The live animal trade

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  1. Guy Rundle

    Luke

    I never said or implied that your article was done without Clive James’s consent. But James doesn’t need his illness to promote his work, and doing so diminishes the work itself. A true friend would have realised that the only result of running the story would be the ‘viral pestilence’ of a media storm in the UK, since James is far more famous there than in Australia – and being a true friend, would simply have passed on the opportunity for a lit celeb scoop. James had made it clear by his actions that he wasn’t making his diseases public, and his consent to your request does not absolve you of the responsibility of judging between your roles as friend and journalist (especially given the effects that chemo can have on someone’s powers of will). If the only proof of legitimate public interest you can find is the media storm that followed – you know, the pestilential one – then you’ve made the argument against yourself pretty nicely. Think you succumbed to a case of the Anti-News Unlimiteds in this matter.

  2. Kez

    Guy, you can stop sniping at Sinclair Davidson now. The energy you’ve expended against his allegedly superior attitude towards people in western Melbourne is surely better used elsewhere.

    And I find these lefter-than-thou tendencies of yours curious given your jet-setting lifestyle available to very few.

  3. klewso

    True there is a lot of emotive hyperbole and sensationalism when it comes to “animal rights”, and the debate can do without – but what proof is there that “the Australian abattoir trade …. will be the next target if the live animal trade is damaged”?
    As for “precious resources”, this whole episode could have been avoided if more of those were directed at ensuring the humane handling of cattle, at slaughter, in the first place – rather than the apparent laissez faire/profits first/treating these cattle like lumps of coal sort of attitude that seems to have been “motivation” up to now. How much is this fiasco going to cost, to “fix”?
    What sort of PR does Livecorp have to buy here?

  4. Venise Alstergren

    John Crosby: “”It is essentially a marketing organisation and covers animal welfare where that has marketing impacts. “” You refer of course to your lobby group, which speaks out for Meat and Livestock Australia.

    No wonder our livestock trade cares nothing about the animals being sent overseas to have their throats cut, in deference to overseas religious customs. You blithely cover animal cruelty with statements about marketing impacts. Oh that you had been alive and lobbying in Nazi Germany up to and during WWII. I dare say you would have dismissed the hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions, who died in concentration camps, together with the people who had obscene operations performed on them as a ‘misdirected theme on marketing by the propaganda department’ or some such tripe.

    How do you describe the bundling, frequently by the breaking of their legs, of up to three live sheep into car boots in Kuwait and other countries in the Middle East? It is an open secret that this practise has been going on for many years. It is another marketing strategy which needs to be attended to?

    How about ensuring these animals do not have these obscene acts done to them?
    The marketing then can come by word of mouth. Better still, spend the ‘marketing money’ in developing Australian abattoirs, and killing the animals here?

    Or is the whole attitude of Australia on anything, animal or mineral, that of being merely an open quarry to rip the contents out of for the benefit of foreign interests?

  5. Venise Alstergren

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    John Crosby: “”It is essentially a marketing organisation and covers animal welfare where that has marketing impacts. “” You refer of course to your lobby group, which speaks out for Meat and Livestock Australia.

    No wonder our livestock trade cares nothing about the animals being sent overseas to have their throats cut, in deference to overseas religious customs. You blithely cover animal cruelty with statements about marketing impacts. Oh that you had been alive and lobbying in that far right-wing political party* Germany up to and during WWII. I dare say you would have dismissed the hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions, who died in concentration camps, together with the people who had obscene operations performed on them as a ‘misdirected theme on marketing by the propaganda department’ or some such tripe.

    How do you describe the bundling, frequently by the breaking of their legs, of up to three live sheep into car boots in Kuwait and other countries in the Middle East? It is an open secret that this practise has been going on for many years. It is another marketing strategy which needs to be attended to?

    How about ensuring these animals do not have these obscene acts done to them?
    The marketing then can come by word of mouth. Better still, spend the ‘marketing money’ in developing Australian abattoirs, and killing the animals here?

