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Jan 27, 2012

View from the Tent Embassy: reality v news reports

The most striking factor of the Aboriginal Tent Embassy protests was the stark difference between reports of the events and the reality, writes Tracker editor Amy McQuire.

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The most striking aspect of the Aboriginal Tent Embassy protests, which sprung onto the media’s radar on Survival Day, was the stark difference between the reports of the events, and the reality.

This week, 2000 people made their way to the tent embassy to camp on the land where four Aboriginal men had helped change the course of Aboriginal political history 40 years prior. On January 26, 1972, Michael Anderson, Billie Craigie, Bertie Williams and Tony Coorie staked their claim on the lawns opposite Old Parliament House, in a historic protest for land rights. Yesterday, Aboriginal people and their non-indigenous supporters came together to celebrate that occasion, and protest against the succeeding decades that brought little change.

The day began with a well-attended protest through the heart of Canberra. Starting at the Australian National University, the rally wound its way through the city, to Parliament House, and back to the Tent Embassy. It was peaceful, but lively, and mirrored the concerns of those four men in 1972. Men, women and children marched peacefully alongside the police escorts, calling for “Land Rights Now”.

By the end of the day, that protest would be forgotten, replaced by images of an “angry mob” that had “trapped” the Prime Minister and opposition leader in a Canberra restaurant.

I was at the tent embassy at the time we heard of Tony Abbott’s comments. Abbott had responded to the 40th anniversary by stating it was time the tent embassy move on:

“I think a lot has changed for the better since then … I think the indigenous people of Australia can be very proud of the respect in which they are held by every Australian … I think it probably is time to move on from that.”

Comments such as that from a man who wants to be prime minister were never going to go down well.

The common sentiment from the embassy was that they were insensitive remarks, and wildly untrue. The fact we were still protesting for land rights 40 years on put the lie to those claims.

There has been much discussion in the media about whether Abbott was misinterpreted,  but by saying “moving on” people did interpret that to mean move the tent embassy on, and today many people are still pretty angry at the literal interpretation. For many, it was seen as insensitive because things now are not much better than the 70s (eg. the gap is only getting wider).

When word got around the embassy that Abbott was at a restaurant less than 200 metres away from the camp, people slowly started to trickle over.

The Lobby Restaurant is encased in glass, with the interior easily visible to those outside. While protesters were angry, it’s safe to say the reaction would not have been as emotional had Abbott not made those comments.

But while there was anger, it was far from a “riot”. A riot involves violence and a disturbing of the peace. While it was definitely a loud demonstration, there was no damage. A few smudged fingerprints on the glass of the restaurant was the net result. There were about 1000 protesters around the café when Gillard and Abbott were rushed through their own mob of security guards.

When they did come out, there were few protesters in the firing line. In fact, people such as Michael Anderson, one of the original founding members of the tent embassy, was pushed out of the way and into the stair railing. One of the only Aboriginal protesters near Gillard when she was delivered to her car was a photographer who was unceremoniously pushed away by a policeman.

Similarly, it was the police that made Gillard stumble. There was no protesters around her. People such as  Anderson and Tiga Bayles, a prominent indigenous broadcaster, were involved in soothing the crowd and were negotiating with police who had made a line of blue outside the restaurant. There was a call for people to return to the embassy, as the “point had been made”.

The only violence I saw was on behalf of police, who were pushing protesters away. Nevertheless, that didn’t stop media from portraying an angry mob who were bent on terrorising our first female prime minister. Images of Gillard in the arm of her protector made the front page of newspapers around the country, but would it have been such a source of public outrage if she wasn’t a woman?

There was no attempt to hurt Gillard or Abbott. Protesters simply wanted to make clear their concerns about sovereignty, land rights and Aboriginal rights to the mainstream. On that part, they were effective. Would media even be reporting the protests of the tent embassy if this didn’t happen?

Aboriginal people still want to have a national conversation about the issues that affect our communities. Unfortunately, media ignore it, and prefer to listen to the self-appointed Aboriginal leaders such as Warren Mundine, who represent the smallest percentage of Aboriginal opinion. I’m not surprised that he is the Aboriginal leader they have decided to quote, even though he was not present, and did not know the full story.

Today, the tent embassy is also peaceful. Children are playing on the jumping castle, and about 500 people are having a conversation about sovereignty in a tent set up by the organising committee. It is not the angry, riotous place portrayed on your television screens this morning.

If more people came down and saw for themselves, maybe it would be reported more accurately.

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612 thoughts on “View from the Tent Embassy: reality v news reports

  1. Jimmy

    I thnk this is a very “rose coloured” view of what happenned. To say this was not an over reaction to pretty tame comments, to sya the violence was all the police, to say that it was “only a few smudged finger prints” seems to me to not be living in reality.

    I was not there so I can’t say for certain but for well trained security staff who have dealt with these type of things quite frequently to become concerned, and for Gillard to request Abbott is “evacuated” with them seems to demonstrate it was not exactly a peaceful protest.

    On a wider issue, exactly what “land rights” are being sought? We have had the Mabo case and miners in the NT and WA now have to negotiate with the “traditional owners” which are both big steps forward from the 1970’s, how much further are they protestors wanting to go?

  2. Jimmy

    And even if the protestors did nothing wrong prior to Abbott & Gillard beind bundled into the car their behaviour after was terrible, to parade the PM’s shoe around like some sort of trophy, to offer to trade it for land etc was counter productive to say the least, after all they were supposedly outraged at Tony Abbott’s comments not anything the PM has done.

  3. galeg

    Congratulations to the protesters. They have successfully managed to put reconciliation back 10+ years. No body in their right mind attacks the Australian Prime Minister and should expect anything other than the Electorates back lash.

    I know there will be many versions spread around about what actually happened, but only the photos of Police having to rescue the Prime Minister, and her obvious distress will be remembered by the voting public.

    I would suggest that the Fed Gov can now save money and ditch the proposed referendum on Aboriginal recognition in the Constitution as from the discussions I have heard in the community, it has a snow balls chance in hell of being accepted by the Electorate. It is a pity really, as a number of well meaning people put in much effort only to see all lost by a few rat bags.

  4. Rich Uncle Skeleton

    And even if the protestors did nothing wrong prior to Abbott & Gillard beind bundled into the car their behaviour after was terrible, to parade the PM’s shoe around like some sort of trophy, to offer to trade it for land etc was counter productive to say the least

    So-called “jokes” can be hard to understand sometimes.

  5. Rich Uncle Skeleton

    Galeg, are you saying we should now forget about any reconciliation attempts and constitutuional changes based on the actions of a group you admit are a “minority”?

    How grateful we should be that you show so much concern towards Aboriginal people. If only we could convince the stinkin’ elctorate, hey?

  6. galeg

    One extra thing.

    I wonder why the camping on the lawns is still happening?

    It only took a couple of weeks for the Victorian Police to use a couple of buckets of water and kick the protesters out of the Public Gardens in Melbourne, after the general public told the State Gov to move them on.

  7. Troy C

    > There was no protesters around her

    Were. There were no protesters around her.

  8. John

    Julia saved Tony’s arse.
    He ought to say Thank You.

  9. Suzanne Blake

    @ Jimmy

    Interesting that the comments attributed to Abbott were incorrect and spread by a lady in Gillards spin office with initials BS. Gillards Department were defending themselves in a press conference this morning.

    We should build them a permanent embassy on the existing spot, with amenties etc.

  10. CID

    I don’t particularly trust much media coverage these days, but even with selective editing the mainstream media love so much it seems this report is just as skewed. I take the story as a whole with a grain of salt, but I saw what I saw – it was much more than a few smudged fingerprints on the glass and protesters making their point. I have no idea if the security detail overreacted or not, but I would imagine they don’t pull that sort of stunt lightly.

    I am sure that using Abbott’s comments as a spark to that particular fire must have taken some work and some deliberate misquoting. In no way could that comment as a whole be construed as calling for the tent embassy to be moved on.

    Things have come a long way since the 70’s but there’s still much to do. And while I don’t think it hurt the chances of the proposed referendum amongst anyone with half a brain and an ounce of compassion, a lot of the electorate sadly lacks those 2 qualities and will respond to the dog whistle.

  11. Jimmy

    SB – For F..k sake SB p..s off!!!!!

    If you have got to the point where even this is Gillard’s fault you clearly have gone beyond all medical help. When you want to join the rest of us in reality and have an adult conversation where you have informed opinions instead of just regurgitating shock jock ramblings feel free to post a comment but until thenstay down at th RSL!!!

  12. Jimmy

    Oh and once again you a factually wrong, BS is I assume Barb.ara Sh.aw, an Aborigianl protestor who made the announcement not some unnamed source in the PM’s office.

  13. Kevin

    Sorry Amy, I also agree that you are wearing rose cloured glasses in your summation of events. Perhaps the media have blown up aspects of the demonstators behaviour, that in itself would not be unusual, however the views of demonstrators pounding on glass appeared very real, as was the recorded sound inside the restaurant of banging on glass. This would have been frightening inside the restaurant. You can clearly hear on the video footage from inside the restaurant the shouting and banging of those that seemed in no mood to listen to reason.

    I agree that the PM only stumbled because of the speed of the security people , thus losing her shoe, appearing to want to retrieve it but being forced away from it.

    As for the demonstrators back at the Tent Embassy telling the PM to come and collect her shoe for her to show good faith…………………………come on, get real!

  14. Jimmy

    CID – ” am sure that using Abbott’s comments as a spark to that particular fire must have taken some work and some deliberate misquoting. In no way could that comment as a whole be construed as calling for the tent embassy to be moved on.” And yet in this article there is no attempt to portray it as a response to a misquote but a justified response to Abbott’s actual words. The protestors are mismanaging the PR to the events dreadfully.

  15. Suzanne Blake

    @ Jimmy

    Gillard and her team can do no wrong in your eyes

    dailytelegraph.com.au/news/aboriginal-tent-embassy-protesters-say-we-did-nothing-wrong/story-e6freuy9-1226255312590

  16. Julien Marr

    After reading through this I scrolled through the rest of today’s Crikey expecting the other side of the story so I could try and work out where in the middle reality lies.

  17. GeeWizz

    Seeing as Amy was there at the protest, perhaps she can tell us just how many of these rent-a-crowd were actually Aboriginals and how many were your usual dole bludging white blow-ins from the Socialist Alliance?

  18. Jimmy

    SB – Is this evidence? Even the person who was supposedly tipped off denies the allegations? All you have is Ra y Ha.dley (hardly the gold standard for journalism) and an unsubstantiated claim.

    My original challenge to you stands – grow a brain or F..k off!!!!!!

  19. Andybob

    Cinderella story. Julia, a put upon house servant of Bob Brown (evil stepmother), Wilkie, Oakeshott and Windsor (ugly stepsisters) escapes to the Emergency Services Ball where she dances with Tony Abott (Prince Charming), courtesy of the media attention (fairy godmother). Unfortunately the hoi polloi gatecrash the event. Cinderella and Charming flee, leaving behind the obligatory slipper, and the media’s reality obscuring spells settle on all concerned.

  20. Suzanne Blake

    @ Jimmy

    Gillard did not deny it, “looking into it”. She knows, which is why no one from Labor has gone onto attack yesterday or today. Normally Albanese would have been all over this.

  21. GeeWizz

    Looks like it was a staged event to help Dillards poll numbers. How low will this woman go?

    smh.com.au/national/pms-staffer-tipped-off-tent-embassy-to-abbott-claim-20120127-1ql0z.html

  22. Suzanne Blake

    @ GeeWizz

    GetUp must have been at a BBQ.

    @ Andybob well done

  23. geomac

    GALEG
    Posted Friday, 27 January 2012 at 1:46 pm | Permalink
    One extra thing.

    I wonder why the camping on the lawns is still happening?

    It only took a couple of weeks for the Victorian Police to use a couple of buckets of water and kick the protesters out of the Public Gardens in Melbourne, after the general public told the State Gov to move them on.

    A couple of buckets of water ? Obviously you didn,t bother to check out what happened and what the public thought . A woman was stripped of her dress in public at the gardens by police officers but not charged with any offence . Doyle not the public wanted them moved on as the public was ambiguous about the garden gathering . Apparently in our forelock tugging great democracy we cannot have a peaceful protest anywhere but especially if a foreign monarch is paying a visit . That foreign monarch is our head of state and her couple of hours visit cost Victorians a bundle or was it the feds who picked up the one million the Australian trip cost ?
    A few buckets of water , says it all doesn,t it ?
    On topic : I thought the shoe thing and the action because of a misquote left the protesters looking smug and dumb .

  24. Jimmy

    SB & Geewizz – Why don’t you two go and start your own website where you can talk about how terrible Gillard is and make up as many “facts” as you want and leave the grown ups to talk about real issues. The person tipped has denied it was from the PM’s office, the PM has said she has no idea about the allegation but “will investigate” and the 2 papers you use as sources have done no investigation of their own and are just regurgitating what Ray Hadley has had to say and yet you trumpet it as undeniable proof.
    As for the ALP “going on the attack” why would they, there is no votes in allienating the aboriginal rights activists because of a minority. The coalition would have much more to gain (it plays more to the right wing voters) and yet they haven’t gone “on the attack” either, maybe they can see the actions speak for themselves.

    Having said all that I think it is time I do what the vast majority do & I should of done a long time ago and ignore your ignorant postings.

  25. outside left

    troothie and SB. you pathetic morons

  26. GeeWizz

    [“A couple of buckets of water ? Obviously you didn,t bother to check out what happened and what the public thought . A woman was stripped of her dress in public at the gardens by police officers but not charged with any offence”]

    And I bet she was being completely compliant with legal police requests right?

    [“Doyle not the public wanted them moved on as the public was ambiguous about the garden gathering . Apparently in our forelock tugging great democracy we cannot have a peaceful protest anywhere but especially if a foreign monarch is paying a visit “]

    Nah I’m pretty sure the public wanted these smelly Socialist Alliance bludgers who have never worked a hard day in their lives to stop blocking the 99% from getting to work, shopping and generally making a living.

    Australians don’t have respect for bludgers who can spend all day protesting about irrelevent sh1t thats only applicible to the Yank system.

  27. geomac

    Staged event ? The only staged event I,ve read about was the 30 second shaking zombie act Abbott put on when asked a question that he had already been briefed was going to be asked . He not only managed to look either tongue tied or incapable of intelligent response but it was premeditated . The pedal cretin strikes again . Was it pedal or Peta who thought it would look good ?

  28. GeeWizz

    [“troothie and SB. you pathetic morons”]

    Another well thought out leftie socialist argument, which adds infinately to the debate at hand, well done.

  29. Rena Zurawel

    Tony Abbot should get a prompter as a birthday present.

  30. geomac

    Nah I’m pretty sure the public wanted these smelly Socialist Alliance bludgers who have never worked a hard day in their lives to stop blocking the 99% from getting to work, shopping and generally making a living.

    Wow ! you must sit at the comp waiting to jump on anything , lots of leisure time or paid troll ? It happened in the gardens where people go to sit or stroll not a busy city pathway . No wonder its pointless responding to posts that are devoid of any reasonable or factual statements . Black is white and white is black if it suits some people .

  31. 2dogs

    Well gee willikers Batman, The Boy Wonder is back, and he brought his side kick … I don`t know GeeWizz, what champion of justice would you like to be refereed as?

    So when the article that you two superheros desperately cling to as proof states:
    “claims one of her staffers may have triggered yesterday’s ugly Aboriginal protests”

    You interpret that to mean:
    “We have factual proof that Barbara Shaw took over Tony Abbott`s vocal cords and forced him to make (another) unscripted comment the promptly told the people at the tent embassy the words that came out of Tony`s mouth and forced them (possibly at gunpoint) to “riot”.”

    Wow, who said delusion cannot be a beautiful (if not pathetically hilarious) thing.

  32. Jimmy

    Troothie – “Another well thought out leftie socialist argument, which adds infinately to the debate at hand, well done” You can’t ask for something that you can not provide or hold others to higher standards than you exhibit yourself. In fact I thought this post might actually to high brow for you!!

    Now I am done.

  33. michael crook

    Something has been forgotten in this debate. Our indigenous brothers and sisters still have no chance at self determination. They still have to suffer from the paternalistic indignities of the “intervention” which is racist in both its conception and conduct. They still have to get the news that another brother, or uncle, has somehow died in a police cell. They still to wait for the recommendations of the “Black Deaths in Custody” royal commission to be implemented. In short they are still waiting for justice and it is not even on the horizon yet.

  34. CID

    Crikey Staffers take note – been a while since I’ve been here and no matter how many free DVD’s and books you offer me, this level of comment and debate is why you won’t get my hard earned any time soon. See ya.

  35. GeeWizz

    [“Wow ! you must sit at the comp waiting to jump on anything , lots of leisure time or paid troll ? It happened in the gardens where people go to sit or stroll not a busy city pathway .”]

    BS, don’t rewrite history.

    They were in City Square blocking walkways and infront of peoples shops… people who are trying to make a living, not bludging off the dole.

    Then the police moved these smelly socialists along and they were moved on and they setup camp in the city gardens.

  36. Rosslyn Envall

    Have to say CID I agree with you about the “level of comment and debate” displayed here – altho I don’t plan to leave Crikey cos of it just yet.

  37. Jimmy

    Rosslyn & CID – To try and get this back on track can I go back to my original post and ask again what exactly “land rights” includes these days, that is to say what exactly is the purpose of the tent embassy and does Abbott have a point in saying it needs at the very least to have it’s purpose reviewed and updated?

  38. Greg Chapman

    The PM, in the movie footage (no pun intended) I saw seemed to enjoy being in the arms of another prince. The Cinderella effect of the lost slipper in these shots was certainly a great take! Like the photos of her with Obama in Darwin, they’re all classic 50s romance movie stills!And then there’s that Gooda fella – with his deprecating remarks! So Uncle Tom! Which side is he on?

    Oh, kiddies, don’t you understand what protesting is all about? Be proud of the fact that over 1000 people were motivated by Abbott’s ignorance, arrogance and disregard for indigenous rights.

    Meanwhile, I’ll just sit back in my armchair and wait for the next instalment of ‘Australia – the remake’.

  39. Suzanne Blake

    @ Greg Chapman

    Are you saying its the best hug she has had in decades or longer?

    Love the way the BBC covered it overnight!!

  40. 2dogs

    @ GeeWizz, I am still a little confused, champion of justice (happens a lot). How exactly is the link that you provided “proof” (you know that thing that superheros call….. what was it….. ahhhhh… “facts”) to your claims that it was staged by Gillard?

  41. Bob the builder

    @ JIMMY
    A common misconception – even among non-specialist lawyers I’ve spoken to – is that Native Title is land rights. There are some negotiated rights of access and land use and the right to negotiate with potential land users, like mining companies. That is only a right to ‘negotiate’ and at the end of that process, if no agreement is reached, the Native Title Tribunal adjudicates – and in almost 100% of cases it has found in favour of the mining company. This gives very little bargaining power to the original land owners (or ‘traditional’ land owners as they’re known) and almost no meaningful land ‘rights’.
    Land rights relates to ownership to land, as under the Commonwealth Land Rights act that applies to the NT.

    @ GALEG
    I am reluctant to respond to your tendentious ad hominem attacks, but ….
    The actions of a few people mean that all Indigenous people are at fault? Regardless of the fact that I think your interpretation of events is wildly mistaken, even were it true, it would have no ramifications for Reconciliation, let alone putting it back ten years (back to when Howard was refusing dialogue with Indigenous people and vilifying Indigenous communities you mean?). Does that mean every white racist’s actions is representative of all non-Indigenous people in this country?

  42. GeeWizz

    [“@ GeeWizz, I am still a little confused, champion of justice (happens a lot). How exactly is the link that you provided “proof” (you know that thing that superheros call….. what was it….. ahhhhh… “facts”) to your claims that it was staged by Gillard?”]

    I’m not saying it’s a statement of proof, I am simply saying it “Looks like it was a staged event ”

    The dinner was held 400 Meters from the ten embassy. Gillard amazingly had riot police with shield on standby.

    40th Anniversary of the Tent Embassy with 1000 people attending.

    And we hear that they may well have been tipped off by a Gillard insider. More details will be required before we can say for sure

  43. shepherdmarilyn

    Oh dear, so many words about nothing.

    Not one thing happened except to the aborigines bashed by the thug feds.

  44. Kevin

    Oh dear Shepherd Marilyn, your words add nothing to that nothing!

  45. geomac

    I just remembered another staged event concerning an ex PM . We were shown footage of the rodent being taken off a plane in the middle east , very dramatic , yet somehow the cameraman was evacuated first . So security thought the cameraman had priority over the PM . Well yes he did because the event to be successfully staged had to be shot by the cameraman .
    My point about the gardens was in response to a few buckets of water comment . The gardens didn,t warrant stripping the woman of her dress , tent dress , or warrant a charge being laid . No charge and no crime committed except in a fashion sense and no obstruction of workers trying to get to work . Consistency is a good value to have but not necessarily when it comes to ignoring comments and the context they are in .
    regards whatever moniker you are using today , too many too keep track of.

  46. Vanessa Jacobsen

    Of course, it’s always the fault of the police, or failing that, dodgy back room tactics from politicians. Throw in a few carefully edited camera shots, and it confirms the silly bias of this silly article. As for the peaceful demonstrators, they would be the same ones that took great pains to burn the Australian flag today. Not really very peaceful, but we saw that from yesterday – plenty of violence shown from plenty of demonstrators.

  47. Chris Johnson

    You can well understand why it all went so wrong yesterday when some in our media mis-heard Tony Abbott: At 1.06PM yesterday this went up on Sky News http://is.gd/mS3S5k and and at 3.51PM this appeared online courtesy News Limited http://is.gd/1rZFA8 and again via The Age http://is.gd/N2eKId. While there is no excuse for the level of heated aggression we saw there is equally no excuse for our media to get it so horribly wrong.

  48. Cyndi

    How many of you agree with Abbott’s claim that “the indigenous people of Australia can be very proud of the respect in which they are held by every Australian”?

    That lie is the crux of the issue. It’s not about the tent embassy. Take your heads from your backsides and offer up some evidence to demonstrate how we respect indigenous Australians.

  49. 2dogs

    The Riddler, fantastic a new “super” to join the club.

    Ahhh so the word “looks like” removes any and all responsibility for you “are simply saying”

    Wow such a freeing release the outright lies that I can now peddle:
    “It looks like people who think that smoking causes cancer are uneducated”
    “It looks like global mean temperatures are falling and the world in moving into another ice-age”
    “It looks like Bob Brown has been possessed by Nazi-comunists space aliens hell bent on the destruction of this country.”
    “It looks like I am always right and you are always wrong, attempting to bring facts into the argument only proves that you are a dirty socialist without a clue”
    Thank you for clarifying that Riddler

  50. Simon Mansfield

    What Abbott said was offensive. Sure he didn’t say the Tent should be pulled down. What he said otherwise was that things are just fine today in Australia for Aboriginal people and we can all just move on. If that was true then the NT intervention was just a political stunt and there was nothing wrong.

    Gillard as usual couldn’t turn this around to be the perfect opportunity to put the issue of Aboriginal Australia squarely in the Australia Day round hole.

    As usual she said nothing substantial and just went home for a cuppa tea and good lay down. As Malcom Fraser said at Charlie Perkins’ funeral – Burn Baby Burn was a perfectly reasonable comment for Charlie to have made. As sometimes you need to say and do things with a bit of bite.

    The Shoe being taken hostage was just a moment of levity in an otherwise emotionally charged day. Aboriginal people have every reason to be pi ssed off on Australia Day.

    Nothing really changes except the faces. Meanwhile, the squalid concentration camps of NT, WA and Queensland where thousands of people have been dumped over the years continue to be underfunded and left to rot along with the people in them.

    Just look at that cr ap recently about so called waste in Aboriginal programs – what was it – 30 million or something. Meanwhile we pi ss away a billion dollars a year on ASIO and co to pretend to be James Bond and friends.

    It was a minor security incident that ended up going global because the Princess lost her shoe after tripping in her heels. Compared to what many of us wanted to do to Howard over those 12 long years it was very very minor.

  51. leone

    Geez Suzanne
    Your works of fantasy would have more effect if you bothered to get your facts straight.

    The ‘BS’ you refer to is Barbara Shaw, an aboriginal activist and a member of the Greens, not ‘a lady in Gillard’s spin office’. Ms Shaw has been accused of receiving information from an un-named source in Gillard’s office. Ms Shaw has admitted she told people at the tent embassy about Abbott’s comments and that Abbott was at The Lobby and has said she did not receive any information from anyone in Julia Gillard’s office, she says ‘a member of the public’ told her. Ray Hadley claims to have the name of the alleged staffer and will tell the PM if she asks. He knows she won’t bother, he knows his story is all lies designed to whip a bit bit of racist hatred amongst his red-neck listeners.

    You need better sources, the Daily Smelly and Ray Hadley aren’t exactly credible. Try to do better nest time you want to spread lies and rumours.

  52. Jimmy

    Simon Mansfield – “What he said otherwise was that things are just fine today in Australia for Aboriginal people and we can all just move on” No he said we should “move on” from something that was relevant 40 years ago but may not be relevant today. Now I am generally opposed to everyting Abbott has to say but the question of “What role does the embassy play in advancing Aboriginal people in 2012?” should be asked.

    “The Shoe being taken hostage was just a moment of levity in an otherwise emotionally charged day. ” Did this help the Aboriginal cause to be flippant with something so serious?

    “Aboriginal people have every reason to be pi ssed off on Australia Day.” Why? Aren’t they Australians? Isn’t Australia day about celebrating all that is good about this country? Yes 220 odd years ago their “country” was invaded but how long do you hold on to that?

    While I am not saying all is fine in “Aboriginal Land” and I do support ongoing funding at what point do we say “you need to start taking some opportunities”. Truancy is still ridiculously high for example, if you don’t value education can you really complain when job opportunities are restricted?

  53. Masters Jill

    Just look at that cr ap recently about so called waste in Aboriginal programs – what was it – 30 million or something. Meanwhile we pi ss away a billion dollars a year on ASIO and co to pretend to be James Bond and friends.

    veering to another anti-media jaunt, i’ll say some of the responsibility lies precisely there. i’m not sure anyone can argue against the fact that the media, quite often, sets the agenda for debate in this country. i mean, just cast your gaze to the current trending discussion. there won’t be a discussion of the over reaching powers of asio or whether the small fortune of money given to it is worth it, because both sides of politics, both sides of the media (and i’m referring to fairfax and news here) don’t want it, they don’t see anything wrong with it. indeed, i’m sure a large portion of them would like to funding increased and accountability decreased.

  54. shepherdmarilyn

    As we speak another racist white government is stealing aboriginal land in the guise of providing services that are provided to everyone else without stealing their land and Macklin is using aboriginal money to do it with.

    Nothing has changed in 230 years except new groups of migrants get more ignorant and racist.

