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Mar 22, 2012

Gillard's $215m 'strategic

It’s not a hand out, Julia Gillard said today about her, well, handout -- and those of the Baillieu and Weatherill governments -- to US multinational General Motors to keep making cars here until 2022.


It’s not a hand out, Julia Gillard said today about her, well, handout — and those of the Baillieu and Weatherill governments — to US multinational General Motors to keep making cars here until 2022.

“A strategic investment” was the Prime Minister’s phrase for the $215 million package to support 55,500 jobs in the car industry and “around 200,000 additional jobs nationally” (those magic employment multipliers again).

Among those jobs will be several new ones. There’ll be an “Automotive Envoy” “to strengthen links with the global automotive market”. Let’s call him or her the ambassador for Detroit. There’ll also be an “Automotive Supplier Advocate to help identify new products and customers in automotive and non-automotive industries.” GM will also be establishing a “Suppliers’ Working Group to connect Australian suppliers to GM’s world-wide supply chains.” The golden opportunity to appoint a US-style “car Tsar” has, sadly, been missed.

There’s only so much terms like “co-investment” and  “developing new business opportunities” can hide before it becomes apparent that this is merely a $200 million plus bid by Australia in the international market established by multinational automotive manufacturers to determine where they can get the most handouts for establishing car plants.

There are few other industries like it, with the capacity to hypnotise politicians the world over, making them suspend their scepticism and start writing out cheques. The closest comparison is “major events”, in which sordid institutions like the IOC, FIFA and Formula 1 demand, and get, massive subsidies and legal protection from governments for the right to stage ludicrously costly events.

Although, seen from that point of view, the deal isn’t too bad: remember we blew $46 million just trying to bid for the soccer World Cup, and compare the $50m Victoria wastes every year on that noted supporter of gross human rights violators, Formula 1, for some momentary coverage and a minimal boost to tourism. The $200 million that might — time will tell — keep perhaps ten thousand workers in jobs for another decade suddenly doesn’t look so bad.

The only smart aspect of the package was a further $16m for training and support services for workers leaving the automotive industry. Its one flaw is that is should have been ten times that, to help exit a substantial chunk of the workforce.

That Gillard proudly stood next to the same vehicle as Ben Chifley did in 1948 speaks volumes: our industry policy hasn’t moved on in more than 60 years. At the ceremony not long before the “Holden 1” rolled off the production line, Chifley spoke about of exporting vehicles “beyond our borders to other people in the Pacific and South East Asia” and lauding it as an example of the Australian-American relationship.

Today there was no pro-American rhetoric, but the Prime Minister was still talking about accessing Asian markets.

Detroit would be only too happy to be here in 2076 with another PM talking of co-investments to enable Australian manufacturing to enjoy the benefits of “the Asian century”. And if they’re not, they’ll be in some other country lucky enough to have “won” the global auction that is car manufacturing.


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118 thoughts on “Gillard’s $215m ‘strategic

  1. Ralph Becker

    Strategic it may be, but for whom and why is clear… *sigh*

    Of course it’s strategic to invest $200,000,000 to cement our status on the world markets as ‘also rans’ and save jobs of card carrying members while quite happily letting other jobs go down the drain. Oops.

    Especially since there are no alternative industries that we could strategically invest $200M in – areas in which we have the natural resources and competence to be amongst the world leaders.

    Alas, that would require our card carrying members to do as the majority of us do – adapt and learn.


  2. Edward James

    We are long over due to have our own fair dinkum Australian motor vehicle manufacturing industry. We have the resources and the skills. Why are we beholden to Germany Europe and USA. Platform cars have been around for decades! We are being taken for mugs and our elected reps are part of the on going problem! We are spending millions of dollars paying our politicians to act in our best interest and yet we are going broke. While inviting imports of stuff which will damage our own natural resources. Edward James

  3. Damien

    If it costs $20 mil per year to make cars in Australia – so what? It may be a rort but what’s the alternative? What will we ever be able to manufacture in this country if the market has its way without intervention? We’re already consumers of almost everything that uses fuel and lifts or carries any item. I think we need to be able to do more than service cars or fix them after prangs.

  4. Holden Back

    So, I assume you can write the story to go under the headline for the alternative outcome:


    Yeah, right.

  5. Edward James

    @ Damien, It seems we have been led into believing we need to import everything on offer from the rest of the world. Well no we dont Damien! We once had two east coast steel mills Wollongong and Newcastle where we made world class steel. Australia has resourses inn raw materials and energy, more than enough to serve us as a nation independantly of the rest of the world. We also have natural produce growing all over the place, most of which is not yet contaminated with oversears blights and desiese. All we need to do is learn how to defend ourselves! Our dead wood elected reps are not going to help us do that! Dont you know! Edward James

  6. Tim nash

    @Damien maybe we don’t need to manufacture things here, why do we need too if we are only going to make a loss like this?

    Everybody seems to just accept that Australia ‘should’ be making stuff like that’s the rightful state of things.

    Listen to this podcast on rear vision from radio national that was on just recently:


    Australia has never made stuff very well, it’s just not our thing.

    This bailout is atrocious, it’s just delaying the inevitable.

  7. Edward James

    @ Holden Back
    Posted Thursday, 22 March 2012 at 3:28 pm | Permalink
    I believe I have already postulated an alternate for the Australian peoples. It dose not include importing cars, trucks and stuff from overseas. Bcauser I have no doubt Australians can and will given the opportunity build cars and trucks better than anything available from lessor producers worldwide! I am not sucked in by the myth Holden is an Australian ICON. I see a chopped and chaneled Dodge . That was back then in the early fifties. This is now2012. We have resourses, skills , and energy. All we need to stand alone is leadership! Edward James 0243419140

  8. John64

    The next “under threat” industry is already lining up to ask for its hand-out now.

    Those poor multi-nationals. Whatever will they do? Meanwhile I note General Motors’ International Operations made $1.9 Billion profit last year. I wonder, is that with or without hand-outs?

  9. ggm

    I have been told the reason we pumped money into the automotive industry post WW-II was to ensure there was a manufacturing capability onshore, capable of making WAR PLANES.

    Ie, the strategic justifier wasn’t the cars, or the jobs: its the risk assessment of needing to either bomb somebody, or defend against being bombed.

    Since that threat has gone away, a car making lobby has emerged which has found other reasons to keep the lips stuck on the teat of mammon.

    Personally, I’m happy for some of my tax dollars to go towards jobs in Geelong. But lets not kid ourselves there is some other overarching reason we want cars made here: lots of other economies are perfectly happy assembling cars coming in at the docks, or even just driving them off ships..


  10. eric

    A pretty smart move I would suggest.

    The government over the next 12 years will get way more than the $250.000,000 back in taxes and not having thousands more ex car workers on the dole.

    The trick for all three car makers is to try and ramp up export orders.

  11. banistersmind

    Is it sexist to call Julia Gillard a drunken sailor?

