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Jul 5, 2012

Coalition's policies? We've got 'em -- well, sort of

Crikey has obtained the Coalition's internal policy bible for backbenchers. And we want readers to start going through it.

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Part handy fact source, part ideological screed, part policy bible, the Coalition’s new set of “Speaker’s Notes” (yeah, we’re not sure if the apostrophe is correct or not) — intended for “preparing electorate material and correspondence, talking points, speeches and handling constituent inquiries” — has come Crikey’s way.

The 137-page document is a core resource for Coalition MPs in preparing their communication, and “should NOT be circulated in [its] raw form”. We’re accordingly circulating it in raw form.

Inside its pages you’ll read the sad history of Labor’s many failures (with the single exception of the Fair Work Act, which “deserves a fair go”) and how the Coalition’s position is in every way superior, even when (such as in the broadband and communications chapter) that position isn’t explained in any way. There are also loads of facts and figures to demonstrate the Coalition’s superior record in government.

“Key economic indicators” from the Coalition “Speaker’s Notes”

For a policy-shy opposition that has risen to a landslide-level polling lead that could deliver it control of both houses, it’s the nearest thing we’ve got to a serious collation of policies across specific issues so far.

So we’re setting a challenge for Crikey readers. If you’re an expert, or even just well-grounded, in one of the 42 different policy areas, ranging from aged care through to youth, discussed in the notes, let’s hear from you. Leave a comment, drop us a line or use the completely anonymous form.

Is there anything new here? Any howling errors? Anything worth digging into? We’re crowdsourcing the analysis of the only real insight into the policies of an Abbott government we’re likely to get until next year.

Over to you. Oh and remember, shhhh, this should not be circulated in raw form.

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140 thoughts on “Coalition’s policies? We’ve got ’em — well, sort of

  1. Edward James

    Liz 45 who we get in their place is up to voters, who are able to number the ballots below the line in their own bet interest. as Own gary may point out the shonky political parties like Labor are political team players and minorities among the Australian popualtion at that. Never the less Liz 45 it may be something you wrote, who knows? Crikey readers and journalist have always had access to my phone number 02 43419140

  2. Liz45

    http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/sundayextra/newsmaker/4102820

    Anyone who’s interested. Here’s the interview with Malcolm Fraser on Sunday morning, July 1.

  3. Liz45

    Anyone seen or heard from SB? Could it be something I said? No, surely not!

    @OWEN GARY – I recall after Gough was sacked reading, that Westinghouse in the US, with major interests in nuclear power was taken to Court due to their failure to comply with their commitment of providing uranium. Their legal person was quoted as saying, ‘if we can kick the Labor Govt out, we’ll have all the uranium we need’? That was 6 WEEKS before the dismissal, and after Fraser was elected the uranium industry went gangbusters (so to speak?). Makes you wonder doesn’t it? Gough was going to tell the Yanks to piss off re Pine Gap? Another reason why he had to go!

    It’s interesting, that these days I’m ‘closer’ to Malcolm Fraser on many issues than I am with Labor? Who’d have thought? But unlike Malcolm Turnbull, Fraser had the guts to cease being a member of the Liberal Party. A couple of weeks ago, one Sunday morning after Background Briefing on Radio National he was interviewed – he said that all the present politicians (Labor & Coalition) who are engaging in such hateful political behaviours should be towed out to sea and someone pull the plug! I found myself cheering him on! Interesting isn’t it? It might be on line, I should have a look. And, it’s not just because he’s now older, because he did these things in the 80’s?

    It’s funny that I only realised how compassionate he was to Vietnamese asylum seekers several years ago. I’m the first to acknowledge what he’s done these days – he should be applauded, and clearly shows, that the disgusting and hateful policies of the major parties are just that – disgusting and hateful. In fact, some days I just think twice before I turn the radio on – it’s too depressing! How many times do I have to say, ‘there’s a better way’? Very sad!

    I thought I would go to my grave despising that man? Perhaps despise is a bit strong! One of his daughters used to work with one of the major charities, like World Vision etc. A lovely young woman!

  4. Liz45

    @EDWARD JAMES -And…….Who would we get in their place? Conservatives, or to be more correct, even worse conservatives than Labor that is. If Labor moves any further to the right, it’ll end up on the far left? Extraordinary!

    Today’s nonsense is all for show – how they play us, and think we’re stupid. Funny how the Greens weren’t ‘over the top’ or ‘loopy’ to guarantee them government? And Abbott’s bs? If he could’ve made a deal with the Greens he would’ve leapt at the chance! Hypocrite!

    Someone should suggest that he ask his mate Pell, to take action against priests who are or have r***d children! Now, that would show leadership! Not one word has escaped his lips on this issue EVER! Hypocrite!

    And since the ACCC are going to take action against companies who insist that the carbon price is responsible for any or all increased costs, will they also take action against the Opposition for not only their false claims, but for taking advantage of the situation by increasing their interests/shares in the coal industry etc? Aren’t they committing some crime? Sort of like ‘insider trading’? I think all politicians portfolios need to be scrutinised – very soon!

  5. a_swann

    I wish there was a coherent d rugs policy, rather than same old ramping up of security apparatus approach which has failed forever.

    this policy document reads like a scrapbook of newspaper headlines pulled from the howard years.. the world has moved on.

  6. Andrew

    I recall that when Tony Abbott became opposition leader, within the first two minutes of his acceptance speach he talked about a greater need of workplace flexability. No doubt ‘workchoices’ in code. It’s in his DNA and he’s commited to it and will just give it another name.

  7. jj mick

    Tony Abbott has been big on rhetoric and promises but he is as empty as a coal ship ship returning from China. Abbott was interviewed on the ABC last night and when the reporter delved into a couple of his policies Abbott plain refused to answer. This left the impression that he was conning the electorate. But then there are no real costings of ‘promises’ anyway and it appears that the lust in getting both hands on the levers of power are driving the man to mislead the electorate, knowing full well that once in office he’ll do as he pleases…………or rather as the big business owners of the Liberal Party instruct. I think that it begins with “give back the mining tax” and thereafter I’d venture to guess that it might move onto protecting the pubs and clubs from scrutiny or accountability.

    It is an interesting political landscape we live in. The reality is that dishonesty is the name of the game and I wish I knew how to change this. Ok, we could all vote for a good independent candidate. That would work, but Australians would have to get off their lazy butts and check out those standing. It’ll never happen so enjoy the ride.

  8. Edward James

    @ LIZ45 It has never been enough to vote governments out of power! While voters are so dirty on Labor they should make an effort by voting below the line to direct their own preferences to kick Labor Party members and supporters right out of our Parliaments and Local Councils. Consider John Robertson leading Labor in opposition he was the Minister for the Central Coast, after John Della Bosca a local resident. One of many politicians along with John Hatzistergos now retired from politics who continue to ignore the political sins committed under their Labor party watch. Sins pointed out to them in graphic detail in full and sometimes double page ads in the Peninsula News links provided often in Crikey. Why do voters let so many of those dead wood politicians wander over to the opposition benches where they continue to take our taxes while failing to represent our best interest? Edward James

  9. Owen Gary

    @Liz45

    Yes Liz all of the things you mentioned are never replayed in the mainstream media, but some of us at least never forget.
    It would also be nice to get into the Whitlam archives, he certainly stirred a hornets nest when seeking more information and involvement on the activities at Pine Gap.

    The Liberals have always had the ultimate (mud squad), but lots of money buys a lot of filth, & they are masters of it!!

    When unions are destroyed & there is no longer a floor for minimum wage and the working classes are pushed into further poverty which in turn affects the middle class, this will be the reaction point. Our civil & legal rights have been diminishing since the 80’s, but particulaly since the so called war on terror took them away!!

    I recall Margaret Thatcher took away the childrens milk at school which earned her the title “Magaret Thatcher milk snatcher” no doubt that money went to a noble corporate cause.

  10. Owen Gary

    @Edward James

    So I take it someone snubbed you at a local level to avoid accountability & your state rep then played the ignorance card??

    I have pursued many a cause through the (so called channels & outside) in the same way you have with some ongoing, & yes have been left vehermently angered through the corrupt nepitism and unaccountability that exists particularly within local & state government.