    Abbott and Gillard have both had to migrate here, who are they to say that aborigines should move on.

    Nothing happened to anyone yesterday except at the hands of the cops.

    Meanwhile Gillard has babies jailed for life based on no reason at all.

  55. Jimmy

    Bob the Builder – Thanks for the definition and distinction. My follow up query would be if we went to “land rights” what implications does that have to land ownership in general and is “land rights” on a national scale even achievable?

  56. Brian62

    Amusing the Cinderella “loss of a slipper” media promoted focal point has a fairy tale ring for the leader of the opposition,at very least giving Tony(the Abominable No-man)Abbott the benefit of the doubt in what could only be described as a dubious sense of timing in the context of the “occasion ” it belies his innocence,Tony is always a shoe in when it comes to dog whistling and slippering away with media assistance,forgive me father because I no not what I do?, cue the head wobble.

  57. Masters Jill

    No he said we should “move on” from something that was relevant 40 years ago but may not be relevant today. Now I am generally opposed to everyting Abbott has to say but the question of “What role does the embassy play in advancing Aboriginal people in 2012?” should be asked.”

    i disagree. it was only in hindsight that he qualified his statements. given abbot’s views in general i have no doubt that he meant that aboriginal people, in general, “move on” from any ill feelings (i.e. to get over it). he never referenced anything of the original concerns of the tent embassy, never said anything at all about so called updating said concerns. all he said was that aboriginal people should “move on”, and in the absence of specifics, that can hardly be taken to mean anything other than they should all just “get over it”. also, in light of the rampage of comments from white people i can hardly agree that aboriginal people on the whole have garnered the respect which mr abbot thinks they have.

    also, given the high court battle from fortescue to strip certain aboriginal people (including elders) of their native title purely because they wont sign away their land, i think the concerns of the original tent embassy are just a valid now as they ever were.

  58. Masters Jill

    how the devil do i quote someone?

  59. davidk

    January 26 should be designated Invasion Day in my view, and the tent embassy remain until the gap is closed.

  60. Jimmy

    Masters Jill – “given the high court battle from fortescue to strip certain aboriginal people (including elders) of their native title purely because they wont sign away their land, i think the concerns of the original tent embassy are just a valid now as they ever were” I am not aware of the case but does the fact that it’s in the high court mean fortescue have lost at previous levels?

    And I would probably share your concerns if fortescue win, however just taking it to court doesn’t prove anything and if Fortescue actually lose what does that say about the embassy’s validity?

    “in light of the rampage of comments from white people i can hardly agree that aboriginal people on the whole have garnered the respect which mr abbot thinks they have. ” Do the actions of these individuals deserve respect?

    As for Abbott’s meanings, I heard them and interpretted them as quite benign, so did at least 2 aboriginal “leaders” so it isn’t exactly cut and dried.

  61. Masters Jill

    @JIMMY – “As for Abbott’s meanings, I heard them and interpretted them as quite benign, so did at least 2 aboriginal “leaders” so it isn’t exactly cut and dried.”

    quite. it was poorly handled from all party’s i think. lets hope everyone can “move on” from nitpicking the situation and look at a broader picture of how aboriginal people continue to be treated in modern australian society.

  62. 2dogs

    @ Chris Johnson:
    Thank you for the links, puts things into a more entertaining context.

    @ The boy Wonder (you know that it is you SB) and GeeWizz (now to be known as the Riddler).
    So I guess in your minds the links that Chris provided would be more proof that Gillard`s staff were behind stirring up those people at the Tent Embassy? Or, could it be that “it looks like” you were way off with your accusations (yet again).

  63. Jean

    Criticise them all you like, but I reckon the original invaders have got a point.

  64. Jimmy

    David K – “January 26 should be designated Invasion Day in my view” So nothing good has come from the arrival of “white people”? And how do you see the last 220 years playing out if the first fleet didn’t arrive? If aboriginals managed to be left to their own devices (ie no foreign settlement) what do you expect the “gap” would be?

    “the tent embassy remain until the gap is closed.” And how do you propose that is done?

  65. Brian62

    Alternative:Amusing the Cinderella “loss of a slipper” media promoted focal point has a fairy tale ring for the leader of the opposition,at very least giving Tony(the Abominable No-man)Abbott the benefit of the doubt in what could only be described as a dubious sense of timing in the context of the “occasion ” it belies his innocence,Tony is always a shoe in when it comes to dog whistling and slippering away with media assistance, the dreaded “Mr Creasote” explosion moment is palpable preceded by the head wobble.

  66. Bob the builder

    @ Jimmy
    Land rights in the NT sense only ever applied to unalienated crown land outside towns – i.e. no private ‘owners’ were ever affected – for the most part this meant pastoral leases. From memory the same applies to Native Title land (happy to be corrected though). Additionally, applicants had to demonstrate a connection to their land, a requirement tightened ridiculously in Native Title to ‘continuous connection’ very narrowly defined.
    The reason there was some measure of land justice in the NT (just over 50% of NT land is land rights land) is that much of the population was still living on or near their ancestral country and much of the land was crown land with – at the time – little value to the non-Indigenous population except pastoralists (on largely fairly marginal country). And a strong commitment from significant parts of the non-Indigenous population.
    Obviously the same kind of land rights isn’t feasible nationally as there isn’t the same extent of crown land (and many farmers on long-term Crown leases seem to have the strange belief that they ‘own’ the land) and in many areas connection to that land has been disrupted or severed.
    So, in the sense to date, national land rights isn’t achievable.
    But some land justice is possible and we should be walking together in good faith and finding out what is possible.
    Land as property is important across many if not most cultures and from that perspective the theft of land that created this land needs to be righted in a way that is acceptable to the dispossessed, not in a way defined by the thieves.
    However, for Indigenous people, land is much more important than property; even for Indigenous people that live very differently from how they did at first contact, connection to land is of a character that non-Indigenous people like me with many generations of life here and a strong feel for land still fail to fully understand. Land justice is the key to the spiritual healing of Indigenous people and of the shame that hangs over this country.
    None of this is easy, but it is important and far more productive than never-ending denial.
    We can walk together as one but we non-Indigenous people need to get off our ar**s and do some work.

  67. John64

    “Comments such as that from a man who wants to be prime minister were never going to go down well.”

    If the “never going to go down well” response to “I think it probably is time to move on from that” is to:
    1. Surround the PM and Opposition Leader.
    2. Bash on the glass (making those inside comment about its likelihood to break).
    3. Call out “Shame” and “Racist” (though quite how that comment is specifically racist is beyond me?)
    4. Then yell “Fuck you Abbott. Fuck you Gillard”. ( http://twitter.com/#!/_Tors/status/162475178075488256 )

    … then I think you have a problem with what you consider reasonable.

    “For many, it was seen as insensitive because things now are not much better than the 70s.”

    Things that have happened since the Tent Embassy was established:
    – Mabo.
    – Over-turning “terra nullius”.
    – Recognition of Aboriginal Land Rights in some areas (according to Wikipedia, 40% of the Northern Territory and most of its coastline is now owned by Aboriginals).
    – Recognition of – and funding for – Aboriginal sacred sites.
    – Mining companies now having to negotiate with traditional Aboriginal land owners.
    – Howard’s statement of deep and sincere regret.
    – Rudd’s Apology.
    – Discussion around recognising Aboriginals in Australia’s Constitution and changing it as appropriate.

    Congratulations! Your one day of over-reaction to a mild comment by someone who’s /NOT/ the Prime Minister of this country has probably – if not undone all of that – then certainly set the process back a couple of decades.

    Meanwhile, here are some “insensitive” and “racist” remarks made by Aboriginals on that same day:
    – “To hell with the governments and the courts.” (that same Government that apologised to them and those same courts that recognised their claim to land rights)
    – “What he said amounts to inciting racial riots”
    – Claims that staging an Australia Day ceremony close to the tent embassy was ‘provocation’. (So erm… A blanket ban on Australia Day events near the Nation’s Capital then?)
    – And now today, burning the Australian Flag.

    Does this entitle 1,000 crazy white people (a “minority” of course) to encircle the Tent Embassy chanting “Fuck off Aboriginals” as they bang on the sides?

  68. Peter Ormonde

    Gotta love this country sometimes… what better way to mark Australia Day than have the PM “rescued” and bundled off into waiting cars by the wallopers? Some traditions die hard… no matter how much flag waving goes on.

  69. Arthur Bell

    “The Shoe being taken hostage was just a moment of levity in an otherwise emotionally charged day. ” Did this help the Aboriginal cause to be flippant with something so serious? JIMMY,

    This is what is being missed by most, the vast majority of Aboriginal People don’t take these grandstanding, self and media promoted and appointed, so called, leaders and representatives and or their one-dimensional agendas, seriously at all. In fact we think see these issues or people as part of a “Big Joke”. And in general, we will not engage with them and their or their politics. Many are self-delusional and grasping at straws in support of their self proclaimed leadership. Most of the “protesters” would have been there for a day out and just got caught up in the hypola of it all.

  70. David Hand

    Whatever spin you want to put on it, the protesters are an embarrassment to their cause. And this article is a classic example of the sanitising efforts an organ like Crikey and its contributors put on to try to justify a totally unjustifiable act.

    But it’s great to know we’ve got the truthful insight of Amy, a person who is there, in contrast to the evil sensationalist TV people and their distortions.

    By the way Amy, when you say “Today, the tent embassy is also peaceful. Children are playing……. It is not the angry, riotous place portrayed on your television screens this morning.” could you tell us if the flag burning was part of a children’s game or was it a group of actors recruited by the evil media to make you and your “500 peaceful people having a conversation” look bad?

  71. Bob the builder

    @JIMMY (again!)
    Your reference to (closing) ‘the gap’ is a good reminder of the flawed urban-progressive bias behind this inherently racist exercise.
    Materially, Indigenous people were far ‘behind’ the arriving Europeans and without our arrival would doubtlessly be at a similar material level. So what?
    Intellectually they were far ahead and in terms of equality, autonomy, leisure time and general happiness they were far ahead of Europeans of the day and current Australian norms. I spend most of my time at the moment in a remote NT Indigenous community with many elements of traditional life still strong, especially social organisation and intellectual traditions. The complexity and richness of social relations leave my own culture in the dust as does the level of nuanced intellectual inquiry. Materially it’s unimpressive, health is terrible and life is full of pressures related to the clash of cultures. Life is heavily and daily dominated by government policy and employees, yet their is a truly humbling generosity of spirit and wish to ‘work together as one’ to find a future acceptable to both cultures.

    … and then I get on the net and what a different attitude – from both ‘sides’ of the debate.

    Come on people! This is more important than posturing and point-scoring – use this energy to work together!

  72. davidk

    @ Jimmy
    Calling Jan 26 a day of celebration for all Australians while not acknowledging the dispossession of the original inhabitants is quite reprehensible I think and only manages to reinforce the festering abcess at the heart of our nation that originated with terra nullius. Saying things would be terrible anyway is no excuse for the original crime.

  73. Arthur Bell

    As for the “invasion day” and “close the gap” issues, the “vast majority” of us Blackfellas couldn’t give a “continental fruck” ! Sovereignty ? again, most of us Blackfellas wouldn’t know what it was and are “not interested” ! All this stuff is in the realm of the Aboriginal Victim Industry” ( AVI ) many are people “left over” from the past, and they won’t let go because there is “big money” still to be had ! Yes we have moved on and we will continue to do so with or without the AVI.

  74. gee jay

    The police should arrest Shaw, Anderson, and other leaders and charge them with treason. The white middle class bums festering at the corroboree should be cleared with water canons.

    Constitutional Referendum? ROFLMAO. This mob couldn’t organise a bunyip in a billabong

  75. GeeWizz

    [“January 26 should be designated Invasion Day in my view, and the tent embassy remain until the gap is closed.”]

    To those who are so ashamed to be white in this stolen land of ours, why aren’t you leading by example and packing your bags and leaving?

    Oh thats right… because you are leftwing hypocrits who are too gutless to put your words into actions.

    You know it to be true.

  76. davidk

    @ Arthur
    I take your point and don’t mean to foster a sense of victimhood. I do think however that only demonstrable action to redress the overwhelming disadvantage that exists for you blackfellas will enable the nation to move on.

  77. Bob the builder

    @ Gee Jay, who someone gets past the moderators while my boring comments about land rights legislation doesn’t.

    What grounds for treason would you charge them with?

    This is what the relevant act says:

    A person commits an offence, called treason, if the person:
    (a) causes the death of the Sovereign, the heir apparent of the Sovereign, the consort of the Sovereign, the Governor-General or the Prime Minister; or
    (b) causes harm to the Sovereign, the Governor-General or the Prime Minister resulting in the death of the Sovereign, the Governor-General or the Prime Minister; or
    (c) causes harm to the Sovereign, the Governor-General or the Prime Minister, or imprisons or restrains the Sovereign, the Governor-General or the Prime Minister; or
    (d) levies war, or does any act preparatory to levying war, against the Commonwealth; or
    (e) engages in conduct that assists by any means whatever, with intent to assist, an enemy:
    (i) at war with the Commonwealth, whether or not the existence of a state of war has been declared; and
    (ii) specified by Proclamation made for the purpose of this paragraph to be an enemy at war with the Commonwealth; or
    (f) engages in conduct that assists by any means whatever, with intent to assist:
    (i) another country; or
    (ii) an organisation;
    that is engaged in armed hostilities against the Australian Defence Force; or
    (g) instigates a person who is not an Australian citizen to make an armed invasion of the Commonwealth or a Territory of the Commonwealth; or
    (h) forms an intention to do any act referred to in a preceding paragraph and manifests that intention by an overt act.”
    A person is not guilty of treason under paragraphs (e), (f) or (h) if their assistance or intended assistance is purely humanitarian in nature.

    Unless the ‘enemy’ is the original inhabitants of this country, I can see no grounds for treason.

    Could you clarify?

  78. Bohemian

    This had all the hallmarks of a put-up job to me. Protestors that looked awfully like agent provocateurs, media all over the shop just in case something happened, Feds with riot gear on a lazy afternoon, a a tip-off, the selection of a point of incitement a mere 200 metres from a demonstration and of course more replays than 9/11.

    To me this looked like the matching event to go with the new haircut ushered in with a new level of statesmanship and magnanimity shown by the current PM to her nemesis, well superficially at least. All too pat for this little black duck so I am going short on a nose job and a 45 minute workout six days a week up to the next election.

  79. Suzanne Blake

    @ GeeWizz

    Correct, left wingers, who sit back and want the government to provide everything, for free.

  80. shepherdmarilyn

    And Arthur Bell you don’t either

  81. Peter Ormonde

    Ah Mr Builder, you are trying to insert some sense into this “discussion”. Good luck with that.

    The forces of propriety, decency and niceness are outraged – no OUTRAGED – and appalled by the behaviour of these traitorious hoodlums and their children. And the shoe – the shoe – well that just sealed it dinnit? The Prime Minister’s own footwear fer chrissakes! Is nothing sacred??? To see her sling-backs being passed around like some sort of tribal trophy! The shame of it all.

    Obviously they have no respect for laura norder and the national spirit de jour of just putting up with stuff without whinging. You don’t hear the forces of niceness wimpering on about being lied to and gypped does ya?

    Not really Orstrayans at all these blackfellas … not really like us at all.

  82. John Passant

    ‘Oh no, black people are protesting. Call in the white cops.’ It was ever thus.

    Stop the media lynching.

    It wasn’t a wild protest. It wasn’t a riot. It wasn’t thuggery.

    Those false accusations are examples of the constant racist stereotyping by the one percent and their media and part of the wider agenda to deepen even further the oppression of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people.

    ACT Police have said there will be no arrests.

    No arrests. Why not? Because there was no criminal activity.

    For a more balanced report (than the MSM, not Amy’s great report in Tracker and Crikey) read my article ‘It is right to be angry; it is right to protest – Land rights now!’ on my blog En Passant with John Passant.

    Here is a link. http://enpassant.com.au/?p=12131

  83. Peter Ormonde

    Oh yes … thank heavens Crikey you’ve finally tapped a Koori voice to talk about this stuff. Bout time – there’s lots of articulate capable Aboriginal journalists and commentators about. More please. Perhaps a regular feature or blog?

  84. Patriot

    Spare a thought for the poor old half-castes. They have to feel both ashamed and guilty for invading, and aggrieved for being invaded and mistreated. On the other hand, they don’t need a white person to apologise to them. They can just apologise to themself.

  85. gee jay

    There are hardly even any half-castes nowadays. Australian Aborigines have been the most prolific “out-breeders” of any group on earth for a couple of centuries now. That’s why we get all these 1/16th carpetbaggers banging on all the time.

  86. Whistleblower

    How much longer do we have to put up with layabout thugs causing continuing violent protests. How many of them actually have jobs? How many of them are just professional agitators abusing their claimed ethnicity as the excuse for antisocial behaviour. Whatever happened two hundred years ago in terms of so-called dispossession is nothing different to what has happened thousands of times in history. Nobody alive today is responsible for what happened two hundred years ago. These idiots need to move on.

    If aboriginals are living in “Third World conditions”, who do they have to blame but themselves. There is no significant impediment to integration into mainstream Australian society, and many aboriginals have undertaken this step. Furthermore there are extensive assistance programs available to aboriginals which are not available to the rest of the community. Aboriginals are marginalised by choice not by discrimination. Thousands of people are clamouring to get into the country and even paying thousands of dollars to people smugglers to get in. However they are not going to go and sit in the middle of the desert and expect social welfare and health services to come to them. Successful integration requires language and skill acquisition, as well that is a desire to work and integrate into mainstream society.

    The key to solving the aboriginal problem is for activists to facilitate skill acquisition by their people and integration into the overall community, producing a net economic output rather than the massive social security drain that currently exists. However this will not happen if activists insist on adopting confrontation tactics and assuming the mantle of victimhood.

  87. klewso

    But isn’t it lucky we had the media there?
    For the protestors to use the opportunity to do what they did and boost their profile – while a few hot-heads put “the cause”, for the rest, back years.
    Not to mention the boost for “the media”, able to edit what happened to suit their respective narratives – laid dormant for so long.
    The likes of those “Sunbeams for Rightness” (like “Bolt’s Nuts”, “Ray’s Ravers”, “Murdoch’s Munchkins” and “Gloria’s Gherkins”) will be able to take this and make their usual balloon animals out of it, complete with hot-air.
    And Abbott was “misinterpreted” – with his record with words, not to mention his predilection for stirring the possum – again?
    But then again I’m not of Aboriginal blood, so I don’t know how they’d feel about the way they’ve been treated in this country – maybe they do deserve more respect? They were here before us. So if we’re going to stay, why not look at what they want – rather than tell them what they deserve and get upset when they reject our paternalism. Take some of this heat of misunderstanding out of the equation? Sure it might mean muzzling these “media mastiffs” (gnawing at this bone, prospering on it, on both sides) long enough to hear what’s being said – a small price for peace?
    I’m just glad Japan or some other power didn’t do the same to “us” as we did to them – some of us would resent that.
    (As for “Intervention”? Behind in the polls/not consulting with elders/not consulting with the authors of “Little Children are Sacred” while using their findings as an excuse to send in the cavalry, with their media caravan, again ……..? “Not a political stunt”?)

  88. negativegearmiddleclasswelfarenow.com

    Shiva Naipaul wrote in his book An Unfinished Journey (1986) this about the state of Aboriginal and settler affairs :-

    ‘No harm is done if the settler kingdom should experience the tremors of anxiety and see its own past in a different, less than heroic light.

    Self knowledge may be alarming but without it we remain in a state of arrested development, prey to spurious vanities not worth the cost of the ink and the stone used to celebrate them.’

    Still still prey to those same vanities 26 years later.

  89. Suzanne Blake

    @ JIMMY

    YOU FOOL.

    Did you see ABC News. They just sacked staffer in PM office for tipping off Tent Embassy people as to where Abbott was.

    See Gillard caught out as a trouble maker and trying to create friction between Aborigines and non Aborigines.

  90. GeeWizz

    theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/reports-the-prime-ministers-office-encouraged-protesters-to-target-tony-abbott-over-tent-embassy/story-fn59niix-1226255650827

    [”
    A JUNIOR adviser to Julia Gillard has resigned after revealing Tony Abbott’s presence at an Australia Day function yesterday in a move that sparked a violent protest by Aboriginal activists.

    Media adviser Tony Hodges was forced to stand aside after the “error of judgment”, the Prime Minister’s office confirmed tonight.

    It said Mr Hodges informed a “stakeholder” of Mr Abbott’s attendance at an Australia Day function with Ms Gillard, and the information was subsequently passed on to members of the Aboriginal tent embassy.”]

    There needs to be a royal inquiry.

    Was this arranged by Dillard to win media points?

  91. Suzanne Blake

    SMH – Gillard left red-faced after Abbott leak

    A Prime Ministerial staffer has been linked to yesterday’s ugly protest incident in Canberra, forcing his resignation and acutely embarrassing PM Julia Gillard.

    In an early evening statement, the Prime Minister dismissed as ‘false’ claims that one of her staff had spoken to people at the Aboriginal Tent Embassy prior to yesterday’s angry protest that temporarily trapped her and Opposition Leader Tony Abbott.

    But Ms Gillard acknowledges that a member of her media unit ‘did call another individual yesterday and disclose the presence of the Opposition Leader at the Lobby restaurant. This information was subsequently passed on to a member of the Aboriginal Tent Embassy.’

    The Prime Minister says the media officer did not ‘suggest or encourage violence’ but that his action ‘was an error of judgement. As such, the staff member’s resignation has been accepted.’

    The officer concerned is Tony Hodges, one of four advisers working in Julia Gillard’s media “SPIN” unit.

    The link is deeply embarrassing for the Prime Minister and leaves her shouldering some of the blame for yesterday’s security scare.

  92. gee jay

    These ’embassy’ Indigenous Peoples’s leaders must be so gullible. Talk about who really needs to take a two semester course in ‘Cultural Competencies’s’. Referendum? Sovereignty? ROFLMAO. Couldn’t organise a bunyip in a billabong.

  93. Bob the builder

    Crikey moderators – you allow racial hatred but ‘moderate’ quiet comment? I believe it’s more incompetence than malice, but your practices are encouraging the kind of shallow, vicious debate on this page.
    The kind of mindless mud-slinging going on here is a disgrace – I’m all for robust, colourful debate but meaningless fact-free hatred gets no-one anywhere.
    Get your act together!

  94. Patriot

    Gillard herself has some serious questions to answer regarding how much she knew, if anything. Don’t hold your breath but. We know how slowly Labor investigate their own.

  95. GeeWizz

    Questions
    1. When did she find out about her staffer leaking the comments?

    2. What did she do about her staffer leaking comments when she found out?

    3. Was this all pre-plan as a publicity stunt?

    4. Will the Indies and Wilkie now stand and vote NO CONFIDENCE in this lying PM?

  96. Suzanne Blake

    @ Patriot

    Gillard knew yesterday, so did everyone in Labor who fronts the media. That why NONE of them came out yesterday and today to attack Abbott.

    Gillard was hoping it would blow over.

    This morning she denied any knowledge. Is this another lie?

  97. Bob the builder

    From ‘ban the blacks’ to ‘it’s all a Labor plot’ didn’t take too long.
    Meanwhile no-one wants to talk calmly about the real issues.

  98. Suzanne Blake

    @ Bob the builder

    The REAL issue here is that Gillard’s office has WILFULLY incited racial violence and on Australia Day.

    Should the AFP be called in?

  99. GeeWizz

    This is bigger than Watergate.

    Gillard has to resign now

  100. gee jay

    Bob, mate, it’s pretty clear that you’re out of your depth on the issues involved here. In which case, why don’t you just sit this one out, pay attention, learn, and then maybe contribute. Slogans alone simply doesn’t cut it.

  101. Patriot

    Yes, the damage she’s doing to the reputation of our democracy could take a generation to repair. Her position is untenable. She must resign.

  102. gee jay

    It’s now very obvious why Gillard was so quick to include Tony Abbott in her rescue. She knew this was going to happen before they even arrived at the restaurant. Time to call Judge Mordy?

  103. Schnappi

    @SUZANNE BLAKE<
    Why is tony hodges error of judgement any fault of the PM,he only said where abbott was ,just like abbotts staff keep tabs on the PM,your lofty horse is filled with hate instead of common sense.
    Besides hearing from the person hodges told the tent city heard from other media and word of mouth the city reeks with news ,leaks and rumours so get real.
    Still does not excuse abbottss poor choice of a day to spruik what his minders told him to say.
    Do not understand why you hate another female so much.
    Also in advance as I have said before my vote is for the Stable Population Party,that wants to curtail immigration due to lack of water and infrastucture etc.

  104. Bob the builder

    Dear Trolls,

    @ Suzanne
    The real issue is media manipulation of events.
    I think the AFP was called in – you might have noticed them yelling at invisible people and pushing journalists around.

    @ Geewizz
    Too ridiculous to even respond to.

    @ Gee Jay
    Too devoid of content to respond to. Just some sub-editing assistance “don’t cut it” not “doesn’t cut it”. Also, a question requires a question mark “?” at the end, not a full stop.

  105. michael crook

    Some of these comments are very disturbing, the level of racism implicit in them is scary to say the least. Worst of all, this is on crikey! What is happening here?

  106. shepherdmarilyn

    Wow, hadley was right

  107. GeeWizz

    Hey Bob…. it must be SPIN CITY down there at Labor Headquarters!

    LOL this is the best thing to happen all week… you guys are gonna be working overtime trying to pull Gillard out of this sh1tstorm. Good luck… keep the coffee warm, it’s gonna be a long night

  108. Suzanne Blake

    @ Schnappi

    Gillard’s Office has incited racial violence and on Australia Day.

    She knew yesterday, which is why you did not see any Labor Ministers or MP blaming Abbott. Come one, blind Freddie could not miss that opportunity. He called them and said that Abbott has said this and that in Sydney.

    To answer your question “Do not understand why you hate another female so much.” cause she is an embassment, a proven li ar and the worst PM since McMahon.

    I do agree with you on the water and infrastructure though.

    @ Bob The Builder

    Media manipulation – you lefties never take it on the chin. The media did nothing, it was Gillards Media Advisor.

  109. GeeWizz

    [“Some of these comments are very disturbing, the level of racism implicit in them is scary to say the least. Worst of all, this is on crikey! What is happening here?”]

    Get over the imagined r4cism… we are onto GillardGATE now

  110. AR

    Surely the tabloids’ “shoe hostage” was an homage to the ‘sandal’ skit in Life of Brian?

  111. gee jay

    How will this play out? Could it be possible that the Prime Minister has conspired with Barbara Shaw and Michael Anderson to commit treason? Time for popcorn.

  112. Suzanne Blake

    For you Guys and Girls in the ALP Spin Office. Here is the Zifferelli Pizza number. They close at 10pm tonight.

    Gillard likes anchovie on the supreme.