  12. Edward James

    @GGM Mate. If you are expecting Australians to be able to make “war planes” in a time when wars are fought by so called terrosist using dirty bombs. We are in trouble. If you live in Australia . Why would you be happy to import “stuff” which we are able to produce here in Australia ? Edward James

  13. Edward James

    I live in a country which seems intent on destroying itself ! Edward James 02434419140

  14. Tim nash

    @Edward why are you and others so hell bent on producing cars here in Australia?

    Our western salaries will never suit a profitable factory, isn’t that obvious?

    Factor also in the cost of the vast distances between capital cities in Australia and our distance to other supply chains and parts in the world.

    Also there are real problems with quality of manufactured goods in Australia, that is we just don’t make them as well as somewhere like Korea.

    These are all facts, many of them (in particular the quality issue) do not want to be dealt with by a majority of Australians.

    Removing something which is unprofitable and unproductive and Unnecessary is obvious.

    We have a booming mining, and services industry.

  15. Suzanne Blake

    More waste, the auto industry cannot survive. Its pork barrelling for Union members

    We need need winning industries like more intensive agriculture in non farmable lands, that we make farmable. We have a competitive advantage there, we don’t when we sell our farmland to offshore gougers.

  16. Suzanne Blake

    More waste, the auto industry cannot survive. Its pork barrelling for Union members

    We need need winning industries like more intensive agriculture in non farmable lands, that we make farmable. We have a competitive advantage there, we don’t when we sell our farmland to offshore interests.

  17. seriously?

    $250m to a company so that it can keep making cars that an ever diminishing number of people want to buy…..so that it can stay in business and therefore keep people employed…….employed in manufacturing jobs, which have been deemed to be more important than other types of jobs. If I set up a business and I am unable to successfully design and manufacture a product that people want to buy can I please receive a subsidy from the government to stay in business and that I too can keep people employed? I promise they will be manufacturing jobs.

  18. Fauzi Rahman

    Maybe if we’ve left the import tariffs of the past as it was, we wouldn’t have to prop up our Auto industry this way and left the Holden, Ford, and Toyota (and possibly Mitsubishi) of today to produce a bigger range of locally made cars. Jobs will be preserved too.

    Either we do it that way or left it all the way off like New Zealand did.

  19. AR

    A small historical point – anyone recall Hawkeating given some motza to Kodak in the 80s, I forget how much, possibly $200M but pissed up against the wall as that dinosaur is now defunct.
    Unusually I agree with EdJ on one point – Oz should be making a real Oz car. Not a Opel Kadett or some other fudge but a car that can be repaired with a hammer, or large rock, built on a standard chassis, featuring a big radiator or (Heaven forfend) an air coolled flat four, manual, 4WD able to run on gaz, petrol, ethanol or, like the old side valves of WWII, charcoal/wood gas.
    TimN – Oz may not MAKE things, due to myopic financiers and brain dead pollies, but it certainly innovates.
    In the late 40s/early 50s, Oz created both a fax and electronic PABX but too far ahead of the times. Black box, lasers, PhV, the cochlear ear implant, stomach ulcer cure, the list is as long as it is depressing in that, without exception these developments were eagerly taken up o/s because of the pusillanimous ruling class, Uriah Heaps everyone on them.

  20. zut alors

    What a lost opportunity that $275M wasn’t directed into research and development of a renewable energy powered vehicle instead of being frittered away on the dinosaur petrol variety.

    It’s incongruent that successive governments haven’t subsidised button-up boot manufacturers due to fear of getting offside with Big Button corporations.

    Neither of our two major parties appear to value innovation. Same old, same old…

  21. drsmithy

    Our western salaries will never suit a profitable factory, isn’t that obvious?

    The Germans would disagree.

  22. GeeWizz

    What annoys me is that once again these are open-ended government handouts from us… the little Aussie taxpayer.

    What requirements has this money got on Union reforms(aka, reducing costs to car manufacturers to be competitive with countries like Japan?)?

    What requirements has this money got on the car makers to make a product that can’t be sourced elsewhere?(I actually agree with the Greens on this one requiring electrical vehicles which are an early market and not much competition at the moment)

    What requirements has this money got that the car companies will reform themselves to become profitible the same way the Obama Administration forced GM and other bailed out companies to change their ways?

    Nope it’s the same old game… with the same old taxpayer bailout. And when the money runs out it won’t be a self sustaining industry again… oh no… it’ll be the little aussie taxpayer back out with yet another hand out.

  23. GeeWizz

    Oh yes and just another thing about the manufacturing unions…. it’s time they are asked the question:

    Do you want world class pay, holiday, super and NO jobs.

    Or are you willing to accept cuts and wage reforms and KEEP jobs here in Australia.

    Those are your two options… you can not ask for both. You either allow reforms in manufacturing industrial laws, or you give the jobs to China. These are your choices.

  24. Sascha

    This is not a partisan issue. Governments from both side invest in industry to keep it going.

    Personally I can’t wait until gillard goes the way of anna bligh but they are doing the right thing here.

    There are very few Automotive industries around the world that are not subsidised by the government.

    If this country continues to disregard its industries like manufacturing and agriculture and seeks to hobble industries like resources we, will be left with nothing.

    We can’t all sit around and shuffle paper. Besides its cheaper to get indians and pakistanis to that overseas

  25. GeeWizz

    [“There are very few Automotive industries around the world that are not subsidised by the government.”]

    Yes but the problem is no one is buying Aussie made cars because they are wanting fuel effecient cars at a cheaper price.

    A Mazda 3 which is now Australia’s largest selling vehicle is $22K driveaway and has a fuel effeciency of 8.2L/100km versus say a Falcon which costs $35K drive away and does 9.9L/100km

    There is nothing wrong with selling larger cars and there will probably always be a market there for it(getting smaller though), but the local car manufacturers have to back up their factory production with a high volume mid-sizer/small car.

    Holden once revealed a “Torana” concept a few years back(no not the 70’s Torana, i’m talking 2006ish) which looked to be an epic mid/small-size car with rear wheel drive, before other manufacturers such as BMW started using rear wheel on their smaller models. Unfortunately… as usual… oppurtunity missed on what would have been a great seller in my opinion.

    Holden and Ford should have seen the writing on the wall when fuel prices creeped over $1.20 many many moons ago but they seemed to have stuck their heads in the sand instead.

  26. GeeWizz

    Just found it… Holden Torona Concept 2004:
    www .drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=19354

    Oppurtunity missed anyone? $250 Mill could have engineered this car easily from concept to reality.

  27. Edward James

    @ Tim Nash We have a nice range of war vehicles being made here for use in someons elses way in the middle east. When we had more different brands of vehicles being manufactured here we were making components for the various assemblers. I am not convinced Australia needs to play on the world stage. We can build cars and trucks for use here, they should all run on gas because we have a glut of gas right now! Selling it to China for something silly like $2 a tonne because they will take it off our hands in bulk. Moving toward the so called world car is about leaving control with the big manufacturers who do not have Australias best interest at heart. Everything being manufactured on the world stage cost more to produce that the majority of the worlds population can afford. That disparity is numbered in the billions subsiding GM America to build Holden cars in Australia is not in our best long term interest. I pay tax and I support myself but I can’t afford to pay cash for a fifty thousand dollar car or a thirty thousand dollar car for that matter. And I would be surprised if many workers in the failing car industry can afford to pay cash either. Australia from the Federal government all the way down to people in uni getting degrees are running on borrowed money to such an extent even the interest payments are being borrowed. We are in trouble, we need to become self sufficent first! We have the skills the raw materials and the energy. Edward James

  28. drsmithy

    There is nothing wrong with selling larger cars and there will probably always be a market there for it(getting smaller though), but the local car manufacturers have to back up their factory production with a high volume mid-sizer/small car.

