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Jul 12, 2010

Telling the truth on Afghanistan

As casualty numbers go up, and community support goes down, it's worth reminding ourselves again why Australia is losing lives and spending billions in a far-away-land called Afghanistan ...


As casualty numbers go up, and community support goes down, it’s worth reminding ourselves again why Australia is losing lives and spending billions in a far-away-land called Afghanistan …

“‘We pursue that mission because Afghanistan is a safe haven for terrorists.” — Prime Minister Gillard

“It is absolutely critical for the safety and security of Australians and Australia to help prevent Afghanistan from again becoming a training ground and operation base for international terrorists.” — Defence Minister Faulkner

“We continue to be committed to our mission to stop Afghanistan from again becoming a breeding ground for international terrorism.” — Foreign Minister Smith

What none of our political leaders will do is give the true reason for Australia’s military presence in Afghanistan’s bloody tribal war — which is this:

“Australia is fighting in Afghanistan because we support our alliance with the US. It is Australia’s cornerstone security alliance, and when America fights a major war, especially in or near our region, Australia needs to provide moral and military support to send a clear message to the US Government that we value the alliance.”

That’s the true reason for our presence in Afghanistan. If you doubt that, ask yourself this question: would Australia be fighting in Afghanistan if the US wasn’t there? Of course we wouldn’t.

There’s nothing wrong with telling the public the truth about our part in this war; it’s a legitimate reason that most people would understand and possibly support.

The best way politicians can show Australian soldiers their respect is to stop lying about why they’re in Afghanistan in the first place.


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19 thoughts on “Telling the truth on Afghanistan

  1. Mark Duffett

    Well, maybe, but if the rationale given by American leaders is the same as the Australian leaders quoted above anyway, is the distinction really that significant? The ultimate cause is still the same.

  2. nillostreet

    To say we wouldn’t be fighting in Afghanistan if the US wasn’t and that this proves the main reason to be fighting is to support our US alliance is a tad simplistic.

    Australia does not have the resources to go it alone in such a conflict and therefore can only really participate in support of its allies.

    This does not weaken the reason we’re there in the first place – to oust a cruel regime that was supporting terrorists who killed Australians in Bali and New York.

  3. BH

    Dear Crikey Editor – if you had lost a loved one in Bali you might be thankful that we have an international alliance pursuing the hotbed vipers who supplies most of the terrorists causing such havoc to innocent people.

    Naturally the US alliance is important to us too. We don’t know what the future holds but it’s nice to think this alliance may help save us again at some time jut as it did 60 odd years ago.

  4. Diana

    I’ve had more than enough of this ‘the yanks saved us 60 years ago and they’ll save us again’ bullshit. Saved us from what? The Japanese had no plans to invade Australia.

    In WWII Australia was a relatively safe base for the US, nothing more. If there had been a real attack on Australian soil, not the intentional distraction the Darwin bombings were, then our American allies would have been off in a cloud of dust. If there ever is an attack on Australia you can bet the yanks will take no notice. They will look the other way. They’ve ‘honoured’ the alliance in this way before. Remember East Timor? Back in 1998 John Howard and Kofi Annan agreed that Australia should lead a multi-national force in East Timor. Howard asked Bill Clinton for help and Clinton refused to commit troops. Eventually he was persuaded to contribute a package of assistance, but that was it. At the time Howard said that considering Australia’s long-standing suppoort for the US this was very disappointing and many Australians would feel let down. For once Howard was right.

    Why don’t we tell the truth and why don’t we learn from history? No-one ever wins wars in Afghanistan. The Afghanistan war serves no purpose, it is just a re-run of Vietnam and will have the same result.

  5. John Bennetts

    BH, emotional response from one personally affected by the Bali bombings, especially an hypothetical family member as per your comment, is hardly a reason to go to war.

    There have been occasions when I would consider war, or at least a vendetta, against certain other Australians. Of course, I didn’t proceed. The risk analysis was not in favour. The reason simply did not stand up to hard headed analysis.

