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	<title>Comments on: How the day unfolded: anatomy of a failed coup</title>
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		<title>By: shepherdmarilyn</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/03/21/labor-spill-crean-brings-on-leadership-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-241656</link>
		<dc:creator>shepherdmarilyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 09:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except that Crean knew days in advance that Rudd was not going to challenge, Crean should have challenged if he wanted to but why try and set up Rudd again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except that Crean knew days in advance that Rudd was not going to challenge, Crean should have challenged if he wanted to but why try and set up Rudd again.</p>
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		<title>By: cnewt27</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/03/21/labor-spill-crean-brings-on-leadership-challenge/comment-page-1/#comment-241630</link>
		<dc:creator>cnewt27</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 23:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For all the space and time wasted by msm journos and &quot;analysts&quot; (particularly the sneering bevy of ABC &quot;experts&quot;) I&#039;m still waiting for some analysis that tells me whether Crean&#039;s intention was to help get Rudd elected or to have him crushed, again, in a ballot. Wouldn&#039;t you think that was , you know, basic for people getting paid a lot to &quot;analyse&quot; which simply means (and I&#039;m thinking Chris Uhlman here) of just sneering and offering vague opinions as in his pointless contributions to LNL- the ALP is suffering from &quot;some kind of sickness&quot; but he couldn&#039;t get any more specific than that! ABC, can I get a job doing this?)
I listened pretty carefully to any statement Crean made and if he was in cahoots with Rudd or even supporting him then it was a pretty odd way of expressing it. Just sneering that Rudd not running was farcical, madness (as the ABC news informed me!!)seems pretty shallow. Just why Rudd was obliged to run and be beaten at the direction of Crean (and Gillard?) escapes me and clearly doesn&#039;t exercise the minds of our best and brightest journos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all the space and time wasted by msm journos and &#8220;analysts&#8221; (particularly the sneering bevy of ABC &#8220;experts&#8221;) I&#8217;m still waiting for some analysis that tells me whether Crean&#8217;s intention was to help get Rudd elected or to have him crushed, again, in a ballot. Wouldn&#8217;t you think that was , you know, basic for people getting paid a lot to &#8220;analyse&#8221; which simply means (and I&#8217;m thinking Chris Uhlman here) of just sneering and offering vague opinions as in his pointless contributions to LNL- the ALP is suffering from &#8220;some kind of sickness&#8221; but he couldn&#8217;t get any more specific than that! ABC, can I get a job doing this?)<br />
I listened pretty carefully to any statement Crean made and if he was in cahoots with Rudd or even supporting him then it was a pretty odd way of expressing it. Just sneering that Rudd not running was farcical, madness (as the ABC news informed me!!)seems pretty shallow. Just why Rudd was obliged to run and be beaten at the direction of Crean (and Gillard?) escapes me and clearly doesn&#8217;t exercise the minds of our best and brightest journos.</p>
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		<title>By: Hamis Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hamis Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 02:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The press corps &quot;Walking Dead&quot;, no longer able to slaver after Leadershit, are now stumbling after Abbott&#039;s &quot;wrecked party&quot; meme.
Will no-one rid us of Mudorc&#039;s meddlesome &quot;secular&quot;, self-regulating, zombie priests?
Into the garbage bin of history with them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The press corps &#8220;Walking Dead&#8221;, no longer able to slaver after Leadershit, are now stumbling after Abbott&#8217;s &#8220;wrecked party&#8221; meme.<br />
Will no-one rid us of Mudorc&#8217;s meddlesome &#8220;secular&#8221;, self-regulating, zombie priests?<br />
Into the garbage bin of history with them!</p>
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		<title>By: Warren Joffe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren Joffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 01:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Achmed 

I see you did mean &quot;unanimously&quot; and in both cases you are just plain wrong.

