Is Qantas in business for staff or customers?
Sealed Section - February 18
A disgruntled Qantas customer writes:
“I have just returned from the United States and travelled on Qantas through Los Angeles airport.
While the new terminal facility is a very impressive and clean, the
surly and disinterested Qantas staff, make for a very unimpressive
I also observed a very pushy Australian Qantas staff member, with her
husband at the check-in counter, waving her Qantas identity card and
shoving copious quantities of luggage through the system, and then
securing first-class seats for herself and co-traveller at the expense
of a number of other regular business class passengers who were
attempting to upgrade to first-class using their increasingly devalued
The ground and cabin staff were all fawning all over this fortunate couple.
I can only hope that the Qantas employee by the name of McCulloch had a
very pleasant flight at the expense of those fare-paying passengers who
keep her in her job.
When will Qantas get real and look after of those who pay to keep the company in the air?Qantas staff warned about rortingSealed Section - February 25
It seems like the staff at Qantas are expressing their unhappiness
through misuse of staff travel. Check out this memo that went out to
staff on Monday afternoon:
Message - Breaches of Staff Travel Policy
Due to several recent incidents, I would like to remind all employees
that the following practices are serious breaches of Staff Travel
- Creation of 'phantom' commercial bookings to "protect" (ie block from sale) seats for staff travel use.
- Manipulation of the staff travel onload/upgrade priority in the reservations or departure control systems.
- Travel by a beneficiary who is no longer eligible for staff
travel but holds a ticket issued before eligibility status was removed.
- Adding, as a travel beneficiary, a person who has been dismissed
from Qantas, or is currently suspended from the use of Staff Travel.
Audit processes are in place to monitor fraudulent practices such as
those mentioned above. Such breaches of policy will result in
disciplinary action which may include, as has recently happened,
termination of employment.
Please ensure you are aware of your responsibilities in relation to
Staff Travel Policy. All employees are encouraged to familiarise
themselves with this Policy at
http://qfintranet.qantas.com.au/stafftravel/policy or call Staff Travel
for clarification on particular issues.
Terry ByrneHead of Remuneration and ProgramsCRIKEY:
We can’t see the policy because it’s on the Qantas
intranet but this memo clearly suggests that a lot of staff have been
shafting paying customers and rorting the system. Can anyone provide
more details on what free or discounted flights Qantas staff at
different levels are entitled to? For instance, Qantas chairman
Margaret Jackson was presumably delivered to John Travolta’s recent
birthday party in first class. Does she declare the value of this as a
fringe benefit? It certainly doesn't appear in the annual report as
that only covers cash fees, super and the like.
Re: details on free or discounted Qantas staff flights
Because discounts are usually respected between carriers, there's
probably nothing spectacular in their policy. Or at least nothing
substantially different from any other carrier's policy.
Close affiliates (eg. British Airways to Qantas) would respect their
normal staff discount known in the trade as 'ID90' (industry discount
90). That's 90% off, not 90% of, if you see what I mean.
Less chummy carriers would still offer some respectable discounts to
staff from other airlines, from 80 down.
BA / Qantas policy was (as of 5 years ago, and probably hasn't changed):
- Each employee can have as many flights as they like at ID90
(which explains why about 2,500 people applied for a cleaning role at
the terminal in Cairns about two decades ago - before such jobs were
smart-sourced out to non-perk-demanding contractors),
- Each employee can nominate an immediate family member for a
duration of 12 months at a time, starting at the anniversary of your
commencement date, who can also receive these discounts (for use within
that 1 year period only). They don't have to fly with the employee.
- Employees who didn't 'get home' on time were severely
reprimanded, and one of the requirements for travel perks was that you
booked two routes back. Obviously as a staff traveller, you're
the first person to get shafted by the 103% over-booking policy most
- Making phantom bookings to increase your likelihood of a seat (or
even worse, the likelihood of being bumped up into business class) was
cause for dismissal, and rightly so -- if for no other reason than it
showed an immense amount of stupidity to make such an easily traced
false booking on a flight you just happen to be on. Auditors only
have to identify the flights staff were on, and then track down the
handful of no-shows from those flights -- both painfully easy tasks.
While these discounts make flight really quite affordable, there are
two things to keep in mind. First, most non-executive staff found
the discounts a huge motivating factor, up until the moment they
realised they weren't paid enough to actually eat anything or sleep
anywhere when they got to their destination. This may go some way
to explaining the stereotype that surrounds airline industry
Second, the discount is calculated from the normal 'RRP', if you will,
cost for that leg. So while you and I can both suffer the joys of
living in a short person's world while enjoying a cramped
Melbourne/Sydney hop for just $89, the ID90 on that flight would not be
$9, but rather $45 - half of the actual commonly available cost.
Same thing for useful trips too - you can get $1200 Sydney/Heathrow
returns, but discounts would be calculated on the carrier's ~$2,600
full fare. So it's still very good, but not quite as good as it
JeddQantas staff are the bottom of the food chain
I was forwarded this story by a co-worker. I am a travel
beneficiary of a Qantas staff member and just want to make some
While it is unfortunate that this particular customer was on the
receiving end of bad service, I can only highlight that in my
experience of travelling as a beneficiary has been that we are really
treated as the bottom of the food chain, and we accept it.
Many staff (cannot comment for upper management) travel on stand
by. This means that if there is no seat on the plane - you do not
get on, as simple as that. There was an instance last year where
are large amount of staff were stuck in Singapore for many days.
We understand that there are full fare paying passengers that have a
greater right to board an aircraft than staff. There is a policy for
travelling that all staff must adhere to. My partner and I follow
it, and would not think of otherwise, as we know that staff travel is a
privilege that comes with working for the company. If there are
staff that rort the system - they are sure to be weeded out and it
looks like Qantas are on the ball with dealing with it.
While I cannot divulge the details on the discounted flights that staff
receive, I will state that we all the same amount of airport and
government charges and taxes as full fare paying passengers. Many
large companies offer benefits to their staff - the major banks offer
discounted loans to staff for instance. It's just that the staff
benefit of discounted travel is more glamorous I guess.
The frequently flying Qantas staff get the perks
A relatively minor but corroborating story about your QF staff travel rort stuff.
Took the wife to Sydney on the weekend for a rare treat. I'm up every
other week so it was nice to have her along as well. Being booked on
the 6am Sunday flight, thought I'd try a points upgrade to
Business. The lady in the Club tried very hard but in response to
queries on the phone about the bookings for business and "us", she was
told, yes, there were seats but no, there would be no catering, so I
gave it a miss.
On the way through to our seats up the back though, it was obvious that
most of the happy chappies in the sharp end were staff. I'm glad
they ate well, but it's not a good look guys, and so obvious to those
of us who support your airline, only to be thwarted in trying to use
the incentives to continue to do so.
A loyal (get it) subscriberFlying "Crew Class"
Among my group of friends and work colleagues, Qantas domestic business
class has come to be known as "Crew Class", there being so many staff
in the big seats on some flights. I travel a lot and usually get seat
1A, except when there are crew to be ferried around. I know they have
to move staff all over the place, but, frankly, that's because the rest
of us are paying, so maybe we should get a little priority. The thing
that really gets up my shirt is that some of the working flight
attendants spend so much time talking to the travelling crew that all
the paying customers get less service. This is worse the later in the
day the flight is leaving. By the 8.30 out of Melbourne it can be like
a party that you haven't been invited to.