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	<title>Comments on: The currency wars: how the mighty A$ is quietly shaping politics</title>
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		<title>By: Christopher Nagle</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/02/21/the-currency-wars-how-the-mighty-a-is-quietly-shaping-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-238787</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Nagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 12:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bernard and Glen, this article was a posey of roses in a sea of bullshit.  Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bernard and Glen, this article was a posey of roses in a sea of bullshit.  Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Warren Joffe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren Joffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 05:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did someone mention Friedman and Hayek in the same breath?  The Austrians would not like that. There was a rather good SBS program about Keynes and Hayek (in particular) which I think made that clear.

Hayek was of course right to point to the impossible complexity of human affairs for those who demand definite and precise answers.  But Keynes knew that and was much better equipped than Hayek with worldly experience, public and private, to attempt to deal with the complexity.  Of course the cod-Keynesians of the post-War world, vote buying politicians and their less brilliant advisers, led their economies to the point where only harsh correctives would work.  Hence Paul Volcker&#039;s high interest rates and Thatcherism with its connection to Hayek&#039;s anti-socialist arguments.

So where do our inevitably oversimplifying and underqualified politicians stand?  Too many Coalition MPs were simple-minded anti-deficit propagandists at the wrong time, though it is a pity that Swan and Gillard didn&#039;t take on some of the spirit of their objections and try to make sure the debt they were accumulating was justified by investments with a big positive return.  Still, those Coalition MPs will probably be the ones who help Hockey restrain Abbott&#039;s populist instincts, including those which old ALP supporters of Catholic social teachings would have approved.  Abbott won&#039;t have the prestige of John Howard after his second or third election victory so will probably be restrainable.

As for promises, well, they won&#039;t really need to make any and all apparent promises to this date will be declared out of time before the election campaign proper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did someone mention Friedman and Hayek in the same breath?  The Austrians would not like that. There was a rather good SBS program about Keynes and Hayek (in particular) which I think made that clear.</p>
<p>Hayek was of course right to point to the impossible complexity of human affairs for those who demand definite and precise answers.  But Keynes knew that and was much better equipped than Hayek with worldly experience, public and private, to attempt to deal with the complexity.  Of course the cod-Keynesians of the post-War world, vote buying politicians and their less brilliant advisers, led their economies to the point where only harsh correctives would work.  Hence Paul Volcker&#8217;s high interest rates and Thatcherism with its connection to Hayek&#8217;s anti-socialist arguments.</p>
<p>So where do our inevitably oversimplifying and underqualified politicians stand?  Too many Coalition MPs were simple-minded anti-deficit propagandists at the wrong time, though it is a pity that Swan and Gillard didn&#8217;t take on some of the spirit of their objections and try to make sure the debt they were accumulating was justified by investments with a big positive return.  Still, those Coalition MPs will probably be the ones who help Hockey restrain Abbott&#8217;s populist instincts, including those which old ALP supporters of Catholic social teachings would have approved.  Abbott won&#8217;t have the prestige of John Howard after his second or third election victory so will probably be restrainable.</p>
<p>As for promises, well, they won&#8217;t really need to make any and all apparent promises to this date will be declared out of time before the election campaign proper.</p>
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		<title>By: Dogs breakfast</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dogs breakfast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 02:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, while agreeing that Hockey does sound better, he will be chaff to the populist promises of Tony Abbott and the protectionist rump of the coalition.

I fear mightily for the good they may be able to undo, and for the genuine damage they could cause by their populism.

Remember that TA models himself on John Howard.  JH had a lot of steel in opposition, but basically became a populist leader avoiding the hard decisions after the GST, and handing out lollies for the rest of his term.

That is the problem.  I&#039;d kill for another hung parliament next time, whoever leads, so that the carbon tax won&#039;t be destroyed, the NBN can go ahead, and even god willing the mining tax actually makes some money.