    Corruption is a human trait that is part of our DNA, so no matter whether they be Labor or Liberal that will never change.
    However I fail to see the Liberal Party sweeping into office as being the “White Knight” to your cause as the Liberals have always given corporates a free ride at the expense of the average woman & man (Part of their DNA).
    However I would love to see a 3rd party take office and really bring us close to something that resembles a democracy (if only for a fleeting glimpse). Do you not think that both the major parties really make sure that they are the only game in town via unofficial collusion?? Think about it, Slipper conveniently crossing the floor to head off “pokies reform” does that not strike you as a setup??

    It’s really a gangster type set up as the two party system exists worldwide, and is controlled by multi national interests with the spoils of war filtering right down to their corrupt mates at a state & local level. If you want change don’t vote either and convince others of this choice but don’t try and persuade others to commit suicide by voting an ideology that should have died with the dinasoaurs.

    You know as well as I, we don’t have democracy just the illusion of it, I moved away from Labor 19 yrs ago as I watched them move from the heart of the people to the “Extreme Corporate Right” it is this very reason I could never vote for the Coalition who are leading us to a barron corporate wasteland just like America. It is also for this reason Labor have lost a lot of their core voters

    You must first decipher who the real master is before you go shooting the messengers!!

    On a final note, I applaud your vigor in attacking Councilors & our so called state reps, you will find as I have that you will need a team that is organised well to unify a local electorate & cause some real damage, get your tactics right by playing dirty just like the pollies, and you just never know???

  11. Edward James

    @ HAMIS HILL Posted Saturday, 7 July 2012 at 9:28 pm | Permalink I have just spent an hour on a reply to Owen Gary trying to both provide readers with information and avoid the usual moderation problem. Members of the grass roots voting community are too busy trying to feed their families and keep a roof over their heads to get involved in chasing up their elected reps. Never mind taking them to task about their duplicity exposed in public once they get elected in public! The closer the truth gets to the eyes and ears of the proletariat the higher the chance of those people who do stand up and speak out get to being sued. When thinking people keep in mind the truth is not always a defense / shield against defamation , it is no wonder political parties and other corporations simply bully citizens and constituents into accepting garbage so called representation. Edward James

  12. Edward James

    @ OWEN GARY Posted Friday, 6 July 2012 at 2:57 pm | Permalink Too many voters for far too long have been comfortable accepting politicians lies as part of our democratic political process! That is a big part of the reason our democratic system has become so dysfunctional. For example we here in the Gosford Local Government Area have ten candidates on a Labor ticket for the the often identified as corrupt Gosford City Council. I point this out because none of those candidates nor any other Labor Party members or supporters have put their names to anything I am aware of which refutes in public the often published allegations. Weak journalist will set themselves up as judges by claiming these allegations published for years and canvased in open council meetings and hinted at on front pages of news limited papers are defamatory. Pretty gutless really when there is no danger in asking why the allegations can be often published, people named and identified as liars, yet nothing comes of it. I think it is important to remind other activist there are often published questions canvasing the perception the State Coroner was misled during his inquiry into the deaths of five people at Piles Creek Somersby. This is a political issue something which may make its way to another place in time. Currently Labor is getting a deserved flogging at ballot boxes around Australia, we voters need to take Labor apart because it has been clear for about twenty years, the Labor Party won’t clean out the political garbage the Party is saddling the county with! My public position, writing Liberal are the best tool to sweep Labor from our parliaments and NSW Local Government. Makes it easy for voters whose memory dose not take into account what i have done during the last twelve years, to identify me as a Liberal supporter! The two parties not much preferred do are not my friends! Because I discourage the sort of party political loyalty which results in politicians and their supporters turning a blind eye to obvious political sins committed against the peoples in the name of greater political good / expediency. There must be any number of Crikey readers who have worked out for themselves complaining to the State government about their local councils misgovernance or malfeasance is a dead end, because shonky politicians sitting on the council are members of those parties sitting in the State assembly! Try it sometime do the political thing, identify a politician and question their personal values in front of their fellow party members in public and see how that goes! Edward James

  13. Hamis Hill

    In agreeing with Edward I’d say start with, or even concentrate on, local goverment.
    Local government is where right wing labor apes the conservatives to commit the political sins.
    Usually real estate rezoning deals were the most money is to be made and the most explotation of their neighbours takes place.
    The deals fund the state and federal side shows where at least there is some interstate and international comparisons or rudimentary performance standards to be met.
    But at local government level it is all hidden with the early colonial government finance model through crown land sales being subverted to private interests.
    Look what happened to Lachlan Macquarie, bundled off as soon as he set up the nineteen counties.
    Followed by the criminal squatters, the Liberals’forebears breaking all the rules for fun and profit and bribing the government with wool clip taxes.
    Or fast forward to the rise of Campbell Newman from local government to state premier in the blink of an eye and a blurr of white shoe brigade tap dancing.
    Yup local government where the distinction between labor and liberal hardly exists at all.

  14. Liz45

    @SB – What charity? Some organisation that needs community funds due to the Coalition’s neglect while they were in Govt? I feel like attacking the radio or TV when I hear them rant about how education or health or??? is starved of infrastructure etc. Labor is doing its best to make up for their almost 12 years of neglect. Then, if Abbott gets in, we’ll go backwards again until the people wake up and toss him out! Happens all the time!

    Look at what’s going on in WA, Victoria and NSW? They rabbit on about how many jobs Labor hasn’t been responsible for, and then when they get the chance, they cause thousands of people out of the workforce? Obviously, when they show concern for workers, they don;t include these people?

    Take their very generous pay increases while saying the sky will fall in if workers on the lowest wage get a lousy $27 bucks? Amazing!

  15. Liz45

    @SB – Craig Emmerson not intelligent? He’s got a PhD doesn’t he? I thought it was funny, and trust you to only mention the ‘foam balls’, what about every other night on the TV – Abbott makes an idiot of himself every night. I try and think what line of business he’ll choose for his CHILDISH stunts the next night? An idiot, trying to look as though manual labour is a ‘comfort fit’?

    Abbott still believes that manual labour is a Mexican boxer! He wouldn’t work in an iron lung!

    And Hockey’s comment that the electorate want INTELLIGENT people in Parlt! Well, why doesn’t he resign? At least the ABC showed that image of him dressed up like an idiot!

    I heard Abbott on the news this morning re same sex unions as proposed by Turnbull, and Abbott’s response was to the effect, ‘we don’t say one thing before an election and do something else after’? I looked at the radio in stunned, open mouthed shocked silence?My thoughts immediately went to work choices, education, cost of medical degrees going to over $100,000 per student, and plenty more! Oh yes, trying to water down Medicare – yet again! It was “safe” also! There’s heaps more!

    Oh yes, Costello’s 30 odd increases in taxes and charges or introducing new ones. The list goes on! None of them taken to an election, but now we have to listen to bs about how up front and non-taxing, breaking promises, telling bare faced lies, core and non-core promises?

    Perhaps someone can steer him towards Howard’s 32 lies website, and even remind him of his promise prior to ’04 re private health insurance rebates. He waited about ?? weeks or months and then said, It was etched in stone or concrete as I recall?

    Perhaps MSM could remind him of this, and also ask, why did they go to the last election, and the one before with a promised plan for a price on carbon (either CPRS or perhaps a price on carbon first) and then did the opposite after several months of co-operating with the then Rudd Govt? Or even Abbott’s own words to the effect, ‘if we’re going to do something about climate change the sensible/best? way to go about it is with a CARBON TAX’? Truly, I kid you not!

    As usual, you’re very selective, regardless of what the topic is? You along with your masters think that at best we have a bad memory, or that we’re all suffering from some form of Alzheimer’s? You’re offensive in your demeaning attitude to us. I’m probably older than you are – I voted in the 1967 Referendum, I was appalled by the Whitlam sacking etc. I remember heaps of past history re Coalition lies and deceit and just plain dirty playing, and that’s why I can’t stand them, don’t believe them and will never even consider voting for any of the bastards! I can’t wait for the whole story that hopefully will come out re the Slipper affair? I had a ‘gut’ reaction from the outset – too convenient, and too ‘damning’ to one’s reputation if true. I don’t believe Brough – only due to his past behaviour/s? His own fault!