The problem with Rudd and Gillard not having destroyed the good work of Hawke-Keating and Howard-Costello and claiming credit for what mining companies and other taxpaying businesses have made possible in the way of better economic stats (apart from productivity for one) than nearly all other countries is that they are a mixture of the old Whitlamite spend up on things which make us feel good Labor while pretending to be the real old Labor which battled for the old typically unionised working class and the modern cynical careerists, often private school boys, who, at best, turned to Labor because of some romanticised view of its values.  They will spend what productive people make and pay in taxes (or borrowed money) to buy the votes that keep them in a position to do good (if extravagant) things and bad things like handing mining leases to mates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Achmed </p>
<p>I see you did mean &#8220;unanimously&#8221; and in both cases you are just plain wrong.</p>
<p>The problem with Rudd and Gillard not having destroyed the good work of Hawke-Keating and Howard-Costello and claiming credit for what mining companies and other taxpaying businesses have made possible in the way of better economic stats (apart from productivity for one) than nearly all other countries is that they are a mixture of the old Whitlamite spend up on things which make us feel good Labor while pretending to be the real old Labor which battled for the old typically unionised working class and the modern cynical careerists, often private school boys, who, at best, turned to Labor because of some romanticised view of its values.  They will spend what productive people make and pay in taxes (or borrowed money) to buy the votes that keep them in a position to do good (if extravagant) things and bad things like handing mining leases to mates.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren Joffe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren Joffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 00:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Achmed

I would be inclined to say &quot;spare me from the help of my friends&quot; except that your mindless cheer squad usage was echoed by Emma Alberici (from memory) who also said that Gillard was re-elected unanimously (your word &quot;anonymously&quot; was, I presume, a mistake on top of a mistake).  BS.  She was re-elected nem. con. [nemine contradicente] which concealed in reality the opposition of almost half the caucus.  Haven&#039;t you noticed the resignations and sackings?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Achmed</p>
<p>I would be inclined to say &#8220;spare me from the help of my friends&#8221; except that your mindless cheer squad usage was echoed by Emma Alberici (from memory) who also said that Gillard was re-elected unanimously (your word &#8220;anonymously&#8221; was, I presume, a mistake on top of a mistake).  BS.  She was re-elected nem. con. [nemine contradicente] which concealed in reality the opposition of almost half the caucus.  Haven&#8217;t you noticed the resignations and sackings?</p>
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		<title>By: Achmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Achmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 00:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CML - not happy with her original take over from Rudd, but she has now faced two challenges to her leadership, both won with unanimous support.  Abbott only got elected by a majority of one vote, and his mate Slipper is no longer there to support him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CML - not happy with her original take over from Rudd, but she has now faced two challenges to her leadership, both won with unanimous support.  Abbott only got elected by a majority of one vote, and his mate Slipper is no longer there to support him.</p>
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		<title>By: CML</title>
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		<dc:creator>CML</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 