If only ...............</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, while agreeing that Hockey does sound better, he will be chaff to the populist promises of Tony Abbott and the protectionist rump of the coalition.</p>
<p>I fear mightily for the good they may be able to undo, and for the genuine damage they could cause by their populism.</p>
<p>Remember that TA models himself on John Howard.  JH had a lot of steel in opposition, but basically became a populist leader avoiding the hard decisions after the GST, and handing out lollies for the rest of his term.</p>
<p>That is the problem.  I&#8217;d kill for another hung parliament next time, whoever leads, so that the carbon tax won&#8217;t be destroyed, the NBN can go ahead, and even god willing the mining tax actually makes some money.</p>
<p>If only &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dogs breakfast</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dogs breakfast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 02:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;that has forced lazy managers and unions to focus on cost-cutting and productivity. As a result, while every resident galah in the national newspapers has been talking about productivity as though it could be conjured up with a dash of WorkChoices.......&quot;

Pretty much covers it.  The dollar has been that high for that long that manufacturing and other sectors are either learning to live with it, and driving the innovation that will get them through it, or they are going to go out backwards.

Like an epidemic, the high dollar may just force the &#039;lazy managers&#039; to look at their own business rather than wait for the government to perform some miracle that makes their business more productive.  Those that are left will almost certainly be stronger for it.  The weak may well be weeded out.

And as for productivity having anything but the slightest nano-connection to workchoices, that just shows the extremely limited educations of the masses of corporate rent-seekers.

We may do very well out of this, in the long run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="dquo">&#8220;</span>that has forced lazy managers and unions to focus on cost-cutting and productivity. As a result, while every resident galah in the national newspapers has been talking about productivity as though it could be conjured up with a dash of WorkChoices&#8230;&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Pretty much covers it.  The dollar has been that high for that long that manufacturing and other sectors are either learning to live with it, and driving the innovation that will get them through it, or they are going to go out backwards.</p>
<p>Like an epidemic, the high dollar may just force the &#8216;lazy managers&#8217; to look at their own business rather than wait for the government to perform some miracle that makes their business more productive.  Those that are left will almost certainly be stronger for it.  The weak may well be weeded out.</p>
<p>And as for productivity having anything but the slightest nano-connection to workchoices, that just shows the extremely limited educations of the masses of corporate rent-seekers.</p>
<p>We may do very well out of this, in the long run.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A currency war is in full swing whatever the motivations of governments might be. The northern hemisphere&#039;s developed economies are riddled with debt - governments, banks and individuals - and it is hard to see a way out of it all. Slashing interest rates and printing money (getting out of the debt problem by creating even more debt) can&#039;t be the answer.

Australia like many non-core countries is caught in this web and it is difficult to see an equitable way out of it.

If we start slashing interest rates and creating more and more money, I believe we will join the downward spiral being experienced by others. China can&#039;t prop us up forever. Don&#039;t forget that cutting interest rates has two sides to it represented by the savers and the borrowers (who may or may not invest their borrowings in productive activities). There is also a redistributional effect in cutting interest rates and the added high risk of causing asset bubbles (again with a redistributional effects).

Unfortunately Australia has embraced this free market/free trade + privatization policy unquestioningly and has, as a result, created an economy that is extremely fragile being, as it is, so reliant on mining, including of its native forests. Our manufacturing industry is gone, agriculture is suffering, notwithstanding high world prices for grains, and now the high dollar is even hurting the not-so-profitable-85% foreign owned mining industry. The high dollar as I noted earlier is partly a result of the currency wars but also, especially early on, tied to the resource boom.