    I agree with others who’ve said that Eric Abetz should’ve been sacked or expelled after the last half hearted attempt by the Opposition to get rid of a Labor Minister via the Treasury or Tax dept. Turnbull should’ve been kicked out too! He sits in the Parlt with closed mouth, supporting the Coalition re a price on carbon that is the exact opposite of his views and past behaviours. What a gutless whimp! Same as Hunt! He was heavily involved in the same discussions with Rudd etc. What they’ll do to get power – lie and remain closed mouth! Sickening!

  16. lilac

    @ Jimmy SB’s identity crisis was the most informative contribution she/he/it had ever posted! Twas a gold medal winning performance in the troll op Olympics.

  17. Jimmy

    Alfonse – Agreed but would you prefer a Govt that puts in place long term reforms even if it costs them office or one that simply gives the fools what they want to the detriment of the nation.

  18. Alfonse

    Jimmy, I take your point. They are fools, but they will determine the outcome regardless……..and Geomac, it’s still a BIG call – and as inane as your reply.

  19. The Pav

    Jimmy,

    You do realise what you’ve done.

    Put the word “thought” in a sentence implying that she was capable of it.

    Sorry Mate but “thought” & “Suzanne Blake” are mutually exclusive.

    Suzanne has abandoned any pretence of rational thought but her slavish adherence to her employers talking points. Suzanne Blake can no longer be regarded as a sentient being.

    A bit like Star Trek and the Borgs. Suzanne Blake is now one of nine opposition employees. Unfortunately unlike Picard Suzanne lacks the character to break free

  20. Jimmy

    The Pav – Earlier this week she posted a response to herself, presumably she thought she was logged in as Geewizz.

  21. Owen Gary

    @Edward James

    We know politicians are liars (nothing new in that) but the very ideology of the party you support has been on the nose since its inception, thats why it has to form coalitions not just in this country.

    I do not support either party but I do think what the current goverment has achieved already is far more than the “Coalition of the unwilling” would achieve in many terms in office. Though you would never believe this listening to or reading mainstream (big club propaganda) & please stop putting your name after your scribbling’s, that kind of subliminal brainwashing is old hat. Owen Gary

  22. geomac62

    Alfonse
    “..blaming Howard for the entire world’s economic problems..”
    Michael said Howard and his ilk not Howard solely . Surely to label something inane you would have to provide the full sentence or at least the complete context . To do otherwise is fishing for a gotcha moment that is meaningless .

  23. umbria

    Broadband and NBN p 47:
    This entire section still doesn’t answer the questions about the coalition policy asked by Senator Conroy on 5 June 2012:
    http://www.minister.dbcde.gov.au/media/media_releases/2012/087

    The Speaker’s (sic) Notes begin:
    “Everybody agrees that all Australians should have access to fast and affordable broadband.
    But Labor never bothered to investigate how to reach that laudable objective most efficiently and quickly. Instead, we’ve seen a series of false starts, repeated cost and schedule blowouts and a complete inability to deliver the National Broadband Network. In fact after four years and billions of dollars of spending, Labor has only delivered fibre to 4000 Australian households. The Rudd and Gillard Governments have talked an impressive game on broadband, but their record in office is shameful.”

    In fact, since 2004 when John Howard first tried to deal with stagnant regional services on Telstra’s copper monopoly (of his creation) by proposing a universal broadband impreative, we had most recently seen a $6 bill OPEL (Optus-Elders) proposal which turned out to be incapable of delivering the target bandwidth for double the budget. Kevin Rudd’s $4.7 billion FTTN proposal turned out to cost $11 billion but also needed $15 billion compo to regain access to the copper to premises, for a total cost of $26 billion for the terrestrial broadband in NBN Mark I. (Telstra also planned to spend the $15 billion overbuilding its copper with a private fibre network to premises, as we later learned on Four Corners.)

    At this point, vastly superior long-term FTTP became the obvious solution now, because it alone could deliver the bandwidth everywhere, including support for ubiquitous Wi-Fi to decongest mobile data networks, did not need the copper tails to premises, and was probably going to be cheaper than FTTN anyway.

    After the Tasmanian fibre pilot in 2011, the mainstream rollout should have begun in early 2012, but MT’s costly, wasteful parliamentary delays to the legislation meant a Telstra shareholder vote didn’t happen until October, the ACCC forced NBNCo to redesign its network from 14 Points of Interconnection to 121, favouring four big fibre owners, then the ACCC’s main June 2011 deliverable finally appeared on 28 February 2012. And parliament also added Greenfield builder of last resort to NBN’s area of responsibility. The mainstream fibre rollout began on 7 March 2012, after a series of local agreements had had to be used to deploy fibre to mainland first release sites.

    We already now see cheaper, faster interim satellite broadband for the bush, fast wireless services already in use in Armidale, Tamworth and elsewhere, and the clarity to telcos of a 3-year NBNCo plan so they can make ROI on ADSL upgrades in areas not immediately getting fibre.

    The biggest coalition failure is to acknowledge its role in delaying the start date.

    And we still don’t know what the wireless/HFC/ADSL/FTTX and satellite alterantive of the coalition looks like, let alone how many times more than the NBN it will cost, before we even upgrade it to FTTP.

    The coalition is risking many regional seats again in 2013, and a potential repeat of the 2010 crossbench-heavy result that could deliver another Green Labor minority government. It should simply adopt the NBN and its excellent funding model and will romp home.

  24. dazza

    Alfonso
    “..blaming Howard for the entire world’s economic problems..”
    Is that a bit like the Coalition blaming the job cuts at fairfax on carbon tax etc. etc. etc…..

  25. dazza

    These so called “Key economic indicators” are nothing more than the Coalitions wet-dream. Who ever votes for these lazy clowns should take a hard look at themselves and ask: ‘why do I want the Coalition in power’.
    How can I take them seriously as they have nothing to offer except three word slogans based on lies, deceit, stunts and more lies….

  26. Jimmy

    Alfonse – And my point is that those who vote on “perception” are fools. If you can’t be bothered engaging enough to even notice that the carbon tax has resulted in more money in you pay packet this week or that Abbott’s promises of lower taxes, lower debt and increased spending don’t add up then you deserve the disaster that will follow, it’s just a shame the rest of us have to suffer for their ignorance.

  27. Alfonse

    @Jimmy – The point I make is simply one of fact !! I have no doubt that the coalition will get their chance to c0ck things up too. However Labor have done themselves immeasurable damage giving the electorate the perception that they cannot govern effectively, so much so, that the content or impact of any of their policies is now irrelevant. Educated call too from @Michael De Angelos blaming Howard for the entire world’s economic problems. Not sure too many of your left-leaning colleagues would be so silly as to say that !

  28. Edward James

    FRACTIOUS
    Posted Friday, 6 July 2012 at 12:28 pm | Permalink
    Once again, Edward James:

    When did I say Labor should be “let off” for its sins? Don’t put words in others’ mouths.
    Asked and answered again;
    Crikey readers can see I asked you this simple question; Tell us why you might think those Labor politicians who accommodate political sins against the peoples should be let off? Edward James
    Perhaps if I rephrase it for you Fractious?

  29. The Pav

    Jimmy,

    Suzanne Blake is as ethically, intellectually,and logic free as the rest of the bullies she works with in the coalitions offices.

    I have proved several times that she is just an opposition hack.

    This is further den=monstrated by her slanders and inability to debate rationally or even show the slightest modicom of decency and honesty

    Remember plagarism is the opposition’s stock in trade as Suzanna has well learnt

  30. Jimmy

    SB – So an accoutant in Victorias south west who voted for Labor will be to blame for the disaster that will be the Abbott govt?

    I suppose it makes as much sense as anything else you have posted.

    By the way you haven’t answered any of my questions, again.

  31. Michael de Angelos

    Suzanne Blake gives a perfect insight into the average Coalition voter : blank page of policies would be greeted with glee.

    No mention in the notes of the 2007/8 economic meltdown suffered by the entire world from policies forged by Howard and his ilk and avoided exclusively by Australia under Labor.

