Labor leadership — it’s not just about September 14
But everyone eyeing the leadership has this in common — they need Labor to perform well enough in September to be a threat at the following election, and in particular they need the Coalition to miss out on control of the Senate, giving Labor the option of forcing a double dissolution election on the carbon scheme. That could mean trying to ensure the Greens hang on in WA and pick up a Senate spot in Victoria and NSW.
Or Gillard can lead Labor to an unlikely but not impossible victory, which would confound everyone, not just aspirants for her leadership.
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anti-abortion Katter Party Senator John Madigan
Dude, wait what? When did Madigan abandon the DLP for the Mad Katters?
by Matt on Mar 12, 2013 at 1:13 pm
I should of taken the advice of the first sentence, what a waste of time. Anyone would think that this article is from the Australian where the Newspoll prevented them from running the story they wanted so the switched it to the “ALP would win under Rudd” despite the fact that poll they are using to make that case is almost certainly skewed by mischief making Liberal voters.
by Jimmy on Mar 12, 2013 at 1:14 pm
Bernard,
Abbott has not suprised me in how he has conducted himself as opposition leader. He is as bad as I expected.
What has surprised and disappointed me is the inability of the govt to gets its message accross which has been exacerbated by the pro Abbott media bias and his ability to escape rational media scrutiny. It is almost asif when Abbot ( or his dog whistlers) makes one of their terrible gaffs or statements that they are excuse because what else would we expect.
Abetz recent associatopn of asylum seekers with paedophiles is just the latest and yet where was the media outcry? I was waiting for some one with the guts to point out that children were more likely to be molested by RC priest than an asylum seeker
On the rare occaision he has been pressed he has panicked and completely demonstrated his unfitness for office (Sh*t Happens, Jet Lag, BHP/Sales inerview are cases in point)
This inability to handle pressure is allowed to go unchecked
It amazes me that a govt wrunning a strong economy, with low unemployment, low rates & growing productivity is somehow to be painted as incompetent and in crisis.
This is the great amazament and the logical disconnect that surprises me
by The Pav on Mar 12, 2013 at 1:17 pm
Labor Leadershit. It’s just not interesting anymore.
But Abbott PM, now there’s virgin journalistic territory.
Who said the age of discovery is over!
Give it a good Captain Cook, Bernie!
The great southern alternative PM is Terra Incognito for the Palace Eunuchs, or not?
Apparently, this unknown event is going to be discovered after September.
It is all going to be a great surprise, this Abbott Leadership.
But it is there somewhere just waiting to be discovered, just like The Great Southern Land, it just has to exist, you know, as a “balance” to the Labor Leadershit Saga.
The MSM have been sailing in circles for the last three years trying to find something better than Abbott PM.
If the voters knew what Abbottland is really like would they want to live there?
You have a job to do Bernard, tell the ugly truth about Abbottland.
It may end up as a penal colony that no-one wants to live in, and voters arn’t criminals, voters deserve to know what their choices are.
So leave the Labor Leadershit alone, (it has been ingested and shat out and reingested endlessly and lost all its nutrients), and get on with your job.
Tell us about Abbottland Bernard!
by Hamis Hill on Mar 12, 2013 at 1:33 pm
Bernard, there’s that word “toxic” again, all be it used in reference to the libs this time (rare). It really is beneath your writing skills to use it. I’m throwing up a challenge, try another word. How about the liberal brand is pestilential!
by mikehilliard on Mar 12, 2013 at 2:10 pm
No, even better. The liberal brand is pernicious.
by mikehilliard on Mar 12, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Nah, I reckon Rudd is aiming to be the next GG. Onto bigger and better things for him. After all, he meets all the criteria for ex-pollies: badly done by, but loved by all (lol); and, as an added bonus, he’s an egotist. He’s a shoo-in! Who knows, maybe he’s done a deal with Abbott. Remember, this is a man who has no qualms about constantly leaking against his own party.
by Julia on Mar 12, 2013 at 2:14 pm
Let it die Bernard - K Rudd will not lead the Federal ALP. Instead of living in your fantasy world, how about you come outisde and start discussing policy, facts & evidence.
by Stephen Paul on Mar 12, 2013 at 2:40 pm
Some simple advice for Kevin and Julia. Kiss and make up, and become the power couple/dream team/diumvirate that you should have been right from start.
by Iskandar on Mar 12, 2013 at 2:57 pm
Thanks for the early warning, Bernard. Unlike Jimmy @1.14pm, I took heed.
