Comments on: Palmer, Greens win the West — now Abbott must play ball now with extra source Tue, 01 Dec 2015 18:16:27 +0000 hourly 1 By: CML Wed, 09 Apr 2014 08:14:25 +0000 Tyger - have only just read your comment. Anyone who votes for Palmer or the Greens is still a moron in my book. And I will thank you to stop your insulting comments of my ‘pretty dated picture’ crap.
I have been a student of Labor politics all my life - over 70 years. I have lived the events that you younger people read about in history books. My uncle was a Labor member of parliament in a state government for some years, so I also have some inside knowledge.
What is happening inside Labor at present, has been going on to a greater or lesser degree for as long as I can remember. It is NOT the Labor party which has gone off the rails so much, but the Union movement. Those drunk with power in the latter need to be excised, and we need to get back to union officials working for their members, NOT themselves.
If this doesn’t happen over the next couple of years, then there will be a second (1955 type) split, IMHO. The media and the conservative forces in this country, love these union Judas types (think K Jackson et al), most of whom should be in prison.
Just remember that the MSM, especially the Murdoch variety, will do ANYTHING (look at the UK experience) to destroy Labor. That is their main mission in life. It has been going on for as long as I have been alive. And people believe all the crap that is fed to them.
Why do you think you have to work so hard to convince a couple of deniers that climate change is real? Because you have the MSM of the same brand dishing up total rubbish on this issue, day in, day out. All for their own grubby, greedy reasons, of course.
Now, just substitute Climate Debate for Labor Party, and you begin to get the picture!!!!!

By: Tyger Tyger Wed, 09 Apr 2014 02:08:36 +0000 CML @10, ever been to WA? I have. I lived and worked over there for seven years. There’s quite a few people there, more and more by the day and many of those from NSW and Victoria. I can assure you, while it contains its fair share of morons, you’ll find your usual mix, most neither more nor less self-interested than the rest of us as regards issues like the GST.
The fact Labor has struggled to pick up more than a few seats there has been a factor in recent Federal elections, while Queensland’s wild swings have been as important as those in NSW and moreso than the relatively stable numbers in Vic. It’s a pretty dated picture of this country you’ve got in your head.

By: Steve777 Tue, 08 Apr 2014 09:20:43 +0000 It won’t be easy for Tony Abbott. He doesn’t do negotiation.

By: Liamj Tue, 08 Apr 2014 01:54:37 +0000 Given the declining vote of Lab, it is time the media stopped referring to only Labor as ‘the opposition’.

Donning my tinfoil hat, i seem to recall that Clives future fortunes are dependant on Chinese investors, so perhaps Clive is the sockpuppet, not Dio Wang. If Wang doesn’t start filing in the nearly-blank background and his-masters-voice foreground, then the theories will only get wilder.

By: Bill Parker Tue, 08 Apr 2014 00:48:54 +0000 Come on CML we are not all morons. And I do not take too kindly to being identified as such. The fact that Palmer the CB achieved what he did was largely due to the ad spend.

The man I feel sorry for is Wang and the heavy hand above him. Let’s hope he has the courage of his convictions and stands up for his ideals.

And as a matter of record, the “morons” as you insultingly call is CML (the anonymous) voted for sensible man at least. I refer to Scott Ludlam.

By: Malcolm Street Mon, 07 Apr 2014 22:42:30 +0000 Oh and also, PUP gets a WA rep, GST isn’t changed, what happens to PUP in WA at the next senate election? One-trick pony?

By: Malcolm Street Mon, 07 Apr 2014 22:41:33 +0000 CML - Palmer has been too clever by half with his GST push. In any forthcoming state or federal election campaign they can now be painted as WA stooges and/or liars.

By: MJPC Mon, 07 Apr 2014 21:59:12 +0000 @John Ryan, wholly agreed. Citizen Abbott, fresh back with his Asian circus, will be looking forward to happy times in the Senate with fellow traveling PUP’s come July.
Right, Palmer may be anti Carbon and Mining taxes but he will only get rid of them after some serious horse trading by the Government.
Abetz might be all touchy feely for the new comers, lets see what he says past July when Palmer starts calling in some favours and the LNP have to eat humble pie.
On another matter, Go Greens!