    And some howlers like the ‘governing boards’ for hospitals that have almost destroyed the NHS in the UK.

  32. fractious

    Once again, Edward James:

    When did I say Labor should be “let off” for its sins? Don’t put words in others’ mouths.

  33. Edward James

    @ALFONSE Posted Friday, 6 July 2012 at 11:44 am | Permalink It is not enough to vote Labor and Labor supporters out of power they need to be thrown right out of Parliament and our Local councils in NSW! There are plenty of political allsorts nominating for voter support I am simply writing put Labor last on any ballot paper try to make sure they get the message! Edward James

  34. Edward James

    STEVE777 Posted Friday, 6 July 2012 at 11:41 am | Permalink Rusted on voters are a fact of political life. Some of them are posting on this string. There are certainly party members and supporters who are comfortable accommodating the political sins against the peoples which their their preferred politicians commit or accommodate. While I came late in life to political activism. I have noticed there is more to politics than simply voting for one or the other of the two parties not much preferred. If effective change is what we want then it is way past time for voters to finish the job of doing to Labor Party nationally what Labor has refused to do for itself! Political allsorts are a minority and for a long long time they have disrespected taxpayers and put barriers between themselves and constituents. I want to change that. Edward James

  35. Suzanne Blake

    @ Jimmy

    Alfonse “Anyone who simply votes Labor out without caring who they�re voting in will find themselves among the majority of Australians at the next election. Can only blame Labor for that !!” Yep and when the libs are in govt and the chickens come home to roost who do we blame then.

    The Lefties blame you Jimmy in the ALP Spin Office

  36. Jimmy

    Steve777 – It’s not even a matter of not beli eving what he says, it actually taking what he says as the truth.

    “halt all meaningful action on climate change by the Australian Government” Well his direct action plan will be more expensive and less effective accoding to every scientist, environmentalist and economist so that is a true statement.

    “handouts to the well off over welfare for those who need it” He has said he will reverse means testing on everything and bring in his ridiculous paid parental leave scheme, so yeas another true statement.

    And then you could go to following the disasterous “expansionary austerity” appraoch that has exacerbated recessions in the UK and europe or look at how he can pay down debt quicker, give more tax cuts and spend more without the carbon price and MRRT to see if “they were competent in matters of the national economy”

    It’s not a matter of bel ief, the facts speak for themselves.

    Alfonse “Anyone who simply votes Labor out without caring who they’re voting in will find themselves among the majority of Australians at the next election. Can only blame Labor for that !!” Yep and when the libs are in govt and the chickens come home to roost who do we blame then.

  37. Edward James

    FRACTIOUS Posted Friday, 6 July 2012 at 11:17 am | Permalink Crikey readers can see I asked you this simple question; Tell us why you might think those Labor politicians who accommodate political sins against the peoples should be let off? Edward James

  38. Alfonse

    Just read all the posts. What was the question again ? Anyone who simply votes Labor out without caring who they’re voting in will find themselves among the majority of Australians at the next election. Can only blame Labor for that !!

  39. Steve777

    It’s not a matter of ‘letting anyone off’ or being ‘rusted on’. We have to go for the least worst choice. I regard Tony Abbott and his rabble as totally unacceptable. I don’t believe what they say, I go by what Coalition governments have done in the recent past and by reading between the lines. I believe that Tony will, among other things: bring back Workchoices under another name; halt all meaningful action on climate change by the Australian Government; nobble and probably sell or downsize the ABC; favour handouts to the well off over welfare for those who need it; have “all the way with …” (insert initials of Republican US president) as their foreign policy; pander to religious minorities (e.g. churchgoers); etc… Possibly their least forgivable sin is the way they exploit the asylum seeker issue for political advantage. Their other unforgivable sins are sowing fear and confusion over Carbon Pricing and talking down the economy. Even if I believed that they were competent in matters of the national economy (which I don’t), I could never bring myself to vote for the Coalition in its current form.

  40. Hamis Hill

    To Edward, I would say that there are distinct elememts in both parties who are culturally disposed to crimes against their neighbours and who are taught to hate democracy as children at “their” schools.
    I think someone famous called them “DLP Stooges”, whatever could that mean?
    Perhaps they should emerge into the light and run as the Actual DLP.
    But it is quite noticeable that they prefer to hide within the major parties and pretend to be ALP, Liberal not so much the Nationals, though Barnaby is qute prominent.
    Know your enemy, know yourself, one hundred battles, one hundred victories.
    Know the enemies of democracy, easy, they leave a heavy trail behund them.
    But the friends of democracy, do they know themselves? Not yet I’d say.

  41. fractious

    Edward James

    When did I say Labor should be “let off” for its sins? Don’t put words in others’ mouths.

  42. Edward James

    FRACTIOUS
    Posted Friday, 6 July 2012 at 9:07 am | Permalink I like the freedom to make my own democratic choice. I am certainly not so unthinking I would remain rusted on to any party. Tell us why you might think those Labor politicians who accommodate political sins against the peoples should be let off? Edward James

  43. Jimmy

    Lord Bonckton – Completely agree, firstly it spreads the blame of all those perceived wrong doings, secondly it shows all colours of govts have their Scandals (it’s the Shaw affair & the Police Commissioner issue in Victoria) and it gives an insight into the effects of the massive cut backs the Libs want to employ.

    The TAFE cuts are the best example of that in Victoria, for years we have been told there is a skills shortage and the fed’s are wanting to pump money into TAFE education so what does old Ted do, slash funding causing courses to be cut and jobs to go.

    There was an article last week talking about Ted being the first 1 term Premier since John Cain’s dad.

  44. Lord Barry Bonkton

    LNP state govts. are the best thing for Labor longterm. After another year of CanJOH in qld , putting UP the cost of Living ,Back flipping and back tracking on Promises ( Non Core ?) stealing solar power from residents at 8 cents a Kw and then selling it to your neighbor for 22 cents ?????? I call that State Theft . Victoria Govt putting the state into a recession , Barry O’ Fail in NSW- just doing nothing but copying Victoria. What’s his name in W.A putting the state debt over $20 Billion in a BOOM state ???? I wonder who is leaking all this stuff ??

    Guys don’t pick on the handicapped (S.B )and mentally ill . Just get her certified .

  45. Jimmy

    SB- So your argument despite all evidence to the contrary is that Emerson is the only MP to perform a stunt, that wasn’t for charity, that made them look foolish? Who danced the Macarena with Kerri-anne?

    And how exaclty does Get Up turning up at Abbott “staged events” lead you to believe Sheik would pretend to pass out on a show like Q&A? Seems a very long bow.

  46. Suzanne Blake

    @ Liz45

    The foam ball thing was for charity.

    The Emerson Rocky Horror stunt was done cause its his intelligence level or just above it.

  47. fractious

    Edward James:

    I am campaigning to get rid of as many dead wood Labor politicians from Federal Parliament, and Local Government in NSW as possible

    Because let’s face it there’s no dead wood in the Fiberal Noalition, is there.

    Federal Labor, NSW State Liberal

    Yeah, that whole State Liberal thing is all going swimmingly, ain’t it. Fatty O’Barrell is a serial palterer yet the press pay it almost no attention. Newman and company are probably worse but it’s hard to be definite about that until he and his “cabinet” have their brain cell reinstalled and the medication starts to take effect. Baillieu and his guvmint is a byword for “incompetent” and cronyism.

  48. Jimmy

    Ronson Dalby – Plus I just got $8 a week more in my pocket thanks to the tax cuts with more to come in FTB.

    SB – But wasn’t the carbon tax supposed to increase the cost of refining?

  49. manuel jose

    Remember, only the phrase “work choices” is dead.

  50. manuel jose

    It’s not called work choices, it’s “flexible employment opportunities”.

    Orly? Well that’s ok then.

  51. manuel jose

    Just because the coalition has released some “policies”, doesn’t mean they happen. I view this more as a set of rough guidelines. Looking a bail lieu in vic and all his “policies”, well, let’s just call those promises very rough guidelines.