@ Achmed  -  What you say is absolutely right.  I do not question that the nation is in good shape when compared with other OECD countries.  The problem is Gillard.
First, the way she became PM.  Many, many people do not accept her legitimacy.  Second, she has managed to comprehensively stuff up just about every process she has undertaken.  Third, for heaven sake doesn&#039;t anybody realise that 31% of the primary vote just doesn&#039;t cut it?  I will predict her support will be all down hill from here.  It is all about Gillard, and bug+ar the Australian people.  
If it were otherwise, why didn&#039;t she step aside and allow Rudd, who has a far better chance of winning the election than she has, to keep a Labor government in power?
I am totally depressed about what happened yesterday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ </p>
<p>@ Achmed  -  What you say is absolutely right.  I do not question that the nation is in good shape when compared with other OECD countries.  The problem is Gillard.<br />
First, the way she became PM.  Many, many people do not accept her legitimacy.  Second, she has managed to comprehensively stuff up just about every process she has undertaken.  Third, for heaven sake doesn&#8217;t anybody realise that 31% of the primary vote just doesn&#8217;t cut it?  I will predict her support will be all down hill from here.  It is all about Gillard, and bug+ar the Australian people.<br />
If it were otherwise, why didn&#8217;t she step aside and allow Rudd, who has a far better chance of winning the election than she has, to keep a Labor government in power?<br />
I am totally depressed about what happened yesterday.</p>
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		<title>By: Achmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Achmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 17:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Low inflation, low unemployment, low interest rates, low debt to GDP ratio and multi-buillions dollars investment.
The Libs and their right wing media supporters would have us believe we are worse off than Greece etc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Low inflation, low unemployment, low interest rates, low debt to GDP ratio and multi-buillions dollars investment.<br />
The Libs and their right wing media supporters would have us believe we are worse off than Greece etc</p>
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		<title>By: Warren Joffe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren Joffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 15:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing wrong with the Gillard government except failure to control expenditure on which Labor is characteristically even worse than non-Labor (unless you get a Muldoon, if you remember how it was NZ Labor&#039;s Roger Douglas who had to clean up after him) AND that pandering to unions who represent only 13 per cent of the private sector workforce but are causing steady leakage of national prosperity while their careerists get themselves on the public teat as MPs or Senators, or get well paid for roles such as board membership of super funds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing wrong with the Gillard government except failure to control expenditure on which Labor is characteristically even worse than non-Labor (unless you get a Muldoon, if you remember how it was NZ Labor&#8217;s Roger Douglas who had to clean up after him) AND that pandering to unions who represent only 13 per cent of the private sector workforce but are causing steady leakage of national prosperity while their careerists get themselves on the public teat as MPs or Senators, or get well paid for roles such as board membership of super funds.</p>
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		<title>By: CML</title>
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		<dc:creator>CML</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 14:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malcolm  -  &quot;...the only ones really convinced are the journalists...&quot; 
Aren&#039;t you forgetting that somewhere around 70% of electors WILL NOT vote for a Labor party led by Gillard?  You may think she is god&#039;s gift to political leadership, but two-thirds of your fellow citizens do not agree with you.  That last number is about to escalate  -  I predict to around three-quarters?  Bloody unbelievable!
Andybob  -  right in one!  As mentioned above, I reckon around 25% in coming weeks?  By then it will be all over bar the shouting!  Qld election revisited, and it will be all her own work!!
Everyone should remember that old political truism: The poll on election day is the only one that counts.  This one will be disastrous for Labor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malcolm  -  &#8220;&#8230;the only ones really convinced are the journalists&#8230;&#8221;<br />
Aren&#8217;t you forgetting that somewhere around 70% of electors WILL NOT vote for a Labor party led by Gillard?  You may think she is god&#8217;s gift to political leadership, but two-thirds of your fellow citizens do not agree with you.  That last number is about to escalate  -  I predict to around three-quarters?  Bloody unbelievable!<br />
Andybob  -  right in one!  As mentioned above, I reckon around 25% in coming weeks?  By then it will be all over bar the shouting!  Qld election revisited, and it will be all her own work!!<br />
Everyone should remember that old political truism: The poll on election day is the only one that counts.  This one will be disastrous for Labor.</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm Harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malcolm Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>doesn&#039;t look like a failed coup to me. looks more like a successful strategy to diffuse a situation that smoulders on with the media always trying to turn it into a bonfire and apparently oblivious to any other narrative other than the one they have been running relentlessly for what seems like years now. Despite all attempts to persuade us that this government is unstable and dysfunctional, the only ones really convinced are the journalists who made the story up in the first place.m.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>doesn&#8217;t look like a failed coup to me. looks more like a successful strategy to diffuse a situation that smoulders on with the media always trying to turn it into a bonfire and apparently oblivious to any other narrative other than the one they have been running relentlessly for what seems like years now. Despite all attempts to persuade us that this government is unstable and dysfunctional, the only ones really convinced are the journalists who made the story up in the first place.m.</p>
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		<title>By: Hamis Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hamis Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 09:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The leadershit vultures are now waddling about too stuffed to fly.
Time to get the clubs out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The leadershit vultures are now waddling about too stuffed to fly.<br />
Time to get the clubs out.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Bray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy Bray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 08:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 6:33 post. Well done Crikey. I thought you all went home @ 2.00pm. My money is well spent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 6:33 post. Well done Crikey. I thought you all went home @ 2.00pm. My money is well spent.</p>
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		<title>By: drmick</title>
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		<dc:creator>drmick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 07:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And she has been forensically examined and tested; like no one else on either side or anyone else in politics antwhere ever. F@ck the press gallery, their employers and the rest of the gutless haters. She will do me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And she has been forensically examined and tested; like no one else on either side or anyone else in politics antwhere ever. F@ck the press gallery, their employers and the rest of the gutless haters. She will do me.</p>
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		<title>By: Achmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Achmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 07:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like it or not Gillard has been anonymously elected by the Labor Party.
Thats a bigger endorsement than Abbotts one vote win</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like it or not Gillard has been anonymously elected by the Labor Party.<br />
Thats a bigger endorsement than Abbotts one vote win</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 07:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rudd - chickensh*t. One might guess that Crean committed hari-kari in order to flush Rudd out. Final selfless act for Gillard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rudd - chickensh*t. One might guess that Crean committed hari-kari in order to flush Rudd out. Final selfless act for Gillard.</p>
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		<title>By: Achmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Achmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 07:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andybob - Having watched to whole thing on telly I thought he acted in the best interests of the Party.  He spoke to both Rudd and Gillard before calling for the spill.  I think his actions were to put the Party first and completely put to bed the constant leadership debate so the Party could move ahead.
Its a shame that his actions were seen as disloyalty and he got sacked.  I think his action were the most loyal to the Party that we have seen in ages, he put the Party first</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andybob - Having watched to whole thing on telly I thought he acted in the best interests of the Party.  He spoke to both Rudd and Gillard before calling for the spill.  I think his actions were to put the Party first and completely put to bed the constant leadership debate so the Party could move ahead.<br />
Its a shame that his actions were seen as disloyalty and he got sacked.  I think his action were the most loyal to the Party that we have seen in ages, he put the Party first</p>
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		<title>By: michael r james</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael r james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 07:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>paddy &amp; Achmed.

