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Our sordid triangle of xenophobia over 457 visas

Labor’s exploitation of the 457 visa issues is just part of an attempt by all three parties to exploit immigration fears. Politicians are accusing each other of being soft, as the immigration debate plumbs new depths.

If you’re going to play in the space of bigotry and xenophobia, it’s best to come prepared. At a media conference yesterday, Immigration Minister Brendan O’Connor struggled to explain exactly how the 457 visa category was being rorted. He offered a couple of anecdotes, and said there’d been over 100 sanctions under the program.

That’s a program that currently sees around 100,000 visa holders at any one time. Even the numerically challenged can see that’s one case in a thousand, and probably far less, assuming O’Connor was using a total rather than an annual figure.

The 457 visa category is indeed rorted — all categories are misused. But it’s likely to be one of the least rorted, because it’s so expensive to locate and bring over foreign workers. And, yes, there are unscrupulous employers who exploit 457 visa holders, something that trade unions and Labor figures like Doug Cameron are justifiably concerned to prevent. But there are unscrupulous employers who exploit workers of all kinds and will exploit employees with poor English, or who need a visa to stay in the country, more than others. There are even unscrupulous employees who exploit their employers. That’s people. That’s why there are laws to prevent and discourage and punish it.

It’s less than a year since the Prime Minister professed surprise that Ministers Chris Bowen and Martin Ferguson had implemented cabinet-agreed policy on Enterprise Migration Agreements to allow Gina Rinehart to bring in workers for a WA mining project, to the fury of unions and the amazement of senior Labor figures who were astonished at how the government could turn what should have been a good news story into yet another self-inflicted wound.

Now Bowen’s successor is leading the charge against 457s. All policy coherence has been chucked aside in favour of election strategies.

More to the point, as LBJ remarked, don’t get into a p-ssing contest with a polecat. If you’re trying to out-xenophobe someone like Scott Morrison, a foul grub who feels no shame at claiming asylum seekers bring in typhoid, complains about relatives attending the funeral of victims of a boat tragedy and compares asylum seekers to the worst types of criminals, you’re wasting your time. If anything, it merely further embeds xenophobia in the political agenda, an issue that the Coalition will always more successfully exploit than Labor.

Still, it targets a segment of voters that Labor hasn’t paid much attention to for a decade, conservative blue-collar voters who have struggled in the post-reform economy, the sort who were attracted to One Nation and to John Howard’s social conservatism and demonisation of asylum seekers. Labor’s pitch is simple: even if you think we’re softer on asylum seekers than the Coalition, at least we’ll make sure a foreigner won’t take your job.

For the party that oversaw the industry policy reforms of the late ’80s and ’90s, which were all about sending manufacturing jobs overseas because we were no longer prepared to subsidise them, it’s quite an irony.

Not that the Coalition, when it’s not beating up on brown people, doesn’t have its own contradictions. Tony Abbott and Morrison devoted much of the 2010 election campaign to assuring voters they were going to reduce immigration, and vowed to slash net immigration to 170,000 a year (that came a cropper almost immediately at the press conference to announce the policy, when a journalist pointed out that projections indicated immigration was set to fall below 150,000 anyway). Abbott lauds 457 visa holders, football-transfer style, as people who are “joining the team and they’re making a contribution from day one”, in contrast to the way “the government is tolerating people coming to this country and going on welfare”.

Even with the government’s increase in humanitarian visas to 20,000, they are still a fractional contribution to our overall immigration intake compared to the 100,000 457 visa holders here every year.

But contradictions abound when you’re trying to exploit community fears about immigration. Especially when both parties are led by migrants whose families were economic refugees from the UK.

Then of course there are the Greens, who profess deep anger at any obstacles placed in the way of asylum seekers reaching Australia, but who have an abiding concern about skilled migration. Earlier this week, MP Adam Bandt attacked the Prime Minister’s comments on 457 visas as “hollow”, “a show” and “window dressing.” Only the Greens could be relied on to properly crack down on 457 visas by requiring proper labour market testing first. “The tough talk hides some big loopholes,” Bandt complained.

Thus we have a sordid triangle in which each party accuses the other of being soft on some particular brand of foreigner.