by zut alors on Mar 12, 2013 at 2:59 pm
Yes, leave the Labor leadership alone Bernard. It is a beat up by MSM to make any ALP leader look bad. Some even seem to be channelling wish fulfilment by some factions among those who lead our economy that the ALP woill committ early suicide by replacing Gillard with Rudd, so that we won’t have the carbon tax (last year’s fuss and bother), or we won’t have another Labor budget. Very wearying. Policy would be better if only the Coalition would let us have a more than last minute look at theirs.
by Hunt Ian on Mar 12, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Hamis you make my day almost every time, sussing out the lie of the land in a pithy paragraph. Saves my sanity.
by Salamander on Mar 12, 2013 at 4:01 pm
I find it strange that Labor won’t step up to the plate with the Climate Change catastrophe that faces us.
They are at least doing something, albeit a 5% reduction by 2020 is nothing if we continue to grow our economy and population, but at least they are in there with a start. Abbott placating Queenslanders with “It is only a 1:200 year event, when one place has been flooded 5 times in the last year or so, is ridiculous.
Why try to rescind something (The Carbon Tax)that has acceptance for something that is guaranteed, like privatisation, to cost more and be less effective?
Then the only thing wrong with the mining tax is that it was not levied last century - and Abbott wants to give the miners even more. 80% of their wealth goes over seas.
Labor has done us well, it is just Murdock,shock jocks and the public’s willingness to be fleeced that allows Abbott and his drugies such a, almost without question, free rein.
by K.D. Afford on Mar 12, 2013 at 4:03 pm
I hope Julia sticks it out (although she certainly has to raise her game) but it’s not just a choice between her and Joe 90, sorry Kevin Rudd. It’s not straightforward, of course, but Bob Carr would make an excellent alternative.
by Paul Byard on Mar 12, 2013 at 5:02 pm
Let’s consider a few recent Abbott statements:
“Pay back the debt” is one of mantras. However, he has said that as a leader of government, he would model himself on Colin Barnett, who quintupled Western Australia’s debt and stands by it because it provided vital infrastructure. Fair enough too.
Then, last week, the Liberal party dumped a first-term premier in exactly the same circumstances that Labor dumped Rudd, yet Abbott sees no comparison between the two.
Abbott’s subtext is clear: It’s okay when we do it.
I mention this because, while it’s an interesting intellectual exercise to consider what might happen if Abbott kept his promise of a double dissolution, it’s a little on the quaint side to think he actually would. Sure, it would be a broken promise, but it’s okay when the Libs do it.
by Bill on Mar 12, 2013 at 5:23 pm
This is a very perceptive piece - well done Bernard again.
It is interesting that the press attack on Gillard is only about leadership whereas ignoring her policy development fully. Gillard is facing the problem of her gender, manifest when women reach positions of power from time immemorial. The excellent BBC program of the English Queens was a clear and the way that Elizabeth the first met the challenge was to encourage a secular society, to be unmarried and to lead from the front ( in armour and on a white charger ) when threat of invasion presented itself. - a warrior queen. History has treated Elizabeth 1 well ( Good Queen Bess) rather than he much maligned sister Bloody Mary. After removing Rudd she did try appeasement its Rudd who continued the threat and called for the spill in Feb 2012. Irrespective of what happens in September Rudd is a non contender. His article in the US Foreign Affairs Journal suggests his future is seen as a conduit in Sino/US relations- may be even the next Secretary General of the UN. Rudd has abandoned Australian politics - remains as a thorn in Gillard’s side, but his sights are set elsewhere on the global stage. F
by tonyfunnywalker on Mar 12, 2013 at 6:58 pm
I dunno whats going on.
I keep trying to get into Crikey on my computer but I’m arriving at The Daily Telegraph [or maybe its the Herald Sun, could be the OO, perhaps a Fairfax site?] instead.
by fredex on Mar 12, 2013 at 7:14 pm
I find it interesting that the Australian runs a poll so often and that news outfits lead with it as a way of driving destabilisation.
Julia Gillard is remarkable in the face of the ongoing attacks which occur whatever success she may have. The disconnect between the MSM and the public becomes ever wider. There must be those in the media saying we gave every kind of ridicule against the PM last week and yet she has increased in liking. What has gone wrong?
