Environment

Feb 4, 2011

Hamilton: Queensland being sacrificed to our inaction

Queensland is being sacrificed to Australia’s and the world’s unwillingness to take global warming seriously.

Queensland is being sacrificed to Australia’s and the world’s unwillingness to take global warming seriously.

Like the floods, the fearful intensity of Tropical Cyclone Yasi is probably due to the effects of global warming. Yasi has been intensified by the unusually warm sea-surface temperatures of the Western Pacific, warmth that provides the energy and moisture that made Yasi so terrifying, with the combined effects of tempestuous winds, torrential rains and a storm surge.

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  1. JamesH

    Incoherent outrage and multiple Godwins to follow in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1…

  2. David Sanderson

    No doubt Clive will be howled down in a similar manner to the attacks on Bob Brown but that’s okay – both are pointing to a very uncomfortable truth.

    We are living now with the effects of climate change and it is time we, weakly and self-indulgently, stopped ignoring the realities that are bearing down on us. Our economy and society needs to embark on large scale reform in an effort to beat the threat. Only then will we be able to stand on the world stage and get other countries to embark on their own transformations.

  3. Liz45

    Indded! And who takes any notice of Piers Ackerman? I find him repugnant to human decency, on many levels. I don’t read his articles, I don’t watch him on TV. He’s so predictably vile, that he’s not worth watching? Nor is his mate, Andrew??

    The climate change denyers will be the loudest to scream when we reach that point too far. That’s if we haven’t arrived there already! If just one person would ask Piers A and Andrew B, where they achieved their scientific qualifications – it would be great! They just quote the international denyers, many of whom also worked for tobacco companies, who denied that smoking was injurious to health! We all know how contemptible those people were then – they’re the same or worse now!

  4. Fitz

    @ David Sanderson

    Are you even dafter than Hamilton? “Only then will we be able to stand on the world stage and get other countries to embark on their own transformations.” Who are you kidding. It didn’t need the Copenhagen fiasco to demonstrate that the pipsqueak voices and inevitably tiny physical actions from a country of 22 million people are not going to count when the rulers of billions of people, especially in developing countries, seek to maximise their countries welfare.

    From today’s AFR letters “US President Obama’s 2011 State of the Union message indicated that neither an ETS nor a carbon price were on the US’s climate agenda but that nuclear power was; and that the latest projections by the World Energy Organisation show China’s emissions of greenhouse gases as being twice current levels by 2030.”

    Get real.

    Also, and this applies especially to Hamilton’s latest effusion…

    From a meteorologist friend:

    “Overall the tropical ocean surface temperature during January 2011 was slightly cooler than average (Source: US Department of Commerce, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration).”

    While we know there has been a lot of warming of the earth’s atmosphere, and, probably, ocean during the last 250 years and that CO2 is almost certainly contributing something extra with or without feedback from water vapour effects and cloud albedo, and we can also believe that warmer oceans may add energy to the tropical storms that, nonetheless are not unprecedented in their force since CO2 began to rise significantly, it doesn’t follow that we should be so naive as to take the self-interested statements of Munich Re and other reinsurers as gospel – let alone the scientists who beaver away in small corners of the vast complex whole.

  5. Simon

    Probably need a few more than one to make a claim like this… yeah yeah yeah i know, floods, cyclone Larry. But I’m willing to take it all back if there’s yet another category 5 of the same intensity that hits Queensland in a few years… better 2 or 3 more because then you have a trend and some substantiated facts rather than predictions. No matter how reliable the source, they’re still preditions and don’t replace solid facts. Once cyclones of this size become a seasonal norm you can more confidently make a statement like this. Until then you’re preaching to the choir.

    Yes, personally, I know that something should be done now and we take steps that appropriately insure the future of our nation’s resources like an individual might insure their home, income or life. But to anyone other than the converted this will look like unsubstantiated hyperbole. Which is a real shame because this sort of article makes it difficult to have a rational discussion about climate change simply because of the “incoherent outrage” it provokes.

    Contrasted with the Garnaut article in the same edition of Crikey, this is the stuff of tabloids.

  6. David Dowell

    Clive the problem is that the debate is ar*e about. It is the people who claim global warming – climate change can’t happen, because of anything humans do, who have to prove it. They are the ones who want to change the chemical composition of the atmosphere rather than produce energy in ways that don’t. Want I want to know is what are their parameters for change? Do they have any upper limit on PPM of carbon dioxide? I have never heard about one of them saying we can go to say 500 or 1000 or maybe 10000 PPM or what ever. It is always prove that it will be harmful right now. Not just that but exactly how harmful. Of course, the thing is we don’t have a spare Earth in a lab we can run tests on. We just have this one and we need it to keep operating correctly. We didn’t design it. we don’t have an owners manual, we don’t know what will happen as we keep altering the atmosphere. So sceptics, rather than this constant sniping, explain exactly why it will be OK and include up to what PPM.

  7. CHRISTOPHER DUNNE

    Fritz, are serious? This:

    “Overall the tropical ocean surface temperature during January 2011 was slightly cooler than average (Source: US Department of Commerce, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration).”

    …is like someone in FNQ walking out into the calm moments of the eye of the cyclone and declaring that it’s all over!

    January was cooler? Have you seen the amount of ‘noise’ in the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) data series since 1950? I suggest you do, and notice the steadily rising graph and the choppy movements within it.

    Ocean temperatures are rising, as are atmospheric ones. Carbon dioxide is rising quicker than the planet’s seen in historical times. The physics is elementary. There are global changes in every biosphere on the planet.

    But you quibble about January? Are you serious, or just seriously deluded?

  8. Roger Clifton

    Marvellous graph! It is hard evidence of warming – to my eye, since 1950. Please supply a URL that we can quote in future tussles with disbelievers.

    I wouldn’t mind knowing the lag time between each emission and its expression in the SST – and thus a wilder climate. Evidence of the lag is needed to counter the arguments of those who think we dont have to worry about emissions until the consequences become intolerable.

  9. NIGEL BURGESS

    Perhaps Queensland should become its own best friend and stop exporting enormous amounts of carbon (coal) to the emerging economies to be released into the atmosphere……?

  10. Jonathan Maddox

    “Overall the tropical ocean surface temperature during January 2011 was slightly cooler than average (Source: US Department of Commerce, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration).”

    Not in the tropical western pacific, it wasn’t.

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