  52. The Pav

    I think we should subscribe to a “Buy Suzanne Blake a Brain & sense of Ethics Tax” only problem would be is that it would cost more than the GST and still not help the ethically challenged moron migrate to at least a sub-human level

  53. Edward James

    The moderation robot is killing conversations! Edward James

  54. geomac62

    Hmmm maybe thats the way to provide a link without provoking moderation . Worked this time and it means to simply cut and paste . then add the Ws at the front .

  55. Edward James

    Federal Labor, NSW State Liberal
    Edward James 02 43419140

  56. geomac62

    lvexpress.com.au add the Ws before naturally for AGL story .

  57. geomac62

    No costing of the lib policies and too far out from an election to expect any solid figures . Mind you the shoddy figures presented at the last election and the process used to get them would negate believing much anyway .
    Like the strange , to me at least , assertion that Simon Sheik is a serial stunt performer not much can be believed by the neocons . What happened to people of integrity like Hamer or Killen that represented the liberal brand ? Menzies naturally enough was a true liberal who used reds under the bed etc but still had a sense of governing for all Australians not solely the big end of town .
    I have just read the local rag and AGL , owners of Loy Yang , back a carbon price . Like the claim by wizz or SB that AGL don,t have to pay and Simon being a serial stunt type when asked to back up the claim , nothing . Wizz did provide a link to a murdoch rag I think it was but surprise ! It was wrong .
    lvexpree,com.au

  58. Peter Ormonde

    And in the state?

  59. Edward James

    What do you mean Peter campaigning on the current governments behalf ? I am campaigning to get rid of as many dead wood Labor politicians from Federal Parliament, and Local Government in NSW as possible. Edward James

  60. Edward James

    Both the Liberal National Coalition and Federal Labor have committed our tax money to the building of a three wing rehab ward at Woy Woy. What do you mean campaigning on the current governments behalf ? It is sad with all the information available to you that you would write that all I have really been concerned about is the return of our rehab. I have traded some of my political capital gathered over several years, to help my community to get the rehab back. They came to me for assistance. I have not forgotten the five people who died in a ditch at the bottom of Piles Creek Somersby which predates the rehab I would be interested to hear from others who have questioned in public the inquiry which ruled human error. Again there is any amount of information available to Crikey subscribers. I reckon I am having more effect on the political face of government by doing what I do now. Than I ever did running with the political pack. Identifying politicians as liars in my local papers has been worthwhile. Edward James

  61. Peter Ormonde

    Yes I’m sure you feel you won something. But it has led you to a curious conclusion.

    If getting yourself a marginal seat works – forces the government of the day to listen to your demands – then why are you campaigning on the current government’s behalf? You are undermining your own position… putting your weight behind the government – making Roberston less marginal as far as the Government is concerned and as far as the opposition. You should never support the Government no matter what colour it is.

    The only sensible course is to campaign against any and all governments and then at the point of critical mass you accept their offer, or waggle a better offer from the other lot – a slow auction that is the run-up to an election.. In other words, the trick – if you have actually found one – is to keep the electorate as marginal as possible, not to try and turn it into a safer Government seat.

    Practical politics Edward – not theory.

    See I reckon that now that all you’ve really been concerned about – the Rehab Unit has been settled – you are settling old scores and not thinking… you just want to punish the old naysayers for not listening. That is not a strategy – that is just being cranky or rather, crankish, to be more precise.

  62. Edward James

    My people and I know what we achieved after the Woy Woy rehab an important medical amenity was stolen from us by the State Labor government! We may have had to hire buses and get right in the faces of our elected representatives by paying to run our own stories and photos in local papers exposing the misgovernance to local voters. It took close to four years for a determined group The Woy Woy Public Hospital Alliance to turn things around. There are links to the story on Crikey strings. We know what we participated in went against the political tide at both State and Federal levels of government. What counts is when politicians are frightened of their constituents! I am not writing about political theory Peter I am writing about first hand experience! Edward James

  63. Suzanne Blake

    @ Ronson Dalby

    No carbon tax yet on fuel, until 2014. but you knew that

  64. Peter Ormonde

    In large part Edward this denial and dampening of expectations in an electorate – yes even a marginal electorate – is due to the way such funds are planned and allocated. Quite simply they wouldn’t know.

    There are Commonwealth and State Agreements governing the identification of demand and it’s prioritisation in all sorts of expenditure areas from health to housing, nursing homes to hospitals. In large part these decisions are no longer in the hands of politicians. There are statistical methods for evaluating demand and identifying needed funding.

    I say “in large part” because it is not unknown for a minister to interfere – but this is most risky being open to public scrutiny. The opposition in the marginal seat will ensure that such a decision is strictly scrutinised and dissected.

    So don’t be too confident that the old pork-barrelling of the marginal seats is an automatic ticket on the gravy train like it once was.

  65. Edward James

    @ PETER ORMONDE Posted Thursday, 5 July 2012 at 8:29 pm | Permalink I posted that because my first response to GOCOMSYS Posted Thursday at 8.16 is moderated. I can not understand why people stick with dud politicians or parties for that matter! I have my own experience to guide me. Edward James

  66. Ronson Dalby

    I really hate this carbon tax and how much it’s hurting my wallet. I can’t believe I had to pay $1.16/l for regular unleaded today.

    Why before the carbon tax I was paying around a $1.60/l.

    It’s just not fair.

  67. Edward James

    Not everyone is rusted on to a particular party. In my own LGA area I have witnessed what rewards come to those who reject dud politicians and make their area an unsafe seat! The $24 million from the Federal and State Government being spent to double the number of beds in a new rehab ward at Woy Woy Public Hospital is nothing to be sneered at. It is interesting because for two years every politician who turned up at our meetings told us we were silly for thinking we could have the rehab returned. Edward James

  68. klewso

    “Cane toads for cane beetles”?

  69. Hamis Hill

    “Abbott is not the ideal PM”, SB. Bring back Malcolm, a real Liberal.
    Watch Clive Palmer rid his party of this meddlesome ——. The crack widens
    To paraphrase Edward I “The party will do a good job when they rid themselves of this turd”.

  70. AR

    PO – let’s have a phantasy passenger list for when the tumbrils start arriving as she purls.

  71. fractious

    Edward James

    I see the Liberal National Coalition as the best tool to sweep as many dead wood Labor politicians out of our Federal Parliament and local councils as possible!

    Last time I looked the Fiberal/ Parochial Noalition was full of tools.

  72. Peter Ormonde

    Edward – that makes about as much sense as using rats to clean out a plague of mice.

  73. Edward James

    @ GOCOMSYS Right now with Labor crumbling because of its shrinking membership and the inbred politics. I see the Liberal National Coalition as the best tool to sweep as many dead wood Labor politicians out of our Federal Parliament and local councils as possible! Edward James

  74. Edward James

    GOCOMSYS Posted Thursday, 5 July 2012 at 4:44 pm | Permalink What I wrote, reproduced below, is self explanatory what you selected from it makes no sense. Labor have been on the nose for years now, after the next Federal election people will no doubt start complaining about the Liberal National Coalition that is the way it has been for decades. Why would thinking taxpayers continue to wander from one to the other of the two parties not much preferred who take turns pissing on our backs and telling us it is raining? There has been lots of change but not much effective change that I can see. How do you make the leap from what I wrote to writing
    “Great idea. We do not need a parliament and democracy is useless. ” I certainly did not write that. Would you explain why you needed to distort what I wrote?
    I want honest representative government I do not see that happening until we start sacking dead wood politicians, putting them in the street where they can earn a living, instead of putting then on the opposition benches. There are some 150 seats in our Federal Parliament. There is no law which says the only politicians who may control the “democratic process” are either Labor or Liberal National Coalition. Labor need to be dismantled so they have time to learn the people rule in a democracy, we give the mandate and most of us are sick of being lied too. Edward James

    If we want respect from our elected representatives. More voters should consider finishing the job by voting Labor party members and their supporters right out of the Parliament and into the street, rather than let them wander over to the opposition benches for a taxpayer funded rest. It has always been up to voters to do to Labor what it refused to do for itself. It is long over due to get rid of the garbage politicians and influence peddlers from government! I do not believe voters have done enough damage to the Labor Party yet! Edward James

  75. Peter Ormonde

    Sho ’nuff Missa Klewso… thet’d be ‘im and ‘is loyal sidekick pardner Sophie Defarge.
    Jethro’s ‘ead’s not so much a grain sieve no moh as a barbed wire fence… but some stuff goes on and gits stucked on dem ‘ooks … mostly wool and cows’ hair.