    Like the Cruze, you mean ?

    Holden once revealed a “Torana” concept a few years back(no not the 70’s Torana, i’m talking 2006ish) which looked to be an epic mid/small-size car with rear wheel drive, before other manufacturers such as BMW started using rear wheel on their smaller models.

    Both BMW’s 1 and 3 series have been rear-wheel drive since the day they were released. In fact, I don’t think BMW has _ever_ sold a FWD car. Similarly for Audi’s A4 and Mercedes’s C-class.

    I think the premise that any meaningful proportion of buyers would base a purchasing decision on whether a car is FWD or RWD is _very_ shaky.

  29. Schnappi

    I am all for the NBN,and and so is anyone else who is can see the value ,although it will cost billions,in keeping all those jobs for an outlay of just millions has to be a good investment,cannot bother working out how much gst comes from car sales a year or the paye tax paid by all the employees jobs that are saved,whatever it is multiply it x10 years,seems excellent value to me.

  30. the man on the clapham omnibus

    Just defers the hard decisions the car industry needs to make to produce a car to sell to the Australian public. Handouts and tin rattling to keep the old clunkers rolling off the line, rather than the move to retool the workforce and go lean and customer focused

  31. Anthony Grace

    @DR Smithy, “In fact, I don’t think BMW has _ever_ sold a FWD car”, not with a BMW Badge, but realistically the new MINI is a front Wheel drive BMW.

    @zut alors, I would love it cars could be would run on renewable energy, but they just can’t compete with cars that run on petroleum products, yet, they are still too expensive to build and their sale price reflects it. Also give cars that run on fuel a bit of a break, they are not exactly dinosaurs, they are getting cleaner and more efficient every year 🙂

    In general I think it is important that we try and preserve our manufacturing base. However the reality is both the ALP and the Coalition have reduced tariffs to the point where that is difficult. Tariff reduction has sent a lot of manufacturers out of business or off shore. Yet for some reason, the Motor Industry is special and gets assistance. Why didn’t they offer Bonds assistance to keep manufacturing clothing here or Heinz to process food?

  32. botswana bob

    I recall Swanie telling us a few weeks ago that the nefarious Kevin Rudd lacked Labor values. Looks like Labor values include a massive handout to the branch plant of an American multinational, cutting government services and sacking public servants due to Swanie’s deficit fetishism and throwing back more costs, especially in health, to the average bloke and telling blatant lies in a government report about the cost of electricity. Were I Mr Rudd, I would be glad I lacked these values.

  33. Anthony Grace

    @ the man on the clapham omnibus, “to keep the old clunkers rolling off the line”,

    Dude, I think I may have to take you for a drive in my 2010 Falcon XR6 Turbo Ute, it is about as far from and old clunker as you can get and regularly gets 500 km out of a tank around town 🙂 It’s build quality is as good as the any BMW & VW or Audi I have driven in Europe.

    You said “retool the workforce and go lean”,

    Auto manufacturing in Australia is already highly automated and as efficient as factories found in Europe or Japan.

    There will be a 4 Cylinder Falcon with direct injection at the end of the year that will h economy similar to a standard Camry.

    A Territory Diesel, this is just a guess, would most likely do 700 to 800 kilometers on a tank.

    There are Commodores with SIDI and AFM, a diesel Cruze, not mention Hybrid Camry’s.

    When will Australians wake up to the fact we are actually making very good quality and efficient cars that would have not trouble being sold in the US or Europe if their parent companies would only allow it …..

  34. johnson

    If you can’t build cars, you can’t build tanks.

    It is that bloody simple.

    In the event of a disaster every country needs the potential to be able respond quickly and stand alone. We can’t expect the world to remain peaceful and calm forever. Who is to say a major war, natural disaster or economic collapse won’t happen in the next five or ten years? Australia has to keep at least a skeleton of heavy manufacturing going so we can quickly re-tool if needed and car manufacturing covers most of the skills and equipment needed.

    So Australia subsidises car manufacturing, China subsidises mining, Japan subsidises rice farming etc etc.

    Blind adherance to free trade ideology would leave us unable to look after ourselves in the breakdown of free trade.

  35. paul walter

    I despise and reject the mean spirited rubbish that begrudges tens of thousands of fellow Australians and their families employment and a life through employment in the auto and associated industries.
    It reeks of the miserable litany of US shock jock Rush Limbaugh recently in the ‘States, calling law student Sandra Fluke a “slut” for expecting, “taxpayers to fund her sex life” through access to contraception on their version of a national health scheme, or the other verbiage from neolibs about rejecting taxation because “some else’s kids might get educated with their money”.
    I mean really, this is out of the very worst of Dickens: of Ralph Nickleby, or Malthusian Gradgrind and Bounderby, or Ebenezer Scrooge. How much do some of you want make people retch?
    For the rest, Johnson’s post sums it perfectly.

  36. Edward James

    We were building Bushmaster vehicles for use in war, and probably still do. I recall it was an Australian who invented a breaking system which runs in an oil bath for heavy haulage trucks used in the coal industry. I certainly believe Australians are more than capable of self sufficiency, but all too often dodgy politics gets in the way! Edward James

  37. Mike Flanagan

    Edward James;
    We assemble Bushmasters on another companies engineered platform. To manufacture such a vehicle does require, throughout the world, government support.

  38. Suzanne Blake

    Well said @botswana bob

  39. Suzanne Blake

    Bring back honest Tanner and dismiss dishinest Gillard

    “Lindsay Tanner slams politics of spending

    FORMER finance minister Lindsay Tanner has attacked politicians, including his own former Labor colleagues, arguing that they are ignoring the national interest and handing out infrastructure funding “irrespective of merit” for political and not economic gain.

    In comments critical of the Rudd and Gillard governments, as well as the Howard government, Mr Tanner declared the political milking of government spending had become worse over the past decade.

    He told an Infrastructure Australia forum in Melbourne yesterday that government spending was inevitably compromised by having to dole out projects around the states on the basis of political expediency rather than providing infrastructure where it would generate the biggest economic returns.

    “If you are financing national infrastructure, it’s actually pretty hard to say: ‘Well, the most nationally needed projects just happen to be in Queensland and Western Australia,’ ” he said.
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    “You are increasingly within a construct that says you have to spread the gravy around irrespective of merit, otherwise you (will) suffer politically . . . That’s been there forever but is intensifying.”

    The federal government has often ignored the recommendations of it advisory body, Infrastructure Australia, sometimes giving the green light to projects the body had warned against.