    Ph (02) 6262 5500
    Fax (02) 6248 8855

  113. Suzanne Blake

    @ shepherdmarilyn

    Hadley was also right about Gillards Cash for Comments Climate Scientist, who lives at Copa Point on the Hawkesbury

  114. geomac

    So the event attended by the PM and Abbott was a secret from the media , the public and the recipients being recognised for their efforts ? Am I to take it the protesters were bribed , coerced or otherwise encouraged to cause a stir against their will ? How can some of the posters even suggest their blatantly biased statements and expect to be taken seriously much less lightly ?
    I was interested in an observation by one though regarding what happened 200 years ago . I take it that poster would regard the 2000 year tenuous claim by Israelis with equal contempt .
    Even Peta and pedal wouldn,t concoct the stunt suggested , not even Hockey of the childish cardboard cutout mania .

  115. Bob the builder

    @ Gee Whizz
    I apologise to veering into the tricky territory of facts, but I’ve provided you from the relevant legislation on treason.
    Which type of treason do you think was committed (defined by the law of Australia, not an emotional ‘feeling’ about what treason means)?

  116. gee jay

    Bob, mate, I say this with compassion, but why don’t you try reading the legislation yourself? Slowly, as you clearly didn’t get it before you posted it.

  117. GeeWizz

    Hey Suzanne,

    Did you notice there were heaps more riot police at this function than there were protestors?

    If you watch the video footage there was only around 10 at most rabble rousers, yet they had riot shields and a few dozen police at the ready.

    All very dramatic… and all very scripted

  118. Mal White

    I am not against more land rights for indigenous communities.

    However Australia should focus on “human rights” instead of “land rights”.

    In the town of Halls Creek WA (pop 1300) approx 30% of the children are born with permanent brain damage from FASD (mothers drinking heavily during pregnancy).
    This is despite ample warnings from the health clinic, such is the tragedy of alcohol addiction.

    The “human rights” of these poor children have been abused in the most shocking way. This is everyone’s problem.

    Unfortunately more land rights will do little to solve the problem as these people already have access to their land but choose to live in town instead.

    The indigenous rights movement focus on the wrong things.

    (Hopefully recent alcohol restrictions have helped improve things in Halls Creek)

  119. gee jay

    Mal

    They’ve got more land rights than the rest of us. Why don’t they go to the real estate agent and buy some bloody land, like the rest of us!?

  120. geomac

    BOB THE BUILDER
    Don,t expect a cogent answer Bob because its never going to be issued from those clowns . I have to admit I did have a chuckle at some of their comments because of the bizarre nature . I can almost see them salivating at the hope of gaining traction but like so many of their wild and inaccurate ravings it all comes to nought . Still while they pump out their posts someone is getting relief from their poisonous attention , local school teacher or local councillor perhaps .

  121. gee jay

    Try being a Chinese or Indian Australian and getting “native title”! ROFL/

  122. Suzanne Blake

    @ geomac

    LOL. Why do you think Gillard was so concerned for Abbott’s safety. She knew where the tip off came from. She also as a lawyer knew that if anything happened to him, and the tip off revealed (which it has), then manslaughter charges could have arisen.

    That is bigger than Watergate.

  123. Suzanne Blake

    @ GeeWizz

    The riot Police must have been forwarned. You never see them around a PM, unless trouble expected, like when the Labor MP (Combet etc) rammed Parliament House or GetUp is involved around election time.

  124. gee jay

    Should be surprised that the author of this post has gone quiet?

  125. geomac

    SB
    It must be a strange life where the idea of doing something because it is the right or reasonable thing to do is a foreign concept . Thanks for the laugh from you and your other monikers but getting tedious now and tennis might be worth watching .

  126. Bob the builder

    Trollwatch

    @ Gee Jay
    You can’t seem to understand or respond to simple questions regarding Australian legislation about treason. Now you appear not to understand the basics of Native Title.
    ROFL indeed.

    @ Suzanne Blake
    Watergate involved the government burgling the opposition’s headquarters with the assistance of the intelligence services and the full involvement of the head of state, then a denial and full scale cover-up.
    Yesterday a staffer apparently told some people that the leader of the opposition was at a public function up the road.
    Could you explain how the latter is bigger than the former?

  127. Suzanne Blake

    @ Geomac

    I dont want to destroy your weekend. But this incident could be the end of Gillard.

    The media fallout, not even she will handle with the teflon coat. People will see that she knew yesterday and this morning and did not tell the trust AGAIN.

    Terminal Geomac, my dear boy

  128. Suzanne Blake

    @ Bob The Builder.

    I will give it to you in point for so you grasp it.

    1. Gillards Office tips off tent embassy as to Abbotts whereabouts
    2. Gillards Office tells the tent embassy a lie as to what he said in Sydney that morning

    3. Someone in Gillards camp or Gillard herself call in Riot Police, in case of issues, and so she can show up Abbott for sparking racial violence

    4. When it hits the fan, penny drops with Gillard that if anything happens to Abbott (injury, de ath etc) then any inquiry could be sheeted home to her office.

    5. Gillards Office has incited racial violence on Australia Day.

    6. Remains to be seen if Gillard li ed to media yesterday and today on whether he office alerted tend embassy.

    Comprehendi

    This is the biggest incident to hit the PM’s office in Australia EVER.

  129. Peter Ormonde

    CRIKEY!!!!

    I DEMAND A LARGER TYPE FACE SO THAT THE FULL STRENGTH OF OUTRAGE AND OVERWHELMING SENSE OF APPALLINGNESS FELT BY OUR CHAMPIONS OF PROPRIETY CAN BE ADEQUATELY CONVEYED TO YOUR LESS EDJERKATED READERSHIP WOT CAN’T NOT UNNERSTAN THEIR BIG WORDS.

    THIS IS BIG …. NO BIG … YES REALLY REALLY BIG – BIGGER THAN AFGHANISTAN – BIGGER THAN BOAT PEOPLE – BIGGER THAN TROUSERS THOMSON… BIGGER THAN WATERGATE … BIGGER THAN 9/11. IT’S THE BIGGEST THING ANYONE HAS EVER SEEN. EVER. ANYONE. EVER.

    IT’S A PLOT AND A CONSPIRACY. IT’S A CRIME AND IT’S DISLOYAL. IT INSULTS THE QUEEN. IT IS A SLAP IN THE FACE TO ALL RIGHT THINKING PERSONS. IT’S HUMUNGOUS!!!!!

    EVERYONE MUST RESIGN . NOW. EVERYONE. NOW.

    Sorry … just getting caught up in the zeitgeist.

    Bring back Leviticus! Stone them. Stone them!

  130. Whistleblower

    Now we know that Gillard’s office was directly involved in leaking information about Tony Abbott’s presence at this function 400 m from the tent embassy where a couple of thousand activists would be busy working themselves up into an orgiastic frenzy on” stolen” day I smell a giant rat even more gross than the ” lying rat” displaced by Kevin 07.

    Applying Occam’s razor to the proposition, one is forced to one of two inescapable conclusion, either gross functional incompetence of the worst possible kind, or a deliberate campaign from the Prime Minister’s office to cause mischief.

    If Gillard had no knowledge of this conspiracy or functional incompetence, she should not be Prime Minister. If she had knowledge of this conspiracy or functional competence she also should not be Prime Minister.

    “Cinderella”losing her shoe will go down in Australian history as an even bigger stuff up and monumental embarrassment than Malcolm Fraser losing his trousers. Unfortunately we do not know the identity of the “ugly sisters”in this gross fairytale, although Tony Abbott is looking more like Prince Charming by comparison.

  131. Bob the builder

    @SUZANNE BLAKE

    I could suggest a few scandals bigger than this (largely unproven) event:

    1. Attempted exclusion of Egon Kisch
    2. Petrov affair
    3. Khemlani Affair
    4. Kelly sports rorts (tame by current standards)
    5. Tony Abbott’s Australians for Honest Politics Trust scam
    6. Children overboard affair
    7. Cornelia Rau affair
    8. AWB oil for wheat scandal
    9. Muhamed Haneef affair
    10. Utegate

    And many, many more, none of which compare to Watergate, but all of which are far more serious than what allegedly occurred yesterday.

    So that I have the satisfaction of you actually responding to anything I write, could you please hysterically abuse me and completely ignore the substance of everything I have said?

  132. Suzanne Blake

    @ Bob the builder

    Sorry to drag you out of your sandpit or Childhood DVD.

    But THIS is bigger

    1. Inciting Racial Violence on Australia Day. (Straight Flush mate)

    2. Denying – pattern developing here.

    3. About face when the name is revealed.

    4. Mentioning that he just told thm were Abbott was, and forgetting to mention the story they spread of what he didn’t say.

  133. Bob the builder

    Cheers Suzanne for doing as I asked. Most gratifying. Better luck on the spelling next time. And the grammar the time after.

  134. outside left

    Peter Ormonde, wonderful! Did you take a breath during that?

  135. Peter Ormonde

    Now speaking of things treasonous and seditious Sooz, I see you are still using your brutally butchered Union Jack in the flag-draped map you claim as an avatar.

    Getting the Kimberly coastline right is not so important as sweeping Scotland or Wales from Our Empire.

    If you persist in this unrepentant iconoclasm I shall bring your sinister behaviour to the attention of Betty Sachs Coburg Gotta von Battenburg herself. I think drawing and quartering is still on the books. Let’s all hope so.

    BIG … NO REALLY REALLY BIG …. SHE’S GOTTA GO… THEY ALL HAVE TO GO …. NOW. THIS IS SO EXCITING… MORE TOWELS CARRUTHERS!

  136. GLJ

    but Peter Ormonde its even bigger than THAT!

  137. Suzanne Blake

    Interesting that the Lefties are MIA on this issue.

    Maybe they are flat out in the Gillard media / spin office tonight!!!!

  138. gee jay

    Time to burn the Aboriginal flag and stop the dole payments of the embassy bums. Everyone’s had enough of the frauds.

  139. Bob the builder

    @ Suzanne
    I think it’s more interesting to see what type of people having nothing better to do on a Friday night than type furious froth into their computer.

  140. gee jay

    Suzanne, No they’re all freaking out in fear of a huge cutback in government grants to the leftist race-baiters. These people have a lot of their income reliant on never-ending ‘racism panic’.

  141. Suzanne Blake

    @ Bob The Builder

    Nope. They are shell shocked. They know this is the end of Gillard. The Caucus will start doing its homework.

    Its terminal for Gillard, whose BEST poll ranking is still below Rudd’s WORST!!!!

    The faceless men, will have their butts kicked as well. Another Faulkiner enquiry.

    Swan, Albanese and the rest may need real jobs…

    What comes around goes around……

  142. Bob the builder

    @ Gee Jay
    Question – could you provide some examples and evidence?
    Answer – please say something ad hominem about me or about Indigenous people or ‘leftists’ in general. Avoid answering the question completely.

  143. Suzanne Blake

    @ gee jay

    Interesting to see what Simon Sheik has to say about this. My guess is he will be in hiding, waiting for the shelling to stop completely.

    Did you love him in the background of the Pokies Wilkie crowd in Melbourne last week….opportunist.

  144. Patriot

    All the photographers and film crews she arranged to be present for this stunt will be her undoing. People will be going over all footage and photographs as we type. People will be identified. And then there are emails and phone records. Mark my words, this could end with Chairperson Gillard in gaol.

  145. gee jay

    Indigenous people!!!??

    WTF? Racist! They are not all the same. They are our diverse Indigenous Peoples’s. You have NO Cultural Competencies’s. Time you were sent to Indigenous Peoples’s Cultural Competencies’s Classeses.

  146. Suzanne Blake

    @ Patriot

    As I said the Gillard Media Spin room has 30 minutes to order the pizza from the local for the evening.

    I bet they are shredding records as we speak. Hawker Brittain, Mr Bruce Hawker himself called in to sort this out before the journo start in the morning.

    Its is now almost certain this guarantees Gillard is gone. Unrecoverable.

    Inciting Racism on Australia Day. Burning the Flag episode.

    Its just what Australia needs so we can have an election and see an end to this reckless waste and mismanagement.

  147. Peter Ormonde

    Don’t suppose I can lure any of you spittle flecked patriots into a small wager on this HUMUNGOUS event at all? Gillard gone in two weeks? Three? Gaol? (I’ll even give odds for that one)… anything at all?

    All these people standing in a circle … all giving each other soggy pockets.

    One’s gotta laugh at their silliness yes… their silly iggnerant Olde Worlde ideas and their shivers of self-sourced excitement ….. a little pack of chihuahuas baying for blood. Yap Yap Yap.

  148. Schnappi

    @SB,
    Simple fact is there would have been no protest without abbott saying what he did.

  149. Bob the builder

    @Suzanne
    I hate to pin you down to any actual facts or specific statements, but could you please state the timeframe for Gillard’s departure, including a maximum period?
    If you’re not prepared to say anything specific, please say so.

  150. Bob the builder

    @ Jimmy
    Land rights in the NT sense only ever applied to unalienated crown land outside towns – i.e. no private ‘owners’ were ever affected – for the most part this meant pastoral leases. From memory the same applies to Native Title land (happy to be corrected though). Additionally, applicants had to demonstrate a connection to their land, a requirement tightened ridiculously in Native Title to ‘continuous connection’ very narrowly defined.
    The reason there was some measure of land justice in the NT (just over 50% of NT land is land rights land) is that much of the population was still living on or near their ancestral country and much of the land was crown land with – at the time – little value to the non-Indigenous population except pastoralists (on largely fairly marginal country). And a strong commitment from significant parts of the non-Indigenous population.
    Obviously the same kind of land rights isn’t feasible nationally as there isn’t the same extent of crown land (and many farmers on long-term Crown leases seem to have the strange belief that they ‘own’ the land) and in many areas connection to that land has been disrupted or severed.
    So, in the sense to date, national land rights isn’t achievable.
    But some land justice is possible and we should be walking together in good faith and finding out what is possible.
    Land as property is important across many if not most cultures and from that perspective the theft of land that created this land needs to be righted in a way that is acceptable to the dispossessed, not in a way defined by the thieves.
    However, for Indigenous people, land is much more important than property; even for Indigenous people that live very differently from how they did at first contact, connection to land is of a character that non-Indigenous people like me with many generations of life here and a strong feel for land still fail to fully understand. Land justice is the key to the spiritual healing of Indigenous people and of the shame that hangs over this country.
    None of this is easy, but it is important and far more productive than never-ending denial.
    We can walk together as one but we non-Indigenous people need to get off our ar**s and do some work.

  151. Suzanne Blake

    @ Peter Ormonde (hope you have the tissues handy)

    Gillard is gone, it may take a week, two, three, who knows. The powerful ALP machines will spin the wheels and work out the best time. They have Queensland election to consider. Maybe they throw out the garbage during the Olympics!!.

    The only suggy pockets, is the top one of the lefties who have seen a huge wave deluge their sand castles.

    Even you need to agree – this is a dea th blow. Not a mild mistake…

  152. Suzanne Blake

    @ Schnappi

    He said nothing – that Gillards Office attributed him with?

    @ Bob – I already answered that

  153. Patriot

    If it is proven that she was knowingly concerned in inciting a race riot and an attack on Mr Abbott then she should be gaoled. It would be a despicable abuse of the Office of Prime Minister, but that should surprise nobody. Just read the material produced by the Socialist Forum during her membership regarding subversion of the Labor party and our parliament with a view to imposing socialism. She is not a politician, but a socialist political saboteur!

  154. Peter Ormonde

    Soggy Sooz soggy not suggy. I know you’re excited but do try not to forget the spelling.

    Tell you what – I’ll make it easy: $100 says we see nothing whatsoever happen in two weeks. No scalps, no gaol, nothing whatsoever

    Any of you? Any at all?

    Onanists the lot of yers.

  155. Schnappi

    @SB,
    There would have been NO Protest if abbott had said Nothing.

  156. Son of foro

    Suzanne Blake
    Posted Thursday, 24 November 2011 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    You are all missing the point here and its smacking you in the face.
    Why would Jenkins resign today and days ago, when they could have used his vote to push the mining tax through with less concessions to the independants?
    It is because Gillard has been tipped off that the Victorian and NSW Police are about to lay charges in the HSU case, and they cannot take the risk of being one down when they pick a new speaker. The by-election would not be held until after Parliament resumes.

    Suzanne Blake
    Posted Friday, 25 November 2011 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

    Labor will be back to a majority of 1 before Parliament reconvenes anyway

  157. Bob the builder

    @ Suzanne
    Your best bet is – “Gillard is gone … who knows”
    Would you be prepared to state unequivocally that Gillard will be gone before our sun has a gravitational collapse, or is that still too pedantic?

  158. Son of foro

    [What comes around goes around……]

    That’s either a brilliant subversion of the English language that expertly captures the frisson of today’s events, or …

  159. Suzanne Blake

    @ Son of Foro

    Author: Son of foro
    Comment:
    Suzanne Blake
    Posted Thursday, 24 November 2011 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    You are all missing the point here and its smacking you in the face.
    Why would Jenkins resign today and days ago, when they could have used his vote to push the mining tax through with less concessions to the independants?
    It is because Gillard has been tipped off that the Victorian and NSW Police are about to lay charges in the HSU case, and they cannot take the risk of being one down when they pick a new speaker. The by-election would not be held until after Parliament resumes.

    Suzanne Blake
    Posted Friday, 25 November 2011 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

    Labor will be back to a majority of 1 before Parliament reconvenes anyway

    Yes I was right, majority of 1, (but wrong reason…so far) but could be 0 if the Thompson thing materialises in the next week or so.

  160. Suzanne Blake

    @ Peter Ormonde

    Impossible to bet on Political witchhunts, back stabbing, axings, its like Dam Busters. You have a crack, a leak, slow flow, medium flow, and deluge.

    It all takes time.

    But it is terminal for Gillard, that is for sure. No credibility, no trust….

    Abbot is not the solution either mind you.

  161. Patriot

    I’ll tell you when she’s gone if you’ll me when climate change is going to kill us all. Seriously, I give her 8 weeks tops. This disgraceful charade will spark another poll slide and Rudd will gain enough reluctant support within the party to make his move.

  162. Suzanne Blake

    @ Patriot

    They wont axe her before the Queensland poll. Its will be a NSW landslide

    I bet Anna Blight is reaching for sleeping tablets tonight!!!!

  163. Son of foro

    [Yes I was right, majority of 1, (but wrong reason…so far) but could be 0 if the Thompson thing materialises in the next week or so.]

    Thank you for that, added to the collection.

  164. Patriot

    @Suzanne Blake

    I’m not sure. Reinstalling Rudd, the darling of QLD, could be a win-win for both State and Federal Labor. The upcoming election there could give party members a reason to throw their support behind a Queenslander, and that could embolden him to make his move sooner rather than later.

  165. Suzanne Blake

    @ Patriot

    Perhaps you are right. I am not from up there, so don’t appreciate the Queensland fierce loyalty to Rudd. I guess it would therefore be smart to axe Gillard and install Rudd, and hope to save Queensland, and hope their fortunes turn back federally.

    Interesting, whatever way you look at it Cindarella Gillard is a goner. Fairytale ending….

  166. Patriot

    @Suzanne Blake

    You’re right. I’m over in WA and it is hard to gauge how the QLD loyalty to Rudd would really play out and influence a poll there. I don’t think it would get them over the line at the state level, but it would sway the numbers and Rudd might see that as his best shot to retake his old office.

  167. Suzanne Blake

    @ Patriot

    Its certainly the grenade, that was quicker than the slow ticking Thompson mine!!

    Gillard must be sweating tonight, what a shot in the foot.

  168. Peter Ormonde

    OK kids I’m off to bed … don’t stay up chatting and telling scary stories all night under the covers… you’ll have funny dreams.

  169. Patriot

    Yes, her own grenade at that. She pulled the pin on an engineered, theatric race riot in full view of the media and threw the thing at her own stupid feet.

  170. Schnappi

    The Pm asked for tony to be included in the evacuation from the resteruant,bet abbott would not have done the same ,one photo showed abbott running with obvious fear on his face.and for people like SB I know what fear on peoples faces look like ,having been in combat.

  171. Patriot

    @Peter Ormonde

    I’m sure you meant you’re going under the bed, didn’t you? That’s where Reds hide.

  172. Suzanne Blake

    @ Patriot

    Inciting a race riot on Australia Day, so much to choose on her memorial.

    Carbon Tax lie
    Wilkie Lie or
    This.

    I think the hug from the security detail will be the favourite now. Just like Hawkey’s druken America’s Cup in 1983.

  173. geomac

    Interesting about this whole event and the babble from the usual suspects is what would Abbott have done in the PMs position ? Perhaps thats the reason for the absurdities . Deflect attention away from the cool response and regard for her political opponent when told the situation required evacuation . Not a good look for the wing nuts to have the PM taking consideration for the safety of the pedal cretin . Now thats the big question that we will never know the answer to . Would Abbott have had the concern or for that matter the cool manner to have afforded an opponent the same consideration ?
    Tight game 5 5 in the second set , Murray having break point.

  174. Suzanne Blake

    @ Schnappi

    It doesn’t match the fear on Gillards, Caucus, Bligh’s face right now…..

  175. Suzanne Blake

    @ Geomac

    Who knows. Gillard had concern cause she knew that if anything happened, and the source was found out (which it was), serious criminal charges could be laid at her Office or worse.

    Inciting a race riot on Australia Day, you don’t beat that in the eyes of the Australian Voting Public…. (except some unspeaking act on ANZAC Day, I suppose)

  176. Schnappi

    @SB,
    Will you call abbott the pm if he gets in,or abbott,seems you have no respect for the office of the PM,really means you have no respect for your little nobody self.
    The PM and The premier of Qld have no fear,as they have been there and done that,and are now set for life,which abbott coverts as he is in deep in debt,and newman does not get a military pension,so the fear is with the two opportunists that you support,but like you they are Losers.

  177. Schnappi

    An article by laurie oakes seems to sum up the matter very well ,without any hate or bias.

  178. Liz45

    I’ve only read a few of the comments, so I’m viable to accusations of not knowing what’s been going on, BUT, I heard this afternoon from Amnesty International, that the protestors who allegedly instigated the ‘sudden exit’ of both Gillard and Abbott were not aboriginal people!
    I’ve also heard aboriginal people on or near the site assert, that the people who committed acts of violence were the POLICE – that’s how it looked from my lounge room chair too! I didn’t see any civvies act in a violent manner – but I did see police people act that way, and the only threat to Julia Gillard were the unnecessary thuggish manner that she was ‘handled’. It was the police/security people who roughly handled her, nothing to do with the protesters.

    As to the legitimacy of the protests – the fact is, that even after 40 years of the Aboriginal Embassy, the life expactancy of indigenous people is still way behind the rest of the community; that the Howard Govt set aside the Racial Discrimination Act for the reason of obviously, to legally commit acts of racism; that aboriginal people working in the Top End side by side with workers from the rest of the community are not receiving the appropriate wage, but Centrlink payments of which 50% only are directly available.

    The health, housing and educational policies/realities are not much better than they were 40 years ago; and sadly, those non-aboriginal people who criticize aboriginal people who protest are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

    I ask those above who talk of setting reconciliation back x number of years! What have you personally done on an individual basis, in your community or in this country to at least even acquaint yourself of the history of so-called settlement of this country. I assert that most people have not read any history and are at best irritated by the indigenous quest for social justice at least. It aint there now!

    It’s a bit rich for Abbott (being a part of the last Govt who instantly refused to even consider the amount of money required to really address the health needs of indigenous people when the figure of a couple of billion? was put to him.) to speak in a condescending tone about aboriginal policies, right to protest etc, when the Govt of which he was a member did buggar all to address the horrific realities of the living, health, educational conditions of aboriginal people!

    Incidently, I don’t celebrate Australia Day, and if I was fit enough, I would’ve driven to Canberra to support aboriginal people in their commemoration of 40 years of the Aboriginal Tent Embassy.

    One last thought! Those high profile aboriginal people who came out criticising should be told – that they can afford to take their actions, when it’s understood, that they’re all professionals in receipt of a much higher income than many aboriginal people in the cities and regions, let alone North Qld and/or the NT! They should keep their mouths tuned to speaking out for justice for their compatriots, or keep their mouths shut! Particularly if they weren’t in the ACT yesterday! Shame on them!

  179. Howard,B.

    Schnappi

    Simple fact is there would have been no protest without abbott saying what he did.

    Simple fact is someone saying something you disagree with, or find offensive, is not an excuse to form an angry mob, haul off and disrupt people going about their business (let alone an awards ceremony for emergency service workers!). Warren Mundine expressed the same sentiment as Abbott today, so I guess he should expect a visit from the irate and self-righteous rabble sometime soon.

  180. shepherdmarilyn

    The same federal cops that Gillard applauded for shooting at refugees.

  181. Brian62

    Which is the most telling story, Cory Bernadi’s tea party love child now launching a campaign to, closethetentembassy.com compliments Menzies House or a Labor junior media adviser Tony Hodges cynical self aggrandising stupidity,line ball ? the relevant point is, was the Menzies house campaign dreamt up after the event?if so is it less cynical,given the close association with the Abbott Coalition it begs the question was Abbott’s tent embassy opinion a forerunner to more strident “action man” attention as part of a preconceived campaign? no conspiracy theory on my part but serious speculation on the machinations of a party not incapable of dog whistling.

  182. Brian62

    premise being, Tony Abbott’s unique ability to shoot from the lip.

  183. Peter Ormonde

    Brian,

    For a bloke who finished off 2011 rather ignominiously, the chance to throw on the shawl of Andrew Bolt – to posture as the victim, to be seen as the action man at the centre again – too good to miss. Tony needs a few shots in the arm to get back on the front foot as it were.

    So good on you Menzies House… good luck breathing life into this failure swinging in the breeze. Silly schoolyard stuff. The second eleven – the private school pimplies – are running the show this month. Everyone serious is on hols with the kids in Noosa.

    If only January could run all year.

  184. guytaur

    The facts are clear. The Federal Police reacted to a POSSIBLE threat.
    As a result the media and commentators are having a field day.
    No crime of violence has been committed. No claims for damage to property have happened.
    Calling this a riot has led directly to the anger resulting in the burning of the Flag.

    What I see is the racist media at it again.

  185. Whistleblower

    How much longer do we turn a blind eye to the absolutely racist attitudes of so-called aboriginal protesters complaining about problems that their own community is essentially responsible for.

    If aboriginals are living in “Third World conditions”, who do they have to blame but themselves. There is no significant impediment to integration into mainstream Australian society, and many aboriginals have undertaken this step. The only impediment seems to be intransigence and unwillingness to recognise the futility of maintaining a dysfunctional lifestyle, or alternately a bloody-minded determination to perpetuate perceived victimhood.

    There are extensive assistance programs available to aboriginals which are not available to the rest of the community and the segments of the so-called aboriginal community intent on perpetuating the myth of discrimination are unwilling to make the accommodation changes necessary to take full advantage of these programs.