Tx. I guess it was a slip of the pen that BK wrote &quot;an absolute motion&quot;. (For dummies like me he should have written &quot;an absolute majority of the 150 members eligible to vote.&quot;)

I see that Abbott is claiming the three independents were supporting his no confidence in the government however I think that is extremely unlikely, especially in the case of Tony Windsor who has given many interviews in the past 48 hours. I am absolutely certain he would have used the actual vote to support the PM; and equally that he retains an abiding dislike and distrust of Abbott.

However, this won&#039;t stop every paper--including Fairfax and News, and of course the ABC which these days just mirrors whatever is on the front page of the Australian-- repeating this untruth/speculation. I can only hope the independents get interviewed soon and clarify.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>paddy &amp; Achmed.</p>
<p>Tx. I guess it was a slip of the pen that BK wrote &#8220;an absolute motion&#8221;. (For dummies like me he should have written &#8220;an absolute majority of the 150 members eligible to vote.&#8221;)</p>
<p>I see that Abbott is claiming the three independents were supporting his no confidence in the government however I think that is extremely unlikely, especially in the case of Tony Windsor who has given many interviews in the past 48 hours. I am absolutely certain he would have used the actual vote to support the PM; and equally that he retains an abiding dislike and distrust of Abbott.</p>
<p>However, this won&#8217;t stop every paper&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;including Fairfax and News, and of course the ABC which these days just mirrors whatever is on the front page of the Australian&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;repeating this untruth/speculation. I can only hope the independents get interviewed soon and clarify.</p>
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		<title>By: Andybob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andybob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 07:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect yours may be the only commendation Simon gets today Achmed. The next poll result for the ALP might have a 2 in front of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect yours may be the only commendation Simon gets today Achmed. The next poll result for the ALP might have a 2 in front of it.</p>
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		<title>By: negativegearmiddleclasswelfarenow.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>negativegearmiddleclasswelfarenow.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 06:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest mistake of alp in recent times was to elect Rudd party leader in the first place. He is way down in the communication stakes when compared hawke or keating.
Rudd&#039;s primary school teachers, in this day and age, would have had him assessed for asbergers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest mistake of alp in recent times was to elect Rudd party leader in the first place. He is way down in the communication stakes when compared hawke or keating.<br />
Rudd&#8217;s primary school teachers, in this day and age, would have had him assessed for asbergers.</p>
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		<title>By: Achmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Achmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 06:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any leadership speculation by the MSM can now stop. Rudd stuck by his word, something he has being telling the media for ages - he would not run for the leadership. Crean brought al this to a head with his actions and I commend him for that.
Abbott is now ranting the &quot;experiment&quot; of a minoity govt has failed. So I now expect that if he finds himself in a moniroty govt situation he will call a second election immediately - yeah right!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any leadership speculation by the MSM can now stop. Rudd stuck by his word, something he has being telling the media for ages - he would not run for the leadership. Crean brought al this to a head with his actions and I commend him for that.<br />
Abbott is now ranting the &#8220;experiment&#8221; of a minoity govt has failed. So I now expect that if he finds himself in a moniroty govt situation he will call a second election immediately - yeah right!!</p>
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		<title>By: Achmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Achmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 06:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael r james- because under the Rules of parliament an &quot;absolute&quot; majority is needed to win a motion.  That requires 76 votes in a 150 seat Parliament.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael r james- because under the Rules of parliament an &#8220;absolute&#8221; majority is needed to win a motion.  That requires 76 votes in a 150 seat Parliament.</p>
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		<title>By: paddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>paddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 06:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M r J
Absolute Majority. 
More than half the total votes of all those eligible to vote; in a house of Parliament, one more than half the votes of the total number of members of the house, whether they are present or not, as opposed to a simple majority.