    In 2010, an Australian National Audit Office report found Labor handed $2.2 billion in taxpayer funds to eight infrastructure projects that its own adviser had questioned as economically unviable or “not ready” to proceed.

    The report said six rail, road and port infrastructure projects announced in the 2009-10 budget, as well as two rail projects funded in the 2010-11 budget, had not made Infrastructure Australia’s shortlist of priority projects.

    Mr Tanner’s comments came a day after eight Labor ministers, including cabinet members Anthony Albanese and Jenny Macklin, were reported to have awarded more than $8.2 million in grants in their own electorates without properly reporting them.

    Auditor-General Ian McPhee on Wednesday released details of 33 cases over 2 1/2 years in which ministers violated Labor’s anti-pork barrelling rules.

    Mr Tanner, who retired from his seat of Melbourne before it was won by the Greens’ Adam Bandt at the 2010 election, said politicians had to develop the courage to allocate costs, not just benefits: “Unfortunately, the principle on which our contemporary politics operates is that free lunches are the only thing . . . what it ultimately consists of is an endless process of pretending you are solving problems . . . because you don’t want to upset anybody.

    “You want to make sure every child gets a prize.”

    Mr Tanner laid some of the blame for Australia’s infrastructure deficit at the feet of a public spoilt by long-term prosperity. “Prolonged prosperity ironically has reduced public willingness to accept hard decisions by government,” he said. “There is less willingness to pay the cost of infrastructure through charges or taxes. We tend to take the view that if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.”

    He said politicians were increasingly loath to spend money without asking how it would benefit them at the ballot box. “The tendency of politicians to milk the political benefits of government spending has intensified substantially over the past decade or so. That had led more and more to sub-optimal approaches to investment in infrastructure so anything that might actually be in the long-term national interest but doesn’t produce substantial and serious short-term political benefits is always going to struggle,” he said.

    “Increasingly, the pressure is on for any substantial spend by government to deliver a big political dividend. By definition, that tilts the playing field towards consumer-based projects. Freight rail will be tricky, ports will be tricky.”

    During the height of the 2010 election campaign, Julia Gillard promised to fund the $2.1bn Epping-to-Parramatta railway line in Sydney, a project not then recommended by Infrastructure Australia and which did not rank highly on the state’s infrastructure priorities. Mr Tanner said an increasingly white-collar workforce trying to live in ever more sprawling cities was another hard-to-reconcile infrastructure issue.

    “Major cities are bumping up against the limits of supply for large monocentric cities,” he said. “As urban sprawl has spread, the nexus between residence and employment has diminished.

    “The transformation between blue collar to white collar has meant more jobs in the centre, but people need to live further and further out, which has exacerbated the transport problem, but that’s by no means the only infrastructure issue.”

    He said he favoured a pay-for-availability model, as used to deliver the Peninsula Link road south of Melbourne, rather than making the private sector bear all the risk.

    Mr Tanner said infrastructure bonds could be a good way to fund infrastructure in a way that was less sensitive to marginal seats, taking away the pressure from politicians to pork barrel.

    Developing public private partnerships was a hard sell.

    “PPPs have an image problem with the public,” he said. “Which is unfortunate because they are a useful tool.””

  40. CML

    @ PAUL WALTER – Great post, right on the money!
    The mere thought of 50,000 direct car manufacturing jobs, and around 200,000 associated jobs just being tossed on the scrapheap is obscene. And that is without taking into account the loss of potential to make vehicles of whatever variety in times of threat to Australia. In that statement, I also agree with Johnson.
    It is alright to say that those workers made redundant from the car industry can do something else, but until all you gurus have worked out the “something else”, how are the workers and their families supposed to exist? It would cost the taxpayer more to support the 250,000 families affected, than to pay the bloody subsidy (co-investment). I suppose in economic terms none of this is exemplary, but as has been pointed out, all car manufacturing countries support their industry, so why should we be any different?

  41. Suzanne Blake

    Gillard and Co have spent half a billion (500 million) on Consultants since they took office.

    More Labor waste Jimmy. Or do you have the spin on that


  42. Suzanne Blake

    The Canberra Times examined every consultancy deal published on the AusTender website in the four years since 2008 – 17,736 contracts worth $2,170,180,096.


  43. Lord Barry Bonkton

    S,B /gewizz/truffie wonder why they didn’t do a 1996- 2006-07 audit as well to compare with the dark years of the Howard govt waste ??????????????? Wonder how the Adelaide to Darwin Railway is going ? or the new super jets , navy helicopters that cannot fly over water etc etc etc Go do a audit on Howards advertising costs ? Didn’t hear you whining then ? Didn’t hear you whining about Howard’s 6 Levies ( Taxes ) and being the Largest Taxing Australian Govt EVER ?

  44. Suzanne Blake

    @ Lord Bonkers

    Was not on crickey then. As I have said, taken up NSW government on two waste / incompetence issues in the last 8 months, one I and others were successful in, the other is pending

  45. gdt

    What equity stake did the government take in GM Holden or what interest payment does it expect to receive? Oh, it’s 0% equity and 0% return. Well, it ain’t no “investment” then, let alone a “strategic co-investment”.

  46. Edward James

    When my taxes are being used to pay for something our local community want and we have fought to get, I am very pleased. TodayFriday 23 March 2012 a few hundred senior citizens were surprised to be graced with the presence of our Australian Prime Minister at the Ettalong Senior Citizens Hall. She had turned up to make several presentations before leaving to attend the funeral of Margaret Whitlam in Sydney. For me the most important presentation went to our Chairmen of the Woy Woy Public Hospital Alliance. We were reminded again the Federal Government has over 20 million in place to fund the return of our Woy Woy Public Hospital rehabiltation ward. I know first hand the value in making a safe seats unsafe! It is cheaper and more fun to do that, than take a political arguement into a law court. Edward James

  47. Alfonse

    The precedent has now been set. Taxpayers to bail out multinational corporations here in Australia to sustain what is quickly becoming a laughable labour market. Thankyou Julia. Your incompetence, smugness and lack of common sense is only overshadowed by your strings attached to the union movement. If anyone thinks Gillard has any integrity left as Prime Minister, then give yourselves a solid upper-cut. Bring on a bloody election !!

  48. Suzanne Blake

    @ Alfonse

    Well said

    Australians have tuned dishonest Gillard out. The polls will swing around, but when everyone focuses on her in 2013 at the polling booth, it will be a landslide.

    I happen to believe the ALP will go for rump protection first and dump her for someone else, probably in the silly season dead zone either before Christmas or NY.

  49. Tim nash

    How many people actually work in the Holden factory? What 1000 or 2000?

    Just fund 20 million for a relocation scheme and move these workers to areas where they are needed and for those who don’t want to move set up an intensive education plan to move them on in their career.

    Why spend 200 million that is essentially going to end up im GM’S pockets

    There are plenty of jobs in the Australian economy, just not in manufacturing.

    This idea that we should be manufactured up in case of a war is pretty loony, we import nearly all our military equipment from the US anyway.