    Aboriginals are marginalised by choice not by discrimination. This choice is substantially perpetuation of a dysfunctional lifestyle, essentially preventing their children from taking advantage of these programs by adapting and integrating into the mainstream Australian community. Of course to a degree adaption requires some loss of social identity, including perpetual welfare dependency, and it would appear that some aboriginal activists are more interested in maintaining their dysfunctional identity than giving their children the opportunity to integrate into the economy and actually work for a living. The majority of those Australians of aboriginal descent that have made the transition were probably not those clamouring at the tent embassy on Australia Day.

    Thousands of people are trying to get into the country and even paying thousands of dollars to people smugglers to get in. However they are not going to go and sit in the middle of the desert and expect social welfare and health services to come to them. Successful integration requires language and skill acquisition, as well as a desire to work and integrate into mainstream society.

  186. Suzanne Blake

    @ Peter Ormonde

    How dare you call the Aborigines unAustralian and black*****

    “Not really Orstrayans at all these blackfellas … not really like us at all”

    Disgraceful

  187. Suzanne Blake

    @ GeeWizz

    Oakeshott and Windsor will do nothing, cause they know if there is an election, they will be job hunting, especially Oakeshott.

    He needs more time to find an alternative career and earn up the pension

  188. outside left

    If Tony Windsor stands at the next election he will be re-elected

  189. GeeWizz

    Okay a few things.

    First off I think the media reports on the “riots” were a huge beatup. Sure we had the usual bunch of leftwing socialist alliance troublemakers in the crowd making up a majority of the protestors no doubt and they needed to be controlled, but thats pretty much standard affair these days.

    There were a handful of Aboriginal activists, maybe 5-10 or so who were knocking on the glass windows which was probably more of a danger to themselves than anyone else.

    So you really have to ask, why were there so many riot police, such a dramatic PM rescue… dragging her off her feet with riot shield at the ready when there was barely a sole(pardon the pun) in sight except some old Aboriginal elders?

    Well because folks… it was a STAGE MANAGED *STUNT*. We learn in todays Weekend Australian that Dillards media advisor(hey whats the chances!) was hanging out with his buddies down at the tent embassy just before the event. Gee wonder what they were talking about? Of course Dillard knew about the tent embassy, knew about Abbbotts comments and wanted to make the thing as dramatic as possible to give her poll numbers a boost.

    Only problem was… she was caught red handed and now we know it was actually all just a media advisors stage maanged stunt.

    There must be a full inquiry into the events…. the protest was lame by protest standards(and as stated a huge media beat up) but the REAL STORY here is what Dillard has been doing behind the scenes. Has she been purposely staging media stories to try and get ahead in the polls? We know she is a compulsive liar(No Carbon Tax under government I lead, Sure Kevin you have my full support, Yeah no problems Wilkie I’ll sign a written contract on pokies), so this wouldn’t surprise me.

  190. Col in Sydney

    Just getting back to the point…

    This whole story was created by typically bonehead police officers wanting to play-out scenes from the sad Bruce Willis movies that motivated their decision to become professional scum.

    There wasn’t a single protestor within 20 metres of either Gillard or Abbott when Gillard was knocked arse over tit by the cretin she has now created as a hero – no doubt he will get a bravery award.

    If you watch the vision all the violence is between different branches of the “security” personnel who were demonstrating their intense stupidity and incompetence battling each other.

    What is most disgusting, but most typical, is how the politicians and mainstream new media have beat this up as “outstanding work” by the mongrel scum we have working as police officers.

    The guy who knocked Gillard over and then banged her head into the car door should be getting the sack. Whoever was in charge should be the subject of public disciplinary proceedings.

  191. Suzanne Blake

    @ Col in Sydney

    Col, you must have missed the News. Gillard’s Office was in charge.

    Public disciplinary proceeding may well eventuate, regardless, the public perception will fall, just when she needs it to improve.

    The tom toms will start beating. Rudd will do the numbers and let the fireworks begin.

  192. Subterranean Homesick Alien

    A quick word to crikey: Is there a moderator? What the hell are they doing? I see more intellectual, egalitarian discussion in the Bolt report than most of the comments here. Most of the stuff here is just pure trolling, for no good purpose.

  193. Peter Ormonde

    Exactly Colin. It was keystone cops stuff …. Henry Lawson with a cameraphone…. next year I’m making everyone bring riot shields to the barbecue…. much more fun than backyard cricket.

    Now Sooz:

    Wort eye airkchooly saird worz

    “Not really Orstrayans at all these blackfellas … not really like us at all”…

    And no they are not Orstrayans – certainly not these flag-waving, ignorant mouthbreathers who come over all Pauline Hanson every January 26. Oi Oi Oi!

    They are however far more Australian than you and your fellow Orstrayans can ever hope to be I’m afraid. You lot don’t even understand the questions let alone the answers.

    Here’s one:

    How can we incorporate a pilfered shoe into our national day celebrations?

  194. Suzanne Blake

    @ Peter Ormonde

    Nicely spun. It was your use of word “blackfella” that I object to

  195. Bob the builder

    @ Col in Sydney

    Your type of rational, reasoned argument is not welcome here. This was all Indigenous people’s fault or Gillard’s fault – the fact that they were on the same block proves it.

    Your quibbling with facts and evidence-based arguments is irrelevant.

    This is bigger than Watergate!!!!

  196. Bobalot

    Let me get this straight:

    A staffer tells an acquittance that Tony Abbott will be down the road with the Prime Minister.

    This acquittance decides to tell a mob of aboriginal protesters where BOTH the Prime Minister and Tony Abbott are.

    and…. this is watergate?

    I think Suzanne Blake might be off her meds.

  197. Schnappi

    Why is abbotts whereabouts such a national secret,the media knew where the PM was,and so did a lot of other people.
    A deceitful brandis and pyne are using the liberals boys club to call in media favours to blame the whole thing personally on the PM ,what a Joke.

  198. Suzanne Blake

    @ Bobalot

    He did it to incite racial violence and a boost for Gillard in the polls. There will be move to come out, they are trying to keep a lid on it, but it will blow open.

  199. Suzanne Blake

    @ Bobalot

    The other thing is that GILLARD IS PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS. It is her leadership, her department, she needs to take responsibility.

    She would have set the standards, and this Tony bloke, the patsy would have been following them.

    She is permanently damaged, set back reconciliation decades.

  200. Bob the builder

    @ Suzanne
    Your typoes aren’t improving.
    I think you meant “there is moove to come out”. I’ll have caramel flavoured please.

  201. Patriot

    @PETER ORMONDE

    They are however far more Australian than you and your fellow Orstrayans can ever hope to be I’m afraid.

    What exactly is your point? Are you suggesting we should aspire to the culture and lifestyle they had before settlement? Do any of you lefties seriously think that Aboriginals are worse off post European settlement? I hate to shatter your xenocentric fantasy of the noble savage, but these people weren’t exactly holding hands and singing Kumbayah with each other before Europeans arrived.

    Did they have free access to educational institutions, health care and welfare? No, they did not. What was infant mortality like? What about life expectancy? THEY ARE RICHER FOR HAVING US SETTLE THIS CONTINENT! END OF STORY!

  202. Whistleblower

    @patriot

    Please don’t confuse all the lefties by using logic, it might ruin their day.

  203. Suzanne Blake

    @ Whistleblower

    You notice how the lefties leap to the defence of ly ing Gillard. Trying to blow this over.

    You have to say they are so loyal to their leader.

    Gillard is still in hiding trying to work out what to say today.

  204. Brian62

    As an infrequent visitor to Crikey I must admit there are some “different” contributors example,the very shouty Suzanne Blake perhaps should severely Modicated (not a spelling error) Patriot “THEY ARE RICHER FOR HAVING US SETTLE THIS CONTINENT! END OF STORY!” even more shouty loves a fight with comments like that, here’s a suggestion place your head you know where and fight for air, for what it’s worth I think the following , Relevant point, Tony Abbott’s expression “move on” in itself was a certainty to raise the hackles of the tent embassy mob,given that their people have been getting “moved on ” since 26 January 1788 it’s a wonder they all didn’t end up in the arafura sea,you can’t move on, relocate, annexe, banish and part annihilate a people without profound deep resentment and long fermented hatred of the invasion of their rights,the real question to my mind is, why has it taken 224 yrs to even contemplate a restoration of their inalienable rights , it’s not the tent embassy mob at fault here it’s our mob,We the progeny of the first boat people and immigrant/refugees collectively.

  205. Patriot

    Yes, saying people should “move on” is bound to cause a race riot. He should have said “moving forward”. NOT! I swear, you lefties get dumber by the day.

  206. Schnappi

    @SUZANNE BLAKE,
    You said “gillard is still hiding trying to work out what to say today”how could you know that?perhaps the deceitful brandis or pyne told you.
    You little terror ,you will be giving away secrets of state if asio does not arrest you in the nick of time.

  207. Suzanne Blake

    @ Schnappi

    No, cause its the afternoon on the east coast and No Gillard, no comment from her spin doctors, nothing from Albanese or the usual suspects.

    She is meeting NZ PM today and you would think she would want this out of the way, before the NZ PM Press Conference this afternoon

  208. Johnfromplanetearth

    DAVIDK: Any mention of the words Invasion day is offensive and a slight on the people of Australia. No Australian PM should be subjected to what Gillard went through the other day, no matter what your political view. No arrests have been made and why not i ask? Remove that tent and stop this divisiveness, Australia day has become a joke and a springboard for racism and negativity. Enough already!
    I wonder what everyone’s thoughts are on countires like Spain, Portugal, France, England and of course the Roman bloody Empire! What did they ever do for us!
    The fact has always been that the aboriginal population was small even before settlement here, do you really think a continent this large was going to remain un noticed for ever? We are damn lucky that the country isn’t divided into several and don’t speak Dutch, French and English. It could easily have happened. We wouldn’t be here of course, but that doesn’t seem to register with some people. The whole world has been settled by movement, since humans first walked out of Africa, since northern Europeans first went to Britain and the Romans went everywhere! My conscience is clear and i am proud to be Australian despite our flaws, we are better off than most. Those who burn our flag and call Australia day Invasion day are traitors! The woman photographed with the PM’s shoe should get 5 years!

  209. Peter Ormonde

    From the desk of The Editor
    Canberra, Democratic Peoples Republic of Australia
    January 25th, 2137

    Any mention of the words Invasion day is offensive and a slight on the people of Australia. No Australian Glorious Leader should be subjected to what his Great Benevolence Glorious Leader, Kim Jong Phat, went through the other day, no matter what your political view. No arrests have been made and why not i ask? Remove that tent and stop this divisiveness, Australia day has become a joke and a springboard for racism and negativity. Enough already!
    I wonder what everyone’s thoughts are on countires like Spain, Portugal, France, England and of course the Roman bloody Empire! What did they ever do for us!
    The fact has always been that the original population was small even before our settlement here, do you really think a continent this large was going to remain un noticed for ever? We are damn lucky that the country isn’t divided into several and don’t speak Dutch, French and English. It could easily have happened. We wouldn’t be here of course, but that doesn’t seem to register with some people. The whole world has been settled by movement, since humans first walked out of Africa, since northern Europeans first went to Britain and the Romans went everywhere! My conscience is clear and i am proud to be Australian despite our flaws, we are better off than most. Those who burn our flag and call Australia day Invasion day are traitors! The woman photographed with the Divine Leader’s shoe should get 5 years!

    How’s that feel Genghis?

  210. Patriot

    Poor Peter Ormonde can’t understand the difference between the State using its powers to enforce a belief, and a free person exercising their right to express a belief. And he’s just your typical lefty. We’re screwed. 1984, here we come.

  211. Bobalot

    Suzanne Blake

    He did it to incite racial violence and a boost for Gillard in the polls. There will be move to come out, they are trying to keep a lid on it, but it will blow open.

    What utter rubbish. How would he have any idea that the protesters would actually resort to harassment? or that the information would get passed on?

    Why has Tony Abbott’s whereabouts suddenly become a national secret? There were plenty of journalists who knew where he was going.

    You are doing yourself no favours here. You actually sound deranged.

  212. Suzanne Blake

    @ Patriot

    Dont worry about him, he is a left wing Union organiser

    trove.nla.gov.au/work/12034243?selectedversion=NBD4925703

  213. David Hand

    The next positive step in reconciliation in this country should be the leaders of the aboriginal people to remove the tent embassy. It is an embarrassment to them and their cause since it has been hijacked by an anarchist mob.

  214. Brian62

    Patriot or is it Pat Riot,”Yes, saying people should “move on” is bound to cause a race riot. He should have said “moving forward”. NOT! I swear, you lefties get dumber by the day.” , moving forward =progress, as apposed to Move On= begone your irrelevant, if the getting dumber by the day metaphor is a truism I concede Methuselah,my post was an opinion, not an request to participate in your inanity, move on.

  215. Peter Ormonde

    Strewth Patriot Guy, you mean they’re not being grateful.

    No mate, I’m saying that you and your like – let’s call them Orstrayans – don’t understand the first thing about deep Australian notions like giving people a fair go, giving underdogs a hand and basically honesty. We pay our debts here, mate.

    One of the interesting things about traditional aboriginal cultures here is that the key idea to leading a good life and following the law is to leave everything just as you found it – change nothing. Make sure the animals are about for tucker. Clean up the bush with the odd fire. But – in life as a whole – the idea is to leave very light footprints if any. Other than in family and community. Build reputations, not stuff. We can learn something from that, I think.

    Get before you start attacking “xenocentric” (????) fantasies, get some history under your belt Mr Patriot – this Australian history you’re so proud of – read Watkin Tench, read the Dawes journals, read Kate Grenville’s novels. Read some Henry Lawson even.

    Maybe one day you will understand what it means to be Australian – a fair dinkum one.

    That’s what I was saying.

  216. Suzanne Blake

    @ Bobalot

    Of couse it was done to spark violence against Abbott, why tip them off and verbal him, otherwise.

    The restaurant was very close to the tent embassy, its was 40 year anniverary.

    Of course it was done to spark racial violence on Australia Day, which is why Gillard was so keen to protect Gillard

  217. Patriot

    I’ll tell you one thing that would be a fair go: being able to continue this discourse and not having my comments censored by moderators.

  218. Bobalot

    @ SUZANNE BLAKE

    Maybe you can’t read.

    HOW DID HE KNOW WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN?
    HOW DID HE KNOW IT WOULD BE PASSED ON?
    HOW DID HE KNOW A PEACEFUL PROTEST WOULD TURN VIOLENT?
    WHY IS TONY ABBOTT’S WHEREABOUTS A STATE SECRET? (Plenty of people knew where he was going)

    The entire situation took everybody by surprise (including the PM).

    I know you are a partisan hack. But even this is pretty pathetic for you.

  219. Suzanne Blake

    @ Bobalot

    HOW DID HE KNOW WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN?

    He wiped them into a frenzy by saying Abbott wanted the tent embassy closed

    HOW DID HE KNOW IT WOULD BE PASSED ON?

    He told some that we knew would pass ot on. He is a media / spin advisor, he is use to leaking stories to protect or cover the PM. That is what they do.

    HOW DID HE KNOW A PEACEFUL PROTEST WOULD TURN VIOLENT?

    Cause he told them a lie, and wanted them to show Abbott in a poor light

    WHY IS TONY ABBOTT’S WHEREABOUTS A STATE SECRET?

    Cause it places 100 Award winners, the PM, Police and others at risk.

    Bobalot, maybe you should replace him in the spin office, you are trying.

  220. taylormade

    @ BOBALOT,

    now that the person who the the media advisor passed on the information to has now been named, an investigation will be needed in order to answer all the questions that you mentioned. who would have jurisdiction over such an investigation, i have no idea ?? AFP ??.

  221. outside left

    Why did they ever close Callan Park. Re open it and throw the central coast’s resident fruitcake in. Alcatraz would be better, but the queue is longer [repugs presidential nominees]

  222. Peter Ormonde

    No no no ! For once I am full – nay 150% – agreement with Suzanne Blake.

    I think that on all future Orstraya Daze the whereabouts and doings of the political leaders of the country should be kept secret. Totally and utterly secret. Even after the day itself. In fact they should try and be somewhere else altogether.

    Actually in Tony Abbott’s case we could just extend the secrecy business to cover everything he says and does throughout the year. He’s at such risk.

    Leviticus… Sharia for Christians! Bring it back now! You know we have the stones.

  223. Johnfromplanetearth

    I feel sorry for you PETER ORMONDE, you are a man without a country, most certainly you have no pride in it.

    As for Genghis Khan, he allowed increased trade and communication between the West, Middle East and Asia, expanding the horizons of all three cultural areas. He opened up the silk road. He promoted religious tolerance, he supported education and created a unified empire from the nomadic tribes of northeast Asia. The great Khan was certainly destructive and his reputation varies, he is revered in Turkey and reviled in Iran.

    Before that there were the Romans, before that there was Alexander…lives were lost and civilisations gone (Carthage)
    After all that the French, Dutch, Spanish (oh yeah the Spanish) and the British all colonised the world for centuries.

    What do you want us to do here in Australia Peter, give it all back and move to where exactly? I am proud of our achievements, i am proud of Australia and tell me what country doesn’t have a chequered past? The USA? nope, England? nope,
    Italy? nope, France?, nope, Germany? nope, Spain? nope, Portugal? nope, Holland? nope Japan? nope Northeast Asia? nope, Russia? nope Persia/Iran? nope
    How’s that feel Wang Jingwei?

  224. Bobalot

    @ SUZANNE BLAKE

    He wiped them into a frenzy by saying Abbott wanted the tent embassy closed

    No. Lie #1. He simply told them Abbott would be with Gillard. This is not secret information. Plenty of people knew in advance, including numerous journalists.

    You still have not provided a single shred of evidence that he “knew” it would send them into a “frenzy”.

    He told some that we knew would pass ot on. He is a media / spin advisor, he is use to leaking stories to protect or cover the PM. That is what they do.

    What he knew that freely available information about Abbott’s whereabouts may get passed on? So what?

    I see you are implying that he wanted it passed onto the Aboriginal protesters. That is another unverified claim.

    Cause he told them a lie, and wanted them to show Abbott in a poor light

    No. Lie #2. He told his acquaintance where Tony Abbott was… with Julia Gillard.

    Cause it places 100 Award winners, the PM, Police and others at risk

    What an utter load of rubbish. TONY ABBOTT HIMSELF freely discloses where he is going to be on his twitter account. Where Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott where going to be was FEELY AVAILABLE KNOWLEDGE known to many people in advance.

    In order to prove your claims, you actually made up even more unverified claims and told outright lies. Have you actually finished high school? Have you ever been taught how to support an argument?

    The only person spinning anything here is you. Watergate indeed.

  225. David Hand

    Hey Bobalot,
    Well, the Crikey crypt is populated by partisan hacks on all sides but especially the left. What pisses me off is how Crikey allows an extreme left activist tell lies in its publication with absolutely no sense of balance or thought.

    We know they are lies because the truth is all over every news section of every media channel in Australia. Consider again what was published in Amy McQuire’s fantasy writing masquerading as “the truth”.

    “Today, the tent embassy is also peaceful. Children are playing on the jumping castle, and about 500 people are having a conversation about sovereignty in a tent set up by the organising committee. It is not the angry, riotous place portrayed on your television screens this morning.”

    Some of these “500 conversationalists” subsequently walked up the hill and burned the Australian flag on national television. It is a naked left wing propaganda piece that has been overtaken by the truth.

    I do agree with you that Gillard’s party was taken by surprise. But is is more about the unintended consequences of a piece of grubby ALP political bastardry gone wrong. There is no doubt Tony Hodges intended mischief from the tent embassy at Abbott’s expense. Of course he knew his tip off would be passed on. Peaceful protest? Watch the news mate.

  226. GocomSys

    Leave a reply? No thanks!

  227. sottile6

    Is this a comments thread for sad humourless right wing dicks? Obviously they want all the media, including every website, to toe their pitiful party line. Keep up the jokes , Peter. I’m laughing both at your jokes and their pathetic attempts at debate. Although they are their own parody, please don’t stop the mockery because it’s fun.

  228. Peter Ormonde

    Far from it John. I definitely have a country. This one. This one that is about to recognise Aboriginal people as historical owners in its Constitution. And that makes me proud.

    Some things about Australia don’t make me proud however …. one of them is Orstrayans… guys who take Genghis Khan as a suitable role model for the kiddies. The fink dey live somewhere call Orstraya where people are mean, selfish and morally uneducated.

    Not talking about “giving it back”. What is gone – the families, the languages, the knowledge, the law, the understanding … we cannot give that back. And some things they themselves would not want to be given back. Giving back doesn’t come into it, mate.

    What we can do – in common with the likes of New Zealand, Canada, the US, Norway and other countries with indigenous populations is to begin the process of reconciliation, or making some sort of reparations for the damage done and the hurt inflicted where possible (they are a curiously forgiving mob I reckon) and for ensuring that the material benefits of our now shared history and future are distributed fairly.

    Here’s something for the kiddies’ bedroom wall:

    “The greatest happiness is to scatter your enemy, to drive him before you, to see his cities reduced to ashes, to see those who love him shrouded in tears, and to gather into your bosom his wives and daughters.” … Genghis Khan.

    And how was your day Johnno? How’s that oh so crowded bosom of yours?

  229. Policeman MacCruiskeen

    The Policeman became over excited at the footage from Canberra yesterday and is still out clubbing seals. Says he hasn’t felt this good about the mainland since someone tried to shoot Arthur Calwell.

    Johnfromplanetearth (very ugly typograph, that) the point about modernity and democracy is that we behave like modern democrats rather than the Golden Horde. This means giving up the idea of the legitimacy of conquest.

    PO: we’re making use of nicely rounded beach boulders down here. Not as rough on the hands when you hurl them. The whole business of what sort of rock to use when stoning has created schisms within the Sisters; there are sedimentists, ignites, metamorphese and I don’t know what else. The Policeman was very disappointed when told that The Truncheon was regarded as crude, lacking dexterity and unacceptable.

    Mrs Mac.

  230. Suzanne Blake

    @ outside left

    Sure won’t be Fai Work Australia investigating after their deliberate delays to the HSU fraud.

    Every major investigation in Australia has been quicker, royal commissions even

  231. Peter Ormonde

    G’day Constable and the good Mrs Mac… good to hear from you … I trust the Policeman has recovering nicely from his recent interview with Internal Affairs and is rebuilding the pergola as we speak.

    But as to Leviticus and the nun’s quandary I’m afraid there is no easy relief to hand. The laws are quite specific about the punishments to be meted out and the various “breaks” that were offered – like using smaller stones for people you really didn’t like much (takes longer and hurts more), burying them up to the necks if you thought they were OK by and large, or using really really big rocks for the Mrs or kids. But sadly the scriptures stay silent on the salient issue.

    Presumably all the stonery to hand in the Holy Land was sedimentary or somesuch – but here in the Antipodes the issue takes on some important theological dimensions as to the appropriate weight of boulders, stones or pebbles to be employed by the hefty right arm in meting out God-given justice.

    This liturgical oversight in the literature is about to be remedied. A very active sub-committee has been established under the provenance of the Woolibuddha Men’s Shed to fill in the gaps in Leviticus and update the Lord’s legalities to bring them into line with modern crime. Hands on law.

    I myself have a role in setting out a range of offences and corresponding appropriate stoney punishments regarding traffic and the slaughtering of cattle. I shall keep you posted and would appreciate any tips re current practices on the Island.

    I shall raise at our next weekly meeting this vexed issue troubling the consciences of the Good Sisters of Perpetual Suffering down there. We may to do some specific density measurements. Damn enlightenment!

  232. GocomSys

    Getting away from Daily Telegraph, Herald Sun standards I suggest perusing the following article:

    http://theconversation.edu.au/its-time-to-reassess-australia-day-and-the-aboriginal-tent-embassy-5052

  233. Subterranean Homesick Alien

    I reiterate my last comment. This is abysmal- lowest common denominator mudslinging, ridiculous conspiracies being cast about, and general abuse. I’ve seen very little in the way of intelligent comment, and even less in the way of moderation. In fact, the only comment I have seen that is awaiting moderation is my call for moderation. WTF?

  234. Masters Jill

    secret locations? better still, fill parliament with max hedroom style tv monitors, we can have press conferences with a mop and a paper plate with a face drawn on in texta playing a cassette recording of the days announcements.

  235. Masters Jill

    the mop will be dies red of course. although i should still think we’d have miranda devine discussing the merits of the “PM’s” new haircut. wonder what jo bailey has to say?

  236. Col in Sydney

    So now we have Gillard calling a press conference in order to dump all the blame on some poor schmuck and an obliging union official who did his bidding.

    Does Gillard not realise that her determined refusal to confront the reality of what happened at that restaurant is precisely the kind of ham-fisted “spin” which disgusts the people who matter most to her?

    One group of the larger group of swinging voters who decide elections is that group made up of intelligent people who appreciate there is little real choice, so they will go with the political leader who seems to have the best personal qualities.

    While it may be impossible to believe that any political leader of any party could lose that contest with Tony Abbott, her refusal to confront the obvious incompetence of the security personnel at that restaurant discloses a deeply determined dishonesty.

    She will say anything, anything, in order to toe the acceptable political line. Now she is deflecting any criticism of the conduct of the police with a condescending, “Well you weren’t there…” Well that is the point of photographic apparatus Prime Minister, we didn’t have to be.

    More to the point, the author of this blog WAS there and we have her direct, contemporaneous, eye-witness account which establishes beyond doubt that the police caused all the problems at that restaurant and these events were entirely unnecessary.

    And as per usual, the more glaring the evidence against the position complaisancy has dictated to her, she just digs in deeper and deeper – think Reith and Children Overboard (‘… but people are watching the video Minister…”)

    I can’t think of a better comparison at the moment than Peter Reith for the odiousness of Gillard’s now standard conduct – and I have answered my own rhetorical question. Who is the recent political leader who would drive me to vote for Tony Abbott? The one and only Peter Reith.

  237. Suzanne Blake

    @ : Col in Sydney

    Its taken her 22 hours since the previous 8 hour delay in acknowleding it happened.

    The spin doctors must have icing on this one. She is to blame, she is in charge of her Department

    Axe her

  238. Whistleblower

    At the risk of trying to bring some objectivity to bear in this so-called this debate, what would have been the outcome if somebody had taken a pot shot at Gillard or Abbott in the melee surrounding the restaurant? If this had happened, and then with the consequential release of information that Gillard’s office was directly involved in inciting agitators it would probably have brought down the government

    Notwithstanding the misguided antics of the aboriginal protesters, the Machiavellian intervention of Gillard’s staff in organising the event 400 m from the tent embassy, (which was known to be hosting a rally of several thousand protesters) then advising the protesters of Abbott’s presence, and the reported but not yet confirmed further intervention by telephone warrants an independent enquiry which of course will not get (unless of course like the Fair Work HSU enquiry three or four years is allowed for the return of findings). It should be noted that Gillard’s office has only acknowledge one specific telephone call from her office, but has not effectively refuted that any other ministerial or Labor Party staff were involved in further communication and or incitement either before or on the day of the riot.