    I have no idea what the onjectives of this particular war’s goals are. There seems to be no definition of success. We are not at war with the Afganistan nation, yet their President seems to be close to supporting war against the US-led forces.

    This editorial quite correctly pointed out the need for public explanation of the reasons for continued Australian involvement, and that it the duty of politicians to do this. Our soldiers and airmen and women are doing a difficult job well, with minimal casualties, but what really is the big picture goal for which their lives are on the line?

  6. j.oneill

    It is rather sad to read some of the comments that appear when the issue of Afghanistan and Australia’s presence is raised. It is obvious that so many people accept the line that the “terrorists” who killed Australians in New York and elsewhere had some connection with Afghanistan. those people ought to take some time to acquaint themselves with the evidence rather than mindlessly repeating the political talking points. Gillard had an article in this morning’s SMH that is breathtaking in its contempt for the intelligence of its readers.

    Even if Afghanistan had been responsible for “harbouring the terrorists” it would not have justified either the American invasion nor Australia’s involvement, as ally maintenance or any other ex post facto justification (and there have been several).

    The blunt truth is that the invasion was an act of aggression contrary to the UN Charter; it was contrary to internaitonal law; and each day we are there we are parties to ongoing war crimes.

    If Gillard, Smith, Faulkner and the others were really interested in opposing the “breeding grounds for international terrorism” they would look first at the United States, the world’s greatest terrorist nation and long time breeder of terrorists.

    However, when we have a Prime Minister who says that her first foreign policy priorities are support for the US and for Israel and waging illegal wars one would be naive to expect any real change in the forseeable future.

  7. John Horsley

    Afghanistan is also a country of huge mineral reserves. A cynic might suggest that it is also in Australia’s interests that we maintain a presence so we can share the economical benefits.

  8. shepherdmarilyn

    Name one international terrorist who is an Afghan? Come on, just one. Can’t?

    Hmmmmmm………surely we should understand by now that this invasion was long in the planning and had a great deal to do with oil and gas and bugger all to do with anything else.

    And enough about Bali, we had invaded Afghanistan a year before the Bali bombings and they were not targetting anyone in particular.

  9. whoknows

    Well it is a curious reason to be in Afghanistan – because of our alliance and to stop ‘the terrorists” – a great “fear generator” to throw out there, used so well by the US, Australia and the UK during the Howard, Bush & Major days, still working (albeit less) today. The west may think in terms of 6 months or a couple of years to settle these matters, but the present war ‘enemy’ think in terms of generational reprisal.

    I do admire the commitment of the Aussie men and women serving, however I sense it is more about high end politics and business commerce than securing a safe civilian future and they are the necessary method of forceful negotiation.

    The expenditure by the US and Australia on this war is obscene and obviously has an agenda that is commensurate with it, that we’re not privy to, however I can’t see “just to stop terrorism” is the reason, as by it’s very nature terrorism is so called because it can be isolated incidents anytime, anywhere.

  10. The_roth

    Why we are in Afghanistan is anybodys guess. The truth is, if there ever was any, has been so obfuscated by rhetoric, lies and propaganda that’ll take historians a hundreds years to work it out.

    Of course winners make up history so whomever is in the driving seat then will have own little slant on it all.

    Btw the excellent Adam Curtis has blog running on the BBC site which attempting to follow the rather tortured path that has has taken us to the “Graveyard of Empires” as the ‘Ghan is affectionately known – you can find it here http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/.