    It’s not 1942 and if there really was a war and it included a major superpower like China then I don’t think our measly military force is going to stand up very long without support from somewhere else Making our own dodgy tank isn’t going to stop a Chinese nuclear weapon.

    I do see the sense in some agree manufactured goods domestically, I after all do work in an Australian factory producing trains for the domestic market.

    However there are already Chinese trains on the market and I can clearly see a time when my job and others will be forced to move to other sectors.

    Also in the case of Germany many of their factories are in eastern European states because of the cheaper wages.

    Cheaper wages and low education will always rule when it comes to manufacturing

  50. Edward James

    What happened to the Crikey.Com election coverage? Edward James

  51. Karen

    Couldn’t the subsidy have been given with strings attached? – like a commitment by GM to develop electric cars, rather than the fossil fuel variety – the junked green car scheme could have been resuscitated in this way.

  52. AR

    Karen – very good point! You wanna subsidy, fine but build a car of the future not dead Detroit clunkers.

  53. lilac

    The Federal & SA governments would surely be better off investing, and ensuring the money they recklessly spend each time the hand comes out, into GMH R&D to produce an internationally competitive enviromental model that gives it viability in a global market rather than continually throwing money at the obsolete dinosaur vehicle manufacturing has become in Australia.

  54. Suzanne Blake

    @ Edward James

    The result was not good for the majority of readers (95% left wingers), so no point upsetting them

  55. Edward James

    The result in Queensland was good for almost half the voters who made the effort to vote for an effective change. So much of what I have posted on Crikey.com strings remains moderated! Never the less I am so pleased to see the result in Queensland. It will be quite a few years before Labor party team players may field a Queensland Parlimentary cricket team! Politics the art of the possible. Edward James

  56. Edward James

    I will be just as delighted if the Queenslanders butcher Labor Party members and supporters during the Local council elections in April! Edward James

  57. Suzanne Blake

    @ Edward James

    Labor did not win enough seats to have ‘party status’ which means they get less staff and resources.

    The only way around that, I think, is if Newman moves legislation to grant an exemption.

    What is the chance of that happening?

  58. Karen

    @ Edward James – umm, how do you propose that Queensland go about ‘butchering’ Labor members and supporters – with machetes? And what precisely do you have in mind for Labor members standing as candidates? The mind boggles. What a nasty, vicious little comment.

  59. Edward James

    @ Suzanne Blake Anna Bligh has resigned her seat today making certain Labor do not have party status. And all the benifits that status brings with it. Meaning they will have to pay their way for a change. It may be the LNP victor grantsd whats left of Labor party status, but I hope they dont. Labor have had a long easy ride on the backs of taxpayers. The whole idea of taxpayers kicking them right out of parliament into the street is to make room for new political blood, people who have their own backbones still intact. Who will enguage with their constituents and exercise their influence in the best interest of those constituents. Keep in mind LNP went out of their way to cut the heads off potential leaders of the Labor opporsition.
    @ Karen, of course I am writing metaphorically. I consider the ballot box to be like a “butchers block” where people who exercise their votes by numbering below the line. Can work to do more than simply vote a politician out of power they can work to dismantal a political party like Labor which is dysfunctional Local, State and Federal. We must do what Labor and is supporters have refused to do for themselves tear it apart get rid of the dead wood politicians. Thank god we dont have to listen to the pundits and comentariate tell us Labor has been sent a warning. Even the political inbread Labor Party politicians will understand Australian taxpayers and ratepayers have had a gut full of being lied to and disrespected by people whom we have given our votes to in trust. I hope the same thing happens in April. For too long the two parties not much prefered have been issing on our backs and telling us it is raining! Edward James

  60. Edward James

    @ Karen I propose Queensland voters use the ballot box like a butchers block to dismantal dysfunctional political parties. Untill yesterday when Labor was destroyed Queensland was subject to the political whimsy of the two parties not much preferred. Voters have taken the first step in dismantling a system which has taken turns to not served them well for over forty years. Edward James

  61. Edward James

    @ Suzanne Blake. Bligh resigned LNP went to great lengths to cut the heads off any potential Labor opporsition leaders. I hope Campbell Newman just gives them the time of day. Edward James

  62. Karen

    @ Edward James – well you should have said that clearly, rather than direct your comments to ALP members and supporters. You reminded me of a n*z* clicking his tongue to incite a pogrom.

    And turning to the election, how do you see Queensland voters best served with a wipeout majority of some 78 LNP members sitting in a unicameral parliament without checks and balances. Frankly, it looks like a dictatorship that the Queenslanders have voted themselves into. Campbell Newman is now going to have reciprocate and reward Clive his ‘million dollar’ benefactor with coal ports on the Barrier Reef and new coal licences. You say that’s appropriate? That looks like crony capitalism to me. Yes, lets talk about dysfunctional politics, shall we…

  63. Edward James

    @ Karen. I started directing my published comments to Labor party members and suporters around five years ago when I realised, for the most part the Labor Party Nationally is dysfunctional. Because its grass roots support and membership some of whom are elected reps at Local State and Federal levels of government are themselves the seat of the problem. They are the ones accomadating their parties political sins against the peoples. The job of dismantleing Labor falls to the prolatariate, the peoples who election after election have given their votes in trust that next term things will come good. I believe the long overdue changes are happening because it is clear the Labor Party will never do anything about the greedy cancer which is continueing to consume the party from within.
    Queensland voters will be best served by holding their resolve to exercise their vote for change again and again if needed until they fill their Parliament and local councils with politicians who have forgotten how to lie and disresperct their constituents. No government has a mandate to misgovern that happens when taxpayers go to the ballot boxes and then forget about misgovern for another three years. The government which was just booted out held a behind closed doors meeting and resolved to pay $120 K to and alledged victim of rape Annette M identifed that money as hush money in ther Courier Mail I expect everyone who has a problem with what we know as the Heiner Report and Shreddergate to pursue a Royal Commission. How we are governed or misgoverned is entirly up to us, and what we will put up with. Edward James

  64. Schnappi

    Power corrupts ,total power corrupts totally,will give it 6 months before the whinging starts.
    The promise of bringing down the cost of living is laughable,bringing down electricity prices is a bigger joke,but in three months just blame it on the carbon tax.

  65. Suzanne Blake

    @ Schnappi

    Yes power does corrupt, look at how many Labor MP’s from NSW were in front of the Independant Commission Against Corr uption.

    Look at the other evidence on the Federal sphere in the last 12 months.

  66. Schnappi

    Do not need a lesson in history from someone who avoids facts,currently is now,so they have nowhere else to go but down,should buy shares in companies that make paper bags,qld is notorious for filling them.

  67. Karen

    @ SB – there’s no corruption in the Federal sphere.

  68. drsmithy

    I propose Queensland voters use the ballot box like a butchers block to dismantal dysfunctional political parties.

    Yet they voted in the LNP ? Does not compute.

    Untill yesterday when Labor was destroyed Queensland was subject to the political whimsy of the two parties not much preferred.

    Now it’s subject to the dictatorship of one. Obviously an improvement, right ?