Every time mention is made of imposing import duties there is an outcry... we&#039;ll start a trade war. Really! And similarly if mention is made of imposing some sort of capital controls all hell breaks loose. Why? Surely we should try something different for a change if the system we have been working under for so long is breaking up and has left us so vulnerable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A currency war is in full swing whatever the motivations of governments might be. The northern hemisphere&#8217;s developed economies are riddled with debt - governments, banks and individuals - and it is hard to see a way out of it all. Slashing interest rates and printing money (getting out of the debt problem by creating even more debt) can&#8217;t be the answer.</p>
<p>Australia like many non-core countries is caught in this web and it is difficult to see an equitable way out of it.</p>
<p>If we start slashing interest rates and creating more and more money, I believe we will join the downward spiral being experienced by others. China can&#8217;t prop us up forever. Don&#8217;t forget that cutting interest rates has two sides to it represented by the savers and the borrowers (who may or may not invest their borrowings in productive activities). There is also a redistributional effect in cutting interest rates and the added high risk of causing asset bubbles (again with a redistributional effects).</p>
<p>Unfortunately Australia has embraced this free market/free trade + privatization policy unquestioningly and has, as a result, created an economy that is extremely fragile being, as it is, so reliant on mining, including of its native forests. Our manufacturing industry is gone, agriculture is suffering, notwithstanding high world prices for grains, and now the high dollar is even hurting the not-so-profitable-85% foreign owned mining industry. The high dollar as I noted earlier is partly a result of the currency wars but also, especially early on, tied to the resource boom.</p>
<p>Every time mention is made of imposing import duties there is an outcry&#8230; we&#8217;ll start a trade war. Really! And similarly if mention is made of imposing some sort of capital controls all hell breaks loose. Why? Surely we should try something different for a change if the system we have been working under for so long is breaking up and has left us so vulnerable.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark from Melbourne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark from Melbourne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whilst the government deserves to be held to account and could do better, I cant help but think that Abbott, Hockey, Bishop, Mirabella, and the Nats are a very weak and worrying team to lead Australia. God help us all...

Even Malcolm is a concern as he has failed to show much backbone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whilst the government deserves to be held to account and could do better, I cant help but think that Abbott, Hockey, Bishop, Mirabella, and the Nats are a very weak and worrying team to lead Australia. God help us all&#8230;</p>
<p>Even Malcolm is a concern as he has failed to show much backbone.</p>
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		<title>By: drsmithy</title>
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		<dc:creator>drsmithy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What we should be doing is printing as many AUD as the crazy foreigners want, then using the money they give us to purchase foreign assets.

That or a Tobin tax, so we can at least derive some small benefit from our currency being treated like the town bicycle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What we should be doing is printing as many AUD as the crazy foreigners want, then using the money they give us to purchase foreign assets.</p>
<p>That or a Tobin tax, so we can at least derive some small benefit from our currency being treated like the town bicycle.</p>
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		<title>By: grubbidok</title>
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		<dc:creator>grubbidok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 04:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The manufacturing sector is just as pummeled by an inflated property sector that puts increased overheads on retailers selling their goods or manufacturers making them as it is by a high dollar. But no-one in politics wants to talk about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The manufacturing sector is just as pummeled by an inflated property sector that puts increased overheads on retailers selling their goods or manufacturers making them as it is by a high dollar. But no-one in politics wants to talk about that.</p>
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		<title>By: michael r james</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael r james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 03:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[The G20 declared in its communique that it “will refrain from competitive devaluation … [and] will not target our exchange rates for competitive purposes, will resist all forms of protectionism and keep our markets open”.]

[(G20): The ministers also pledged to crack down on tax avoidance by multinational companies.]

These statements raised an involuntary and weary snicker. The world&#039;s top three economies (USA, China, Japan) are engaged in overt or covert currency manipulation, and two of them are Australia&#039;s top two trading partners (and some of our key export commodities are priced in US dollars). We can only lie back and dream of ... Hayek?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The G20 declared in its communique that it “will refrain from competitive devaluation … [and] will not target our exchange rates for competitive purposes, will resist all forms of protectionism and keep our markets open”.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>(G20): The ministers also pledged to crack down on tax avoidance by multinational companies.</p></blockquote>
<p>These statements raised an involuntary and weary snicker. The world&#8217;s top three economies (USA, China, Japan) are engaged in overt or covert currency manipulation, and two of them are Australia&#8217;s top two trading partners (and some of our key export commodities are priced in US dollars). We can only lie back and dream of &#8230; Hayek?</p>
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		<title>By: Warren Joffe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren Joffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 03:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you think BK of Peter Jonson&#039;s suggestion (in his Henry Thornton blog) that there should be some sort of tax on short term foreign deposits in Australia? Maybe on bond purchases too, I forget. As he was once Chief Economist of the RBA that is surely worth thinking about and would have the advantage of bringing in some much needed revenue.