    Of course the apparatchiks are trying to create scenarios involving blaming Abbott who has done nothing wrong except make a simple observation about the tent embassy which was apparently misrepresented in a phone call to the protestors. In simple terms this is known as being an “agent provocateur”, straight out of the training manuals for left wing and right wing extremists seeking power by subterfuge and disruption.

    At the risk of mixing my metaphors, there is something truly “rotten in the state of Denmark” and “Lady Julia Macbeth” was lucky that she didn’t have blood on her hands. Gillard is no longer fit to be either a member of Parliament, or Prime Minister.

  239. Suzanne Blake

    Listen to Gillard’s memorised spin. I bet she has spent all day on this.

    Amazing how ste can lie straight faced, in the DNA

  240. Whistleblower

    @Suzanne Blake

    Gillard is a qualified lawyer. Why are you surprised? QED

  241. Suzanne Blake

    @ Whistleblower

    I suppose you are right. Trained to keep facial expressions.

    Interesting the Aboriginal lady is saying she was told Abbott was having a press conference in the coffee shop to close down the Tent Embassy. Terrible verbal and rumour to start.

    That guy axed from Gillard’s office knows how she worked, he would have done this knowing its how they start an event that supports their cause. Gillard has the smell of this all over her

  242. Suzanne Blake

    @ Whistleblower

    There would have been manslaughter charges and other criminal charges laid at Gillards office or at Gillard herself, if the link could be proven.

  243. Schnappi

    Abbotts usual lies and remarks were for the redneck rascists votes and one can see he succeeded in getting those pitiful peoples votes.
    Everybody should know where abbott is at all times when he is in public,people have right to call him a Liar to his face.
    The media in this country in the last three days has become as bad as murdoch in the UK,but then most of what the gullible read are murdoch readers.

  244. Suzanne Blake

    More evidence from the Aborigonal Lady that Gillards Office was trying to incite a racial fight on Australia Day

    “Representatives of the Aboriginal Tent Embassy have identified unionist Kim Sattler as the person who told indigenous people on Thursday that Opposition Leader Tony Abbott was in a Canberra restaurant.

    About 200 people surrounded the restaurant after they had incorrectly heard that Mr Abbott had called for the destruction of the Tent Embassy which is situated opposite Old Parliament House.

    Tony Hodges, a media adviser to Prime Minister Julia Gillard, resigned on Friday after revealing that Mr Abbott was inside the restaurant.

    The person believed to be Kim Sattler passed the information on to Tent Embassy representatives.

    Ms Sattler is the secretary of Unions ACT.

    “This person said Tony Abbott is in the coffee shop talking to the press about closing down the Aboriginal Tent Embassy,” Tent Embassy representative Barbara Shaw told reporters on Saturday.

    “She clearly stated `tell people’. So that’s what I did.”

    “They (media representatives) clearly stated that it was Kim Sattler speaking to me. It’s recorded on a number of videos.

    “I know who she is now. Thursday afternoon I didn’t know who she was.”

    Ms Shaw identified a photograph of Ms Sattler which was handed to her.

    One of the founders of the Aboriginal Tent Embassy, Michael Anderson, said Ms Sattler had spoken to him as well.

    “There was a lady running around here when I was doing a radio interview and she said the prime minister’s office wants to talk to you and I thought she was joking and said I’ll talk later,” he told reporters.

    “I know that woman to be Kim Sattler.”

    Mr Anderson said Ms Sattler recognised who he was.

    “She came and then she went away and, because I didn’t respond, she went to other people,” he said.

    “All she said was `Michael. the prime minister’s office would like to talk to you.'”

    Mr Anderson said he believed the protest incident outside the restaurant on Thursday was a set-up.

    “Someone set us up. They set the prime minister up. They set Abbott up,” he said.

    “And they knew that feelings and emotions were running high here and I think they knew that reaction would occur.”

    Mr Anderson said that person would face retribution under Aboriginal law.

    “And whoever it was that really promoted that confrontation, we need to take them through the cleaners.

    “And I’d like them to hand them back when they finish under White Man law, give him under our law so we can put him under our law as well.”

    Comment has been sought from Ms Sattler.”

  245. Schnappi

    @SB,howard,abbott and the other hasbeens should be charged with crimes against humanity,they lied about Iraq

  246. Peter Ormonde

    Yes that’s right … let’s just imagine what could have happened. Let’s construct a blurry re-enactment for the audience in our mind’s eye.

    But it didn’t happen. We made it up.

    Doesn’t matter. Let’s burn them all as if it did!

    And hey it’s blood on Julia’s hands is it? That’d be Tony Abbott’s blood I assume? Assuming he has blood.

    What if the conspiracy had gone badly wrong and it was Gillard lying slain in a volley of cross fire. We’ll she’d have no one but herself to blame wouldn’t she?

    My kinda justice there folks – ruthless, unforgiving old testament sort of retribution.

    If anyone takes a potshot at someone in this country it would be coming from the more unhinged elements of the loony right. Was ever so. Except for the Fenian who took a shot at Prince Alfred but that was a long time ago. And we got a hospital out of it.

    So what should we do about this almost possible near criminality – well near culpability at least – for the possible loss of Our Great and Beloved Leader (Opposition) … for potentially exposing His Very Person to possible harm?

    Leviticise them! Leviticise them! I say.

    You lot stand accused, tried and found guilty of faux outrage and pomposity. Justice should be swift. And sedimentary.

  247. David Hand

    It’s ok subbie,
    I have a comment awaiting moderation as well.
    Dunno why. I removed the word “lie” in case that was what the Crikey computer had picked up but my second post is also awaiting moderation.

  248. Whistleblower

    So now we know that Mr Hodges told Ms Sattler, the secretary of Unions ACT which is part of the ACTU. So now we have a conspiracy involving the Prime Minister’s office and the ACTU many of whose union officials are now Members of Parliament. Can we now assume that not only is an agent provocateur operating out of the Prime Minister’s office involved in political dirty tricks, but that the union movement is involved in this subterfuges as well, using the well-known”Chinese whispers” technique to further embellish information provided in the likely expectation that it would further inflame the protesters at the tent embassy.

    Having listened to Julia’s “weasel words explanation” and her heartrending endorsement of the reason for the restaurant event, one would assume she could join Actors Equity in relation to her obviously carefully rehearsed performance. I for one am not convinced, and would only be satisfied with an independent enquiry into this whole sordid mess.

    I predict that Ms Sattler will go to ground and will be unable to be found for the next few days.

  249. taylormade

    Actually feel sorry for the protesters now. Their actions have been condemned around the country and in images flashed around the world. Some of thier own leaders were saying they have put thier cause back 20 years.

    Yet it now appears they were actually set up by a couple of of people attempting to cause controversy for the opposition leader.

    Surely these 2 people and anyone else involved in the set up need to be held to account.

  250. Schnappi

    If the PM and abbott were set up, then by whom,well the unions why would they want to set up the PM,that only leaves the media,unless the libs did not know abbott was going to be there,then it could be brandis and abetz.

  251. Suzanne Blake

    There is no doubt that Tony Hodges tried to create a race riot to embarrass Abbott.

    He used Union patsy’s to spread his and Gillards message.

    This was a BOLD move by him. He would have known the rules of Gillards Office, and thought this was OK, and on Australia Day.

  252. Suzanne Blake

    @ Schnappi Schnappi

    They wanted to setup Abbott cause they thought he was going to have a press conference. Did you not listen to your leader ly ing Gillard

  253. Schnappi

    Seems abbott wants a AFP investigation over a protest by about 100,how about one into the convoy of no consequence that abbott incited violence in calling for a revolution,one can assume he wanted violence against the PM.

  254. Whistleblower

    @Taylormade
    I agree with you. Whilst I don’t have a huge amount of sympathy for some aboriginal protesters, I believe they have been used for partisan political purposes by Gillard and her cronies. Blind Freddy could see that if they thought Abbott was attacking them, and he was just down the road, that there would be enough loonies in the mob to run down and cause a riot, and that is exactly what happened.

    I believe that there are a number of well-meaning aboriginal activists who do not understand the reason why they are in the position they’re in and how to get out of it. But to exploit these people for crass political purposes is a low act, but worthy of the low moral standards of the Gillard government for whom lying, misrepresentation and repudiation of undertakings is part of the normal order of business.

    I never thought I would see the day when I would welcome back the “lesser of two weevils), (apologies to Master and Commander), the “lying rat” (Honest John Howard), but that day has come. Even KRudd would be a good alternative.

  255. Whistleblower

    Message for the Moderator.

    I do not understand why is causing your net Nanny software to walk trigger moderation of my comment. I can only assume it is either loonies or perhaps the word rat.

  256. Whistleblower

    @ moderator I’m getting close

    cronies
    crass

  257. Schnappi

    Seems tony hodges worked for rudd,now we know there have been lots of leaks to the media about the medias unknown souces that for 4 months there is going to be a rudd leadership challenge,maybe hodges is the media source and the media and hodges plotted against the Pm to brinhg her down,and abetz seems to know these things, as one rembers him and godwin gretch in utegate.

  258. gee jay

    I stupidly thought Labor and the broader white bourgeois left had moved on from the race-baiting tactics of the Keating days. It seems they’re in it deeper than ever. Sad.

  259. Peter Ormonde

    What do you think it is? Food colouring? Sugar?

    Why are all the kids playing up like this?

    Maybe it was the slightest hint of a re-run of Jimmy Governor that has triggered such a deeply primordial response in our more deeply primordial correspondents? A race riot…yeah that’d have to be Gillard’s fault – that and the sort of charge of almost like nearly possible like manslaughter. And of Our Tony Abbott. It was a hit wasn’t it? Wow. Bigger than World War 3 this!!!! Where was the second possible almost gunman? Where has Gillard hidden the grassy knoll?

    January. School holidays. Everyone sensible is away catching fish or watching tennis. You know what it’s like. Menzies House. The pimplies. The interweb. But there at the base of it all – too many red and green jelly frogs, that’s my bet.

  260. Whistleblower

    @Moderator
    It is really painfully absurd that the word “lying”should attract the attention of your moderation software.

    Are you afraid to publish a list of your proscribed terms for fear of ridicule?

    Ed: The accusation of lying is potentially libellous. The legal risk is ours as a publisher, which is why the word and others like it is included in our moderation filter.

  261. geomac

    I take it the conspiracy theorists want Jones charged for inciting a race riot ? No need for pixies in the garden theories there as its all recorded . What about Abetz and his ham actor subterfuge of the senate inquiry and the Australian public which once again is documented ? He read from a script premeditated by himself , Turnbull and Grech pretending to be a forensic investigator ( where have I heard that term ? ) when in fact he was trying to set up Rudd . No takers ?
    Bernardi , Gambaro and the venal Mirabella have it easy with the either gullible or deliberately vexatious rabble who spout such rubbish as on this thread.
    I can be proud of Australia if I exclude these faux aussies because its the non certifiable aussies I can be comfortable with not these lunatic fringe rabble.
    My sister was an MP in the Kennett government and to say I disliked him is a given but our discussion never veered to the rubbish here . You can disagree or oppose without being shrill or in this case ” off with the pixies “. Poor fella my country .

  262. Suzanne Blake

    @ geomac

    Trying to spin the topic to something you prefer, like a good Labor boy?

  263. Bob the builder

    UNSUBSCRIBE

    This is pathetic.

  264. gee jay

    Wow, bourgeois left race-baiting white guys exposed, so bourgeois left race-baiting white crikey guy flees. Or should we say, “move on”. 😉

  265. David Hand

    OK yet another post from me is awaiting moderation. I guess you can all read them on monday morning when Crikey’s censor wakes up. Provided they pass, of course.

    I am unsubscribing from this thread.

  266. Whistleblower

    @BOB THE BUILDER

    Re unsubscribe

    Like Freddy in Friday the 13th, I’m sure you will be back?

    Just remember to wash the sand off your dummy.

  267. geomac

    SB aka whatever the monikers are today
    Off topic ? Read the article and then the posts and you will find its not me thats off topic . Where does the article suggest conspiracy by the PM ? My comment related to the bizarre posts by some and you find that off topic ? So when you reply to yourself under a different moniker on a subject off topic to the article that then makes it on topic ? Reality versus news is the topic and fantasy isn,t mentioned but I guess off topic is your version of my topic , my bias my delusion .
    Dream on aka dakka aka

  268. thesoldierinwhite thesoldierinwhite

    I think all we know at the moment is that this whole thing was sparked by the Prime Ministers Office. Whatever happened after that happened and therefore Tony Abbott was put in danger by the PM’s Office and as such he should be asking for an apology from Julia Gillard. By getting her to apologise he gets her to admit some guilt, if she refuses or tries to spin her way out of it it reflects very badly on her.For me her press conference earlier today was an embarassment with no real detailed questions or follow-ups asked (or allowed?). She has gone on the attack because she knows she has trouble on her hands with this one. For once I hope our journalistic community do their jobs and actually get to the bottom of what really happened here. Abbott needs to remain above all the mudslinging and simply ask for an apoology.

    Jesus I hate politicians of all persuasions they really are scum bags….and for all those who think I’m an Abbott supporter, I actually think he is useless and have voted Labour all my life!! Just sooooo fed up with all of them.

  269. Masters Jill

    awww, why so serious everyone?

  270. Masters Jill

    this thread has reached a new low. even for crickey.

    laugh out loud funny.

  271. Masters Jill

    awww, ms gillard, you’ve got some splainin’ to do!

  272. Suzanne Blake

    @ Bob the builder

    If you have sand in your nappy, ask Mummy for a new one.

  273. Masters Jill

    let’s have it for the PM folks!

  274. Chris Johnson

    If only Tony Abbott had simply acknowledged that Australia Day means many things to many people and left it at that all the hurt, anger and misinformation generated since his tent embassy comment would never have occurred. The art of diplomatic commentary gets missed by Abbott too often. And again its turned out badly for him and the Murdoch press that also misconstrued his harmless statement about the tent embassy needing to move on as ‘its time to for the tent embassy to be moved’: http://is.gd/mS3S5kand; http://is.gd/1rZFA8. If Abbott wants to be PM and mix it with international leaders his diplomatic skills need to improve significantly. As do the reporting skills of our national media.

  275. Suzanne Blake

    @ Whistleblower

    And Bob Hawke losing his Trousers in Sydney and asking the then Head of Federal Police to find them.

    Gillard is fatally wounded with this, she will never recover. But will it be Rudd Mk II or someone else.

  276. Schnappi

    @SUZANNE BLAKE,
    C’mon now ,we all know it was Malcolm Fraser who lost his pants in America.take meds.

  277. Steve777

    It is now clear that a staffer in the PM’s office told a union official of Mr Abbott’s presence near the Tent Embassy, and that that staffer passed the information to participants in the Tent Embassy protest. I don’t know what happened or why, although many posters here apparently believe that they do.

    I think the old saying about conspiracies and stuff-ups applies here. I can’t for the life of me see why the PM would want to incite a riot / disturbance by Aboriginal activists and their supporters on Australia Day. It would be such grist to the mill of the PM’s and Labor’s enemies, including the usual shock jocks and the Murdoch tabloids, not to mention ACA/Today Tonight. Regardless of the rights or wrongs of what happened, they would beat the Government and the PM over the head with it for weeks. I would have thought it the sort of thing that a Labor PM would avoid like the plague.

    I believe that the disclosure of Mr Abbott’s whereabouts is a matter for concern, but until I see more information, I would think it very unlikely that the PM had anything to do with it.

  278. shepherdmarilyn

    What was sparked? Nothing happened to anyone.

  279. Suzanne Blake

    @ Steve777

    Gillards office did not incite racial tensions to embarrass Gillard, they did it to embarrass Abbott? But it backfired

    why?

    Cause the week after next Parliament resumes, the first day of Parliament the first polls of 2012 come out. There will be Labor polling ready before or at next Sundays caucus meeting, to ease the fears of the bankbenck.

    Gillard wants to start the 2012 with better polls, so her job is more secure.

    The laughable think is that Gillards Office has dealt her a death blow. They were too smart for themselves

  280. Suzanne Blake

    @ Schnappi

    Yes Fraser lost his pants and so did Hawke in Sussex Street, had the AFP recover them.

  281. Masters Jill

    @ SHEPHERDMARILYN – it’s not about what happened. it’s about what MAY of happened. no one needs to look at reality here, when all anyone needs to do is conjure scenarios of picket wielding maniacs who MAY have inflicted violence on the LOTO. as a matter of fact, I think the PM is GUILTEEE of trying to murder herself! TREASON! TREASON!

    i think fantasy speaks for itself here. Julia Gillard is guilty of TREASON for CONSPIRING to MURDER HERSELF!

    how low can this woman go?!?!?!?

  282. Masters Jill

    @SB – does your local RSL double as an internet cafe? the only way i can see you spout this drivel seriously is your severely sloshed.

  283. Suzanne Blake

    @ Bobalot

    You have fallen for Gillards (12 hour spin creation).

    The Aboriginal activist has already speared your theory, by saying that the people Gillards office briefed was running around saying that Abbott said this and that and he is over ther 400 metres away.

    Bad luck Bobalot, ALP caught with its pants down and hands on ankles.

  284. Patriot

    @STEVE777

    Gillard can explain her involvement to the Tentgate inquiry. If she is not called to give evidence it will be an outrage! This is too serious for Labor to have another cover-up. Images of this race riot have gone around the world and our reputation is at stake.

  285. Schnappi

    @SUZANNE BLAKE<
    Think your lying about Bob hawke losing his trousers in sussex street and recovered by the AFP.
    The only reference I can find is hawke was in his underpants eating a bowl of cherries whilst being interviewed by a reporter,so lets have a reference for what I believe is an outright lie.
    Do know you have got your facts wrong previously and not above outright lies.

  286. outside left

    Neo Cons, take a bow. Your stupidity has set a NEW WORLDS RECORD!! apologies to Ray Warren. No enquiry, no royal commission , just another sober nod from the middling class that the LIE berals are not the answer.FLOLL

  287. Suzanne Blake

    The AFP Commissioner at the time was interviewed and he mentioned it in passing.

    It was in a hotel in Sussex Street. The AFP Commissioner has his team find them. No big deal, it was in his drinking days.

  288. Schnappi

    @SUZANNE BLAKE,
    Not good enough, made up, or dreamed up,anything of that nature about Hawke would be recorded as common knowledge ,as is Fraser losing them is well recorded.As I said just sitting in his underpant being interviewed was even recorded.

  289. Suzanne Blake

    The AFP Commissioner at the time was Commisisoner Gay

  290. GeeWizz

    From the Weekend Australian:

    [“Ms Gillard said journalists at the event had told Mr Hodges that Mr Abbott had made comments earlier in relation to the tent embassy and called for people to move on.”

    ”Mr Hodges in having received this information from journalists waiting at The Lobby restaurant formed the view that these comments should be responded to,” Ms Gillard told reporters in Melbourne.”]

    When Dillard says these “comments should be responded to”, why was her press secretary involved in the response?

    [“The Prime Minister said Mr Hodges first contacted ACT Minister for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Affairs Chris Bourke.”]

    Ahhh doing the old ring around…. ATSIC Affairs Chris Bourke not available…. who else can we ring around to stir up some trouble with the Aboriginal Tent protest only meters away… but of course…

    [“When Dr Bourke was unavailable he was referred to ACT Unions secretary Kim Sattler.Ms Gillard said Mr Hodges spoke to Ms Sattler by phone.”]

    Get a Union Hack on the phone… of course! It’s the Labor way!

    [” ”Mr Hodges accurately conveyed to her the statement made by Mr Abbott,” the prime minister said.”]

    Was it accurate in that he said that Abbott had said we have moved on from the situation 40 years ago, or was in a bullsh1t Labor lie that he said that the tent embassy had to be moved on? I’m thinking the latter Dillards.

    [“She said Mr Hodges suggested to Ms Sattler that it may be appropriate for a couple of Aboriginal spokespeople to go to the restaurant to respond to Mr Abbott’s remarks.”]

    “Suggested” LOL…. Labor Spin anyone?

    “Hey he only suggested inciting a riot… he didn’t recommend it!”

    Dillards goose is cooked. This woman is a liar, a cheat and a FRAUD.

  291. GeeWizz

    Suzanne…. read the Weekend Aussie, Dillards goose is cooked.

    Her press secretary only “suggested” inciting a riot…. thats okay then

  292. Suzanne Blake

    @ GeeWhiz

    Thanks. Don’t need to read it. It is as clear as day.

    Notice NONE of Gillards front bench have been out today supporting her.

    Its the quietest 30 hours in The Gillard / Rudd Governments history.

    They know their goose is cooked, now they are working out Plan B, C and D.

  293. Schnappi

    @SUZANNE BLAKE,
    Sorry ,but your story does not add up and still have say you have lied,happen to know who the commissioner was in 1983 when hawkw served 1983 to 1991 ,who was Maj General Ronald Grey

  294. Schnappi

    @GEEWIZZ ,
    Anyone who believes the australian or telegraph must think rupert in the UK scandal is a saint.

  295. Suzanne Blake

    @ Schnappi

    There were RIGHT on this incident of incitment of racial tensions before you were!!.

  296. GeeWizz

    [“Anyone who believes the australian or telegraph must think rupert in the UK scandal is a saint”]

    We have just had Dillard basically admit to everything, why are you being so ignorant of reality?

    Tin foil hats… dataway

  297. GeeWizz

    I actually feel most sorry not for Abbott, but the Aboriginl protestors(not the socialist alliance blow ins though) who were taken for fools by Gillard and her media stuntsman.

    Gillards media stuntsmen told them an untruth to stir up a riot and they feel for it hook, line and sinker and now have a stigma on them nationally. How bout Gillard says “SORRY” to those people she conned?

  298. Suzanne Blake

    @ Geewizz

    Gillard doesn’t care about them, or saying sorry, she is about saving her bacon.

    Anyway she is at the Womens Final at the Tennis. That is now much she cares about them.

  299. Schnappi

    @SUZANNE BLAKE<
    Something I posted is waiting approval,but it deals with your statement about Commissioner Gay,funny but when hawke was pm 1983 t0 1991 the commissione was Maj Ronald Grey and after him there was no gay at all,so how do you account for slandering bob hawke, your so called facts have to be lies.

  300. GeeWizz

    There have been some serious…. very very serious accusations against ACT Unions secretary Kim Sattler regarding her comments to Aboriginal leaders after the phone call from Hodges(confirmed by Gillard).

    Where is Ms Sattler, and what actions is the PM taking in regards to her membership and involvement in the Australian Labor Party?

  301. outside left

    In the Nostradamus league,\you are a Fail. jGil pm still in 13, haddley back driving cabs, alan totally censored because my homo friends outted his favourite pecadillios[shaven and delicious!!!] FU

  302. Suzanne Blake

    @ GeeWizz

    Gillard is doing nothing, hoping it will blow over, she is in the Corporate Box at the Tennis. That why she had to front the media. Not a good look suddenly appearing in the Corporate Box.

    Do as I say, not as I do.

    Ms Sattler and Ms Gillard will talk, straighten out the story and pledge loyalty to their cause. Tony Hidges is the scapegoat and thei will try and quaranteen it.

  303. geomac

    Sorry to interrupt the two way conversation by one person or is a three by one person ?
    Well I can take your word about the PM at the tennis , hope she has ear plugs watching those two screamers . Myself I can,t cop it no matter how good the tennis maybe. Finally something I can accept as having some basis in fact from SB aka whatever .

  304. Suzanne Blake

    @ outside left

    is onto their second bottle, trying to forget the demise of Gillard.

  305. Suzanne Blake

    @ geomac

    No she does not have ear plugs in, she may like the screamers!!.

  306. Masters Jill

    after reading this thread i’m considering taking up heroin.
    that must be the only way to unsee this travesty.

  307. Peter Ormonde

    So now we have Gillard admitting to organising her own almost assassination. Or that of the Great and Illustrious Leader of His People. (Tony Abbott if you don’t realise it.)

    And yet here she is conniving with a mob of riotous ungrateful Aboriginal people (“But they didn’t look like Aboriginal much did they?” “No But you can’t tell nowadays. Just ask Andre Blott.”) Working on ways to expose herself, His Gloriousness and her well trained, professional and capable coppers. My God they could have all been killed…

    The depths to which this red haired hussy will stoop – nay stumble – semi-shod -even to the point of possible death … just to win a sympathetic headline. It’s pathetic. And Suzanne Blake is a complete and utter wake-up to her ploys. Thank God you’re here Sooz.

    You just get back from another Bali buying trip with yer central coast homies or sumfink???? Really mate this is deeply unhinged stuff – even for you.

  308. Suzanne Blake

    @ Peter Ormonde

    Except Gillard’s minders expected the trouble to centre (only) on Abbott alone, so she could walk free and blame him for causing racial tension on Australia Day.

    It backfired and now Gillard is the one.

    So Peter Ormonde, spin it like you use to, its obvious to the mainstream

  309. Schnappi

    No commissioner Gay SUZANNE BLAKE

  310. Hargrave John

    I think the reaction to the riot by the Federal Police was a complete over reaction. There should have been an orderly movement og the PM and Tony Abbott from the restaurant., but I suppose it was the 15 minute of fame the Police wanted. The action of Tony Hodges is pretty typical of the young- just out of Uni Labor staffers trying to make mischief in the background-writing Ministerial speeches, (the American President) holding up ‘Ditch the Witch’ signs to create sympathy for the PM- etc. Tony Abbott meant for the Aboriginal cause to ‘move on’ in the metaphorical sense, through better dialogue, etcnot physical sense. No person in Parliament has a greater desire to improve the lot of the Aborigines than Tony Abbott. However the scene of the rag doll PM being dragged out from the restaurant was a bad look, nationally and internationally and is symbolic of the shambolic Australia has had under this lady, falling from one diaster to another. Hopefully this event will be the trigger that Labor uses to switch to a new leader, probably Kevin Rudd, with the Qld election forthcoming. A sad and sorry day for us all.

  311. Masters Jill

    SUZANNE BLAKE = most successful troll ever.

    my hat’s off to you.

  312. Suzanne Blake

    @ Hargrave John

    Wow was it a Labor staffer who held up the “Ditch The Witch” sign

    @ Masters Jill

    Call me what you like, I represent the mainstream in my marginal electorate. Wake up and smell the roses in marginal seats.

  313. Suzanne Blake

    @ Schnappi

    Ron Gay (appointed by Fraser at the end of his term, retained by Hawke)
    Ex Military Guy, Army I believe.

    Google searches wont work, its pre the PC!!

  314. Suzanne Blake

    Actually could have been Ron Gray or Ron Grey.