  69. Schnappi

    Think I know of someone who would not know about dictatorships let alone facts,so you should be immune from a put down,she is probably busy ordering him to put out the cat and the garbage,while all he wants ,is to go to the local to escape.,

  70. Edward James

    Dr.Smithy. In the past when one or the othert of the two parties not much preferred was voted out of power, most of them generally survived to wander over to the opporsition benches for a few years RnR at tax payers expence! After Saturday if the leader of the LNP Campbell Newman follows through, whats left of Labor will not get party status. Thats a good thing right! I have always wondered if a politician or a party for that matter was no dam good in power why keep them on in opporsition? Consider what Queenslanders have done in following NSW as another small step toward we the people ataining honest open representative government. Edward James

  71. Edward James

    Posted Sunday, 25 March 2012 at 6:13 pm
    capitalism to me. Yes, lets talk about dysfunctional politics, shall we… I would but almost everything I post here is moderated, sometimes for days. It is not unlike trying to play chess using snail mail. What happened to Crikey election coverage? Edward James

  72. Suzanne Blake

    @ Edward James

    A few interesting points to consider here.

    One Bruce Hawker

    1. Leaves Bligh campaign to join Rudd’s versus Gillard

    2. Rudd loses 2 – 1 majority

    3. Returns to Bligh campaign

    4. She loses to such an extent, Labor don’t have ‘party status’, Bligh resigns

    What does Bruce do know? Flog his new software to ALP as reported by Crikey last week?

  73. Suzanne Blake

    @ Edward James

    With a 16% swing against Labor, lets look at The Extreme Greens.

    They did not pick up ANY of the swing???? They themselves lost around 1%.

    This is NOT a State issue, its Federal.

    Bob Brown is on ABC News saying that “the Greens preserved their vote” with a huge swing and that is good?

    Please explain how that is good?

    I am certain The Greens will be navel gazing over this, long and very hard

  74. Edward James

    @ Suzanne Blake Most of the politicians I have had to try and enguage with Local State and Fedral are like poorly trained sheep dogs. I would not feed them! I certainly resent the fact most of them are an unproductive drain on my taxes! They are that because too many taxpayers and ratepayers are convinced there is nothing we can do about the status quo. Well i believe there is we simply keep kicking politicians right out into the street until we populate our Parliaments with new politicians who will represent us. Edward James

  75. Schnappi

    Having a dictatorship is not going to solve the states problems ,oh yes they can have any policy they want as it will become law,to me that is not democracy,that is plain fascism,even nazicism.

  76. Schnappi

    Having a dictatorship is not going to solve the states problems,oh yes all policies will be passed into law,but that is something using a word f or n which I have to use as my other post went for approval.

  77. Suzanne Blake

    @ Edward James

    The trouble is that well meaning people, join for the right reasons and then realise they are puppets, some worse than others.

    Its a dead easy job, especially in a safe seat, even in a marginal seat. OK you get voted out and go back to your chosen career, write a book, join a lobby firm, go back to Union / Industry / Company.

  78. Schnappi

    In the federal sphere the coalition toe abbotts line,remains to be seen whose line dominates in queensland as nats and libs called lnp,as to who dominates,they are in turmoil which is why an outsider was needed as a leader,or will he be the dominator.Think queensland no longer has democracy.

  79. Schnappi

    Guess my point is when you have aa government that cannot be challenged for 3 years you do not have a democray but take it dictatorship.

  80. AR

    I’ve often commented in the past that in the next federal election (or even before) the ALP should just play ads. of the MM ‘laughing’ but, when asked if CPalmer was “mad as a meat cleaver (sic!? – ‘axe’ shorley, hic!)” he didn’t laugh so much as SAY ”ha, ha, ha..“. I now realise that was what irked me so about his expulsions, not only mirthless but a means of not answering a question.
    May I go waayyy out into Nutland and suggest that Krudd could/will resign federally and destroy Gillard then stand for a Qld safe seat – Bligh’s is about to be vacated – and lead a netball team to victory at the next state election. It would satisfy his ego with revenge and his… errr… ego with Leader status, albeit in a uni cameral red neck toytown.
    Just sayin’

  81. Schnappi

    Perhaps the people in queensland will wake up and see the danger of a monoply government federally like the now have in queensland,at present they have no democracy voted for by themselves,but will they do it federally.

  82. Schnappi

    Funny but hitler started with far less than newman,when honest people wake up as they did not in germany in 1933 ,it will be seen the media has no concerns of a dictatorship in queensland they will think up a new name to keep murdochs propaganda going to have a one party Australia controlled by murdoch and the minibg billionarres.who clive shows that it can cause madness as witnessed by hitlers suicide.

  83. Edward James

    Queensland voters have taken team Labor out of the political game and off the taxpayer funded gravy train for the time being. They have done a better job than NSW. Queenslanders have not abandoned democracy Schnappi. They have become very involved in their political process. Creating a political void which other independent politicians may fill in time. An opening which has not been there for as long as the two parties not much preferred have taken turns governing. Queenslanders now know what they can do with a well exercised vote! It will be easier for them to do it again. They can understand the way they are governed is entirely up to them. People like me who have gone cap in hand to elected representatives at council with an issue of misgovernance, which is a political problem, and been dissed, then gone to the State MP same thing dismissed again this time because I was complaining about party members who were simply ignoring Section 232 of the Local government Act. We can see dissmissing lazy, dead wood, lying politicians and those who support them is the quickest route toward achieving the honest open representative government we need. Is there anyone else out there who is sick of dealing with office personal you did not vote for, while your elected reps are off on a junket somewhere? Edward James

  84. Suzanne Blake

    @ Schnappi

    Fruitloop comment. That comments is worse than Palmers.

  85. Suzanne Blake

    @ Edward James

    I heard Newman will give them party status, noble, quick and correct gesture.

  86. Schnappi

    Well EJ if labor is taken out of the gravy train,then the liberals now have almost all,and especially for the 1%.

  87. Edward James

    @ Schnappi Labor should not be given party status that would be special unwaranted treatment! The Queensland peoples have voted clearly enough. I have pointed out, for many years every vote above a certain percentage of the vote pool, attracts a taxpayer funded payment. Even those who do not win a seat. Suzanne Blake writes she has heard Campbell Newman will give Labor party status. In hope not. MP Campbell Newman will not be paying for that with his own money Queensland taxpayers will pay. Labor team players have lost their power convincingly with heaps of them kicked out of Parliament into the street wherte they deserve to be. They do not have party status, as such they are not entitled to taxpayers money. Edward James

  88. Suzanne Blake

    @ Edward James

    I agree Labor don’t deserve Party Status and the trimmings / funding, cause Queenslanders have spoken democratically.

    However, as we all know they are a party and he should turn the other cheek and waive it.

    This law was set to prevent the extreme groups at either end of the spectrum getting funding, unless they got a certain vote

  89. Schnappi

    Sb and EJ appears your saying a single party is ok ,just as long it is not labor,whether the people of queensland like it or not,they have a dictatorship as they have no upper house.
    My betting is the destruction of the Artesion Basin and Aqifers will now begin,the people cannot stop them until 3 years time.