At least the 2010 debate, such as it was, over “big” versus “little” Australia had some coherence as a contrast of world views and visions of what sort of Australia we should be in coming decades. Remarkably, we’ve already plumbed new depths on immigration in 2013. Who’d have thought we’d be looking back at 2010 as a relatively high point of informed political discussion …

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  • 1
    Jimmy
    Posted Wednesday, 6 March 2013 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    While I am far from convinced about the need to crack down on 457 visas I think the ALP simply hopes to muddy the waters here, turn an area where they are clearly being beaten in the polls by the libs into one where it might turn out to be an attitude of “they are both terrible”.

    Good policy & logical arguments doens’t really metter to the voter who is concerned about the “flood” of immigrants, the just want to be reassured that those evil foreigners won’t ruin their way of life.

    You have to remember these are the same people who think the govt should cuts taxes, increase spending and have a higher surplus.

  • 2
    JMNO
    Posted Wednesday, 6 March 2013 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    I don’t see this the PM trying to exploit xenophobia. I think the PM is on her crusade about jobs and reassuring the westies that they come first. Demographer Peter McDonald (?) was on RN this morning talking about the issue. His view was that Gillard had got the policy right but that the public message was wrong.

  • 3
    john willoughby
    Posted Wednesday, 6 March 2013 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    the 457 debate should be about training young people for jobs..
    this would require some sort of forward planning which has stalled due to privatised
    utilities and the use of FIFO workers (fit in or fuck off )..
    the use of visa workers gives the employer complete control over conditions..
    start comparing real youth unemployment and the use of 457 workers in semi skilled areas..
    my sister recently completed an extension of her house in Perth and the majority of the work was completed by 457 workers (tiling plastering roofing)
    A lot of metal fabrication operations in Perth are completely staffed by 457 workers who work on pay per item..
    the west australian newspaper ran adds for work in the Pilbara with the suggestion that the ability to speak mandarin would be an advantage …

  • 4
    Shakira Hussein
    Posted Wednesday, 6 March 2013 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    The race to the election finish line is a marathon, but the race to the bottom is a very short sprint.

  • 5
    Jimmy
    Posted Wednesday, 6 March 2013 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    JMNO - “His view was that Gillard had got the policy right but that the public message was wrong.” Isn’t that the case with a lot of what this govt does.
    The question is can you blame the govt for the public message or the filter it is presented to the public through.
    The last couple of weeks have been a classic example of numerous colaition contradictions and disasters being glossed over or ignored and trivial perceived govt problems (ie Why won’t the PM wlak the streets of Western Sydney or talk to the nut jobs outside her hotel) are made into national issues.
    One example is how the rolling of Abbott’s preferred ACT candidate at pre-selection, if that was a Gillard back contender it would of been an attack on her authority and evidence of a party in turmoil, but for the libs it harldy got a mention.

  • 6
    geomac62
    Posted Wednesday, 6 March 2013 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    john willoughby
    You have hit on part of the problem , apprentices . Firms that bought our utilities slashed apprenticeship intake , no social imperative . In Victoria recently 457 workers were doing trade work while local tradies had no job so where is the skills shortage requirement ? Those 457 workers were not doing work for a set project lacking skilled workers but working for a labour hire firm . In other words one job in Altona then on to another maybe in Burwood , thats not the condition under which a 457 visa is granted . A rort , plain and simple .

  • 7
    Sam
    Posted Wednesday, 6 March 2013 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    Yes, the 457 rorts crackdown will certainly play well with xenophobes, but unlike Morrison’s behaviour guidelines, there’s more to it than that. It also fits within the age-old Labor theme of Labor protecting Australian workers from being screwed over by dodgy businesses (remember that it’s the businesses, not the foreign workers, who would be most responsible for any rorting that occurs). It’s this aspect, particularly as it stands in contrast to the Coalition stereotype of being business-friendly, that will pull votes on the issue. It’s also why the Greens want a piece of the action, as distrust of business plays well to their progressive supporters.

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    Cloud Atlas
    Posted Wednesday, 6 March 2013 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    John Willoughby, many people say that the current problem is due to the education system which gears towards everyone finishing year 12 education and don’t emphasize on technical trade for those who would never go to university to get a degree. By the time they have completed year 12, the apprenticeship wage is too low for someone at 18 when they can earn better wage working at Maccas or other places. This is a huge disincentive for young people to take up apprenticeship.