She should go the way of Beppe Grillo and ignore mainstream media and work the internet and other mediums in every way she can. As long as the MSM can push their agenda there will be no fair appraisal of her or of Tony Abbott.
Your article Bernard has put the frighteners on me of what could happen if the loony right wing gain strength in the parliaments.
by Tom Jones on Mar 12, 2013 at 7:45 pm
Bernard, yes we live in strange times.
Labor know they will get thrashed if Gillard is PM on election day. Rudd knows he will lose too and wont risk his fragile ego on trying. Shorten and Combet are the same, they dont want to destroy future chances.
They may try an expendable like Crean etc
They may do nothing and rebuild with what is left
Either way they are in Opposition for a very long time.
We were polled recently, some Uni student, who know what he recorded down.
Jimmy, Labor are finished mate, enjoy while it lasts.
and the Greens will get paired back as well
by Suzanne Blake on Mar 12, 2013 at 9:38 pm
John Madigan is part of the DLP, not the Katter Party.
by Andrew on Mar 12, 2013 at 9:48 pm
SB - I am still waiting on the 5 reasons to vote for Abbott (not vote Gillard out) that I requested months ago!
And “Either way they are in Opposition for a very long time.” That’s what they said after the Libs lost in 2007. I Abbott does get in the prospect of a terrible govt that actually causes a recession is quite high so he might only last a term (or less if he goes to a double dissolution).
And yes I will enjoy it while it lasts, a govt bringing in the NDIS, Gonski, tackling climate change and keeping an economy strong, if Abbott does come in these could well be referred to as golden days.
by Jimmy on Mar 13, 2013 at 9:01 am
Jimmy,
I see the odious & dishonest SB is back.
She doesn’t know the difference between “paired” & “pared” either.
You could ask her how many ALP govts have been labelled “profligate” compared to hao many Lieberal govts
Or Why does Abbott have to hide behind the skirts of his daughters, wife & Chief of Staff.
BTW the Libs were belted back in 2007 so getting nearly wiped out is nothing new for either party
I’m still waiting for how an explanation as to how a govt that maintains growth in the worst economic crisis since 1929, improvs productivity,has low rates and low inflatrion while achiving one of the most successful legislative programs along with huige infrastructure programs can be labled by anybody with any reasoning ability as anything but successful
by The Pav on Mar 13, 2013 at 9:57 am
The Pav - DOn’t you realise a govt should increase spending on Schools & Hospitals, cut taxes, increase pensions & middle class welfare and always have a surplus.
by Jimmy on Mar 13, 2013 at 10:15 am
Jimmy,
Please some accuracy!!!
If you’re going to increase spending on schools make sure its to the rich ones and get the ration right. 70% of the funds to 30% of the students
And what’s wrong with middle calss welfare. I mean when FTB A & B were introduced ( remember how long ago that was) I was earning $120,000 - plus virtually free housing, a free car & free phone & papres and internet pa ( gawd knows what that is in todays money) but that paragon of financial rectictude ( perhaps (wreckittude?) forced.yes forced another $7,500 of taxpayer money on me with a system that cost more to operate than it distributed.
It was about then I started checking on Howards real finacial credenbtials and the scales fell from my eyes.
Anyway he always found a good use for the money such as supporting his brother’s company so his brother wasn’t done for trading while insolvent or have wars for nonexistant WMD’s or wasting billions of off shore processing or……the list is endless
by The Pav on Mar 13, 2013 at 10:23 am
The PAv - This is exactly what I don’t understand about why “the battlers” would support Abbott.
He plans to cut the education rebate and low income super payment and roll back the means testing of the family Tax benefit and Private Health insurance. So basically take form the poor and give to the middle class.
Add to that his ridiculously generous paid parental leave, his opposing of Gonski, the fact he wants to give tax payer money to big business under his direct action plan rather than make the business pay the govt plus the constant rumblings about IR reform and you have plenty of evidence that an Abbott govt is not going to be of benefit to the battler, yet Gillard supposedly told a fib (even though she actually didn’t) so they’ll all vote for Abbott.
by Jimmy on Mar 13, 2013 at 10:47 am
Jimmy,
That’s Abbotts genius .he’s the real “spin meister” and professional politican yet Gillard is the one accused of this.
At the risk of breaking Godwin’s Law I think Goebbels had a theory about “truth” didn’t he?
Abbot & News Ltd certainly seem to have grasped it
by The Pav on Mar 13, 2013 at 11:15 am
@ Jimmy
I dont believe you will ever vote for anything BUT Labor. Whereas I have been a genuine swinging voter all my life. Now I will never vote Labor again with what I have seen in NSW and now Federally.