  11. Cletus Purcell

    As an ex-Infantry Warrant Officer of Viet Nam generation and a hopeless, news, current-affairs and military matters addict – I really need to add my tuppence worth here. Consider these facts: way back in 2000 ( before 9/11 provoked and provided the ” excuse ” ) the Texas oil barrons and US oil Companies hosted the Taleban leadership in a visit to the USA. Oh yes, the Taleban had a whale of a time at the expense, time and trouble of their hosts, including lavish Texas ranch BBQ’s with all the trimmings. But there is never a free Lunch, right? The purpose of all this was to get the Taleban ( whom these ” leaders ” of industry recognised and treated as the legitimate Government of Afghanistan ) to name their price in allowing a Trans-National oil pipeline to transit their country from the oil-rich ” Stan ” countries and on out to a deep, warm water port where oil could be shipped on tankers 24/7 and 12 months of each year. The Taleban met and consulted with each other and came back with a figure that they claimed would be adequate to build new schools and hospitals for their people. To the oil boys, this price was way too high and the meetings ended in rancour with one genius, in an echo of US Air Force General, Curtis LeMay, threatening to ” bomb them back to the Stone Age “. Chillingly prescient, wasn’t it? As in Viet Nam, Afghanistan was already back in the Stone Age, so, as a threat it never did cut much ice anyway. You know the rest – but what our beloved leaders etc NEVER mention is that the pipeline has been built and this is another ( largely concealed ) reason we are tolerating death, maiming, blinding and catastrophic mental health and stress issues inflicted on our soldiers. My Son-In-Law has served Tours in Iraq ( twice ) and Afghanistan before getting out and landing a top job in Civvy Street. We know several others very well who are now suffering marriage break-down and alcohol problems. Same as it ever was for professional soldiers: War is random, arbitrary and intrinsically cruel and ” unfair” – however – this is NOT our fight, however you dress it up and certainly is doing nothing whatsoever to protect Australia from ” terrorism “. To believe we can change a societal culture of cruelty, violence and corruption that has been a way of life for a thousand years is the province of morons. I am so relieved my family is out of it now. Thank you, God and/or the deity of your choice.

  12. Malcolm Street

    I was at first in favour of the Afghanistan invasion as a means of busting up Al Quaeda after 911. Nine years on, where is Bin Laden? Al Quaeda has moved over to Pakistan. If we can’t bust the network up after nine years, when will we?

    Now I think it’s Vietnam all over again. Instead of IEDs, try Vietcong booby traps. Taliban disappear into the mountains – Vietcong disappeared into the jungle. Vietnam had escalation, Afghanistan has surges. In both cases the allies are supporting a massively corrupt government with zero credibility, influence or power outside the main city (Saigon/Kabul). In both cases the “natives” had a record of sending empires packing (British and Russians in Afghanistan, Chinese (long ago) and French in Vietnam). Neither had a clear rationale for victory or a clear goal – in both cases the goal and rationale changed as time went on and the war continued with no end in site. In both cases the guerrilla armies made a nonsense of the allied campaign by starting to base themselves in adjoining countries (Laos and Cambodia with Vietnam, Pakistan with Afghanistan).

    I would hope the US would not be stupid enough to invade Pakistan the way it did Cambodia – it would unite a nuclear-armed Pakistan behind the Taliban.

    Yes terrorism needs to be clamped down on. However, it appears to me that this war has totally failed in that aim, is consuming staggering amounts of resources and even further p*ssing off the Islamic world and making heroes of the terrorists. What this debacle has shown is that terrorism IMHO is better handled by intelligence and policing.


    What I want to know is, how do Gillard Faulkner & Smith keep a straight face?

    “It is absolutely critical for the safety and security of Australians and Australia to help prevent Afghanistan from again becoming a training ground and operation base for international terrorists.” —

    After the press interviews, I am sure they go back to their offices and phone each other and yuk!!! it up…and the way they just parrot each other like it’s the same standard version script. Do they really think all Australians are that stupid?

    Some of you say oil and pipeline, others say minerals and mining, some say the opium crops and even others actually believe it’s about curbing terrorism.

    I say it’s about Genocide and killing Pashtuns…why? because they are joint heirs to the Land of Isreal and getting rid of the evidence ( the Pashtuns ) is their priority, anything else is a bonus.

    When I contemplate Australian troops supporting this charade, I feel sick inside…our soldiers are innocent in this as well, and I feel for them as much as I do for the Pashtuns…they have been lied to and are paying the price for that lie.