By: AR Mon, 07 Apr 2014 20:01:47 +0000 A small hope is that Bullock stands down “for personal reasons” and the next person on the ticket, ie Pratt, assumes the place.
As others have pointed out, the real story is “a plague on both your houses” to the ‘majors’ - not just the Greens almost at parity with Labor but the overall spurning of the usual suspects by the electorate.
Labor has been dead for a decade, the only movement is due to the necrotic worms - looking you Shorten and all your ilk, vat extruded apparatchiks without any sign of original, let alone independent, thought.

By: CML Mon, 07 Apr 2014 15:29:13 +0000 Who cares about the morons in WA? This was a Senate byelection ONLY, and even if the low Labor vote is repeated at the next federal election, it will make virtually no difference to the final outcome. Federal elections are won and lost largely in NSW and Vic.
The voters in WA were li+d to by Palmer, about the GST, and they lapped it up like the fools they are. Palmer cannot and never will influence the GST state split, and WA has to learn to live with the fact that they have more than their fair share of mining riches. What they conveniently forget over there, is that the other states topped up their finances in WA for over 100 years, until the mineral deposits were discovered. And today, they want more, more, more - just like the selfish bast+rds they are.
So - when you have dug up all the riches over there, and squandered the profits, you will be back for more of other states money. Change your ways, or it may not happen!

By: Tyger Tyger Mon, 07 Apr 2014 13:50:56 +0000 It’s been entertaining reading LNP and ALP supporters go after each other on various blogs following this result:
“You’re the loser!”
“No, you’re the loser!”
I agree!
And the report in The Age today of union and faction heavyweight Bill Shorten saying Labor had to reform to be relevant. Reform what exactly, Bill? The disproportionate influence of union and faction heavyweights?

By: Elvis Mon, 07 Apr 2014 11:37:04 +0000 An extraordinary result for PUP senator-elect Wang. An engineer born and educated in China, he arrived in Australia in 2003 and became an Australian citizen in 2009. I wish him all the very best, and hope Clive treats him decently.
Wang has some sensible views on the environment (e.g. renewable energy) but how can Wang possibly express an equal opinion in the party room when Clive had him elected off his own money and personality?

By: The Pav Mon, 07 Apr 2014 07:21:32 +0000 It will be interesting to see how honest the PUP is using the defintion that an honest politician is one who when bought stays bought because Abbott will be totally reckless in the political bribes that he offers to obtain PUP votes.

His problem is that Palmer will out negotiate Abbott by the length of the straight and the cost will be horrendous

By: John Ryan Mon, 07 Apr 2014 04:49:47 +0000 West Australians are going to find out what voting for a Carpetbagger really means,Palmer is the ultimate Carpetbagger
and the mugs fell for it hook line and sinker.
WA voters will live to regret this

By: zut alors Mon, 07 Apr 2014 04:48:06 +0000 …the PUP bloc (assuming the latter holds together).’

That’s a big assumption.

I imagine Palmer’s finger puppets will behave themselves initially but, once they breathe the air in Canberra, we should not be surprised by any fallouts. Can’t wait to see Clive’s face when he eventually realises he can’t simply sack anyone who refuses to toe the line.

By: William Bowe Mon, 07 Apr 2014 04:45:26 +0000 You are quite correct, John. Apologies - scratch HEMP from my list of PUP preference feeders.

By: John Anderson Mon, 07 Apr 2014 04:06:49 +0000 The Senate preference voting ticket for HEMP shows Labor being preferenced before PUP. Then the Greens. HEMP’s 1% will therefore flow to Labor’s Pratt, not PUP. One small hope for Labor is that if PUP’s primary vote falls from 12.49% to say under 12% once pre-polls et al are counted, then the PUP will have to swallow up even more micro party preferences to get a quota. It means fewer right-of-centre micro party preferences would flow to the LIBs who will need every preference it can get to gain three quotas.

By: peterh_oz Mon, 07 Apr 2014 03:53:08 +0000 Multiple and strong second-tier parties is good for our democracy, although the vested interest and bankrolling of PUP worries me. But any reduction in the dupoply is a bonus. If only the House of Reps had the same/similar system as in the Senate (ie proportional representation, such as in NZ), we might see some actual democracy and real debate there too.

By: Raaraa Mon, 07 Apr 2014 02:31:54 +0000 The focus too often has been Lib vs Lab or Lab + Greens vs Coalition or even Lab + Greens vs Coalition + PUP.

Realistically, it looks more like it’s Lib + Lab vs the others and there has been a significant downward trend for totals votes going for the Big 2 parties.

To those who say that minor parties are irrelevant were dismissing the fact that most governments in the past have had to negotiate with crossbenches to get bills through.