You want a reason to not vote Labor. Broken promises, Massive debt that will take decades to repay, cost of living, business confidence setbacks, corruption, incompetence, failed Treasury / Budget process versus outcomes, and plenty more
by Suzanne Blake on Mar 13, 2013 at 11:24 am
True Pav - The issue is we will all pay for it.
by Jimmy on Mar 13, 2013 at 11:26 am
Thanks to idiots like SB
by The Pav on Mar 13, 2013 at 11:31 am
SB I turned 18 in 1993 and voted liberal all the way up to 2001.
And I specifically asked for a reason to vote FOR Abbott as opposed to AGAINST the ALP. If you constantly vote against things you will always be disappointed with what you get.
As for you reasons- Broken Promises - Are the ALP the first to do this? HOward had his non core promises, Abbott has said you can’t trust what he says unless it is prepared. And putting a price on carbon isn’t actually a broken promise.
Massive Debt - It isn’t massive and was completely necessary - we would be in a recession without it.
COst of living - Wages growth has been outstripping Inflation for the whole time the ALP has been in power, income taxes are lower, pensions higher, interest rates lower where is the evidence of cost of living pressures?
Business confidence set backs - Please explain, what has the govt doen to impact business confidence? And do you think business confidence surveys might be impacted more by Overseas factors?
Corruption - Where in the Federal govt has this happened and how is it exclusively a ALP issue (see current Victorian Liberal issues)
Incompetence - Where?
Failed TReasury/Budget process versus outcomes - Have a look at how accurate Costello’s budgets were to outcomes - and that was in a much more stable environment.
I await your reason to vote FOR Abbott!
by Jimmy on Mar 13, 2013 at 2:55 pm
Jimmy,
Good luck trying to reason with SB……You’d have more joy trying to teach a pig to dance.
She sure got me laughing with that genuine swinging line.
The only genuine thing about SB is how she plagarises unashamedly ( Makes J Bishop look like an amateur)is such totally dishonest. irrational and unable to run a reasoned argument.
by The Pav on Mar 13, 2013 at 3:03 pm
Jimmy, you’re right to ponder how Abbott is doing so well among those who would be worst off under his… um… let’s be kind and call them policies.
The answer is that the current crop of Liberals have been taking lessons from tea party Republicans in the US. (Literally! Cory Bernardi did training with them) They paint the other sides not as worthy opponents but as enemies of the people. Then they paint themselves as being different to these horrible people. The difference is never defined and they never actually state their own case, but because it’s an easy story for the media, it gains traction with those who don’t have the time or inclination to think things through a bit.
It’s easy to blame the media, and the media should take its share of blame, but the truth is the Libs are good at giving them easy stories that don’t require a lot of thinking and Labor, despite their policy superiority, are not. It’s sad.
by Bill on Mar 13, 2013 at 3:06 pm
Now the Pav I think you are being unfair on SB, I think she could well be a swinging voter, just that she constantly votes govt’s out with no thought as to what she is voting in, which then means after a few short months of satisfaction of dumping a govt that was deemed to be the cause of all her problems she starts to realise that not only are her problems still unfixed (because they either can’t be fixed or not in the best interests of the country to be fixed) this new govt is doing stuff she doesn’t like.
She then becomes outraged because she feels duped and slams the new govt with the zeal of the convert.
I used to have a very good friend who was dead against Howard, now he is dead against Gillard and when we used to talk he simply regurgitated Blot and McCrant. He felt duped by the carbon price because he didn’t bel ieve in climate change but still doesn’t see that in voting for the ALP he voted for a party that had putting a price on carbon in it’s policy platform and that if he votes for Abbott they will still have the same carbon reduction target just use a far more expensive and less effective means of achieving it.
I think SB is such a person, hence even when asked specifically not to provide a list of reasons to vote the ALP out she does just that.
by Jimmy on Mar 13, 2013 at 3:14 pm
Bill - You are right - hence the discussion on Abbott’s impact on the level of personal attacks on Gillard.
by Jimmy on Mar 13, 2013 at 3:16 pm
Jimmy,
Obviously Jimmy is short fot St James, I mean your comments/excuse for TOSB are so “saintly”
I think the only way TOSB would be a swinging voter would be if she was a donley vote
Anything more elaborate would be beyond her capacity
You point about voting against is valid. Such voters allow oppositions to become”small targets” which is the strategy that Abbott is now following. Made easier by hiding behind his daughters, wife & CoS
It is also a voting mind set that led to Rudd saying he was a fiscal conservative which genesis of the the Swan/Gillard commitment to a surplus for political reasons not economic.