    The government needs to recognise that population and starts them on apprenticeship at age 16 in order to keep the skill supply flowing. These tradies can attend university later in life using their trade qualifications and experiences as credits or entry requisites should they desire.

    I don’t think Labor is whipping up xenophobia however. I’ve met quite a few of the foreign workers who are on student visa but their main purpose here is working and work illegally, and low skilled workers whose employers tried to rort the migration system. On the other hand, I do see that many businesses struggle to find reliable Australian workers to do menial jobs especially, so they have to try foreign workers, Australians have the dole as a safety net so they can be quite picky and unreliable.

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    Jimmy
    Posted Wednesday, 6 March 2013 at 3:46 pm | Permalink

    CLoud Atlas - “By the time they have completed year 12, the apprenticeship wage is too low for someone at 18 when they can earn better wage working at Maccas or other places. This is a huge disincentive for young people to take up apprenticeship.” HOw much do you earn at Uni? And given a lot of tradies earn much more than those who go to Uni, especially in their 20’s, I can’t really see the disincentive.

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    john willoughby
    Posted Wednesday, 6 March 2013 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    if people are required for jobs they should be allowed to migrate… the use of 457 visas creates a another class of citizen..
    as Tones opined .. someone to do the shit jobs..

  • 11
    Cloud Atlas
    Posted Wednesday, 6 March 2013 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

    Jim

    This group of people have no interest in going to university, or try then drop out.

    Tradies only get a decent wage when they reach 3rd year apprenticeship. That’s why it is a disincentive. Tradies earn higher wage than before due to the limiting numbers of new tradies entering the work force (labour shortage. The reason that people have told me which I expressed in my previous comment is one reason for it. Another reason that some people told me is education funding and priorities, they said that it was Mr. Howard, I’m not sure why.

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    shepherdmarilyn
    Posted Wednesday, 6 March 2013 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    Why do you have to lie about the Greens? They hate exploitation but having nothing per se against skilled labour.

    Time for the PG to stop lying about that.

    The thing no-one has pointed out to Gillard and Abbott is that they are both frigging foreigners.

  • 13
    Jimmy
    Posted Wednesday, 6 March 2013 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    Cloud Atlas - My point is If you leave school at 18 and go to Uni you sign up for at least 3 years of unpaid learning, you may get Austudy (which I would imagine is lower than 1st year apprentice wages) or you may not, you might have time to work part time or you may not. You also have a lot of non tax deductible expenses and if you live in regional Australia may have to relocate and pay various living expenses. On top of that you leave with a fairly substantial debt which will reduce your future take home pay.
    Contrast that with an apprenticeship and where by your own words you are earning a good income after just 2 years (and more than a uni student from day one), any expenses are tax deductible, after the 4 year apprenticeship you are earning more than a lot of graduates with no Hecs Debt and generally don’t have to move out from your parents to get the job, if there is a disincentive to get a trade there is a definite disincentive to go to uni.

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    Cloud Atlas
    Posted Wednesday, 6 March 2013 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    Jim

    University is for the group of motivated people who want to attain such qualifications, living on Austudy, working part-time and accruing debt are not disincentives for most of them. Some also study because of family pressure when they much prefer to do something else.

    There are people who don’t want to do too much brain work, reading and writing, and they are better at doing trade, physical works. If they can earn better at Maccas and can build a career moving upwards just by working at Maccas, many of them will choose Maccas over apprenticeship. That’s why people say that someone at 16 can be attracted by apprenticeship wage, it’s high for someone at 16 but it is too low for someone at 18. I’m only reporting various observations put forward by other people, matey. I would not know what the right policy should be, it’s all too complicated for me.

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    Posted Wednesday, 6 March 2013 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

    An example of rorting, or at least distortion, might be this… A training company has business development consultants, who sell training to clients (well, they sell Government funding, really). A flashy young Brit walks in and they want to employ him. He has no sales qualification (actually, his only training is in the area of physical education). There was no labour market testing. He was employed as a salesperson - hardly difficult to fill with Australian candidates. But they still got a 457 visa.