Note: There are 150 members in the HOR Therefore, 76 votes are required for an absolute majority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M r J<br />
Absolute Majority.<br />
More than half the total votes of all those eligible to vote; in a house of Parliament, one more than half the votes of the total number of members of the house, whether they are present or not, as opposed to a simple majority.</p>
<p>Note: There are 150 members in the HOR Therefore, 76 votes are required for an absolute majority.</p>
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		<title>By: michael r james</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael r james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 06:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BK wrote: 
[There were 73 votes to suspend standing orders to hold the no-confidence motion, 71 against; the motion required an absolute motion to get up, so failed. 
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Worth noting that key independents Andrew Wilkie, Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor voted “yes”. Does this bode ill for whoever wins the leadership ballot? Would the independents push them to a swift election?]

I am feeling deeply mathematically/constitutionally challenged so if anyone can help, please .... Why did the 73 to 71 vote not succeed? What is an &quot;absolute motion&quot; in words that mean something to me? (Obviously not &quot;absolute majority&quot; which it was.)

On BK&#039;s second point, Shirley it means that those independents simply wanted the opportunity to demonstrate their support of Gillard in the eventual confidence vote. As to their attitude to an election, who knows. As moot as it is, one can also note that Katter has said he would consider joining Labor if Rudd became PM.</description>
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<blockquote><p>There were 73 votes to suspend standing orders to hold the no-confidence motion, 71 against; the motion required an absolute motion to get up, so failed.<br />
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Worth noting that key independents Andrew Wilkie, Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor voted “yes”. Does this bode ill for whoever wins the leadership ballot? Would the independents push them to a swift election?</p></blockquote>
<p>I am feeling deeply mathematically/constitutionally challenged so if anyone can help, please &#8230;. Why did the 73 to 71 vote not succeed? What is an &#8220;absolute motion&#8221; in words that mean something to me? (Obviously not &#8220;absolute majority&#8221; which it was.)</p>
<p>On BK&#8217;s second point, Shirley it means that those independents simply wanted the opportunity to demonstrate their support of Gillard in the eventual confidence vote. As to their attitude to an election, who knows. As moot as it is, one can also note that Katter has said he would consider joining Labor if Rudd became PM.</p>
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		<title>By: Andybob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andybob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 06:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This mob makes the Rosedale Hysterical Society look like a well organized united front.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This mob makes the Rosedale Hysterical Society look like a well organized united front.</p>
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