In WA McGowan ran a constructive campaign as opposed to small target and fear ( the Cost of Living issue was a thing the Barnett Govt could have been belted with and the Liberal strategists were afraid of it)
But he didn’t and was punished for it. It seems the lesson the WA voters wanted to send is be negative. McGowan still wouldn’t have won but it could have been closer.
by The Pav on Mar 13, 2013 at 3:23 pm
Those Cost of Living pressures must really be biting hard;
“The Westpac - Melbourne Institute Index of Consumer Sentiment backed up a 7.7 per cent surge in February with a 2 per cent rise in March, to reach an index level of 110.5.
A reading of more than 100 indicates that optimists outnumber pessimists, and this month marks the fifth in a row where that has been the case”
by Jimmy on Mar 13, 2013 at 4:07 pm
@ Jimmy and the pav. Agree with +++ may I suggest? First rule, don’t respond to irrationality/cognitive dissonance. this condition cannot be rectified by rationale and facts or a cup of tea and nice laydown. This may only be controlled by regular administration of major psycho-trophic drugs and inpatient psychotherapy.
by GF50 on Mar 13, 2013 at 6:48 pm
@ Jimmy McTernan
The Labor comments on Abbott have been worse, misogynist, sexist and Combet said “the biggest bullshit artist in Canberra”
Then you have worse, Labor’s comments on Kevin Rudd
Then you have McTernan, 40 F words in one phone call to a journo he was not hapy with
need I go on
by Suzanne Blake on Mar 13, 2013 at 7:03 pm
@ Jimmy
Comment:
reason to vote FOR Abbott
- no corruption
- we need to rise business and consumer confidence
- less lies and spin
- honest about his family and relationships
- no fraud investigation pending
On promise, walk around and ask people Howard v Rudd/Gillard on promises, please.
Massive Debt - It isn’t massive and was completely necessary - we would be in a recession without it.
Bollocks, the billions wasted, the extraa billions wasted on illegal boat people
Business confidence set backs - Please explain, what has the govt doen to impact business confidence? And do you think business confidence surveys might be impacted more by Overseas factors?
Nope, I know, its no confidence in what government will do next
Corruption - Where in the Federal govt has this happened and how is it exclusively a ALP issue (see current Victorian Liberal issues)
AWU, HSU
Incompetence - Where? everywhere. especially Swan, has not hit ONE budget forcast, not even close, always 100% off or more.
I await your reason to vote FOR Abbott!
cant be worse than Gillard and Rudd, and the sham front bench
Emerson
Bradbury
Albanese
Swan
Ludwig
Conroy
by Suzanne Blake on Mar 13, 2013 at 7:11 pm
@ Jimmy
Additionally, Australia’s $265 billion public debt has grown over 150% since Labor came to power– third only to Iceland and Ireland.
Another wonderful Swan achievement….
by Suzanne Blake on Mar 13, 2013 at 10:00 pm
Annoying as they are, you can never get rid of every buzzing blow fly because no matter how hard you try there is always something dead somewhere that hasn’t been properly buried.
One credible explanation for Suzanne, but imagine what it is like at the source; among the ranks of the walking dead that is the conservative opposition.
No wonder the Canberra press gallery fears to approach within running distance.
A foretaste of the “Abbott Anarchy” (Laissez Faire in the French) to come, cleary so wonderful for business, large and small.
Australia, the nation of gamblers, stampeding over a fiscal cliff to guaranteed recession; what are the odds of survival? Book makers take the bet, what are the odds of an Abbott Recession?
Come on Punters, what have you got to lose apart from the most successful national government in the developed world?
Better to be represented by second rate losers, the business world “B” team of unemployable shonks; come on, verify your cultural cringe by voting for Abbott, plunge your country into recession and prove to the world what losers you really are.
But isn’t that Suzie’s Siren Song, leave your senses and go to embrace your doom.
Such is the harvest of conservative neglect of education, deliberately sown and sought after.
Who said dumbing down does not work, we’re seeing it in action.
by Hamis Hill on Mar 13, 2013 at 10:05 pm
SB - “Additionally, Australia’s $265 billion public debt has grown over 150% since Labor came to power– third only to Iceland and Ireland.