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    Jimmy
    Posted Wednesday, 6 March 2013 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    CLoud Atlas - You are making some very big value judgements there.
    Firstly why does it come down to motivation or intelligence? Why do you assume people going to uni are willing to struggle for their learning but apprentices aren’t?
    To me anyone with an ounce of motivation or intelligence will choose some form of qualification. And only those who buy a Macca’s would see any “career” in it.

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    rAnt
    Posted Wednesday, 6 March 2013 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

    OK, if the ALP’s 457 visa assertions are xenophobic, the LNP’s pronouncements are downright racist. While I agree that the 457 visa story may appeal to some at a xenophobic level, I have a real problem with people putting the ALP’s and LNP’s recent statements in the same basket, as if they’re somehow as bad as each other. Morrison and Abbott should have been torn to shreds, but, unsurprisingly, they were slapped with a lettuce leaf and now Gillard’s the one copping the heat. Isn’t Crikey meant to be better than this?

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    Cloud Atlas
    Posted Wednesday, 6 March 2013 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    Jim

    My friend has friends who work for Maccas, they get wage rise over the years, becoming assistant managers then managers. It is a surprise for me too that you can earn good salary and have a career at Maccas.

    Maybe it’s to do with family up bringing which place high value on attaining university education or the prestige of a degree compared to a trade qualification. First generation of migrants especially, have very strong focus on getting university qualifications, their children do exceptionally well. As the second and third generations are more Australianised, they don’t achieve as many high qualifications as the previous generations, the proportion drops off. I did not say all people will not make the sacrifice but higher proportion because people can earn a decent wage in other fairly unskilled labor, only the more passionate in the trade would enter. For young people, who want to live it up now and don’t want to go to university, the higher wage of now is a temptation over planning a career in trade and making sacrifice.

    Nice talking to you Jim, I have to go.

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    billie
    Posted Wednesday, 6 March 2013 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

    I have heard that Victorian power companies employ Philipino inesmen who are trained in the Philipines. They do not follow Australian OH&S and consequently work faster, the wiring might not be right and eventually they might get hurt

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    fractious
    Posted Wednesday, 6 March 2013 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    Bernard

    Then of course there are the Greens, who profess deep anger at any obstacles placed in the way of asylum seekers reaching Australia, but who have an abiding concern about skilled migration

    Call me dense, but I am struggling to see much of a contradiction in that stance. Even if there is one, it certainly is not on the scale of the ALP’s and Coalition’s. As far as I understand it, one of the Greens’ principal principles is to support and promote the training and education of Australians, instead of letting Big Business tell the rest of us who it wants to import to do what jobs it wants done at what rates it wants to pay. This is distinct from the ALP and Coalition who, despite repeated proclamations to the contrary, turn turtle by cutting public tertiary education funding, sanctioning 457 visa workers while crying “Huzza!” when resource extraction companies announce record profits (that mostly go offshore), and crying crocodile tears at the lack of skills shortages.

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    geomac62
    Posted Wednesday, 6 March 2013 at 7:01 pm | Permalink

    Is Joyce on a 457 Visa with Qantas . What about Sol and Telstra ? Curious and probably irrelevant .

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    AR
    Posted Wednesday, 6 March 2013 at 8:43 pm | Permalink

    Shakira, so superbly succinct!
    And Jimmy’s last line is gold You have to remember these are the same people who think the govt should cuts taxes, increase spending and have a higher surplus.

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    mattsui
    Posted Wednesday, 6 March 2013 at 10:54 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know why the Greens bother to get involved in this sort of discussion at all. No doubt Bandt was attempting to make a balanced appraisal of the current situation, while pointing to Greens’ policy on skills training. But the only place it is reported is here and the only reason it is reported is so Bernard has some sort of stick to bash the Greens with.
    Fail all ‘round. The Greens should just shut up now, until August, then remind the electorate that they’re still an option and wait for the votes of the disillusioned (by then, that will be most of us) to come rollin’ in.

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    David Hand
    Posted Wednesday, 6 March 2013 at 11:41 pm | Permalink

    There is absolutely no problem with Australian youth getting Macjobs in fast food outlets. It’s a free country and someone has to do it.