  315. Masters Jill

    well, since ‘Netochka Nezvanova’, of course

  316. Masters Jill

    you’re good, subo, i’ll give you that.

  317. Hargrave John

    @Suzanne Blake
    You look as though you lead exciting Saturday nights!

  318. Steve777

    @Suzanne Blake and others – it an interesting hypothesis that the PM set about to engineer a riot to make Tony Abbott look bad, but I don’t buy it. If the PM were that cynical enough (not to say clever enough) to manipulate events in this way, a riot at the ‘Convoy of no confidence’ would have suited her purposes much better. But Aboriginal activists and their supporters? Labor or anyone vaguely on the left would always be attacked through a kind of ‘guilt by association’, just as they would be if unionists or environmentalists were seen to behave badly (or the Murdoch tabloids could convince enough people that they were).

    Tony Abbott has credibility in the area of indigenous affairs and I don’t for a minute believe that he wanted to stir up trouble – he just said what he thought. But the Liberal Party has been dog whistling to racists since at least the time of Pauline Hanson’s maiden speech. The events of the other day play straight into the hands of the more cynical on the right. I don’t think Tony Abbott or the Liberals can lose votes by being seen to be unsympathetic to the Tent Embassy or to the cause of Aborigines more generally. And I expect that Labor apparatchiks know this unless they are really stupid.

  319. Schnappi

    @SUZANNE BLAKE ,
    Seems your starting to admit what you said about hawke was not a fact,I posted who the person was as I served with him, instead of ron it is ronald ,rank Maj General nothing like gay who did not find hawkes pants as there were none to find,it was only fraser.

  320. Peter Ormonde

    Gay, Grey, Brigadier, Corporal, Hawke, Fraser … details, details niggly little details. Why do you small people worry about such trivia!!!

    Look Schnapps … when you’re one of the Tony Abbott Action Team – got the running on the rails of life with your claws clamped onto the political pulse – with just heaps of secret inside information and the personal weltenschauung of a Google satellite then these details – facts you might call them – are essentially discretionary. Clouding the view from space, if you like.

    Sooz knows see – just knows. A woman of very firm convictions. And convictions are of course what it’s all about. Charges are laid and we proceed straight through to verdict and sentencing. There is no need for evidence or your piddling “facts”. Just convictions.

    Lay off those cones Sooz. Think of the kiddies.

    Just as well she hasn’t boned up on her Leviticus. Her sentencing could be extremely gravelly. Even worse than the spelling.

  321. GeeWizz

    Oh Petseys!

    It was only a few hours ago you were calling the police wallopping thugs who were content on beating the day lights out of the protestors.

    Now you’ve done the Labor Arabian Double Triple Pike Twist with a 720 Degree SPIN and now those awful awful coppers were actually saving Dillards life.

    FROM WHAT?! I watch the video footage over and over and over again and there was 1 old geezer who gets pushed into the hand railings while Dillards coming down the stairs… body guard prince charming holding her tight and riot police with shields… apparantly… protecting her from NOTHINGNESS.

    This was a CLASS A Dillard media stunt. Lets not sugar coat it…. she staged it… and she’s been busted. She couldn’t even Race Bait a riot properly… how useless is this woman?

  322. Schnappi

    @Peter Ormonde,
    So you prefer lies instead of facts, so does abbott .not sure if your joking about sb or not .

  323. Masters Jill

    close geez, close.

    but not quite in soobz terrorty.

    you need to do better. less facts more innuendo. don’t forget to call TREASON, seen?

  324. Peter Ormonde

    Troofie … nice to have youse back.

    Are you Suzanne Blake’s research assistant or summfink. Neither of youse can get nuffink right.

    I did not call the coppers walloping thugs or anything like it. I called them wallopers. It’s a term of endearment. Like the bill or the rozzers, peelers or any other number of endearing terms for the filth.

    But I must agree that yes it’s come to a pretty pass when the leader of this vast white land can’t even organise a decent assassination or violent race riot. What’s the world coming to Troofie? Where were the guns? Why didn’t the Lobby burn? Where were the SEAL teams????

    She’s made us a global laughingstock … even at the EU!!!! What would that President Obama be thinking of us? Yes the butt of jokes – a pillar of fun – that’s what we are …. And on this our national day. .. our birthday.

    I’ve heard already from the Menzies House Nerve Centre that Greek shoppers are carrying riot shields through their empty malls pushing over pensioners and falling about in fits. Well you would wouldn’t you?

    Bigger than anything anyone’s ever seen before! Oh yes. And the flag burning my god the flag burning. That would be Gillard all over. I am just appalled – no APPALLED – by her pathetic efforts to win our sympathy. She will find none. None of us will.

  325. Schnappi

    Know on the internet there are liberal hacks,and now think in crikey that SB has multiple identities,which is a bit how abbott runs his campaign.

  326. Masters Jill

    APPLED – my gosh mr ormonde, you’ve stirred my stew.

  327. GeeWizz

    [“Know on the internet there are liberal hacks,and now think in crikey that SB has multiple identities,which is a bit how abbott runs his campaign.”]

    Schnappi, we don’t need multiple personalities, if you haven’t been checking the polls lately you’d be interested to discover Gillards in the proverbial sh1tter.

    In Gillards press conference today she pinned the entire blame on Hodges and says he… and only he acted alone on this media stunt. But whose this person we keep hearing about….. one… Kim Sattler of the ACT Trade Unions?

    Why would the ALP media stuntsman be contacting the ACT Unions head about the going ons of Tony Abbott? Because the Unions are part of Labor and Labor is part of the Trade Unions.

    Kevin Rudd tried to reduce the power of Trade Unions in Federal Labor and we all remember how that turned out for him, so I can understand why Dillard is doing some ar5e covering, she knows not to bite the hand that feeds her. She is trying to contain the fire… but I think Abbott nor the media will let this one stand and will want a couple more answers than “blame it on Hodges”.

  328. Peter Ormonde

    Actually Schnapps I’m increasingly certain that it’s more a lack of identity than a multiplicity … but there’s a grinding relentless sameness to it all isn’t there. They don’t get out much.

    I reckon they get paid – not very much or the Libs might get some gadflies that can spell or even read. But people who think like Troofie, Suzanne and the like don’t move far unless money is involved. Perhaps they are lured by prizes beyond measure like dinner or brunch with the Illustrious (almost) Leader or Cory Bernardi or maybe even breakfast with Barnaby Joyce. Strewth I’d throw together a new identity myself for a chance at that!

  329. Ian

    @Bob the Builder,

    Indeed some of the hateful , ignorant commentators on this sight should be barred from further comment. Their comments only serve to undermine and clog serious discussion on the issues of importance that this article serves to cultivate. As best I can I try to skip over these tasteless “snippets of wisdom”.

  330. Schnappi

    HI GEEWIZZ,
    Always thought of you as being one of SB alias in hotpants.

  331. Masters Jill

    wait wait,wait. all of you.

    you’re all forgetting the fact the prime minister, by not talking to her staff, has committed TREASON! has no one forgotten that the staff member acting alone has inadvertently acted on the PM’s orders to commit TREASON? why is no one addressing this? IT’S OBVIOUSLY the PM’s plan. I mean, think about it. by not consulting with her staff she KNEW that her staff would CONSPIRE to murder both her AND the LOTO.

    JULIA GILLARD is GUILTY beyond all REASONABLE doubt of CONSPIRING to MURDER HERSELF.

    WAKE UP PEOPLE. we’re through the looking glass here. this is HUGE! HHUUUUGGE!!!

    forget chris thomas or whoever he is, JULIA GILLARD IS GUILTY OF TREASON AND MURDER!

  332. Patriot

    On top of everything else, this illustrates perfectly just how dangerous the Red-Green coalitions push for North Korean style media regulation is. Members of the media have been used and played for a bunch of suckers in this plot, but many will be reluctant to speak out for fear of retribution when Labor and the Greens get their draconian powers to silence and punish them. Having said that, there are plenty who will go along with it simply because they’re up Labors a_s.

  333. Masters Jill

    “PATRIOT” = fool.

    dude seriously, get your shyt together. learn what powers are behind net censorship. quit making an a55 of yourself.

  334. Patriot

    I’m talking about media regualtion, fool. Not copyright enforcement. Typical brain-dead lefty/anarchist/conspiracy nut. Everything is about Rupert Murdoch and big, evil corporations to you crackpots, isn’t it?

  335. Masters Jill

    yeah good job mate.

  336. Patriot

    Stephen Conroy. There you go. There’s someone behind internet censorship if that’s what you want to talk about.

  337. Masters Jill

    you brought it up mate.

  338. Patriot

    I’m not your mate and I didn’t bring it up. Internet censorship and media regulation are distinct issues, albeit overlapping.

  339. Masters Jill

    yeah, good job mate

  340. Masters Jill

    you did bring it up, though.

  341. Peter Ormonde

    Yes Mr Patriot you’re dead right… North Korea … they know how to handle razor wire properly up there.

    Why I myself have seen vast squadrons of schoolchildren bussed into the paddocks around Canberra rehearsing that stuff they do with the cards – you know, the human pixel business.

    I’m looking forward to it myself but I can understand your concerns. Fashion just takes a back seat and you probably won’t get to visit those “special sites” you might like to visit after everyone’s gone to sleep.

    Not that anyone can sleep … what with all the chanting and the streets being lined with throngs of joyous flag waving kiddies just in case Chairman Conroy’s convoy speeds past at 3 am.

    Really what on earth are you doods tooting?

  342. Patriot

    No. Have another read, dumb lefty.

  343. Patriot

    Peter, you’re just a clueless, immature troll with nothing of substance to add to this discussion. I can barely make sense of your gibberish and it certainly isn’t funny.

  344. Masters Jill

    “dumb lefty” – wow, witty and insightful, mate

  345. Schnappi

    Four more murdoch arrests in the UK ,time to challenge murdochs open support for a lying abbott.

  346. Patriot

    So do you have an opinion on the Office of the Prime Minister inciting a race riot, or are you just here to be a troll like Peter Ormonde?

  347. Peter Ormonde

    Pat,

    Of course you can’t make sense of my gibberish. It’s a long list these things you don’t make sense of mate innit?

    And of course you won’t think you’re funny – you take yourself very seriously indeed.

    Patriotism the last refuge of the scoundrel. Johnson if memory serves.

    Not funny indeed. You’re a hoot!

  348. Schnappi

    Wondering about freedom of speech and freedom of the press ,when a moderator stops someone from posting a known fact,I have been defending hawke because he was slandered and the moderator allowed the person to slander ,but not allow a factual rebuttal.
    Freedom of the press and speech,but for whom.

  349. Patriot

    More nonsense. I do not value your opinion, you oaf!

  350. Schnappi

    This subject is dead as the PM is going to slay abbott and his hasbeens over the economy ,she has already stated that all economic factors are lower than under howards hasbeens who still waffle on today.
    Even sb cannot refrute that unemployment is lower ,inflation is lower and intrest rates are lower ,all lower than howards 11 years of disaster.
    Howard said intrest rates would be always be lower under a liberal government ,never mentioned the dumb nats,however the intrest rates are much lower under labor.
    Abbott and his no nothing clowns would stuff the lot.

  351. Patriot

    Schnappi,

    Odd that you don’t mention government debt in your metrics of economic success. They spent more than they had artificially stimulating the economy and didn’t get good value for it. (eg Pink Batts, removing Pink Batts, school hall rip offs, green loan rorts, etc.). The money is gone and they can’t stimulate and make figures look pretty anymore. They are going to be seen for the clowns they are now.

  352. Schnappi

    abbott wants an afp investigation,however afp said they have to have a referal,bet abbott,pyne or the incompetant brandis are too gutless to do it ,think I will challenge and sue abbott over the waste he causes to the taxpayer.

  353. GeeWizz

    So Dillard denies knowing one Mrs Kim Sattler….. meanwhile over on Sattlers facebook page, she’s got happy snaps with the PM:
    www .heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/outed-unionist-kim-sattler-says-pm-julia-gillards-story-is-inaccurate/story-fn7x8me2-1226256247775

    Can the REAL Julia Gillard please stand up?

  354. Patriot

    Her track record for being a terrible judge of character is grounds in itself to call for her resignation. First her relationship with Bruce Wilson, now we discover she has an association with this character, Ms Sattler.

    Gillard looks absolutely plastered in that photo.

  355. shepherdmarilyn

    Three columns in the Terror today talking about some “riot” at the tent embassy, yet not a thing happened anywhere near the tent embassy.

  356. Suzanne Blake

    @ shepherdmarilyn

    Well done on getting your letter on refugees in the east coast newspapers today.

  357. Suzanne Blake

    @ Patriot

    Now Sattler disputes Gillards version of events and has gone into hiding.

    I wonder which has the best form at telling li es?

    I wonder if Sattler has been asked to take the fall for Gillard?

  358. Suzanne Blake

    Schnappi

    Inflation is low now because of the economy. Unemployment will rise this year and has already. 2011 was the worst year for job creation for a long time in Australia

  359. Suzanne Blake

    @ Steve777

    Its simple really.

    Gillard needs a good start in 2012 and to improve her poll numbers dramatically.

    The Gillard Office saw Australia Day with all the TV coverage at the Awards to embarrass Abbott.

    They spread a rumour with the Aboriginies, told them where Abbott was, was telling the press gallery that the anger at the Restaurant was the fault of Abbotts (and they reported that).

    The whole thing has backfired and now Gillard is blaming Hodges and Sattler and now Sattler is refuting the story.

    Could not be worse for Gillard.

    Here is the ACID TEST – NONE of Gillards front bench have been out to support her since Australia Day – not one. What does that tell you?

    They are letting her take the hit, and they are on the phone behind the scenes working out what to do.

    Rudd is laughing.

  360. Suzanne Blake

    @ Schnappi

    It happened, I almost had his name right, and corrected it before you did!!

  361. Whistleblower

    Are we expected to believe that nobody has scripted Kim Sadler’s response to dovetail in with that of the PM in 36 hours or so after the event. Furthermore if Ms Sattler has nothing to hide, why is she in hiding?

    The simple facts are one of the PM’s staff contacted Ms Sattler, factually incorrect information relating to Tony Abbott’s comments circulated within the crowd at the tent embassy, and a riot ensued.

    This matter should be investigated by either ACT or Federal Police, and Hodges Sattler and other involved parties should be formally interviewed by the relevant police force.

    Apparently the AFP need a referral before they can investigate. Surely this is political interference. The “keystone cops” were there and saw what happened. Why do they need a referral?

  362. Schnappi

    @SUZANNE BLAKE,
    No you did not.the moderator did not post where I said I knew Maj General Ronald Grey,and Bob Hawke did not lose his pants.Like most of your posts,you dream it,or make it up.

  363. Suzanne Blake

    @ Whistleblower

    Its an open and shut case for Gillards Office.

    The fact that no Labor Front Benchers or back benchers have been in the media on this issue in the last 3 days proves it.

    Gillard is flapping in the wind on this one.

  364. Suzanne Blake

    @ Schnappi

    I can assure you it is true. If you know him ask him. He will give an honest answer.

    A long time has passed and its not a state secret.

  365. Peter Ormonde

    Nah Mr Blower … we don’t need to waste time with interviews and evidence and such stuff … we just know she did it don’t we? There’s smoke – there’s fire. If she’s done nothing wrong there’s nothing to hide. It was Gillard on the grassy knoll.

    Inspired by my theological readings of late I find myself increasingly drawn to those old time judicial techniques available to the Spanish Inquisition – back before the liberals and nanny staters began to cramp the style of the forces of niceness…you know that cool stuff like dropping the heretic into boiling oil and seeing if they float.

    Law enforcement should move with the times. And these times favour persecution, the assumption of guilt and a level of loathing and hatred that harks back to those halcyon days of unfettered jurisprudence and witchburning.

    I know – let’s put the entire government out on contract. We could hand the whole show over to Serco. And a procedures manual written by Leviticus.

    Buy quarry shares now folks. You heard it here first. Gravel up dudes.

  366. Suzanne Blake

    @ Peter Ormonde

    As an ex Union official / employee of Hawke / Keating, we expect you to back Gillard to the bitter end.

    trove.nla.gov.au/work/12034243?selectedversion=NBD4925703

  367. Schnappi

    @SUZANNE BLAKE,
    Like anything you say you have no facts,Ronald Grey was only there for half Hawkes term,I know who was their for the other half ,they did 3 years each in Hawkes term of office,so SB what year did it happen?you will not know as it did not happen ,it was only Fraser who was caught without pants.
    The main point is you make up or imagine to suit your political bias.

  368. Peter Ormonde

    Now Sooz,

    I know you “foresnic auditors” aren’t too worried about facts and evidence and trivial stuff but if you are going to pretend to have evidence please get the links right. The link provided goes nowhere.

    Never been a union official, never been employed by Hawke or Keating… but heck why let a few facts get in the way of one of your off-the-shelf convictions.

    What is it – 10 cents a post or is it an hourly rate?

  369. Suzanne Blake

    @ Schnappi

    He was there at the end of Fraser and start of Hawke as I said. It happened, ask him

  370. Harper TrueBlue

    Amy you say your words show the reality – you would have know then by visuals and realise as details unfold the falseness of that statement. You like many others will only present words that suit your cause and your belief and so will Crikey who chose to run your story. Social media is teaching people to think for themselves and as such replies to your comments identify if people believe everything they read or have the intelligence to source the truth through all mediums – and if anyone finds an unbiased social network or media please let us know.

  371. Schnappi

    @SUZANNE BLAKE,
    You can google anything about hawke or fraser and it is all there but what you say is not,rather believe google than you,and it is ridicuolous to say if hawke lost his pants it would not be there ,anything important about both is there for all to see,but no hawke pants,anyway better things to do than explain things to people who make outrageous statements without any facts.

  372. Suzanne Blake

    @ Schnappi

    It did not hit the media, cause the AFP kept a lid on it. It happened

  373. Peter Ormonde

    Ah Sooz….

    Really we must do something about these delusions of omniscience.

    This “incident” of Bob Hawke’s trousers – the one that didn’t hit the media because of an AFP conspiracy – the one that has never made it into print, onto the net, into a biography or radio report…. how did you uncover it…. sitting up there in the Central Coast with the kids and the bird? More messages sneaking in through that flimsy Chinese foil under the beanie?

    But heck Sooz if you’re saying it it’s just gotta be true innit? Who would argue the fine details with the Oracle of Ourimbah? Certainly not me.

    IGA has the Alcan foil 30M roll on special this week. Should be enough for a whole fortnight’s worth of hats I’d wager.

  374. Patriot

    Peter,

    “Never been a union official, never been employed by Hawke or Keating”

    Fine, you’re an eco-Communist;

    http://au.search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oGkmtjjCRPwzcAimwL5gt.?p=%22peter%20ormonde%22%20%22paul%20shanley%22&fr2=sb-top&fr=yfp-t-501-s&rd=r1

    Happier with that description?

  375. Chris Johnson

    Here is the transcript of the Abbott interview: http://yfrog.com/oebtnup and here’s the video http://youtu.be/MUZjlYrQfsA
    Q: Do you think the tent embassy should move? A: Yes, I think its time to move on from that.
    If Mr Abbott declared he would ‘move on’ from politics what would you think he meant?
    If Mr Abbott told his Party it should ‘move on’ from its policy stance on the CPRS – how would it be reported?

  376. Dee

    It’s a pitty people don’t ignore TROLLS!

    Having said that, this was a very one-sided article, no wonder it attracted such vitriol. As a “thinking” person, I’ve decided to believe something inbetween this article and the “mainstream media” account.

    What a pitty we can’t have an intelligent debate about reconciliation, effective protesting, media spin, etc.

  377. Suzanne Blake

    @ Patriot

    Great Spotting – Communist Party no less. I was too generious saying Labor.

    Statement by Peter Ormonde and Paul Shanley, Communist Party of Australia, Ecology Action Group. Newcastle Morning Herald, 1978 April 20.

    Laughable

  378. Peter Ormonde

    “Patriot”…

    Well 1978 is probably a bit far back … but yes I’ll happily admit to being a spokesman for the Newcastle Ecology Action Group back then – the pre-attenborough period you’ll note. Deeply deeply subversive lot we were too.

    Sadly – well fortunately really – some of my other adolescent attachments have faded into oblivion but as noted above I still have a curious fondness for North Korean interactive labor-intensive plasma screens comprising many thousands of human pixels and a heap of cardboard. It appeals to a sense of Luddite absurdity.

    Anyway – I hope it helps if you can fit me in to some sort of political category – any sort at all will do… even if you are talking of the teenage me. I had more hair then too. And a much more pollyanna notion of human nature.

    But your taxonomy seems to based on the idea that people never grow up. Some revert to hiding behind a flag. Some never come out. See as for “Patriot” – every time I try and google that up all I keep getting is Samuel Johnson quotes about scoundrels and refuges.

  379. taylormade

    Auastralia Day 2012 is getting grubbier by the minute. Who is the 2nd staffer ??

  380. Peter Ormonde

    Ah yes – the second staffer – that’d be the one on the grassy knoll.

    Actually I just heard somewhere that Gillard’s shoe was not inadvertently discarded in her pathetic attempts to flee for her life… rather she threw it, Iraqi style – or had a staffer throw it – at her police escort in a tawdry effort to drum up some racial aggro for the press.

    Orstraya Day – an annual national celebration of political grubbery, madness and paranoia … how thoroughly apt.

  381. Suzanne Blake

    @ Taylormade

    The Gillard media team, who were at the restaurant were telling the media that the protest was because of what Abbott said. So they were all creating racial tensions.

    Then you have this, from a LOYAL Gillard supporter and Union leader

    But Ms Sattler (Unions ACT) , who said she was a well-known “go-between” with the Tent Embassy, denied Ms Gillard’s recollection of the events and said Mr Hodges told her Mr Abbott wanted to close the site down.

    Ms Sattler told The Sunday Telegraph she had passed on the information about Mr Hodges’ involvement to the AFP on Friday and was told by Ms Gillard’s communications director John McTernan that she would be publicly named.

    “That’s the reality of politics. I am the meat in the sandwich here. I am the messenger who is being shot,” Ms Sattler said.

    —————–

    This has a long time to run, before the complete truth is revealed.

    Gillard can’t take a tricks and what comes around goes around.

  382. klewso

    Now Peter, you know that was a typo – it should have been “forescin auditor”.

  383. Suzanne Blake

    @ Peter Ormonde

    I guess being a member of the Communist Party Peter, you would have liked to see the domino theory actually happen?

    So enlighten me, when is the left most party in Australia

    Labor
    Greens
    Socialist Alliance

    or it too hard to tell now.

  384. GeeWizz

    [“Here is the ACID TEST – NONE of Gillards front bench have been out to support her since Australia Day – not one. What does that tell you?”]

    Yes did you see here presser? Usuaully she’d be surrounded by a minister or two…. but nope… no one… not even a backbencher in sight.

    Kevin Rudd will be crunching the numbers tonight and will be running the Leaks-Hotline phone off the hook with what really happened.

  385. Patriot

    Peter,

    I don’t think you can claim to have grown up. If your views on splashing our taxes on special, exclusive rights and welfare entitlements for Aboriginals is any guide, you still seem to believe in the idea of “from each according to his ability, to each according to his need.”

  386. GeeWizz

    To be fair… even Peter Costello was part of a Young Socialists club back in the 70’s.

    Seems to have been the hip thing at the time

  387. Peter Ormonde

    Sooz,

    It did happen …. haven’t you noticed? Who’s buying up all those luxury apartments in Chatswood you are so worried about? Who owns our coal?

    Come on Sooz you know it makes sense – we have captured the UN – and the EU, the World Bank and the IMF and all those acronyms. The yanks are living and breathing on Chinese credit. There is a communist muslim running America. The insidiously infiltrated Old Left is making the world hotter. We have the Beloved and Illustrious leader Kim Il Conroy steaming ahead with the new Ministry of Truth. Ah yes, the master plan is coming along nicely.

    As to the almost interesting part of your post – who is “Leftier” nowdays – my vote would actually go to the National Party – it least to the extent that they cling to the rhetoric of state handouts and agrarian protectionism. Maybe Bob Katter’s new lot…. lot’s of stuff about encouraging Australian manufacturing and local industry – the left did that too. Silly stuff. As though a hot-housed Australian “capitalist” class would be worth having.

    And strangely enough – another thing the Left did was go in swinging for Aboriginal people. Not just the coms… I’m talking way back to the First Fleeters when the idea of a mob of people without kings, lords, magistrates and earls was a subversively attractive proposition. You patriots and flag wavers should have a read of some of this stuff actually.

    Anyway, if there is anyone sensible out there who isn’t on hols fishing) who’d like to have a chat about Sooz’s inadvertently interesting question or maybe some of the actual issues about our relationship with Blacks and country that would be nice. It’s too hot here to do any work.

  388. Suzanne Blake

    @ GeeWizz

    Wouldn’t you love to be hearing the phone calls, seeing the emails between the Labor Federal team and the facless men at the moment. It would be a gripping movie.

    I wonder who the first front bencher to show her / his face will be?

    @ Comrade Peter Ormonde

    “What is it – 10 cents a post or is it an hourly rate?”

    You will be proud of me. I am doing it for The State for free. Not expecting a cent from The State, in your finest Communist tradition

  389. Suzanne Blake

    @ Peter Ormonde

    Yes, I am actually worried about who is buying this and that:

    1. The housing / units, where do our kids get a place eventually and at what price

    2. Have you been to a commercial auction lately and see who is buying commercial real estate at low yields. I was at one and a KFC in SW Sydney was snapped up on a 20 year lease at 3.70% yield. This is not even covering the cost of money, why?

    3. I am VERY concerned about the farmland, and the fact that small neighbouring parcels are being bought by the same or similiar entities, so they get under the cap and can merge them.

    4. I am also concerned that overseas interest are buying mining first like its gone out of business. One such group bought an Iron Ore medium sized company in such a way that entities from the same office in Asia bought 4.99%, until they had over 50% and now the one entity owns them. They run a limo business in Asia.

    The Liberals, Nationals and Labor are all asleep at the wheel over this one.

    We are indeed under threat and the pollies are asleep, for fear of being labelled racist.

  390. johhno

    If a policeman tells me to “move on” – I move away.
    If Abbott says the tent embassy should “move on” how the hell are they supposed to interpret it?
    Figuratively perhaps?
    From someone who applauds his own straight-talking how the hell could it be interpreted other than literally?