    The future of any nation that violates these innocent Pashtuns and Afghanis will be the same as Korah…the ground will open up and they will go down to Sheol alive.

  14. Syd Walker

    Personally, I believe that ‘Al Qaida’ is essentially a psy-ops chess piece, invented by the CIA, Mossad, MI6 and other pro-Zionist western spooks. 9-11 was clearly a false flag operation; apart from anything else, if it hadn’t been, there would have been a serious official investigation of that unprecedented atrocity.

    See http://edwardrynearson.wordpress.com/2010/05/02/is-the-war-in-afghanistan-justified-by-911/

    But leaving that aside – and simply going by official testimony of what the current war in Afghanistan is about – it is beyond ludicrous.

    One of America’s finest journalists, IMO,is Glen Greenwald. He doesn’t ‘do’ 9-11 scepticism; I imagine its part of the unspoken rules he operates by in Salon.com (he did, however, do a superb demolition of the last twist in the US Government’s sad attempt to find a patsy for the 2001 anthrax attacks whiuchy co-incidend with passasge of the largely unread ‘PATRIOT Act’ through Congress – see http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2008/08/01/anthrax).

    But Greenwald DOES do a terrific job keeping abreast of – and dissecting – official lies and spin relating to America’s overseas wars. It’s well worth reading all of this recent article The crux of our endless War on Terror

    Here’s a brief extract:

    CIA Director Leon Panetta said that there are at most 100 Al Qaeda members in Afghanistan — which led Fareed Zakaria, with great understatement, to suggest that our nine-year war there seemed “disproportionate” to the ostensible problem — and then asked Leiter how many Al Qaeda members are in Pakistan:

    Leiter: I think [CIA director] Leon Panetta said on Sunday, and I agree with him, that in Afghanistan, you have a certain number, a relatively small number, 50 to 100. I think we have in Pakistan a larger number.

    Q: How many?

    Leiter: Upwards –more than 300, I would say.

    So between Afghanistan and Paksitan combined, there are a few hundred Al Qeada members total. All of this ongoing war and those hundreds of billions of dollars spent and those deaths and the decade of occupation, and those bombings and shootings and drone attacks and lawless prisons and habeas-stripping court precedents: it’s all (ostensibly) for a few hundred extremists total hiding in remote tribal areas. A few hundred.

    The invasion and occupation of Afghanistan is a crime against humanity. Those responsible should be brought to justice. Some of them are Australians.

  15. The Deck

    Thanks Syd:

    ####So between Afghanistan and Paksitan combined, there are a few hundred Al Qeada members total. All of this ongoing war and those hundreds of billions of dollars spent and those deaths and the decade of occupation, and those bombings and shootings and drone attacks and lawless prisons and habeas-stripping court precedents: it’s all (ostensibly) for a few hundred extremists total hiding in remote tribal areas. A few hundred. ####

    Is this what Gillard, Faulkner & Smith keep rabbiting on about….is that it?…300? hahahaha

    If you believed Gillard, Faulkner & Smith, there would be close to a million Al Qaeda operatives lurking in the hills around Kabul….but I guess when the shit hits the fan they can always fall back on faulty “intelligence” servicing.

    ..and that could be put to Howard too. When it was finally confirmed that the Iraqi WMD positon was a crock, as we all knew in advance, he blamed the “intelligence” that was presented.

    So, who exactly is this “intelligence” provider?…as if we did n’t know.

  16. Syd Walker

    @ The Deck

    >>>”So, who exactly is this “intelligence” provider?”

    At the time of the Iraq invasion, John Howard and Stephen Harper in Canada clearly shared the same ‘intelligence provider’. Indeed, they seem to have shared a scriptwriter…


  17. maccas

    Diana, where were you when the Jap’s were bombing Darwin?

  18. John Bennetts

    Bin Laden is not from Afganistan, neither is his money. Why, oh why, doesn’t discussion of the Al Quaida issue include discussion of Saudi Arabia’s role in all of this?

    Hint: Oil for America.

  19. The Deck

    includes airfare


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