    We can always import needed skills on 457 visas and in fact, government policy is set up to do just that. 457 visas help select the people we need.

    OK so Julia is blowing the dog whistle this week in her search for Western Sydney votes. And she is paying back a debt to the union movement which would like scarecity of trades to drive up wages.

    But the 457 visa system is good policy, it works well and in spite of any electioneering, nothing substntial is going to change. Nor should it.

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    geomac62
    Posted Thursday, 7 March 2013 at 12:37 am | Permalink

    457 visas help select the people we need.
    Yeah , who needs aussie skilled workers ? Saves training apprentices . Any hint of trouble about conditions or wages , ship em out . Pay below basic wage and if they arc up threaten to deport them , remove sponsorship . Those 3 workers from the Philippines off WA coast , three bucks an hour from memory and discovered by accident . 456 business Visa though .
    This is what David by implication endorses .
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-04-27/foreign-rig-workers-paid-3-an-hour/2696974

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    Harry Rogers
    Posted Thursday, 7 March 2013 at 5:02 am | Permalink

    Of course the elephant in the room is we, as human beings, are all biased and the sooner we recognise that in a civilised society the better the debate can become.

    The racism (call it what you want) regarding colour of somebody’s skin particularly black came from isolation and fear of the new. This is nothing to be concerned about as we all take some adjusting to new environments viz. Italian, Greeks , Vietnames in Australia.

    My argument is simply accept this as a normal reaction and then be tolerant and educate. The 457 visa is just another weapon for governments to discrimiate. So why not call it what it is and admit every person and country discriminates fo very good reasons.

    Its not out of mallice, however if you educate a society well they can have rational debates without the fear of being pillored for a genuine natural point of view. Uneducated comments that are subjected to ridicule simply force people “underground”. Debate..debate… and educate.

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    Person Ordinary
    Posted Thursday, 7 March 2013 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    Yes, there may well be a natural distribution of tolerance and xenophobia. But if you can imagine the political spectrum as a bell curve, with pure enlightenment and collective interest at the very Left, and pure ignorance and self interest at the very Right, it is pretty obvious that the curve is artificially and deliberately skewed to the Right, by all the forces that benefit from a less informed public.

    It is possible that, under the weight of all the conditioning from commercial media and commercial culture, we are being denied our natural inclinations, and so denied a functioning democracy.

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    JMNO
    Posted Thursday, 7 March 2013 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    Jimmy re my comments
    Jimmy I agree with you. I wrote the comment quickly because I wanted to make the point straightaway that I don’t think Gillard is being xenophobic. If it is a ‘values’ statement she made it is about class rather than foreigners, that employers should seek Australians for jobs first. She is after all visiting an area of high unemployment - and also an area of high migrant and refugee settlement.
    It struck me that the antipathy Michelle Grattan has for Gillard once again poisons the whole press gallery - she immediately labelled Gillard a xenophobe and the rest of the press gallery followed.

    I agree that everything Gillard does is filtered through a negative prism. The polls are driving the thinking of the media which accepts the polls’ judgement of the government as being an accurate critique of the government’s performance rather than just a perception. It then reinforces this by following the poll perception rather than doing the hard yards and analysing the policy. Negative polls followed by continued negative reporting just reinforce each other.

    As for 457 visas, I have dealt with these in the distant past before they had the 457 label but still had to same role. Most employers use them as they are meant to be used but any time the Government loosens up the criteria in any way, those seeking to exploit the system will do so.

    457 visas can also be used to get around structural problems in an industry instead of solving them. I am thinking nurses here. There is a shortage of nurses here.

    But why? Nurses now do a degree course to qualify, in the case of Melbourne University it is a post-grad course. They then have expectations of being treated in the workplace the same as their fellow degree-students doing other professional courses. Yet when they get into hospitals, they are not treated like professionals, their pay rates and career advancement prospects aren’t good, many doctors still treat them as their lackeys. Why would you stay in these circumstances? So hospitals recruit from overseas rather than dealing with the local reasons for the lack of interest in nursing.

    This is one type of issue that needs to be dealt with to reduce the reliance on 457 visas.

    I still don’t think I have actually seen any reportage of what the policy changes to the 457 actually are, just the media’s usual ‘perception’ response.

