians fall into unfortunate circumstances, but the amount of whining in Australia make Australians look like a very weak race.

    Don’t have money to spend and feel depressed? Go meditate, get back in touch with your inner self and try to denounce consumerism, it’ll make you much more happy and fulfilled. $50 dollars more is insane.

  9. zac48

    @ pritu….Do not equate unemployed Australians with illegal immigrants. OK!

  10. Shaniq'ua Shardonn'ay

    @zac48 – most illegal immigrants work – you could never get a latte in the city if there weren’t some uk backpackers overstaying their visas to serve you. However if you mean those who have sought asylum, that actually isn’t illegal.

    @Apollo – agreed that PBS medicines etc help but not everything is covered. An increase in Rental Assistance (the maximum is $121 per fortnight) is probably the best way to cover those who have the most trouble. As for bashing the unemployed for smoking, with probably 90% of the price of a pack of cigarettes going back into the governments pocket it seems to be good economic sense to keep them at it.

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