  391. geomac

    Well the trolls from Menzies house have had a busy time with this article . Bernardi must be pleased with effort even if quality is lacking .
    Interesting for me was the ” disclosure ” about Peter Ormonde ” in that it revealed a man who unlike me doesn,t just use a moniker but is up front . Strange that a person who uses a moniker claiming to be a patriot attacks a person for not only standing up and defending his position but being public on it .
    SB aka aka makes some strange claim about an ex ALP figure that not only lacks any fact but can only relate to a former lib . Last week SB also made a comment about the value of the aussie dollar over the last decade that was not only incorrect but any primary school kid could see was wrong from one look at the graph . When this was pointed out SB changed the facts/timeline to the last five years . Thats the quality or more correctly the lack of quality from Menzies house and its acolytes aka lackies . Surely there is no payment involved for such inferior work but maybe a promise of future employment ?
    Well done Marilyn on the letter for its content and moderate use of english to get the letter printed . Another person who is out there like Peter and doesn,t hide behind a moniker of an unproven quality or defect .Patriotism the last bastion of the coward is a useful saying to remember when dealing with some people . Geomac is a combo of my first and last name and patriot to me is yank but of course its universal . I guess being a Bernadi stooge patriot is appropriate seeing he is behind the Menzies house yank style rubbish . Thankfully I left behind my catholic upbringing before the likes of Bernardi and Abbott raised their profiles .

  392. Patriot

    So, we’re commenting on a story about a guy being attacked by a mob of rioting lefties because he expressed a view that conflicted with theirs and then someone disclosed information about him, specifically his location. And now you want me to do my own disclosing? Honestly, you Communists are not all there.

  393. GeeWizz

    [“If Abbott says the tent embassy should “move on” how the hell are they supposed to interpret it?
    Figuratively perhaps?”]

    He never said the Tent Embassy should move on… you are a little bit like Hodges and Sattler, making stories up.

    Abbott was talking about the issues of 40 Years ago and said we should “move on” from those because a lot has changed.

    He never mentioned anything about moving on the tent embassy. You must work for the PM’s media department with rubbish like that.

  394. Peter Ormonde

    Are but that’s the problem innit Patriot? We are all there … hidden away in the UN tower blocks and the university climate change departments and the International Bureau of Weights and Measures … plotting, scheming, hatching… as we do. And in the Press Gallery – oh yes the place is full of reds – and the ABC… and SBS… we are drawn irresistibly to acronyms. That should help when it’s time for the big clean out.

    But no no no – don ‘t tell us your name – I wouldn’t expect a person with your opinions to open themselves up to sweeping public ridicule. Too much to ask. So I haven’t.

    But we know who you are.

    Anyway congrats on mastering google – wasn’t that hard was it, now. Now if we can only get Sooz and Troofie looking stuff up before they form an opinion. Buckleys.

  395. taylormade

    Do not know a lot about ACT govt and frankly do not want to know, but strikes me as strange that Hodges 1st tried to contact the ACT chief minister and being told he was unavailable was referred to the ACT union sec.

    Is there a deputy chief minister ?? or is that the ACT union sec ??

    There are so many questions that still need answering and this has a long long way to go, Referred by whom ?

    Re lack of support from ministers, i expect that at a minimum, they will want a review of the structure of the prime misters office. Similar to the criticism of Rudd from minsters / backbenchers in relation to his team of inexperienced twenty something advisers

  396. Suzanne Blake

    Crickey Milestone

    400 posts on this story

    Congratulations Amy McQuire

  397. Patriot

    Peter, if you’re going to be a TROLL and make posts like that with no argument and just a bunch of facetious innuendo you can’t really complain about coming under scrutiny yourself. If you made arguments I would attack them instead. And anyone can google and try to find other places where I comment to find out more about me if they think it’s an important subject for discourse here. I just assumed you and your comrades would be doing that furiously right now.

  398. Peter Ormonde

    Now seriously old anonymous mate … why would any be doing that?

    Just to find more anonymous opinions? They’re a dime a dozen. Like tagging and graffiti.

    But some of them are informed, educated, genuine and worth having a discussion with. Sadly fewer and fewer here.

    Any way we’d already have you down on one of our lists wouldn’t we? That’s what we do. Probably from scouts.

    Yep we make lists and organise race riots where no one shows up. Except some very excited coppers. Sadly they didn’t have a water-cannon. Bet they get one for next year’s Orstraya Day sellebrations. Let’s all hope so. A free society cannot tolerate such an uninsurable risk.

  399. geomac

    SB and others aka,s Congratulations belong to Menzies house and its minions such as yourself for a prodigious output of US style tea party tripe . Milo party perhaps , a beverage that doesn,t have the strength of coffee or even tea but can be good for kiddies or dementia patients . Known to cause the squirts if taken to much or too literally .
    Patmalone or Patrician or pat the dog . Its you who looked up a poster and yet you feign distrust about others ? Paranoid aren,t we ? If I google Menzies house acolyte will you come up ? DLP stooge maybe , emblem is a burnin g candle on an alter of pedo priests . Oh thats too much of a stereotype , too easy to brand someone but DLP and the Santamaria brigade are like that . Ive seen both the inside and outside of the tent and the air is fresher , cleaner outside of the Bernardi DLP poison .

  400. GeeWizz

    Hey Peter,

    Can we have your thoughts on Capitalism. Thanks

  401. geomac

    Dear me I have come to the intention of the moderator . Its a mystery to me but some normal english dictionary word has set up the flag . Swear words or socially unacceptable words I could understand . Maybe Crikey could provide a list of words or terms that were triggers for a flag .

  402. Patriot

    Geomac,

    Tell them you’re a copyright violator. The lefties love that. They’ll recognise your right to post pretty well anything.

  403. Peter Ormonde

    Jings wizz thought you’d never ask ….

    Not really certain we have the time for such philosophical ponderings. Industrial production and consumption is far more urgent an issue than who says they own what. But, such caveats aside, here are some thoughts of Chairman Pete:

    I’ve read a lot about them but I’ve never really seen a proper dynamic capitalist economy up close … After all, you know how it is here and has always been – choking on red tape, government hand-outs, tax systems, wages, protectionism, nanny state anti-slavery laws. From what I’ve seen Somalia probably comes close to the perfect model. But that’s only going by TV.

    Not quite sure what they’ve got in China at the moment but it seems to be a bit like some sort of state socialism with Somalian characteristics to me.

    All I think capitalism is a very unstable and inherently uncontrollable system. It falls over a lot. There is a lot of waste. There is a lot of waist too. People are not happy. Stuff does not make people happy. We live wrong.

    Anyway the banks own the lot – we own the banks – after all we bail them out and our government guarantees them – so it’s really all been corporatively collectivised innit – like how superannuation has made us a nation of shareholders if not stakeholders.

    But I do love listening to these Australian “capitalists” like Gerry Harvey wimpering on, making excuses and demanding more help from everyone. Socialism for shopkeepers!

    I reckon capitalism would be a good idea somewhere … open unfettered markets, the boiling forces of creation and destruction unleashed, abolition of copyright and patents, no more taxi licences, Prometheus unbound. But I reckon he would look more like Kali or Shiva myself. Far too Somalian for my liking.

  404. Suzanne Blake

    @ Comrade Peter Ormonde

    “All I think capitalism is a very unstable and inherently uncontrollable system. It falls over a lot. There is a lot of waste. There is a lot of waist too. People are not happy. Stuff does not make people happy. We live wrong.”

    There is more waste in Communism that Capitalism. L ook at the waist in the USSR, the neglect. Capitalist economies by nature try and conserve.

    I met you were manning one of the East German propaganda handout tables at at Uni in the late 70’s!!

  405. Patriot

    Poor Peter Ormonde cant understand the difference between capitalism and anarchy. It sounds like what you really want government to do is prevent people wanting stuff and to force us to live “right”. Just your average totalitarian comie then.

  406. Suzanne Blake

    @ George MacDonald / MacDougall

    I have been moderated two, I think the word yield

  407. Suzanne Blake

    @ George MacDonald / MacDougall

    I have been moderated too, I think the word yield

  408. shepherdmarilyn

    No-one was attacked.

  409. Peter Ormonde

    Oh no … I’m quite partial to some of the anarchists … Prince Kropotkin’s “Mutual Aid” is a life-long favourite. But sadly I cannot find the rose-tinted glasses necessary to see human beings so optimistically. Nice place to be but you can’t get there from here.

    But don’t go getting confused Patriot. It’s the Tea Party and the local pale photocopies who are screeching for the end of government hand-outs, the death of the nanny state, balanced and shrinking budgets… getting guvvermint off our backs. It has some roots in the curious individualised libertarianism that infects the US.

    But that’s capitalism boyo – not this nobbled, nanny state, environmentally straightjacketed spoon-fed cuckoo of a thing. Your keen capitalist plays for keeps – bare knuckle – self interest raw in tooth and claw …”survival of the fittest” – no holds barred … invisible hands sliding along your knee… a free for all. Everything else is a fetter on the markets…. an impost on the unchallengeable right of money to make money. Taxes, smaxes. Schools? Wot fer? The State is just a system for entrenching the interests of the few, the incumbents.

    That’s how it’s supposed to be anyway. Somewhere. Preferably somewhere else. Like Somalia. Or China.

  410. Suzanne Blake

    @ shepherdmarilyn

    Thanks to the AFP and CPP squad

  411. GeeWizz

    [“No-one was attacked.”]

    Welcome to 2 Days ago Marilyn.

    The whole thing was staged by the Prime Minister and her Media Stuntsman.

    The PM incited a race riot but only a few old geezers rocked up.

    The PM has spun it to say that her media advisor only “sought comment” from the Union heavy(WTF? Why? Don’t comments come from the PM?) and they informed them of Abbotts whereabouts only meters from the Tent Embassy protest.

    Sure there were a couple of Peters mates from the Socialist Alliance there, but they were cordoned well back from the restraunt.

    The whole dramatic dragging of the PM to safety was setup by Gillard to make Abbott look irresponsible and Gillard like a states(wo)man. Unfortunately she has been busted setting the whole thing up.

  412. GeeWizz

    [“Thanks to the AFP and CPP squad”]

    I dunno about that Suzanne, I keep watching the video and I reckon that Gillard with 1 escort could have easily walked to the car.

    It seems to me that the “saving” of the PM was staged. Check out the video…. there are no protestors near the PM, only some old geezer they bowled over getting her down the stairs.

  413. Suzanne Blake

    @ GeeWizz

    Yes it is now evident that it was a staged event to embarrass Abbott at the restaurant on Australia Day.

    Backfired on Gillard, in spectacular fashion.

    Egg all over her, which is why after 3 days you have NO FRONT BENCH in the media supporting her or what happened.

    Its stick out like a sore thumb. They dont want to be tarred with the same brush

  414. Patriot

    Peter,

    You’re still confused. A “free for all” is not capitalism. It’s anarchy. Capitalism requires enforcement of property ownership, contractual obligations, etc.

  415. taylormade

    Can we do a swap with NZ, we have thier Pm and they can have ours.

    Re Robert Mannes article the other day, impressive / un-impressive

  416. Suzanne Blake

    @ GeeWizz

    Perhaps Gillard’s office told them the protestors were arriving en mass and they panicked.

    I don’t think the CPP would stage it, even if asked by Gillard’s Office to make more impact.

    Rudd will use the Queensland election to ramp up his profile and unstable Gillard, who is almost topled anyway.

  417. Suzanne Blake

    @ taylormade

    I would take the PNG PM over her any day, NZ would be a luxury.

  418. zimmerman

    and in breaking news, Union heavyweight Kim Il Satts claims she just slipped and fell into the lifeboat when the ship lurched….meanwhile PM Scultz claims..” I know nothink!…nothink!”

  419. GeeWizz

    [“Can we do a swap with NZ, we have thier Pm and they can have ours”]

    Yes I was in NZ not too long ago and it was amazing to remember what it was like having a Real Prime Minister again.

    John Key is articulate, intelligent and actually stands for things. We’ve got the chalk board talking pinnochio who backstabs everyone she meets.

  420. geomac

    I see someone mentioned Harvey N and seeing as the article has no relevance to various postings I give my recent experience.
    On the 11th of this month I spotted a good name 32 inch lcd at HN in Morwell . It was without the multitude of bells and whistles that I never use but had sufficient to hook up a media unit , USB or HDMI all together and not being a gamer etc suited me. It was scheduled for delivery by the 18th of January as it wasn,t in store when I paid for it . It arrived on the 27th , this friday . While I,m satisfied with my purchase by buying locally and with bricks and mortar I had a fortnight and one days wait as I don,t count the afternoon I paid for it . Online I would have had it under a week , the same if not similar quality and size . In fact I saw a name brand with full HD at a slightly cheaper price online but full HD and HD are of little import as long as it not SD , to me at least.
    Harvey cannot even match local online suppliers with his bricks and mortar franchises . To be fair or balanced HN online may have matched the local online deals and delivery .

  421. Suzanne Blake

    @ zimmerman

    Excellent. Stalag 13 and the capers is still funny after 45 years.

    Australia Day 2012 will be remembered for just as long!!!

  422. Suzanne Blake

    @ George MacDonald

    HN camp compete with online, none of them can.

    No store rent
    No Warehouse rent
    No compliance costs that brink and mortar face, eg Fair Trading Costs

    The list is long

  423. Peter Ormonde

    Oh yes … respect for money, for property, for the rules of commercial exchange … defence maybe (unless it is contracted out) but the rest of it? Your proper capitalist doesn’t have much of an “etcetra” at all for the state to do. It all just gets in the way …all this health and welfare stuff, these dole payments, these special benefits for blackfellas. Stops a fella making a quid. Kills incentives. Makes us all slaves of the nanny state.

    The things – the few remaining things – that make Australia special – a by and large decent place to live – are the products of struggles. These struggles imposed “intolerable”, “excessive” and nanny state intrusions. In each and every instance I can think of, these reforms were introduced over the screams and howls of your self-absorbed classes, vested interests and the free marketeers – these Rambos with a cash register.

    But hey, if you guys want to strip it all away and lay bare the naked power of the market and cut the umbilical cord with the State – you know, get rid of awards, the IR set up, bring back individual contracts, axe the dole, scrap the special payments for blackfellas, slaughter the Bureau of Weights and Measures, outlaw the UN, all of it – more power to your elbow. Good luck with it.

    It will make future Orstraya Daze all the more colourful. Struggle never stops. Australia Day should remind us of that.

  424. Suzanne Blake

    @ GeeWizz

    Thats wrong.

    “We’ve got the chalk board talking pinnochio who backstabs everyone she meets”

    Next Sunday she will be butchers Paper Julia, with a Hawker Brittain moderator to allow everyone to have a say and who can write quickly.

    Then there will be the media spin doctors, ready to give the media their summary, 45 minutes before the 6pm News Bulletins.

  425. Whistleblower

    I’m so depressed by this situation that I think I will have a “Bex and a good lie down”, and whilst I am lying down I will think of something else to say.

  426. Whistleblower

    Oh nanny state moderation filter you are at it again!

    Can’t Crikey add little syntactic logic to its filter trigger?

    Does the word lying really have to attract such odious attention, or was it the word lie or both??

    Can I say that posts on the Australian, the Herald Sun, and The Age do not attract such a grossly sensitive reaction. Perhaps you could ask of their “legal eagles” for a little bit of sensible advice on moderation filtering.

    Ed: The Australian, the Herald Sun and The Age have dedicated moderation teams to process comments. It’s a luxury our relatively tiny newsroom does not have. Rather than complain about versions of “liar” being caught in our filter, how about you try adding some nuance to the debate rather than resorting to lazy and in many cases defamatory insults..

  427. Patriot

    @Peter

    “Struggle never stops”

    You’re talking about class struggle, I presume. Well, good luck with that. I’ll agree with you on the UN but. At the very least we need a cost-benefit analysis of our participation and dialogue with other countries to look at alternatives to membership. The UN aspires to be a socialist world government of the kind advocated by Bob Brown. And it’s a black hole for our money.

  428. Liz45

    This is so much rubbish. It’s a great beat up about comments that were in the PUBLIC DOMAIN prior to the heated protests.

    The fact is, that I heard what Abbott said about the Tent Embassy late morning – at least the 11 am ABC NATIONAL news – could’ve been earlier. It was not a secret – Abbott made the comment to the media! The only ‘secret’ may have been the ceremony re awards to deserving people. IF the media was doing its job, even now it can check on whether prior notice was given either about the PM”s agenda for January 26 and/or Abbotts! Knowing the day and its effect on those who’d be in Canberra re the anniversary of the Tent Embassy, the blame may lie in organising such an event where it was. Why not in the main Hall in Parlt House?

    It’s not like it was a secret as in going to Afghanistan or Iraq(as in other years)> This was an event held in a public place. The family members of those brave people were in attendance. The media were probably going to have audio and visual coverage. What on earth is the NO-alition, in particular Abbott and Christopher Pyne carrying on about? The AFP have not been asked to investigate. What’s to investigate? This is still a free country with the right to peaceful protest and/or association etc. Isn’t it?

    In my view, the Publicity person in the PM’s office should NOT have had to resign. All he did was tell another person, from the ACTU (an indigenous woman?) about Abbott’s comments about a public statement, with the idea that people may have wanted to exercise their democratic right and respond to those comments.

    ANYBODY AT THE TENT EMBASSY OR ANYWHERE ELSE COULD’VE HEARD THE comments on ABC National News as I did! Then it would just be a matter of going where the cars/noise/activities were! Nothing cloak and dagger required at all!

    The ultimate responsibility for the comments belong to Abbott. He has form for deliberately making controversial comments, and then taking exception when people respond in an angry manner. It’s like throwing a hand grenade into a crowd, running away, and then blaming someone else when there’s a human and/or negative response! He’s done it before! To make such comments on a day when there were lots of people protesting about Invasion Day and/or commemorating the 40 years of the Tent Embassy was at best provocative, and at worst, I think he did it deliberately, knowing the response. Just one more reason why he only cares about his personal political aspirations, and gives not a hoot about anyone, particularly indigenous people! I’m disgusted over the whole thing!

    I think Julia Gillard could’ve walked on her own with security people making a safe ‘tunnel’ for her to exit through – Abbott the same! The protest was noisy and vocal, but I couldn’t see any real threat to either Leader. However, I’m more than willing to say that I wasn’t there? And so?

  429. Patriot

    Great, I’ve run afoul of the “auto-totalitarian” filter.

  430. Patriot

    @Peter

    “Struggle never stops”

    You’re talking about class struggle, I presume. Well, good luck with that. I’ll agree with you on the UN but. At the very least we need a cost-benefit evaluation of our participation and dialogue with other countries to look at alternatives to participation. The UN aspires to be a socialist world government of the kind advocated by Bob Brown. And it’s a bottomless pit for our money.

  431. Suzanne Blake

    @ Liz45

    You comment is naive and scary.

    Abbott was in Sydney on Australia Day in the morning, doing the harbour swim and then the media interview in front of the Opera House. Gillard was in Canberra all morning.

    “In my view, the Publicity person in the PM’s office should NOT have had to resign. All he did was tell another person, from the ACTU (an indigenous woman?) about Abbott’s comments about a public statement, with the idea that people may have wanted to exercise their democratic right and respond to those comments”

    You are alone on that, not even Gillard agrees with you. He and the other spin doctors were telling all the jouro’s that Abbott said this and that and that why the protesters are here.

    Your ly ing leader is friendless today, not one FRONT BENCHER has been out to defend her in 3 days now. Surely they can’t all be on the beach or Tennis.

  432. Liz45

    I ask people to remember his awful ‘gaff’ about the deaths of 3 miltary people in Afghanistan? “Shit happens” he said. While he may have been taken out of context, he’s not a child, and has been around long enough to be more thoughtful and INTELLIGENT re his PUBLIC comments.

    More recently, he made an inappropriate, gross even, comment re the luxury cruiser in Italy and laughed when a shock jock joking linked asylum seekers boats floundering etc which also involved horrific accounts of lives lost. Another example of his inability to show either political prudence let alone common sense and common decency. If a loved one of mine was a victim of either incident, I’d not have been ‘impressed’ with his at best lack of sensitivity.

    These incidences were not at private functions, as was the case with the current issue. He needs to be told, that as a person over 50, it’s high time he took responsibility for his actions.

    Many of us who’ve been around a decade or three can recognise political opportunism when we see it. This person has already stated publicly, that he’ll do anything to gain The Lodge as his address. He’s even said that he’d have to think long and hard about even ‘losing his a***e’ to do it!

    Abbott & Pyne, grow up and start taking responsibility instead of engaging in childish and pretty ‘sh***y’ activities! Some of us can see through it!

  433. Peter Ormonde

    No not class struggle – not in a simplistic workerist sense anyway. People and politics is more complicated than that. Always was I reckon.

    But people who have a beef, who are getting a raw deal, who oppose slavery, who want the vote, who want recognition in the constitution … tend to get together and move things along a bit.

    The smart ones amongst us listen to them and work out what can be done. The silly and self-interested just say no and resist any and all change. They always do. It imposes an intolerable cost! It attacks our competitiveness. It undermines productivity. It’s guilt-ridden bleeding heart nanny state socialism! They just don’t know what’s good for them, do they?

    Now Leviticus – that’s what I’d be calling laura norder. Gimme that ole time religion.

  434. Patriot

    Chairman Ormonde,

    “But people who have a beef, who are getting a raw deal, who oppose slavery, who want the vote, who want recognition in the constitution … ”

    Liberty, democracy, constitutionalism – all bedrock principles of a healthy capitalism, all early casualties of communism.

  435. Liz45

    2SB – As usual, you”ve missed the whole point. WHAT WAS SO SECRETIVE ABOUT THE WHOLE THING? I repeat, I heard what Abbott said on the mid-morning ABC National News. Anybody around the country EVEN in the ACT could’ve heard it too! (point 1)

    Point two – Tell me why the arrangements re commending those brave people at a PUBLIC function was to remain a secret? If I was a journalist, I’d be able to make a few telephone/sms calls etc and probably view what the arrangements for that day were. TELL ME WHY IT WAS A SECRET? So far you haven’t!

    As to whether other ALP Ministers/Colleagues have or have not spoken out? May I suggest that they’re either gobsmacked like me, or can see through the maltese terrier(Pyne) and Abbott’s childish and stupid comments. To keep on going on about this is just political opportunism.

    I don’t like violence of any sort. I don’t like politicians who ‘dog whistle’ either. As I’ve pointed out, Abbott (who’s purported to have some intelligence) has form in this manner.

    I’m scary? I find people whipping up a storm over aboriginal disadvantage(particularly when he(as Health Minister) and his Govt via removing protection to aboriginal people via removing the Racial Discrimination Act) have much to answer for re what indigenous people(those who are disadvantaged, not those dressed in expensive suits with a six figure income, living in a city – living a charmed life by comparison to those in the Top End, for example?).

    Every hour on the ABC National News, I’m amazed that (1) it’s still being focused on over nonsense assertions, and (2) that no journalist has canvassed my view/s? That none of the events on Jan. 26 were a national secret. On the contrary. In Canberra, all you’d have to do was go where the cars were! It’s not as though it was a work day – it was a public holiday! And the ACT isn’t like Sydney, which I suggest also shows a difference re how busy it is.

    This is a nonsense, and several people in the Letters page of the Fairfax printed med agree with me!

  436. Peter Ormonde

    Yeah that’s right Patriot … the “capitalist class” – the owners of the world – came out of a stockholders’ meeting one morning and said – hey let’s give everyone the vote. And the looked upon their workers and their familes and said, hey let’s give everyone a wage rise, and maybe four weeks holidays a year. And they wandered out across the fields and they said Hey, let’s recognise these Aboriginal people in the constitition and do something nice for them. Let’s cut ’em in on the action.

    Yep … all bedrock principles of a healthy capitalism. As if.

    They were dragged kicking and screaming to it. And they hate it all still. We’ll all be rooned.

  437. Suzanne Blake

    @ Liz45

    “I find people whipping up a storm over aboriginal disadvantage”

    The only people who whipped up a storm was Gillards Office. They deliberately tries to create Aboriginal Race Violance on Australia Day and blame it on Abbott.

    It could not be simplier to understand.

  438. geomac

    LIZ45
    Your first point is the whole thing in a nutshell . There were various media units there to record the occasion but channel nine got the scoop footage by not going outside to film the protesters . All family of and the recipients themselves were under no embargo , not the press or for that matter the staff at the restaurant . What the shrill brigade can,t have happen is that the PM has been shown to have considered of all people Abbott the consideration and concern that the Australia day celebrations are supposed to represent . Respect and consideration for all our fellow Australians .
    The protesters didn,t show it and neither do the shrill brigade posting here . One group were completely misguided and the other deliberately trying to create a banal and outlandish scenario . Bernardis battlers or Abbotts ar seholes , shrill , stupid and salacious .

  439. calyptorhynchus

    Let’s see, 438 comments.

    200 will be saying “Nothing wrong with a bit of window banging”,
    238 will be saying “Animals, time to introduce martial law and install Abbott as PM”.

    Yawn.

  440. Filth Dimension

    Everyone take a deep breathe.

    Apply more tin foil.

    Exhale slowly.

  441. acmilan

    Whether the riot was justified or not, from comment made by Abbott in the morning, a deliberate flag burning the next day smack of racism to me (think for a moment what would happen if someone in suburbia starts burning the aboriginal flag).
    The flag for us “White Australians” is a symbol of pride and belonging and the burning just show how ineffective and useless the Apology was…reality is the underlining motives and unspoken requests from parts of the indigenous population is give me money and lots of it!

  442. Patriot

    Peter,

    There is no such thing as a capitalist class. Everyone has the freedom to succeed in this country. Aboriginal people already have the same constitutional recognition as every other Australia. Liberalism was not dragged kicking and screaming anywhere. Liberalism and capitalism flourished contemporaneously. There could not be one without the other. Now, this has become very tiresome and repetitive. I’ve heard enough nonsense from you for one day.

  443. Suzanne Blake

    @ Comrade Peter Ormonde,

    The only communist countries left today are North Korea and Cuba. Even China, is Communist in name only, you travel around there and do business and you would not know you are in a communist country

    Communism is failing and a failed model, look at the famine in North Korea.

  444. Suzanne Blake

    Did you hear Gillard on the News. She said that Tony Hodges informed colleagues in the Gillard Office on Thursday afternoon (Australia Day) what he had done.

    On Friday afternoon a day later, Gillard is asked about it, after it was reported on radio.

    She says don’t believe everything you hear on radio.

    Gillard MUST have known it on Thursday afternoon / evening, its was a major incident, the biggest security incident involving the PM in living memory and she lost a blue shoe.

    So why did she try and li e to the question the following day – cover up. She thought she could contain it.

  445. shepherdmarilyn

    There was no fucking riot.

  446. Peter Ormonde

    Yes, Patriot

    It’s a great personal disappointment to me that our poor are so undeserving.

    Why do they let themselves down so, filling our prisons and our hospitals, and our cemetries. They’ve had it too good for too long our poor. That’s the problem./

    Liberalism – in the true historical sense – has not been seen here for many decades. Certainly not in the Liberal Party. There is no acceptance of the validity of government, of welfare or of the “fair go”. That’s why we have dogs on the wharves and razor wire on our refugee centres.

    But you are not wrong – capitalism and Liberalism did flourish simultaneously – but Liberalism and reform was forced down the capitalists’ gagging throats. Like I said, they just never know what’s good for them.

