Politics

Dec 17, 2008

The lies of the internet censors: Your. Filter. Won’t. Work.

It’s time to call the purveyors of pervasive internet censorship out on their lies and demand to know why they’re not advocating the real solutions to child s-xual abuse, writes Stilgherrian.

Gloves-off time. The purveyors of pervasive internet censorship -- handful that they are -- have burned their goodwill. It's time to call them out on their lies and demand to know why they're not advocating the real solutions to child s-xual abuse.

Bernadette McMenamin of ChildWise, you've crossed the line, defaming everyone who’s protested the government’s plans. "Most of these people are not fully aware of the facts and secondly, those who are aware are, in effect, advocating child p-rnography," you said. How dare you!

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24 thoughts on “The lies of the internet censors: Your. Filter. Won’t. Work.

  1. Charlie

    Finally!

    Great work in finally drawing the line between wasting money on being seen to do something – and the natural fact that money is being taken from people who just get on with doing it.

    Good work.

  2. Andrew Thompson

    Well said. It’s high time that the outrageous lies and libel being peddled by self-interests hiding behind the cloak of protecting children are confronted for what they are. Excellent, considered piece, Crikey.

  3. brettreasure

    McMenamin says: “most of these people are not fully aware of the facts and secondly, those who are aware are, in effect, advocating child pornography.” Stilgherrian is right to draw attention to this allegation. A person unable to separate policy criticism from criminality is not a suitable person for a government working group.

  4. Kerry

    Thanks Crikey for highlighting the ignoramus Bernadette McMenamin of ChildWise and her outlandish claims, in the main unsupported by fact. Why, if she has the interests of children at heart, she does not get opinions of experts in Internet site blocking and filtering instead of going off on a tangent, abusing anyone who disagrees with her uneducated rants. Perhaps if she was to do something very simple, try googling the subject, that shouldnt be too hard for even her brain to comprehend. She may be surprised at what searching the words net filtering, etc etc will bringup. I am convinced this stupid person isnt really concerned about stopping the availability of child pornography but more interested in being on the Conroy bandwaggon to get as much publicity for herself as she can. Being aligned with the Minister is as clever as laying down in front of an oncoming steamroller. Conroy has shown total ignorance of what he is doing or he is just plain stupid. I cannot believe Rudd is allowing him to make the Govt look a bloody fool, unless of course Rudd himself is one who actually believes the nonsense being spouted about the virtues of filtering. I cannot imagine he is that silly, or is he?

  5. Connor Moran

    What a nonsense Stilgherrian. Filters can be made to work. In our business we do it day after day. Having said that, I disagree with the approach because it should be that;

    ISPs are REQUIRED to provide two feeds on request. A feed with a filter for all the crap, viruses, spam, porn and then an unfiltered feed. You should have to OPT out of the filter. I know endless parents, schools and businesses that would start with that filtered feed first.

    You’re on shaky ground by suggesting Glenn Milne is in your corner. That hardly re-inforces your argument.

    This is exactly the sort of writing that had me let my subscription lapse!

  6. david

    Gail you hit the proverbial nail on the head. Miss McMenamin most certainly has a hidden agenda and it is money. What the country should be asking for is an audit of her travel and accommodation over the last 5 years. lets get some explaining done by the said protector of the internet why she has spent tens of thousands of dollars on overseas jaunts that would do the PM proud. This woman is a phony and should be shown for what she is. Her interest is ruled out by her ignorance of the facts, she has produced no good arguement as to how and why a filter can possibly work. The woman is frankly unstable and the Minister is condemned by his acceptance of her. As has been asked here earlier, is Rudd stupid? How can he allow Conroy to be conned as he is certainly being, more to the point whats in it for the Government? Perhaps the Hon Fieldings vote in the Senate on other matters.

  7. garyb

    has childwise advocated moving to remote indigenous communities?

    seems the reported child abuse since the intervention is less than the two major capitals
    makes for a strange comparision

    so one must be ‘seen’ to be doing something….regardless of how effective it all is
    part of the impotent pious approach to telling people what to do , instead of coming up with real workable solutions

    the church and government keep doing this…don’t they ever learn?

    one thing…internet users do learn, and take appropriate action to overcome real world issues

    wireless workarounds which bypass ISPs can only be a step away…
    satellite technologies are available to any home user

    there is no need to use the main satellite feed

    by introducing such a poor implementation Snr Conroy runs the risk of assisting the illegals become uncatchable..again

  8. Dave Liberts

    Good article. The pro-censorship lobby are very hesitant to discuss the practical side-effects of their proposal, such as slowing internet speeds and blocking harmless material accidently. We could take the same approach with the climate debate, ban all carbon emissions and conveniently ignore any side effects this might have (eg stopping breathing). We’d be dead, but ideologically pure.

  9. Clancy Obermann

    It’s difficult to ascertain what rent-a-quote Ms McMenamin and ChildWise actually do apart from the chairman attending conferences in Asia and staying at 5 star sponser hotels. What the foundation does physically to aid the prevention of child abuse is pretty non-existence. McMenamin, who openly complains about other charities like Youth Of The Streets because of their capacity to raise large donations and attract well helled sponsors whilst doing wonderful work with a superb track record for assisting young people , should be called to task for libelling anyone who doesn’t agree with her.

    She has repeated nonsense similar to the former US Attorney General Alberto Gonzales claiming the net has tens of thousands of child porn sites bringing in billions of dollars a year. Neither of them offer any proof for these claims and if it were true why aren’t they allerted authorities to these illicit sites so they may take action to close them down.

    Everyone wishes to prevent the abuse of children whether it’s sexual, mental, physical or from cruelty or neglect but it is time to call these self -appointed experts like McMenamin who think it’s fine to insult others who do not agree with their beliefs-particularly when those beliefs are simply unrue such as the internet censorship proposals which simply do not work.

    Childwise prevent no facts-just claims and beliefs and to further add insults and libels to the majority of Australians who disagree is outrageous. Nor does it advance the cause of child abuse prevention.

  10. Jon Seymour

    Connor,

    If Glenn Milne is not in our camp, he does a remarkably good job of airing most of our arguments. Perhaps you care to point to the evidence that suggests Milne has a contrary opinion?

    Why require the filter to be opt-out? If there is demand for it, if it is effective, if it doesn’t have any performance impacts, why aren’t families queuing up for it? Why make it mandatory for everyone?

    The truth is, most people don’t want the filter. If the filter was opt-in, the Government would have to subsidise it and any flaws would cause the population to abandon it in droves. The filter is opt-out because that is the only way to guarantee that the bulk of the population sticks with it. That is co-ercion. That is flat out unacceptable in a democratic society.

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