    Mebee Mrs Defarge could knit somefink up outta it.

  76. Cuppa

    Why do the Liberals need to bother with policies and all that stuff, anyway? They’ve got “down to earth” Tony to do stunts.

    VIDEO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntRkE8s6rj4&sns=tw

  77. klewso

    Owen, Peter, you talkin’ bout “Cousin Jethro”, with a memory like a grain seive – the things he remembers and the things that fall through the holes?

  78. klewso

    Polly, what a cracker “Non-core Promises – by Numbers”?

    [I’m forever blowing bubbles……..]

  79. Peter Ormonde

    Geo – he’s some foreign radical agitator – so it’s obviously a stunt, innit? That’s what they do – stunts. All of ’em… this rent-a-crowd.

    They can make up the first legion of Tony’s Green Army … that would sort them out quick smart what?

    I reckon some costings of some of these “policies” would be useful. I am seeing a hole the size of the Kimberly opening up under Joe Hockey’s ample feet.

  80. Owen Gary

    Sorry I forgot ole Barna’s, Poor old farmers got screwed in this coalition deal, surely their not still puting their faith in the Nationals. Look how Mark Vaile sold out not just the farmers but Australia in this free trade deal with the US which seen them keep their tarriffs & we lost ours yeeehaah…

  81. geomac62

    Simon Sheik performed these stunts ? I don,t know what your referring to but assume you do . So again I ask did Simon physically perform these stunts , presuming they actually occurred ? The whole liberal party isn,t associated with Hockey in a tutu or Downer in fishnets . Association isn,t the same as physically doing something . I was raised a catholic but am not associated what priests do .

  82. Peter Ormonde

    I’d be putting Sophie in health myself… or something community servicey … you know do-gooder, bleeeding heart stuff.

    Barnaby’s hard to place though. Maybe Defence – or Foreign Affairs… something really important and befitting of his talents.

    Lord save us!

  83. Owen Gary

    Usual Lieberal stuff:-

    *Attack workers through destroying IR and unions.
    *Slash public services & servants.
    *Big tax breaks for the top tier of society & big business.
    *Expand profit base for corporations through more self regulation.
    *Sell off more public utilities & declare they are in surplus.

    *There’s lots more to add but that will suffice for starters.

    The only thing that gets these obscene excuses for people elected is their masters media, propagating continuous propaganda & forming more parties that betray the population at large (i.e.) The Nationals, Family 1st aka (Families Last).

    If more people were really tuned in the Noalition would never be able to even contest government purely on their Conservative ideology, read the likes of Cecil Rhodes as I believe Abbott is a so called Rhodes Scholar, this speaks volumes.

    then you have the likes of:-

    Hockey, Mirabella, Abetz, Brough, Bishop, Brandis & the rest of the “whores to the cause”

    Seriously people need to wake up!!

  84. colin skene

    SB tis he greatest example of why I hate..yes HATE…Abbott and his bunch of morons. She’s obviously looking for a front bench spot. Her logic and intelligence will fit in perfectly with Barnaby, Joe and Sophie. God, help us!!!!!

  85. Suzanne Blake

    @geomac62

    Sheik stunts

    – Chicken – sky falling in

    – All the rat pack that follow LNP during elections

  86. Liz45

    @SB – Your comment re Craig Emmerson was a corker? Who, only last week did a double somersault with pike? and then went into a trailer load of foam ‘balls’? Truly! What a stunt that was! He does about one a day – trying to look as though he’s been or is a worker????

    All I can advise Craig is – don’t give up your day job! Singer you aint! I don’t think he intended to be – it was a bit of fun! Lighten up! It gave me a laugh, and made the point. Why here we are, 5 days later, and the sky hasn’t fallen in!

    As for Mirabella – Funny how Greg showed more concern for Simon from three people away, mid sentence, and then continued to show concern. His ‘oh dear’ (about three times) showed his concern re Simon’s distress. I was concerned for him too. I wondered whether he’d had a seizure or even a stroke – it happens sometimes with young people! (an unknown brain issue – tumour etc).

    Says a lot about you too! And none of it good! What a heartless, cold and revolting person you are. No wonder you support almost lethal ‘solutions’ to the asylum seeker issue – Howard’s ‘Pacific Solution’ had a sinister component – too much like the horrific ‘Final Solution’ of 60 odd years ago!

    I wonder how much time Tony takes at his weekly confessional? I reckon both he and Pell would have to book in a whole afternoon? Too many lies and awful ‘thoughts’ and ‘deeds’? Their ‘penance’ should keep them on their knees for the next week? ???lol

  87. Matt Hardin

    Your comment is awaiting moderation….

    I presume that having been released through Crikey, the MSM will have all read this. I look forward to their ana l ysis over the coming weeks as well…..

  88. geomac62

    I can,t think of any media stunt by S. Sheik but can think of many interviews where he was articulate and knew the subject under discussion . To be fair name two a stunts that Simon has done to qualify your statement : With the amount of stunts lefty Simon Sheik pulls, she may have throught he was pulling another.

  89. s adam

    Well they were hell bent on killing the NBN, but now they realise that it does have a lot of support, so they are trying to down grade it.

    I note that they speak of the cost, but dont mention that much of that funding is from renting out network capacity to those who would use it – most is not from the tax payers pocket.

    http://www.nbnco.com.au/faq.html

    “What is NBN Co’s source of funding?
    The NBN is being funded initially by equity funding from the Commonwealth. As outlined in the Corporate Plan, the projected Government equity requirement for the project is $27.5 billion. It is intended that the remaining funds needed to build the network and fund the company will come from NBN Co’s own revenues and, at an appropriate time, the private debt markets.”

    They call it a government monopoly, but I would call it publically owned. Telstra (telecom) was better when it was publically owned, and the copper network deteriorated significantly after it was sold off to private interests by Howard.

    They complain about the lack of a cost benifit study, but such a study now would look negative. Its clear that the bandwidth available will have its uses now, but the infrastructure will exist for a very long time, and as bandwidth is available it will be used for future applications that have not been invented yet that a cost/benifit study can not currently justify. But we must have it. The bandwidth of networks across the whole world is increaseing at great speed, as an Australian I dont want to be left behind and end up with the half assed network that the Liberals want to downgrade it too! If the entire network is not upgraded, the network as a whole will not be able to provide the customer base to support large investment in to projects which would require it (and could be sold off shore).

    So long as the Liberals want to significantly downgrade or destroy the NBN I can not vote for them or for anyone else who will preference them.

  90. fractious

    @ Jimmy

    “1. We have a comprehensive and costed pol icy to reduce carbon emissions that will not add costs to famil ies or Australian businesses.”

    “2. We will have a 15,000-strong green army to tackle real environmental issues at the local level.”

    “3. The Coal ition will del iver a one-stop-shop environmental approvals process that sets high standards, makes swift decisions and del ivers certain outcomes.”

    “4. The Coal ition has introduced a Private Member’s Bill into Parl iament that requires the Gillard Government to commit to the remaining funding allocated for the Solar Scheme ($64.5 million in 2011-12).”

    So, leaving aside carbon emissions and a Private Member’s Bill they are yet to formulate or put up, and whose legitimacy is at best suspect, their entire environmental policy “platform” revolves around a “green army” (details of which and members of which it doesn’t provide) and a “one-stop shop” for environmental approvals.

    Given we already have the Green Corps (mind you they’ve only been around for 20 years so Tiny and Sloppy Joe prolly haven’t noticed) and they number at least 20,000 at any time, that means the Noalition’s entire environment platform is promising to set up a fast-track process for approving projects which will substantially affect environmental assets (MNES or Matters of National Environmental Significance).

    On the positive side, at least environment is one portfolio they decided to not embarrass themselves any further on.

  91. Peter Ormonde

    From what I can see here there is a huge commitment to setting up little committees to look at things…

    But I do like the idea of Tony Abbott going and living in an Aboriginal community for a week each year. Would that it were more.