BTW don&#039;t Hockey&#039;s appearances on TV now give you some comfort and reassurance compared with what you might have thought a couple of years ago?  He seems to be well briefed and realistic about the economy.  What you cite in your article is just Hockey playing standard politics I guess and, all things considered right now I don&#039;t see much down side for him in playing it like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you think BK of Peter Jonson&#8217;s suggestion (in his Henry Thornton blog) that there should be some sort of tax on short term foreign deposits in Australia? Maybe on bond purchases too, I forget. As he was once Chief Economist of the RBA that is surely worth thinking about and would have the advantage of bringing in some much needed revenue.</p>
<p>BTW don&#8217;t Hockey&#8217;s appearances on TV now give you some comfort and reassurance compared with what you might have thought a couple of years ago?  He seems to be well briefed and realistic about the economy.  What you cite in your article is just Hockey playing standard politics I guess and, all things considered right now I don&#8217;t see much down side for him in playing it like that.</p>
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		<title>By: mattsui</title>
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		<dc:creator>mattsui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 03:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder what the new Japanese finance minister had to say at the g2o? Since returning to government in December his government has vigorously attacked the value of the yen, bringing it down by around 10%. Positive results are already being felt - at least in terms of confidence.
It&#039;s probable that a mere change of government at home will have a similar effect on the Au$, especially if Hockey goes a head with some of his more irrational plans (undoing the price on carbon is sure to cause some uncertainty and lead to a leaching of confidence in currency buying circles).
Matt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what the new Japanese finance minister had to say at the g2o? Since returning to government in December his government has vigorously attacked the value of the yen, bringing it down by around 10%. Positive results are already being felt - at least in terms of confidence.<br />
It&#8217;s probable that a mere change of government at home will have a similar effect on the Au$, especially if Hockey goes a head with some of his more irrational plans (undoing the price on carbon is sure to cause some uncertainty and lead to a leaching of confidence in currency buying circles).<br />
Matt.</p>
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		<title>By: CHRISTOPHER DUNNE</title>
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		<dc:creator>CHRISTOPHER DUNNE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 02:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Calls for protectionism come in all flavours, and the cries of the currency warriors is just another one. Capitalism must face adversity to evolve, and a stint with a high dollar will do much to rid us of unproductive enterprises and actually boost productivity.

I thought higher productivity was what everyone says they want? But is that only if it&#039;s by screwing wages?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calls for protectionism come in all flavours, and the cries of the currency warriors is just another one. Capitalism must face adversity to evolve, and a stint with a high dollar will do much to rid us of unproductive enterprises and actually boost productivity.</p>
<p>I thought higher productivity was what everyone says they want? But is that only if it&#8217;s by screwing wages?</p>
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		<title>By: Liz A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 02:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent commentary Bernard. Thankyou!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent commentary Bernard. Thankyou!!</p>
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		<title>By: cairns50</title>
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		<dc:creator>cairns50</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 02:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for your inciteful article my question is why dont truthful articles like this get published in the main stream press ? the answers simple they dont want to publish any article that might reflect any good on this labor government

thats a disgrace and imbiciles like hockey get quoted every day in and out bagging our economy,as a consequence of this misinformation and probably brain washing , most of the public beleive that our economy is in dire straits

its unbeleivable that this can happen in a so called democratic society but thats what has happened

simply the australian public is not being told the truth

the main stream mediac, murdoch dominated aided and abetted by the right wing rednecks has taken over the information stream in our country</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for your inciteful article my question is why dont truthful articles like this get published in the main stream press ? the answers simple they dont want to publish any article that might reflect any good on this labor government</p>
<p>thats a disgrace and imbiciles like hockey get quoted every day in and out bagging our economy,as a consequence of this misinformation and probably brain washing , most of the public beleive that our economy is in dire straits</p>
<p>its unbeleivable that this can happen in a so called democratic society but thats what has happened</p>
<p>simply the australian public is not being told the truth</p>
<p>the main stream mediac, murdoch dominated aided and abetted by the right wing rednecks has taken over the information stream in our country</p>
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