  90. Edward James

    @ Schnappi. Seriously are yopu telling me and other readers of Crikey.com the LNP which is I understand no longer a coalition like that in NSW is the only party represented in Queensland at the State level of government! I do not believe the LNP are the only politicians in the Queensland Parliament! @ Suzanne the Labor Party team players have no legitimate entitlement to taxpayers funded party status they lost convincingly, yet the team players still keep lying! Edward James

  91. Edward James

    Posted Monday, 26 March 2012 at 12:00 pm | Permalink
    I am blocked again god help subscribers who are trying to feed Crikey with curtrent and worthwhile feedback! Edward James 0243419140

  92. Karen

    @ EJ – SB is correct in saying the ALP should have party status for the purposes of resourcing and providing an effective opposition. If there was ever a case for it given the magnitude of the landslide, it is this. If nothing else, the ALP did the same for the Nats. Its gentlemanly and appropriate, as SB has pointed out. Remember, we live in a democracy.

  93. Edward James

    @ Karen Well heck lets give all the failed politicians not in the LNP opporsition a free ride with party status. Perhaps they could all unite. I have been working for years to dismantle garbage political parties! Why give them taxpayers money when they do not deserve it ? Edward James

  94. Schnappi

    Appears EDWARD JAMES does not want to live in a Democracy

  95. Karen

    @ EJ – So, you prefer a sleazy white shoe brigade junta with Clive sitting at the helm, calling the shots. With noooo opposition. I bet if Labor won with the same margin you’d want Labor to give a decimated LNP party status
    Why? Because, you’ve revealed yourself to be an extreme right winger. Loop territory. Back under your tin foil hat, EG, you go – and take 10 blue, 15 orange and 25 red pills, while you’re at it.

  96. Karen

    @EJ – and to be even handed about this, extreme right wingers and extreme left wingers of the totalitarian type easily espouse the same anti-democratic sentiments that you do. You might want to reflect on your value systems here.

  97. Schnappi

    Newman has appointed grayson as director general of the premiers dept.notice he is an expert in govt.asset sales.wow so soon,thought sales what got the labor govt.kicked out for.

  98. Edward James

    Have I missed something @ Karin, Schnappi ? We still live in a democracy and I am pleased to see so many political weeds pulled out of a democratic garden bed in one opperation! Australians live in a democracy! The people of Queensland still have democracy, and what’s left of butchered Labor team players may rtestablish themselves at the ballot box some time in the future using their own money like all the others without party status. Next chance April. It is really silly to try to put your political labels on me because you are unhappy about the arse woopin Labor got from Queenslanders. I realized a long time ago, it is good to use whichever political tool is best to get a particular job done. It is that simple I do what I can to change the political face of dysfunctional government what ever it is. Local, State or Federal. I find its far easier than taking a political argument into a law court. I suggest if you are unhappy with the peoples vote you work hard and help Labor party team players during the next elections, there are heaps of them right across Queensland at the end of April. Those Labor councilors will have the same supporters the party had at State level. If ratepayers feel the same way about Labor in a few weeks they will throw them out of the local councils too! Edward James

  99. Schnappi

    Clive palmer is a known financial backer of the lnp,now seems his CIA rubbish by his own admisssion was to take attention away from newman,attention from the media and the senate.
    Why the senate, to stop any inquiry into newman(His own Words}think deceiving the senate is a crime,or is democracy at work,but in this case for the rich and powerful only,or perhaps for the mentally ill.
    What will a loose cannon do to help abbott as he needs it,will the media let palmer deceive them ,doubt the senate will now the liberal dirty tricks are exposed,abbott did not critisise palmer as he knew why he did it.

  100. Karen

    @Schnappi – The electorate can be quite schizophrenic – they’ll hate Labor for asset sales and pummel them electorally, but won’t really take the axe to the Libs doing it. A completely hypocritical response, I know. Can’t really explain why, other than to attribute this to a cynical media who’ll use it against Labor to manipulate punters to vote against Labor (when it suits). And yet, it will serve up a bouquet to the Libs for doing exactly the same thing because it supports the conservative agenda to transfer income from the public sector to the private sector.

    Julia’s problems are down to bad press too, fundamentally – the press hate her. Relentless bad press will get you booted out, even if you pull the moon down, it would seem. And yet, against all the odds, JG has achieved, in a legislative/policy sense, more than any of her predecessors over the same period. For the benefit to the community with little or no impost to it. The community has not lost a thing. Gee, the government has even steered the country out of recession. And yet no-one cares – they view the governments programs directed to them as ‘waste’ because the conservative media told them so. And wring their hands over the modest imposts on the big end of town because the media told them how bad it will be for big business who are making obscene amounts of money.

    And just wait, when Abbott gets in, repeals the MRRT and carbon tax and imposes service cuts, a hike in the GST, and deregulation of the labor market, the public who will surely hurt over it, will accept it because the media, again, won’t make an issue of it. So, the community won’t bother joining the dots over how much they are being ripped off.

    It won’t be that bad under Abbott to start with though because the Greens will buffer the community from the excesses of his ideology, but then the community will turn on the Greens and give them the boot because the press will really go after the Greens and accuse them of stymying the conservative ‘mandate’ and standing in the way of progress etc.

    Honestly, tin foil hat territory, here we come…

  101. lilac

    Regardless of the why’s and what for’s of the Palmer press conference he said it and contemptuosly used the media for his own ends, the Rabbit didn’t rebuke it the manical laughter was quite disturbing if not a bit creepy! I love it when he attempts interviews as he further cements the many, many reasons why he is such a dismal alternative. The Malcolm Fraser interview in The Age today was a a great read on many levels.

  102. Schnappi

    Really love that the media do not attack a megolomaniac who brags that he fooled them,over the greens accepting money from the CIA,and on Q&A tonight tony liberal jones stopped the greens parliamentarian continuing with that sneaky brandis getting money from the KGB,think forever more will say abbott is a KGB sleeper until such time palmer is in a strait jacket,and brandis spoon feeding him.

  103. Schnappi

    It is I,Listen very carefully,I will only say this once,abbott is a KGB sleeper,and bags of clive money hidden for the toxic day of the sky falling when the carbon tax hits worse than the millenium bug,do not fear clive money increased in QLD will save all you dummies in other states ,you must vote abbott in the lodge,otherwise the men in white coats will take away your drugs and lollies.
    Now the media this is no joke I would not fool you like a billionare ,my inteligence forbids me from fooling fools.

  104. Karen

    @ Edward James – I’m not arguing the toss about the electorate’s democratic decision to toss out the previous Labor government. I’m arguing about the fact we now have a one party state, which on present indications, will remain that way for a very long time without any real opposition. And you clearly don’t seem to care as a self-professed democrat. Because if you did, you would support the fact that the opposition should have party status and to be resourced accordingly, in order to rigorously test the policies of the government.