    Redfern, Fitzroy, Musgrave Park… nah it’d be some picture card place out west – lots of photo ops and opportunities for showing concern. I hope he takes Sophie Mirabella with him – she does concern and compassion so well.

    Gimmick as policy. An empty box.

  92. geomac62

    SB
    Name one stunt or more to the point numerous stunts involving singing , dancing , memory loss , tutu wearing or anything that might be considered unusual ?

  93. Jimmy

    Geomac – I think it’s shrek ears Hockey.

    SB – “With the amount of stunts lefty Simon Sheik pulls, she may have throught he was pulling another.” Combet could tell he wasn’t OK from across the desk but Mirrabella couldn’t tell from sitting right beside him? And Sheik was hardly going to “pull a stunt” in that forum and when his “lefty” mate Combet was speaking.

    It was just another example of her being a hard hard woman.

  94. Suzanne Blake

    @ geomac62

    With the amount of stunts lefty Simon Sheik pulls, she may have throught he was pulling another.

  95. geomac62

    Jimmy
    Lets not forget cardboard cutout specialist Hockey or should that be tutu Hockey ? What about Pyne and his failing memory regarding Ashby or kerosene Bishop . Plagiarist Bishop , the younger one with the cats claws action and evil eye show . Truss , the invisible man or Dutton the magic mumbling man who struggles to remember what seat he is in . Last but not least Mirabella of sister of mercy fame , shuns sick males unless rich and enfeebled but good with wills .

  96. Jimmy

    SB – “Abbott is not the ideal PM, but his crew CANNOT be worse that dishonest Gillards and that stupid singing fool Emerson” Based on what? What policies do you like of Abbott’s, whatactions have they takenin opposition that demonstrates they are fit to govern? Why is a singing Emerson worse than a rambling Joyce?

  97. Suzanne Blake

    @Gocomsys

    More voters should consider finishing the job by voting Labor party members and their > supporters right out of the Parliament and into the street.
    Great idea. We do not need a parliament and democracy is useless.
    But you are not seriously suggesting that are you? You rather vote in Abbott and his motley bunch instead? Is that what you are contemplating? Please explain?

    Abbott is not the ideal PM, but his crew CANNOT be worse that dishonest Gillards and that stupid singing fool Emerson

  98. Sharkie

    Robert Merkel,
    Those greens are obviously dangerous radicals.
    I even think the greens believe those crazy ideas of freedom and due process should be applied to Musl*ms too.

  99. Gocomsys

    Edward
    > More voters should consider finishing the job by voting Labor party members and their
    > supporters right out of the Parliament and into the street.
    Great idea. We do not need a parliament and democracy is useless.
    But you are not seriously suggesting that are you? You rather vote in Abbott and his motley bunch
    instead? Is that what you are contemplating? Please explain?

  100. Robert Merkel

    From page 35, in a section devoted to pointing out (for criticism) Greens policies in the Attorney-General’s portfolio:

    The Greens moved a private members bill entitled Anti-Terrorism Reform Bill 2009 to relax terrorism laws and calls for amendments to the Criminal Code and Crimes Act. The Bill calls for greater freedom of expression and association, freedom from arbitrary detention, legal due process and privacy.

    “freedom of expression and association, freedom from arbitrary detention, legal due process and privacy” are “bad” according to the Opposition?

    We are living in strange times.

  101. Matt Hardin

    I presume that having been released through Crikey, the MSM will have all read this. I look forward to their analysis over the coming weeks as well…..

  102. shepherdmarilyn

    It’s funny how the liberals have never said a word about human rights in my memory but then the ALP record is just as atrocious.

    I think what they mean is they will lecture the neighbours into doing our dirty work for us.

  103. Col Campey

    This is yet another example of why we would be much better off with non-partisan government.

    See: colflower.blogspot.com.au

    Unfortunately the Crikey stalwarts would suffer from a reduction in the number of targets for (ridicule), sorry, satire.

  104. tinman_au

    Nice to see they have a comprehensive policy on technology…oh, wait, the only “tech” they are interested in is “communications and broadband”…

    What a pack of luddites :/

  105. Ben Cole

    Got a chuckle from the communications section – page 51
    “The market is already supplying more than adequate high-speed broadband for those who need it. Australia has much higher infrastructure priorities – repairing the damage to public education at all levels by the Howard government, updating and extending rail networks and closing the world’s most polluting brown coal power stations for starters.”
    – Kenneth Davidson, The Age, August 2, 2010

    So Liberal party policy is that we shouldn’t build the NBN and instead spend the money fixing up the wreckage in public education inflicted the last time they had the reins 🙂

  106. Edward James

    If we want respect from our elected representatives. More voters should consider finishing the job by voting Labor party members and their supporters right out of the Parliament and into the street, rather than let them wander over to the opposition benches for a taxpayer funded rest. It has always been up to voters to do to Labor what it refused to do for itself. It is long over due to get rid of the garbage politicians and influence peddlers from government! I do not believe voters have done enough damage to the Labor Party yet! Edward James

  107. Sharkie

    “I think one or two of them might have stood up for the Bolt’s freedom of speech?”
    That would be his freedom to vilify minorities with a monumental lack of basic research skills.
    So apart from backing the right of rich honkies to vilify, can anyone else think of a conservative championing human rights late

  108. Jimmy

    Thorn – And all that is before you get to the fact that it isn’t even a Carbon Tax, it is an ETS with a fixed price period.

  109. Recalcitrant.Rick

    GEOMAC62 Whenever I hear “Never forget Australia” in reference to the Villers action I tear up with pride! Thanks for reminding me. 🙂

  110. geomac62

    The idea of a bombing of Darwin day ? Is there anything more crass than that . Gallipoli was a long stretch for a military failure to glorify but a brilliant PR job and now part of the culture . Villiers for some reason beyond my ken lags behind yet was an area of action that we can be proudly look back on . Maybe we should make an award such as the silver pen star for Bradman for his work during the war living in the USA . Keith Miller comes to mind when thinking about war and medals but Darwin and Bradman will do for the libs . As long as we get to wave our flag . You know the flag officially designated in 1953 , the blue ensign .

  111. Holden Back

    The Arts ‘policies’ are basically a description of the Howard-era policies, with a bit of bagging of the artists’ resale royalties scheme and the de-funding of ANAM, and a statement of their ‘commitment’ to ‘Australian culture’.

    The Howard era policies were basically business as usual with a little more commitment to the major organisations. Most of their claims of increasing funding in the 2007-8 year amount to catch up, and true to form, the figures are cooked up via a four-year model. Example: $4.8m to NIDA over four years starting 2007-8.

  112. Thorn

    I really get sick of this Labor lies business continually trotted out by simple minded people like Suzanne Blake. Their inability to understand even in the most basic terms the way that the Election process works in Australia is most lamentable.

    I hope this helps them:

    During the Election process Politicians make a series of promises based upon their Party’s policies, and if they win the Election they may or may not implement those promises depending on how they feel once they get in office, usually based on what they say the actual economic situation of the country is. The breaking of promises is then mostly blamed on the previous Government.

    The exception to this basic rule is John Howard who broke promises even when he won the elections. He broke so many promises that he had to invent the concept of “core and non-core” promises. Every promise he broke fitted into the non-core catagory, of course.

    When Gillard made the commitment regarding a Carbon Tax she did so believing that Labor would win the Election and that she would be able to honour that commitment, even though Labor was intent on bringing in a Carbon Polution Reduction Scheme in the future.

    Labor did not win that election, and in the negotiations that enabled Gillard to form a Minority Government the prospect of a Carbon Tax was one of the areas that the other parties to the Minority Government wanted to see become reality.

    So to say she lied, as if this was something unusual or singularly terrible is to ignore the common practice of every incoming Government, and especially ignore that of John Howard’s Governments, and to not understand that once Labor lost that election all bets were off.

    I know that this seemingly simple concept is sadly beyond the ability of some people to grasp, but never the less that is the way politics works in Australia.

    If by some incredible misfortune the people of this country do not come to their senses before the end of next year you just watch how many non-core promises Abbott manages to pull out of his hat!