    That’s right – we’re all capitalists now. To be rich is glorious, to quote the Chinese Government. And we can all be rich together. Oh yes. Ah yes myths and fairy tales – the fodder of patriots.

  447. Peter Ormonde

    Yes Comrade Sooz,

    You are right. Not sure how communist North Korea is given that the Beloved Leader could apparently control the weather. Cuba I know very little about. Except the lovely music which seems disturbingly anti-socialist. There are a few places in the old USSR that still make “socialist” noises but these are generally tinpot dictatorships ruled by tyrants.

    This would perhaps explain why I would not describe myself as a communist. People think you are wanting to introduce a Kazakh style of government here.

    But we live on comrade Sooz… in the UN, the World Bank, the IMF, the EU and of course the White House… creating chaos and organising smash and grab raids on the footwear of various world leaders. Look carefully, put your foresnic audit skills to use and you will see our fingerprints everywhere – on everything. Especially under things.

  448. Frank Campbell

    A foreigner (with no local axe to grind) who watched the footage several times, said “the police made their own drama”.

    There were plenty of cops to escort Gillard and Abbott out – the stupid PMO “security detail” made it look like an attempted assassination.

    Probably the same suits who wrote Albanese’s speech for him (who’s Albanese? the next president of the USA)

  449. Patriot

    @Suzanne Blake

    She probably figures people are becoming desensitised to lies from her, so what’s to lose? What’s one more after the supporting Rudd lie, carbon tax lie, pokie reform lie, etc.

    The role played the second staffer is yet to be revealed. When that person is identified there’ll be three people with their heads on the block who might all decide that they don’t want to become scapegoats and that together they can blow the whistle on Gillard for her involvement. Could be explosive.

    @Chairman Ormonde

    “Why do they let themselves down so, filling our prisons and our hospitals, and our cemetries. They’ve had it too good for too long our poor. That’s the problem.”

    You’re exactly right there, but Liberalism has nothing to do with the sort of “recognition of government” or “fair go” the lefty social engineers want. It is about recognising appropriate limitations on the intrusion of the state into peoples lives and into markets. Liberty/freedom is not fair. Truly free people have the freedom to be responsible or irresponsible, hard working or lazy, and to succeed or struggle based on those choices.

  450. Patriot

    @Chairman Ormonde

    Stupid filter.

    “Why do they let themselves down so, filling our prisons and our hospitals, and our cemetries. They’ve had it too good for too long our poor. That’s the problem.”

    You’re exactly right there, but Liberalism has nothing to do with the sort of acceptance of “validity of government” or “fair go” the lefty social engineers want. It is about oberving appropriate limitations on the intrusion of the state into peoples lives and into markets. Liberty/freedom is not “fair” as communists/pinko-lefties understand fairness. Free people have the freedom to be responsible or irresponsible, hard working or lazy, and to succeed or struggle based on those choices.

  451. Ian

    @Dee,

    Go on then. What is effective protesting? Is it protesting within the rules set by authorities? Bear in mind governments don’t like protest and the more effective they perceive the protests to be the less they like them and the more ridiculous and draconian become the rules enacted to stifle them.

  452. Mal White

    This started as a bit of low key political mischief making by labor. It is quite incredible that though Chinese whispers it has turned into a storm of unintended consequences.

    Mr Hodges must have been shocked that not long after giving his little tip off, that Australia’s Prime Minister was being dragged down the steps minus her shoe and having it broadcast all around the world.

    At least when he fills his work history out on his new resume it will make an impression!

    Perhaps he should have insisted that “Fair Work Australia” to do the investigation instead of the Labor party machine. He could have stayed in the job for another 3 or 4 years.

  453. Curi-Oz

    Why is it easier to call the whole shemozzle a conspiracy rather than the clusterf**k it really looks like?

    I believe it was Sir Bernard Ingham who said, “Many journalists have fallen for the conspiracy theory of government. I do assure you that they would produce more accurate work if they adhered to the cock-up theory.”

    I would also point out that the evidence for the “failures” of the Rudd government’s stimulus packages being roundly disproved was reported in Crikey a couple of years ago. Not so much the other media for some reason though …

  454. Schnappi

    Wonder why the media allows abbott to muzzle julie bishop.
    Seems abbott and morissons turn the boats back at any cost to life, is aimed at the redneck rascist vote.
    As bishop is the shadow foreign minister and indonesia is involved,why is she silent?she used to be vocal on TV and articles in the age,so looks like strong man tony has muzzled the female who should be asked questions by the media ,she has not even been sighted.
    The media is letting the country down with headlines that people can see through ,instead of asking questions that concern this countrys future.

  455. Ian

    SUZANNE,

    You are being outclassed. Give up while you still are able to retain some dignity.

  456. GeeWizz

    [“2SB – As usual, you”ve missed the whole point. WHAT WAS SO SECRETIVE ABOUT THE WHOLE THING?”]

    There was nothing secretive about Abbotts location, however it is a general rule that locations only be released in coordination with police and the situation.

    But this isn’t the real issue, the real issue is that Dillard attempted to incite a race riot by telling fibbie-fibs about Abbott wanting to pull down the tent embassy.

    It would be the equilvalent of a Republican candidate ringing up the KKK meeting down the street and telling the attendents that Obama is down the street and he’s called for forced removals of white people from America.

    Her media stuntsman invent a story and told fibbie-fibs to try and incite a race riot… THIS IS THE ISSUE. Gillard must resign.

  457. GeeWizz

    [“There were plenty of cops to escort Gillard and Abbott out – the stupid PMO “security detail” made it look like an attempted assassination.”]

    Thats because it was staged.

    The riot police had been booked in well before the event yet “Dillard didn’t know” that her media stuntsman was inciting a riot… yeah right.

    The truth will come out shortly….

  458. Suzanne Blake

    @ Patriot

    I wonder if they get her specially designed bed for someone who doesn’t sleep straight.

    Can’t wait for the book on the Gillard years. Gillard The True Story. Won;t be n School reading lists – poor example

  459. Suzanne Blake

    When Marilyn used the f word, she is not moderated.

    When I cut and paste her comment in, I am moderated!!!

    Maybe they run a seperate bot for her posts!!

  460. GeeWizz

    [“Can’t wait for the book on the Gillard years. Gillard The True Story. Won;t be n School reading lists – poor example”]

    Might have to be called the “The Gillard Months” the way things are going

  461. Patriot

    @Suzanne Blake

    No, won’t be in schools. The loony green-left biased National Curriculum will ensure nothing like that can ever happen. They’ll probably have to watch An Inconvenient Truth but.

  462. Suzanne Blake

    @ Patriot

    Tell me about it. My kids come back from school with this extreme Green homework.

    Its ploy to get the votes easily, while young and dumb.

  463. AR

    C’mon moderator. Can’t you stop the same IP answering and arguing with itself?
    Or can you at least stop SB, GW, TTH and the usual troll suspects being sent to me?
    I don’t want to tag CRIKEY as spam but it is reaching that stage.
    Any sentient human can see that it is the same astroturfer – FFS spare us!
    And yet I and other humans get “MODERATION”!!!! OK, it goes through but what sort of 2bit US krap system is being used?

  464. Patriot

    AR, if you can’t get your comments up here why don’t you try a sandwich-board. It’ll go great with the tinfoil hat.

  465. GeeWizz

    [“C’mon moderator. Can’t you stop the same IP answering and arguing with itself?
    Or can you at least stop SB, GW, TTH and the usual troll suspects being sent to me?”]

    AR Feel free to ask the moderator to check the IP addresses, we are all different people from different parts of the country.

    I am from Townsville, Suzanne is from the NSW North Coast, etc etc etc.

    Labor is polling what…. 28% on Primarys these days, yet you find it impossible to believe there are non-Labor voting crikey posters out there, unbelievable.

    The Labor Party used to be the party of the worker, now they are the party of taxes, illegal immigrants, union heavies and being slaves to the greens movement. If you work hard for your money in this country these days you’d be putting Labor last on the ballot paper

  466. AR

    WOW!! – instant response from the astroturfers and, strangely, GW knows where ORAC claims to live! Nothing incestuous here, move along.
    Which also shows that normal, functional humans have no probs with the Moderator, scant seconds despite the “warning”.
    As PO pointed out, PATRIOT is a bad, baaaad nom-de-guer to pick – but then you amerikan klones are so dumb that goes over what passes for your head. Just the one.

  467. Suzanne Blake

    @ AR

    It you want a single version of the truth (albeit li es), then join the ALP or Greens and attend some of their meetings.

    Better still, get on the ALP email list, its a hoot. The Greens don’t send as many emails.

    The other good one is GetUp. They send their left wing pitch and also ask for $5 donations to their worthy cause.

    I was at the local RSL over the weekend, yeah the one with my local disgraced ALP members photo up everywhere regarding the pokie issue.

    Interesting that the Clubs are leaving them up. No I did not have a drink, nor went on the pokies. Won a meat raffle though!!!

  468. Patriot

    It’s Comrade Ormonde now, and there’s nothing inherently American about identifying as a patriot. Even if there was, what of it? You’re not r a c i s t against North Americans, are you?

  469. GeeWizz

    [“Interesting that the Clubs are leaving them up. No I did not have a drink, nor went on the pokies. Won a meat raffle though!!!”]

    The Greens will need to get onto this…. Meat Tray Raffle Precommittment…

    Think of the children folks.

  470. Suzanne Blake

    A patriot is someone who feels a strong support for his or her country.

    Same with someone who uses the flag as an avatar.

    No apologies from me. I am a proud, loyal and thankful Australian.

    Which is why I am very angry at the Gillard Australia Day stunt.

  471. Patriot

    Geewizz,

    The Greens should be ok with the Meat Tray Raffle if they just put some plain olive green wrapping on the thing.

  472. AR

    ORAC – A patriot is, with apologies to Johnson who was too kind, a gutless moron too dumb to know what they are for, jes what de agin.
    gotta lurve So enlighten me, when is the left most party in Australia It’s not even a recognisable language, let alone a thought.

  473. Suzanne Blake

    @ Patriot

    But I gambled $5 in one go. I guess that gets axed as well.

    @ AR It is the Greens (Socialist Alliance is just senate and a couple of seats)

  474. Schnappi

    Think just senate is also control of the senate ,probably for six years,so why vote abbott in as he can get nothing passed ,although he could do a bit of kissing or what he was prepared to do for office,

  475. AR

    PO – it’s a pleasure to read your posts but I don’t understand why you bother with the trolls. They are not susceptible to rationality, being paid/programmed to push the neocon repug agenda, however wildly inappropriate to a sane country.
    Go take a walk in the orchard.
    Since the rain stopped yesterday, I’ve had cicadas going mad, only a couple of hours for the last two days before darkness, but a glorious reminder of childhood.
    Meanwhile, in the real the Buddleia is threatening to become a Triffid and the bees & flutterbys have come to some sort of modus vivendi, taking turns to drink the nectar.
    Pity the bipedal primates can’t learn the same lesson.

  476. taylormade

    Pretty good summary and explanation of what happened on Aust Day 2012 by CK on the Aust website @ 6.46. Sums it all up for me

  477. Patriot

    The smokers got a better deal than the gamblers might get. Instead of plain packages they could easily have ended up having to buy cigarettes one at a time.

    @schnappi, if the Greens try to sabotage Parliament in that way they will be annihilated in a double dissolution. If they obstruct an elected government with a thumping majority people will see them for the vile scum they are.

  478. Suzanne Blake

    @ taylormade

    Please paste it here, cannot see it.

  479. Patriot

    @AR

    So what are you saying? Has Comrade Ormonde sold you on the idea of communism? Were you already one?

  480. Liz45

    Let’s put the so-called flag burning issue in perspective. It was a $2 ‘flag’ purchased at a cheap shop-the flag was probably made in China, and the person who made it was probably paid next to nothing.

    If it was an ‘official’ flag from Parliament House; the Sydney Harbour Bridge or a RSL Club, maybe then there’d be an argument for ‘justifiable outrage’? It was a piece of material measuring about one metre by two metres, of synthetic composition and not even the correct colour. Take a look at the colour of the ‘real’ flag!

    When we allow stores to sell toothpicks, paper plates, sheets, towels, thongs, t-shirts, serviettes etc, all made in China or? then we have no right to carry on with such indignation. It’s grotty fabric made overseas, that just happens to have the Union jack etc on it. It was NOT an Australian Flag! They cost lots more, are of superior make and are a different colour even!!

    Anyway, if we revere the flag so much why do we allow these cheap and nasty imports of just about anything with this image on them, and what does it say about those who drape themselves in it. I repeat, a very cheap and nasty object made overseas by almost slave labour! Get a grip!

  481. Liz45

    @SB – I tried to sent this post earlier.

    Well I disagree with you. Who planned it? Did people in Gillard’s Office have prior knowledge that Abbott was going to make his comments at a media conference? The comments weren’t issued via a Statement – he did it in person!

    What time was that? How long did it take for people (according to Amnesty International, they weren’t aboriginal people who protested at the function?) to arrive at the function?

    Show me how and why it was kept a secret? Who decided that a public function was to be kept secret in Canberra – which would’ve been almost impossible in my view!

    What motivated Abbott to make the comments that he did, knowing full well that prior to that, many people marched to commemorate the 40 years of the existence of the Tent Embassy? Again, that wasn’t kept a secret either. I’d say that the numbers of people around the country would’ve arrived perhaps the day before or even earlier. If Abbott wasn’t aware of the proposed event, just shows how out of touch he is.

  482. Liz45

    So he was in Sydney at a function – on the beach or whatever in the morning? How long does it take to fly to Canberra. He didn’t go by Cobb & Co coach for goodness sake. Don’t insult my intelligence any more than Abbott and Pyne are doing. HE organised it, or his ‘minders’ did. At best, he was bloody stupid saying what he did, and just proved that common sense can be vacant, regardless of so-called intellect.

    Who are you working for? Abbott? Don’t treat us all like we’re fools. I didn’t come down in the last shower? I know a bs artist when I see, hear or read words of one. You are IT!

  483. taylormade

    @SB

    “Please paste it here, cannot see it”

    Is in the goodly fabric blog, page 3 @6.46pm, sums it all up pretty well.

  484. Suzanne Blake

    @ Liz45

    Gillard has many hundreds of people in her department, she added a few hundred last budget (like 180 from memory).

    They monitor all media (Radio, TV, papers around the clock). They would have heard Abbott press interview live.

    He then had to get to Sydney airport fly to Canberra, get to the restaurant. They had HOURS Liz. The tent embassy is a few hundred metres from the restaurant.

    There was no secret about the Awards Ceremony on Australia Day, the recipients knew, the press knew.

    Gillards Office, just started a racial protest, that could have turned into a riot, breaking the glass at the restaurant.

    I heard and saw the full Abbott interview today. He does not say the Tent embassy should go.

  485. Patriot

    “according to Amnesty International, they weren’t aboriginal people who protested at the function”

    How do you tell who is one these days? I sincerely hope they didn’t just decide they weren’t dark enough.

  486. Suzanne Blake

    @ Taylormade

    Thanks, never looked at that blog before, sorry for not knowing what CK was!! A first for Australia, race riot / protest started in the PM’s Office.

    Here it is for the rest…

    “Terry, I think the fact this bloke has gone shows the PM and others believed his actions were wrong and not defendable politically. The question is whether others were involved. And of course, regardless of that, his actions reflect on the PM as he was working on her behalf. This is a fact of political life… I have had to force political staff to resign previously (as their Chief of Staff) for much less serious transgressions because their behavior reflected on their boss. The complicating factor in this case now is whether the PM and her office have been honest about this episode – the various stories don’t stack up. For what it’s worth, it seems pretty clear to me how events unfolded. No-one, of course, would have wanted to start a riot, but the kids in the PM’s Office dabbled in the sensitive area of race politics for partisan ends and got burned. Hodges obviously wanted someone to attack Abbott over his embassy comments…but knew the PM couldn’t lower herself to such and exchange…(the interesting question is whether he made that decision, unlikely, or referred it up for a decision). Anyway, having decided the PM wouldn’t be commenting he went to the ACT minister’s office and they were too sensible to get involved. They put him on to Sattler as a link to the tent embassy – the aim presumably being not to create a riot but to make sure Abbott was criticized on the tv news. Of course Hodges would have spread the inaccurate, verballed version of Abbott’s comments…it might have been the only version he knew anyway….all the revelations point to that ( does anyone seriously suggest he would have said something like, “will you provide some comments in response to Abbott praising Rudd’s national apology, applauding the respect Australians have for indigenous culture and suggesting so much has been achieved in the past 40 years that we should all move on from the grievances of the tent embassy?”). Hodges wanted people slamming Abbott on tv, he thought Sattler could organise it for him and, even as an afterthought, he probably thought, given they were so close, it might be clever to have them confront the Opposition Leader at The Lobby too. Childish, dishonest, dangerous, partisan politicking – that is all. And it comes about in part because of the culture within the government which has never seen fit to employ grown ups in the PM’s Office communications area (remember the inexperienced team Kevin Rudd had?). It was a bad idea, and it got way out of hand. Yet even then, we are told, the PM’s spin doctors went around the gallery on Thursday afternoon trying to blame the protest on Abbott. There can be no doubt this is a serious matter. “

  487. Liz45

    @SB – You have not answered my queries. What on earth is the big deal? They’re both over 50; they’re both experienced politicians; it’s not against the Law to protest in this country(yet) and on the day of such significance for indigenous people, Abbott was either a fool, or deliberately tried to stir up trouble.

    As for Amnesty International asserting that the protesters were not aboriginal, I think you can safely assume that they didn’t JUST go by skin colour??

    Please tell me what the crime was? I can not see either Leader in trouble. The only people behaving roughly were the so-called ‘security people’? Others observed the same. some people like me played the footage over several times and came up with the same conclusion – no threat?

    Perhaps the security people, police etc manufactured the so-called ‘threat’? Thought of that?

    I don’t celebrate Australia Day – never have. I find the whole beat up via the Howard/Hanson years repugnant. I don’t recall this ‘celebratory mood’ when I was growing up. It’s a relatively recent happening. I hate those who drape the flag around themselves, or have flags on either side of their car – it reminds me of Hitler and his absolute obsession with his ‘flag’? Disgusts me! We don’t need to promote this sort of nationalism – it’s very scary indeed!

  488. Schnappi

    @PATRIOT ,
    You just proved you and abbott and your gullible minions want to wreck the country,so abbott gets in and cannot governs for 12 months doing SFA,then he forces the country to another expensive election with no guarantee that that the greens or others will still hold the balance of power to hell with the country just abbott and people like you would destroy the country for power,STOP THE WASTE OF TAXPAYERS MONEY ABBOTT YOU BLUDGER.

  489. Blaggers

    Wow. The comments posted are… Wow.

    Reading Abbott’s comments, I construe “move on” as taking what had been built on and going forward.

    I haven’t listened to how Abbott verballed, but it does seem those who heard and reported on his Tent Embassy musings interpreted “move on”. The early reporting on what was said needs more scrutiny.

    Language is a powerful medium indeed.

    As for the staged disaster (the only kind Labour seems to know about) of the PM saving the opposition leader from imminent danger. (fear in their faces?) Faeces. I’m caught wondering, if she hadn’t lost the shoe?

    Had any of them been a leader I’d respect, they would have addressed the protesters, an Abbott could have cleared the waters. There was a large enough security detail. But they don’t do or say anything that isn’t scripted.

    I saw the protest and ensuing images as a rather fitting reflection of a greater majority who are disgruntled at the level of politics and political antics.

    All in all disgusting stuff.

    I only realized a few years back that “we” celebrated Australia Day. It never sat well with me. Why can’t we be reflective and Sorry on Jan 26 and celebrate being Australian on another day? Being Aussie, they’d both have to be public holidays. Why choose this day to be so proudly Australian where some better aspects of our Aussie culture could/should be shown? Can i suggest some Orwellian conspiracy?

  490. Blaggers

    Correction:

    I haven’t listened to how Abbott verballed, but it does seem those who heard and reported on his Tent Embassy musings interpreted “move on”…
    …as the tent embassy to be disbanded and “moved on” from the grounds which they occupy.

  491. merlot64

    Personally, I would like a more detailed explanation as to The role of Tony Abbott’s office into the incident. He was in Sydney for a budgie smuggler photo op. next he is on the steps of the Opera House, in a suit, doing a door stop. Had the questions been vetted by the Abbott press office? Had they been written by them. The Tent Embassy answer seemed carefully constructed to provide maximum implied offence with a minimum of explicit references. He then flies to Canberra to attend a single AD awards ceremony which by some REMARKABLE coincidence is less than 100 meters from the Tent Embassy. Sounds like a deliberate provocation to me….

  492. Peter Ormonde

    AR

    Glad you enjoy the odd post … but you’re right of course … the orchard is a far more productive use of the limited time available than splitting hairs with trolls. But they have so many hairs. And in strange locations.

    Of course I’m not really writing to the trolls – I am far more concerned with the odd sensible person who stumbles across the discussion and says – no I am not one of them… I am not one of these flag-waving thankful Orstrayans. I am an Australian. And I know what that means and I am rather proud of it. Despite the Orstrayans and their oi oi ois.

    And every now again again, despite their best intentions, a troll says something sort of “useful”… like this:

    “No apologies from me. I am a proud, loyal and thankful Australian.”

    So being Orstrayan means never having to say you’re sorry. Loyal? To what? Obviously not the elected government – to something bigger perhaps? Something more permanent than mere politicians … I wonder what it is. And then lastly – “thankful”…. to whom? – certainly not the people who used to own this place. Perhaps SB is thankful to the red coated British (see top left corner of flag) who pinched the place and handed it on… we are all in receipt of stolen property… and doing very nicely on it.

    I have always been intrigued by the psychology of conservatives, their mythology and fantasies. Who they think they are. And deep deep at the core of who we are – conservative Orstrayans and radical Australians alike – is this question of stealing by finding and of working out how we make some feeble attempt at reparations. Not about guilt. About doing what’s right and making this place work properly – fairly and honestly. It is about stain removal.

    But I do enjoy thinking about poor old Sooz, surrounded by green extremism at every turn, conspiracies under every bush and appalled – no APPALLED – at the decline in morality in public life. Not like the good old days when you could put a five pound bounty on a blackfella’s head (2 pounds for live kids) and that was that.

    Struggle never stops. Even against the pests and grubs in my orchard. If only there was a spray for trolls.

  493. Suzanne Blake

    Ms Sattlers social media entries on her account on Australia Day, shoot a hole in Gillards argument. She clearly says that Abbott said this and that.

    I bet the Gillard minders forgot to check that information source….

  494. Peter Ormonde

    Morning Ms B,

    So you’d be saying that Tony Abbott’s movements should be kept secret then?

  495. Suzanne Blake

    @ Peter Ormonde

    No I am not. I am saying her social media entry on THURSDAY mentioned what Abbott didn’t say and where he was. So she was spreading what she was told. This is different to what Gillard was saying on Saturday.

    Who is telling the truth?

  496. Peter Ormonde

    Truth?

    The question is – what crime are you alleging? What did this staffer do wrong? What law has been broken?

  497. Suzanne Blake

    I not know enough about the federal laws to comment.

    But I do know that Gillard’s office has incited race violence on Australia Day, at and Awards ceremory for emergency service workers, and that this race violence was targetted at native Australians on the 40th anniversary of their tent embassy.

    I cannot imagine a worse incident on Australia Day.

    Further, if anyone was killed as a result, manslaughter charges could be brought against the Gillard’s office.

    How would that leave the reputation of Australia?

  498. Peter Ormonde

    Well actually Sooz, “inciting racial violence” is a crime. So that is the crime you are alleging: that telling someone where Tony Abbott is is an incitement to racial violence. That right?

    But then if I understand the torured English, you are actually saying that this racial violence was “targetted at native Australians”… so you are actually saying the Police were violent – towards “native Australians”. That seems to fit with the TV footage (if you’ll pardon the expression). Well actually violence directed a couple of magpies and an innocent bystander or two by the look of it.

    So where did this threat actually come from Sooz – the protestors, the police or the Prime Minister’s Office.

    Why do I keep hearing the yapping of chihuahuas braying for blood?

  499. Suzanne Blake

    @ Peter Ormonde

    Gillard’s office; which is why they delayed saying anything for over a day, and have worked behind the scenes to get their story to line up.

    The threat came from the angry protestors, obviously, banging in the glass and acting in a confrontational manner to Police and others.

    Then you had the Gillard’s press people telling journo’s that the angry mob outside was because of what Abbott said, and this was reported widely on the news on Australia Day.

    They tried to embarrass him and it backfired. Are you trying to infer that Gillard’s office did nothing wrong and he should be re-instated?

  500. Suzanne Blake

    @ merlot64

    Apply for Hodges job in Gillard’s office, you are shoe in. Pays well $180,000 a year and lots of travel.

  501. outside left

    The unruly white mob at Cronulla beach were worse, hello Alan

  502. AR

    SuzORAC I not know enough about the federal laws to comment. give us a hint or clue, as to what language (you imagine) you’re using.

  503. Peter Ormonde

    “Anyway, if we revere the flag so much why do we allow these cheap and nasty imports of just about anything with this image on them, and what does it say about those who drape themselves in it. I repeat, a very cheap and nasty object made overseas by almost slave labour! Get a grip!”

    Just lovely.

    Funny thing is the whole shenanigan is imported I reckon … not just where it is now made – but where it was designed. Right down to the ra ra oi oi oi jingoism of what have become our Orstraya Daze. Right down to the silly Tea Party politickery.

    I live surrounded by houses with flags out the front. All year round. Big flags on big poles. Some are in shreds.

    I am really not sure what it means. You like the place. Who doesn’t? Who wouldn’t? But what is it you like.

    I like it’s relative tolerance and yes “mateship” in the most broad sense … don’t let John Howard steal that word. Or kill that tradition.

    I would like to put an Aboriginal flag outside my house. But I’m not sure my flag waving neighbours would like that. I don’t think they would tolerate it. I don’t think I would be their mate any more. Even now.

    And every Australia Day we should think about these things – This Thing – and maybe try to do something about it. About being an Australian – as opposed to an Orstrayan. And be most thankful for the difference.

    And we should have a backyard game involving a shoe … and maybe riot gear. And some yapping chihuahuas. Televised globally.

  504. Suzanne Blake

    @ Jimmy

    Interesting that Jimmy’s comments on this suddenly ended, around 90 minutes before Gillard announced a staffer was axed from her department.

  505. Jimmy

    No mystery SB – Knocked off work at 5 Friday and I have better things to do over the weekend than talk to you!

  506. Suzanne Blake

    @ Jimmy

    Your apology accepted

  507. Kevin

    @Jimmy

    No mystery SB – Knocked off work at 5 Friday and I have better things to do over the weekend than talk to you!

    Nice to know Jimmy is so productively employed during 9-5pm – good to be able to reply during the bosses time eh?