    As a secondary issue, what is your attitude about the ALP having magnanimously given the Nats party status? I notice that you have skirted that issue rather neatly…

  105. Schnappi

    Going to adventure into dangerous ground here ,abbott continuosly mentions baseball bats, then has stated targets on the forehead of the PM,and others he needs assasinated to get in the lodge,the media allowed palmer to publish made up garbage,but will they allow my thoughts which I believe to be the truth,and not made up?

  106. Edward James

    @ Karen I had no knowlege of so called party status but I understand Labor dose not have enough members to be entitled to taxpayer funding. But hey Labor have pleanty of money let them use that sell some of their party asserts. Over 12 years ago sat at the feet of a now dead Democrat. While he tried to help me understand how my local council Gosford was supposed to function. I have moved on and certainly wont join any party because I like to be able to act independently. BTW I was reading about Heather Beattie registering to stand for Brisbane Council Central ward. Clearly Labor are already fighting back to minimum political relevence. The funny thing is because of the delay caused by the half done report into Wivenho, so many party members are blocked from nominating because the State election is not likly to be called until after nominations for local councils close. What a sweet irony Labor can’t do as it pleases like it used too. Edward James

  107. Schnappi

    Said this in another post,while clive palmer conned the media abbotts Nanny scheme got little coverage,abbotts parental scheme(Con)gives rich mothers $75,000 for 6 months,then guess what abbotts nanny scheme(Con) gives the same mothers with their 6 months old a Nanny at taxpayers expense,
    Most people would think a NANNY scheme would be for Grandmothers or Grandads looking after their Grandchildren ,not so, abbotts scheme is for the rich not our grandparents looking after the young as they already do.
    Think abbott is the one who should have a target on his forehead,will not say down below as I think the PM has more than he has.

  108. Schnappi

    Having been in local ,state and federal public service,and23 years Army,which includes service in the SAS now SASR,think I have a bit of life experience that a would be leader like abbott could only dream of,and some of the commentators in here would avoid as if they had to have a saturday bath.
    Think I am entitled to have an an opinion,regarding Heather Beattie right to do what she likes ,rather than an abbott who has only worked 6 months in his life,has no life experience to tell me or others how to conduct our lives ,have no idea what EDWARD JAMES has ever done,but to critisise Heather Beattie is out of hate or lack of experience in life ,or purely political spite worthy of clive palmer, george brandis ,christoper pyne ,but probably purely political ignorance

  109. Edward James

    @ Schnappi Posted Tuesday, 27 March 2012 at 12:19 am | Permalink. All you need to know Schappi is I really enjoy exercising my democratice rights and spending money to effect political change and change again. A lot of us including Annette McIntosh expect the LNP to start digging into the Heiner Affair and Shreddedgate which is what I think of everytime I hear the names Kevin Rudd and Wayne Goss.
    Heather Beattie has exercised her democratic right to stand for Brisbane council. (Shanppi did I say I had a problem with that?) On the other hand so many of her Labor Party team players are blocked from nominating for local councils due to be held late in April, because the Queensland State election is not likly to be called until after nominations for local councils close. What a sweet irony Labor can’t do as it pleases like it used too before it got its arse wooped. Edward James

  110. Suzanne Blake

    @ Schnappi

    Working in Local, State, Federal Public Services and 23 years in the Army, gives you little life experience. Very little.

    All are protected environments. Yes the Army would have been a tough, rugged existance, but protected.

    To get real life experience you need to be in a small business / medium business and understand cash flow, winning business, looking after customers with passion, fixing issues, developing a growth strategy and executing.

    In all the places you have worked, you have had to do none of that with the possible partial exception of looking after customers with passion.

    Harsh yes. Reality absolutely. Sorry to upset the start of your day.

    In my view any State and Federal politician needs these life skills before they get pre-selected, regardless of Party.

  111. Edward James

    Courier Mail catching up with Conflicting news. Yesterday I read this; Dr Beattie, the wife of former Premier Peter Beattie, is expected to nominate tomorrow after it was revealed ousted state MP Grace Grace cannot nominate as she is still technically a candidate in the State elections.

    Ms Grace had earlier said she intended to run for the council elections to be held on April 28.
    Early Tuesday morning I read Grace Grace was nominating. I posted a comment online about the conflict with QEC, the news item dissapeared. Nominations for local elections close today i think, as Ms Grace is still listed as a state candidate until the votes are finalised, which won’t happen before the local candidacies close her and others in the same boat have missed the boat so to speak .“None of us knew that this technicality was there,” Grace Grace said.
    Perhaps so many dumped Labor MPs had planned to return to that kindergarten of politics, Local councils? Edward James

  112. Suzanne Blake

    @ Edward James

    Too many of the Labor politicians do not know how to get and retain a real job, so they default to public services, unions or elected life.

    Makes perfect sence to me.

  113. Suzanne Blake

    @ Schnappi

    “I hits worse than the millenium bug”

    “my inteligence forbids me from fooling fools”

    Schnappi, realise your probably in a protected environment at the time, but the millenium bug hit nobody!!! IT industry massive beat up and they raked billions.

    As for “fooling fools”, that is the Price on Carbon and the $23 world leading lug on Australia

  114. Edward James

    @ Suzanne Blake. Politicians could be the tools which thinking people will use to change the way they are governed. The big problem with Labor continues to be their diminshing pool of inbred polituical party members and supporters, who have for decades let their Labor hirearchy do as they dam well please. Milton the horrible Orkopolous was doing his filthy thing in our NSW Parliament and Electorate offices at Swansea while other elected reps moved around him and his unsavoury activities. Barry O Farrell has yet to reopen that stinking can of political worms! Now the long suffering taxpayers nationally have realised they must do what Labor party team players, from the Juliar at the top to the dags and other hangers on at the bottom of the smelly wet sheeps belly have refused to do for decades. Get rid of their garbage! Edward James

  115. Schnappi

    Ah SUZANNE I also worked elsewhere making things to a formula ,concrete protection,and swimming pool paint just to mention a few,so that little shop keepers like you could sell it,without workers to make things you are nothing but someone making money from someone elses sweat and brains,perhaps you will also be rewarded by the no life experience tony with his Nanny reward scheme.

  116. Suzanne Blake

    @ Edward James

    A Royal Commission into the Labor Government would take years. It may uncover more, but at what cost. Voters are pretty aware and will be reminded when the time comes.

  117. Edward James

    @ Schnappi. Here are some others who found in another Crikey string who may not have your life experience. Having been paid with money made by the sweat of others perhaps? People who have worked toward power inside the Labor party hirarchy to become general secretaries Sam Dastyari, Thistlethwaite, Karl Bitar, Eric Roozendaal, John Della Bosca, Stephen Loosely and Graham Richardson) have only ever drawn an income from inside the political class. The party of the workers has a machine leadership that is totally disengaged from the world of work.”
    Edward James

  118. Schnappi

    None of the people you mention EJ is the future leader of this country,but abbott is a bludger with no life exerience,now that is a fact.
    Think your obsession with labor is just being petty,and no I am not a lefty which gets used to try and win a point,there are enough fools in this country,which is why I vote any anti immigration party.

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