  113. Maccas

    The Libs skite about a surplus, they kept all the GST for the first two years they would want to have a bit tucked away and let’s not for-get all the things they cut out. Money to the states for public housing( now we have a shortage) apprentiships were stopped( shortage of skilled workers)Dentistry, hospitals, I could go on.They stashed the money away while our hospitals, roads, teeth slowly crumbled.Paul Keating was all for the future and put things in place for exactly that, and THAT my friends is what the Libs coasted on for their first six years, the economy was growing and things were picking up and because they didn’t like Paul Labor was voted out and we suffered and got the GST .SB if you want a liar you have one with Tony, big ears Abbott, he wasn’t going to touch Health,and it was the first thing he did,lie or what Suzanne?Maccas`

  114. Sean O Finn

    Another example of Coalition spin for any validity it should at least compare like periods. Some compare 10 year period against 2 year period others show end of month and none seem to match anything I have seen on the OECD site for the same period. We still had debt equivalent to 7% of GDP when they left office so were did all these so called surpluses go plus of course the funds ripped off from those who bought Telstra at the over inflated price of $7 or something? Another Coalition scam.

  115. sanders josh

    I see British Columbia has just increased it’s carbon tax from $25 to $30 per ton.
    It’s been so successful that the New York Times is advocating that America adopt the same model.
    Over to you Tony……

  116. mattsui

    I think one or two of them might have stood up for the BoltA’s freedom of speech?

  117. Sharkie

    “8. Provide a principled voice on human rights
    The Coalition will pursue a principled and robust approach to human rights abuses, particularly in our region. A Coalition Government will work with countries in our region to establish more Ministerial level Human Rights Dialogue where issues of human rights can be discussed in an open and frank forum.”

    And can anyone remember even one occasion (other than their cynical faux concern for “illegals” getting sent to Malaysia) where the conservatives have said anything about human rights in the last 5 years?

  118. mattsui

    Well kids, there’ll be no cherries this christmas…… The Liberal Party of Australia done went an’ picked ’em all already.

  119. Cuppa

    The Liberals – Kings of Spin!

  120. Jimmy

    Sharkie & Little Maths – Maybe “Bombing of Darwin Day” would be a public holiday meaning an boat people arriving on that day would find the place closed and have to go home?

  121. Sharkie

    “Bombing of Darwin Day”. That’s sure to stop those ‘illegals” ‘invading” Australia by showing up unarmed and calling our defence forces to let them where and when the boats will be arriving.
    And as for reducing carbon emissions without costing business or the australian public any money, that is a beauty. Who’s going to pay for it, the citizens of another country, the fairies at the bottom of the garden, or will the funding come from Abbott’s economic magic pudding?

  122. linda

    I think people should show a little compassion towards SB, she’s obviously logically challenged

  123. Jimmy

    I do like their environment pol icy –
    “1. We have a comprehensive and costed pol icy to reduce carbon emissions that will not add costs to famil ies or Australian businesses.” No just to the taxpayer – hang on aren’t they famil ies and businesses? And it might be “comprehensive and costed” but doesn’t work and requires trees to be planted over an area the size of tasmania and victoria combined.
    “2. We will have a 15,000-strong green army to tackle real environmental issues at the local level.” – So this army will tackle “real environmental issues” like pulling weeds and rubbish out of national parks as opposed to “fake environmental issues” like global warming! Is it a volunteer army or conscripts?
    “3. The Coal ition will del iver a one-stop-shop environmental approvals process that sets high standards, makes swift decisions and del ivers certain outcomes.” Yep it makes things a lot quicker if you just rubber stamp the developers requests.
    “4. The Coal ition has introduced a Private Member’s Bill into Parl iament that requires the Gillard Government to commit to the remaining funding allocated for the Solar Scheme ($64.5 million in 2011-12).” Can a private members bill force people to go back in time to the year 2011-12? And aren’t the l ibs against the govt spending money?

  124. Jimmy

    I do like their environment pol icy –

    “1. We have a comprehensive and costed pol icy to reduce carbon emissions that will not add costs to families or Australian businesses.” No just to the taxpayer – hang on aren’t they families and businesses? And it might be “comprehensive and costed” but doesn’t work and requires trees to be planted over an area the size of tasmania and victoria combined.
    “2. We will have a 15,000-strong green army to tackle real environmental issues at the local level.” – So this army will tackle “real environmental issues” like pulling weeds and rubbish out of national parks as opposed to “fake environmental issues” like global warming! Is it a volunteer army or conscripts?
    “3. The Coal ition will del iver a one-stop-shop environmental approvals process that sets high standards, makes swift decisions and del ivers certain outcomes.” Yep it makes things a lot quicker if you just rubber stamp the developers requests.
    “4. The Coal ition has introduced a Private Member’s Bill into Parl iament that requires the Gillard Government to commit to the remaining funding allocated for the Solar Scheme ($64.5 million in 2011-12).” Can a private members bill force people to go back in time to the year 2011-12? And aren’t the l ibs against the govt spending money?

  125. Jimmy

    I do like their environment policy –

    “1. We have a comprehensive and costed policy to reduce carbon emissions that will not add costs to families or Australian businesses.” No just to the taxpayer – hang on aren’t they families and businesses?
    “2. We will have a 15,000-strong green army to tackle real environmental issues at the local level.” – So this army will tackle “real environmental issues” like pulling weeds and rubbish out of national parks as opposed to “fake environmental issues” like global warming! Is it a volunteer army or conscripts?
    “3. The Coalition will deliver a one-stop-shop environmental approvals process that sets high standards, makes swift decisions and delivers certain outcomes.” Yep it makes things a lot quicker if you just rubber stamp the developers requests.
    “4. The Coalition has introduced a Private Member’s Bill into Parliament that requires the Gillard Government to commit to the remaining funding allocated for the Solar Scheme ($64.5 million in 2011-12).” Can a private members bill force people to go back in time to the year 2011-12? And aren’t the libs against the govt spending money?

  126. Jamil Khan

    The apostrophe is incorrect. It should be “Speakers’ Notes”. Plural possessive 🙂

  127. Tyler T

    how many times does the phrase ‘as soon as possible’ appear? I can’t be bothered counting

  128. MJPC

    Lie’s, Damn Lie’s and useless statistics.

    They missed one set of figures to talk about…Workchoices which beget the second time a serving PM lost their seat!

    Bring on the next election, Mr Abbott will need to pull more out of his hat than statistics.

  129. Musrum

    The biggest lie in Australian Politics at the moment is the Carbon Tax.

    The Coalition and their media fluffers continue to perpetuate this lie.

    If you are looking for honesty SB, you will be disappointed with Abbott.

  130. Jimmy

    SB – Yep and because you didn’t bother to think what you were voting for you can complain about the new govt and vote them out.

    After all you wouldn’t wnat to think would you.

  131. Gocomsys

    It is like comparing apples with oranges, making sure the Howard “fruit salad” isn’t mentioned.
    There are li es, more li es and then there are selective “juicy” statistics. Must admit a great con job!

  132. Bill Hilliger

    @SB you have been conned and marginalised by the coalition information release, the figures and stats were actually much-much better than stated. The coalition deliberately downplayed the information for modesty reasons.

  133. Cuppa

    Funny they never seem to want to talk about their economic record under Treasurer Howard.

    Good thing Crikey distributed those details as well:

    http://www.crikey.com.au/Politics/20070627-Why-John-Howard-never-made-the-cover-of-Euromoney.html

  134. Holden Back

    Except, of course, SB your dishonest oxygen thieves of choice.

  135. Suzanne Blake

    @ Jimmy

    Yes Jimmy, we are run by clowns, look at that fool Emerson.

    Votes them out, NOTHING could be worse that this pack of dishonest oxygen thieves.

  136. Jimmy

    That;s the way SB, don’t worry about what you are voting for just vote them out.

  137. Suzanne Blake

    They could circulate a blank sheet of paper amd still beat the Australian Lia rs Party

  138. littlemaths

    The move to ‘have the 19th of February declared as a Day of National Significance, to be
    known as “Bombing of Darwin Day”’ is part of the “Plan for Strong Borders”? I’m not sure I want to think too much about why that is.

  139. Jimmy

    “Is there anything new here?” I would seriously doubt it!

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