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    Hamis Hill
    Posted Thursday, 7 March 2013 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    Are all these facile accusations of racism a form of reverse dog-whistling?
    In this case, higher education and well-being are no antidotes for the poison of prejudice.
    That “class” prejudice supposedly, but not actually, absent from Australia?
    All those aspirations to rise in the social heirarchy require a foot in the face of those below, accompanied by easy accusations of racism?
    Whatever it takes, hypocrits?

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    zac48
    Posted Thursday, 7 March 2013 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    To try and justify the legitimacy of 457 visas when it has been both a well known and well exploited ‘scam’ manipulated by employers and employees alike, is unacceptable. To accuse local Australian workers of being ‘bludgers’ simply because they expect to be paid at a rate of pay that accords with the laws of this country, and what has been determined by legal process, is a shamefull and willing exploitation of the Australian workforce. Bernard Keane, I know several ‘illegal immigrants’ who claim to be qualified and experienced journalists who are happy to take your job for $15 an hour, working under a 457 visa, simply for the opportunity to work in this country with the eventual aim of becoming a legitimate Australian citizen. Don’t you personally like the idea Mr.Keane? I didn’t think so.
    Just to clarify the lies and deceptive ideology of people like Sarah Hanson Young who try to distort reality and treat Australians like naive 10 year old children, let me explain the situation. “These people” can legitimately be called ‘refugees’ when they reach their first country of asylum and protection, but if they arbitrarily choose to continue their travels ‘around the world’ through a 2nd. 3rd. 4th. even 5th. country of ‘asylum’, they are quite rightly, no longer legitimately recognized as asylum seekers but somebody looking for the country of ‘greatest advantage’, thereby putting themselves into the category of illegal immigrants or “country shoppers”. That Hanson Young or anyone else should continue to adamantly demand that “these people” are genuine asylum seekers is outrageously insulting to anyone with an IQ above 70 and it should come as no surprise that she or any of her supporters should be held in contempt by so many Australians. By any measure, these boatloads of fit, healthy young men who buy their way through several country’s of asylum and then before trying to break into this country, across it’s international borders, deliberately destroy all paperwork with the intension of deceiving and treating the Australian people like fools is another deceptive insult. That these fit healthy young men should simply leave the elderly, the sick and invalided, the truly disadvantaged, the women and children behind to fend for themselves while they spend $20,000 to buy their way halfway across the world and easily get into this country and survive at the taxpayers expense, taking the place of genuine refugees who have already spent years waiting in refugee camps is shamefull, and they should justifiably be recognized as cowards, if they were Australian young men they most certainly would be. That only a handfull of illegal 457 visa holders should be put forward as the only people to contravene Australian law and abuse the system is just as spurious as claiming that the small number of people convicted of speeding on our roads represents ‘all’ the drivers who break such laws. That so many illegal immigrants are given a government classification as 457 visa holders and simply released into the Australian community, because there are so many of them the Labor Party is unable to process them all is again a truly deceptive piece of trickery. These young men are simply released into the Australian community without any control or obligation with the only knowledge of their status apparently being known by their fortnightly collection of a centrelink payment. These are less controls, restrictions, obligations or responsibilities placed on any Australian citizen in a similar situation. The 457 visa scam is exactly that. A scam that puts Australians out of work so the government can claim an increase in the country’s productivity because “these people” are prepared to work six or seven days a week, from dawn till dusk, in the mining industry, picking fruit, driving taxis, waiting in restaurants etc, all for ‘half’ the wage expected and demanded by Australian law. The final insult of course is that these fit, healthy young men, many with gold chains around their necks and dressed better than many Australians should ‘escape’ to Australia while Australia sends it’s fit, healthy young men over to their country to fight their wars for them. If that makes me a racist, so be it.

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    dylan3
    Posted Thursday, 7 March 2013 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    What’s all this fuss about Xenophobia?
    The PM wants “Australian Workers”-( by which she means Australian workers of all 125 races living and working in Australia at this time) - to have the first option on jobs in Australia, before “temporary foreign workers ” are brought in under 457 Visas to do those jobs.
    What’s Xenophobic about that?
    I should have thought it was plain common sense.