Another wonderful Swan achievement….”
Yes it was a wonderful achievement, keeping the country out of recession.
by Jimmy on Mar 14, 2013 at 8:57 am
SB - They aren’t reasons to vote for someone, they are reasons not to vote for someone else.
A reason to vote for someone shouldn’t have the words “no” or “less” it it, they should be positive things.
As for the one point that was positive - “- we need to rise business and consumer confidence” How much higher do you want consumer confidence to be, it is sitting at 110 now.
Please outline these “billion” wasted? The Howard govt has been found out by the IMF as the most profligate govt in the last 200 years, this govt got big ticks.
Your point about business confidence is clearly rubbish.
The AWU & HSU aren’t in the govt, they are Unions and the AWU issue was over 20 years ago!
How many budget forecasts did Costello hit?
Have a look at the Liberal front bench - it is clearly worse.
I still look forward to the reasons to vote FOR Abbott!
by Jimmy on Mar 14, 2013 at 9:06 am
@ Jimmy
Kept Australia out of Recession, is that your only excue for gross waste and incompetence.
How many decades to pay it back do you think? 2030, 2040 or longer? How many recessions between now and then?
by Suzanne Blake on Mar 14, 2013 at 9:06 am
Okay, let’s give a little credit where due:
Love him or hate him, the Liberals have one of the finest economic minds in the country in the form of Malcolm Turnbull.
But rather than put him in his natural portfolio of treasury, Abbott has hidden him away in communications. Why? Because Turnbull threatens Abbott. Instead, we face the possibility of Treasurer Joe Hockey. Nice bloke but barely numerate. Is this the Liberals’ idea of responsible leadership?
With Tony Abbott, politics trumps policy every time.
by Bill on Mar 14, 2013 at 9:37 am
Jummy,
Still trying the teach the pig to dance I see.
I means you could point out that that hot bed of socialist propaganda the ANZ has a chief economist, Justin Fabo, who said in October 2012, “there was little good reason why the government should not take advantage of historically low yields on government securities to fill Australia’s infrastructure gap.”
Infrastructure gap that the profligate Howard & Costello created.
I mean in recent years Australian government debt has seen an increase in demand as faith is lost in European and US government debt. Reserve managers see Australia as a safe haven for investment.
I mean all those left leaning fund managers regards Australia as a safe haven. I guess this means they seen Gillard govt as competent , able and stable
Obviously they are all wrong and we should actually listen to the dememted ravings of SB.
I mean a profligate and wasteful Howard who leaves a vast infra structure deficit, does nothing about providing a communication structyre that allows us to move into the 21st centiry ( despite have the financila resources and polotical position)so that we can sink into the mire of feuedal serfdom of a riven and racist society it a much better outcome.
Perhaps SB who has trouble with words doesn’t understand the meanings of them and gets them the wrong way round
by The Pav on Mar 14, 2013 at 12:26 pm
Two more things Jimmy,
One. Sorry about my typo’s
Two. Check any stat that SB puts up……They’re invariably wrong or misapplied
As the saying goes.SB uses stats like a drunk uses a lamp post….For support not illumination
by The Pav on Mar 14, 2013 at 12:29 pm
Bill,
Turnbull has a business mind and I certainly acknowledge that.
The problem with that is govt requires a different world view and as I have moved between the sectors it has been this that I have struggled with most.
Never the less I do accept that Turnball would represent an improvement and a threat and your comment that politics trumps all is correct.
by The Pav on Mar 14, 2013 at 12:33 pm
Jimmy,
Just thinking about SB & illumination.
Perhaps the example we can use is light & black holes.
Light enters a black hole and never comes out.
Information enters SB’s mind and logic never comes out
by The Pav on Mar 14, 2013 at 12:35 pm
If we want to talk about a party in crisis I suggest the L?NP is the one with leadership issues.
NT…..the CHM goes overseas and is deposed….Just like a banana republic and didn;’t even have the guts to do it face to face
Vic…..Dump the Premier and instal a previously failed leader. Perhaps this is the Libs green policy on recycling.
Qld…Going through cabinet ministers
SA…..Can’t find an effective leader…Not even Downer would take the job they’re so crap
Can’t wait to see what will happen in NSW and in the west the emperor reigns supreme
by The Pav on Mar 14, 2013 at 12:42 pm