Jun 27, 2012

Free speech gets a workout at Christian marriage clash

It was an ugly scene more reminiscent of the 1957 Little Rock Nine than a movement on the right side of history. Crikey goes to church to hear the anti-gay marriage sermon.

It was an ugly scene more reminiscent of the 1957 Little Rock Nine than a movement on the right side of history. A mother shielded her young daughter through a jeering picket line that pointed and shouted “Shame! Bigot!”

Uniformed police kept a low profile but stayed until all visitors to Melbourne’s CrossCulture Church of Christ were inside. Just one man reacted to the taunts. “You don’t know where I’ve come from!” he shot back visibly upset and walked away to cool off before slipping inside.

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19 thoughts on “Free speech gets a workout at Christian marriage clash

  1. Bill Hilliger

    Jesus had 12 male deciples, he spent most of his time with them. I wonder what Jesus would say in respect to current christian homophobic attitudes. Indeed Jesus might have been hmmm?

  2. secondsoprano

    Oh give me a break. These people are restricting OUR civil liberties, demeaning OUR human dignity, interfering with OUR families … and yet they reframe the debate to make it look like we are the problem, interfering with their freedom of speech, restricting their freedom of religion.

    Well I’ve had enough. They are entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to make up their own “facts”. This is not a difference of opinion. They are simply wrong.

    Being gay is not abnormal (other than statistically). It is not wrong. It is not evil. It is not disordered. It is not sinful. It is not sick. It is not the result of paternal indifference or child abuse or maternal suffering or any other BS “cause”. It is not frowned upon by your invisible friend. It will not cause you to go to hell. It is in no way comparable to ality, polyg.amy, inc.est, child or p.edoph.ilia. It is a perfectly normal, natural, non-threatening and entirely unexceptional variant of human se.xuality.

    To say otherwise is simply 100%, unequivocably, FALSE.

    Enough of this [email protected]

    There. Is. Nothing. Wrong. With. Being. Gay.

  3. puddleduck

    I think where this will end up is that same-sex couples are permitted to marry, but that Christian (and Jewish and Islamic) religious institutions will not be legally compelled to sanction or perform marriage ceremonies for such couples. Some ministers and congregations in some Christian churches will choose to do so (with the resulting split in denominations that this has already led to, for example in the Lutheran and Episcopalian denominations in the States).

    To legislate otherwise would be to compel people of faith to breach a fundamental tenet of their religious practice and belief, denying them their freedom of religion. But it seems Eqqual Love and other groups don’t want to extend the freedom they want/enjoy to others.

  4. Jack Phat

    Being GAY is so too abnormal.

  5. secondsoprano

    Yes. So is being male (99.2 males per 100 females).

    And of course there’s nothing with that either.

  6. Moloch

    It’s rather like the fun folk at the Sally Army calling ME a bigot because I was a bit miffed at one of their senior pastors saying we should all be put to death – and dared to tell them so on their Facebook page…

    Now, I’m not telling them that they can’t kneel down before their fantasy daddy in worship!
    It wasn’t me that said christians deserve to die!

    I just called them out as bigots, just as I would if they said that Jews or Aboriginal people deserved to die…

    But they do seem to reflexively assume the position of innocent victimhood1
    Like they were still being persued by lion.
    like they haven’t been running this society for the last millennium.

    Enjoy your ‘victimhood’ good christian people – you will be challenged at every point from now on.

  7. Bill Hilliger

    @SECONDSOPRANO: quite a few people suspect Jesus was probably g*y. Seeing no one in the last 1975 years has actually met with, or seen Jesus, it might just be true. Google is Jesus g*y?

  8. TheFamousEccles

    Enough of this bollocks. The ACL (as well as all other religious organisations) should have any tax-exempt status they may enjoy revoked, forthwith. The obsession with homos-xuality to the exclusion of all other issues seems to me similar to the commie witch-hunts from the middle of last century. They are totally misreading the view of the public in general, and to put it bluntly I couldn’t give any number of rats arses for their opinion – though I begrudgingly admit they are entitled to one.

    There’s enough hate in this world, do we have to make the choice of whom someone chooses to love another battle?

  9. secondsoprano

    @Puddleduck: Nice strawman you’ve constructed there. The only people talking about churches being required to marry gay people are the hysteria mongers on the anti-equality side. No-one on the marriage equality side is suggesting forcing churches to do anything. (Just like no-one is calling for catholic churches to be forced to marry divorcees, or muslims to be forced to marry hindus, or hillsong to be forced to marry atheists. Once this insanity is over and marriage equality achieved, churches will be free – as they are now – to impose whatever restrictions they like.)

    The main reason for this is probably because churches are largely irrelevant to the whole issue. Marriage is a secular legal contract, and the religious ceremony an optional extra, with no legal status, which the majority of people nowadays choose to do without.

  10. Zapo

    I don’t see the big deal. The reasons the ACL and other anti-equality organisations or people tout for not allowing same-sex marriage are all based on fear, or are NOTHING to do with the argument.

    Same-Sex marriage allows exactly that, couples of the same sex to get married.

    It doesn’t allow for polygamy, it doesn’t have anything to do with children, it shouldn’t have any impact to anyone other than those who are homosexual who want to get married!!

    If you believe it honestly devalues your heterosexual marriage, then you clearly find homosexuality reprehensible and that’s another issue in itself which you need to deal with yourself – it shouldn’t stop same-sex marriage!

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