    What is Xenophobic is the constant harping on “boat People” by Abbott and Morrison- because they ( the boat people) are quite distictively non- white and non- Australian.
    It was Abbott who decided that the words “Australian Workers”- were to exclude “immigrants” - thereby starting the accusraion of Xenophobia.
    Is the media so stupid that they allow a man like Abbott to get away with this type distortion?
    The PM’s policy to ensure that 457 visas are not abused by employers and 457 workers are not brought in when workers already in Australia are available to do the work- is not Xenophobic at all. It makes no racial distinction- nor does it attempt to “demonise”foreigners- as Abbott suggests.

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    David Hand
    Posted Thursday, 7 March 2013 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

    Dylan,
    All the fuss about xenephobia is because Julia made an announcement about it in western Sydney as a dog whistle to voters who don’t like foreign workers and the unions who want scarcity of skilled workers to drive up their wages.

    Yes, Gillard’s views about 457 visas are common sense. They are also current policy. No one has actually commented on what specific changes are to be implemented. That’s because no actual changes have been announced by the government, nor are they likely to be. Maybe we’ll get “457 visa-watch” There will be no significant changes because the current policy works well.

    It’s just another day in Gillard’s campaigning….. errrr…. governing.

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    Sean
    Posted Thursday, 7 March 2013 at 11:08 pm | Permalink

    Bernard, if you look at the most recently published stats on 457 visas you will find that the number of onshore applications for 457 visas has increased sharply in the last couple of years, occurring from the time DIAC was caught out handing out its ‘visas for courses’ for hairdressers and chefs and the like. DIAC at that time promptly disowned all the agents around the world to which they had hitherto been giving the quiet nod and wink. The public exposure killed that little cash cow for the economy and the govt’s secret growth by stealth policy.

    Anyhow, this is how the current onshore 457 visa rort works — since the ‘visas for courses’ system ended, a venal employer simply recruits recent desperate foreign graduates from unis like, say, UTS who have just completed a difficult course in, say, something like programming or telecommunications, and offers to pay them $25K per year for 4 years on a 457 visa, thus undercutting genuine graduate rates in this area at say $60-$75K per year. The desperate graduate was on the verge of being forced to return home on expiry of the student visa, so jumps at the chance of staying in Australia for $25K per year, getting PR at the end of 4 years, then let the good times roll. The employer gets a hard-working employee for 1/3 the market rate and on minimum wage to do a high-tech job. If the employee ever plays up then it’s cancel the 457 visa and back to your home country for you. I know someone who has discovered this new ‘rort’ on an audit.

    It always astonishes me that the govt pretends it somehow has absolutely no control over DIAC? So DIAC internally is somehow setting the country’s foreign relations and immigration policy? Not Kevin Rudd and his ‘big Australia’ and his predecessors and successors who have been too smart to actually say what Rudd said?

    Also, apparently since around 2000 you no longer have to prove there is no Australian alive capable of doing the job you are requesting the visa for, it just gets granted if the person is vaguely qualified.

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    Dogs breakfast
    Posted Tuesday, 12 March 2013 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

    But it’s likely to be one of the least rorted, because it’s so expensive to locate and bring over foreign workers”.

    It’s not so much about bringing over foreign workers, it’s more about the problem of giving jobs to someone who is not a resident who is already here, and then saying that they can’t find anyone in the local population (my employer - 10’s to possibly hundreds)

    Then when they are here and sponsored they were being rorted into the ‘Living Away from Home’ tax concessions. They were bleeding poms taking up largely low skilled local jobs and then getting tax benefits, it was a rort across the board. They were here on a holiday, now they are being sponsored!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Secondly, what bleeding expense, a plane ticket and some removal costs amounting to about 2 months salary? So expensive?

    And finally, as so well pointed out by others, it is a quick fix for the laziest of large employers who have basically abandoned the apprentice model and just want to use other countries trained up staff that we couldn’t have given a toss about to train up ourselves.

    The 457 visa is not just rorted, it is a damned rort, it promotes easy solutions to lazy managers and abnegates them of their responsibility to train up the future workers.

    BHP and the like seeking government favours for their indolence - brilliant public policy.

    You’re wrong on this one Bernard.

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