    Or is the whole attitude of Australia on anything, animal or mineral, that of being merely an open quarry to rip the contents out of for the benefit of foreign interests?

    *Don’t blame me for the words the Crikey moderator takes offence at.

  6. Guy Rundle

    Kez

    well i wasnt sniping this time – i was correcting an elementary mathematical error by a professor of economics, who had accused me of writing an ‘inaccurate’ report.

    ok, and a little sniping as well.

  7. Frank Birchall

    John Crosby: all your blather doesn’t alter the overwhelming fact that the treatment of cattle in Indonesia, as depicted in 4 Corners, is appalling and disgusting cruelty and had to be stopped immediately. Every day it continued would have made all Australians complicit in it. This would have been unacceptable to anyone with respect for non-human life.

  8. Venise Alstergren

    KEZ: Be fair, you can’t expect a journo to travel by canoe-too time consuming.

  9. Flower

    John Crosby – Consultant

    Current Positions

    •Chairman Ag-Management Pty Ltd. Trades and manages water and other assets for corporate agribusiness
    •C&F International Pty Ltd. International agribusiness and trading with emphasis on Australia/Vietnam
    •Farmer at Lucindale SA
    Member SA Cattle Advisory Group,

    •Chairman National Livestock Identification Scheme SA and Member national executive NLIS
    •Member Meat Industry Development Board
    •Chairman Beef Strategy Group
    •Deputy Chairman Australian Quarantine and Export Advisory Council
    •President Agribusiness Association of Australia

    Formerly

    •Member Cattle Council of Australia
    •Senior Vice President National Farmers Federation 1992-1994
    •General Manager at Elders in charge of Feedlots and export Hay 1993-1997
    •Board member Australian Agricultural Company
    •Chairman NSW Meat Industry Authority 1994-1997
    •Chairman National Meat Standards Committee
    •Chairman NFF and NSW Farmers Economic and Trade Committees 1992-1994
    •Board Member Elders Australia Ltd 1993-1997

    “The industry has actually done extremely well in the area of improving animal welfare outcomes over the last 15 years. Losses aboard ship have dropped from about 2% to about 0.1%, a 20 fold improvement to the point where animals are less likely to die on a ship than in the paddock under range conditions. the same can be said for feedlots, particularly the better ones used in the Australian trade of live animals.”

    “Fifteen years?” Says who John Crosby? Your sadistic industry and its dancing boys? Statistics for animals overboard were fudged in 2001 – from thousands to hundreds. On the Al Shuwaikh almost 6000 sheep died of salmonella and heat distress in 2002. On the Corriedale Express the ventilation failed, another 6000 dead. Then on the maiden voyage of the industry’s newest ‘state-of-the-art transporter’, the Becrux , 41 percent of the cattle died. Forty-one percent. The list is endless. And the industry boasts of a world-class operating standard.

    Lies, stupefying swill and cover-ups in this heinous industry continues. Your industry spin of “o.1%” ship mortalities equates to 28,031 animals overboard in 2010. (Source DAFF). Business must be good to carry such losses eh? In 2010, one billion people were malnourished while you fed tens of thousands of diseased livestock to our marine life and dumped millions of tonnes of animal manure into our fragile oceans.

    Further, it was a horrified Princess Alia of Jordan who shut down the stinking Jordanian abattoirs and razed the surrounding meat markets to the ground after receiving intelligence from Lyn White of Animals Australia that Australian animals were being tortured while your disgraceful industry bleated on about its superb progress in animal welfare in the Middle East.

    Seven investigations in five countries into your disgusting greedy trade arrived at one conclusion – Live Exports – Evil. Live Exporters – liars. MLA – liars. Ministers’ of Agriculture – rent boys!

  10. klewso

    “They” eat dogs in parts of Asia …… all these stray dogs (& “cats”?) and “ex-greyhounds”, why can’t we turn a buck from them? Crate ’em up send ’em off?
    Because that sort of “cruelty” isn’t acceptable – or as “lucrative”?

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