Prisoner X, Mossad and how the Israeli state censors its media
As details of the case of Prisoner X are revealed in the Australian media, the nature of state secrecy in Israel and the role of those in the upper echelons of power are being brought to the fore of public inquiry.
The existence of Prisoner X became public knowledge in June 2010 when news website Y-Net published a story alleging the existence of an unknown prisoner held secretly for months on unknown charges. The story was removed within hours of being posted, apparently under pressure from Israel’s military censor who can prevent the publication of reports judged sensitive to national security. Later that year, on December 27, the same website reported a prisoner’s suicide, two weeks previously, while in solitary confinement. That story was also removed within hours.
On Tuesday, the ABC’s Foreign Correspondent program alleged that Prisoner X was in fact an Australian-born man, Ben Zygier, who emigrated to Israel in 2000 and began working with Israel’s international intelligence organisation the Mossad.
The Association for Civil Rights in Israel has campaigned for transparency in the Prisoner X case since it was first publicised and then hushed up in 2010. On Wednesday, the organisation’s chief legal counsel Dan Yakir sent a letter to the Attorney-General’s office requesting the disclosure of further information regarding Prisoner X due to its “considerable public interest”.
Speaking to Crikey, Yakir acknowledges a place for state secrecy in relation to security but says the ability to issue gag orders on such matters should be removed from the court system and given only to the military censor, whose office possesses the ability to assess security threats for their level of urgency. “Unlike the courts, the military censor views both the defence establishment and the media as clients whose interests need to be taken into account,” he said.
The ABC program resulted in Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu calling an emergency meeting of the Editors Committee, a collection of editors from Israel’s major news outlets, to try to prevent further reporting on the story.
The media has been able to circumvent a court-issued gag order, when three members of the Israeli legislature, the Knesset, used their parliamentary privileges to raise questions regarding the case to the Justice Minister.
In her question, Member of the Knesset Zahava Gal-On asked: “Is it proper that the Prime Minister’s Office invited the Editors’ Committee to prevent news from being publicised? Today, we hear that in a country that claims to be a civilised democracy, journalists cooperate with the government, and that anonymous prisoners, who no one knew existed, commit suicide.”
Subsequently, an amended gag order was issued allowing Israel’s media to report only those revelations made in the international media. In lieu of publishable investigations or interviews into the circumstances surround Zygier’s death, a debate surrounding the role of state secrecy and the muzzling of the media — through court issued gag orders, the military censor and the Editors’ Committee — has ensued.
In an interview with Army Radio, former foreign minister Avigdor Lieberman, leader of Yisrael Beytenu, a coalition partner to Netanyahu’s Likud, but unable to assume a seat in the Knesset due to an ongoing trial on corruption charges, described the questions of the three MKs as an “attempt to harm the state’s security”. His remarks were supported by Likud MK Miri Regev, herself a former military censor, who went further by saying the trio should be prosecuted.
The current chief military censor, Brigadier-General Sima Vaknin, said there was no intention to strike the remarks and questions of the three MKs from the minutes, describing the notion as “inconceivable” in an interview with Army Radio. This followed a report in the country’s largest selling newspaper, Yedioth Ahronoth, which quoted Mossad director Tamir Pardo as saying it was”unthinkable that someone will dare to try to and restrict the right of Knesset members to act or infringe on their immunity.”
But sections of the media are indignant at what they describe as “totalitarian methods” to limit discourse on matters of public concern. Haaretz’s Thursday editorial acknowledged the need for state secrecy but deplored sacrificing civil rights in the name of purported security considerations. “One such example is making people disappear by incarcerating them for long prison terms, far from the public eye and under strict media censorship,” the editorial read.
Also in Haaretz, prominent commentator Gideon Levy wrote of those politicians, public servants and members of the media working to conceal information from the public: “They should be feeling profound shame for having betrayed their responsibilities, thereby committing a far greater act of betrayal than the implied act of treachery ascribed to citizen Ben Zygier.”
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Australia’s refugee prisons are the most secretive places in Australia and our media are so devoid of interest or intellect they can’t be bothered even finding ways in.
That could be why DFAT and other spies didn’t care about secrecy in Israel.
by shepherdmarilyn on Feb 15, 2013 at 3:06 pm
The question has to be asked what sort of indignation and outcry would there have been if this incident happened in China, Iran or even Indonesia? You would have been able to hear the Canberra tubthumping here in Melbourne. Must be dissapointing for News Ltd as well for the ABC and not Sky News to have not broken the story. Then again Rupert of News Ltd would not have permitted the story to happen.
by Bill Hilliger on Feb 15, 2013 at 3:42 pm
Agreed Ben, but the west has no right to take Israel to task for censorship.
The US with it’s myriad secret prisons, the 54 countries who helped with renditions and covered them up to suit the US, the torture and persecution of Bradley Manning for exposing facts and so on.
by shepherdmarilyn on Feb 15, 2013 at 4:06 pm
This has the aroma of seafood left under the passenger seat on a summers day. I have had professional cause to inspect maximum security prison cells and they are designed to prevent suicide by hanging. Everything is flush fit including shower roses.
The suggestion that Zygier was about to release sensitive information on the use of Australian passports in the assassination of a Palestinian confirms the view that the state of Israel exists in a moral vacuum.
by Microseris on Feb 15, 2013 at 4:47 pm
Morality has no place in national security. National security is the flexible get-out-of-jail card for all stuff-ups and cover-ups.
by Milanion20 on Feb 15, 2013 at 5:17 pm
Israel is out of control. Democracy there is a joke.
Didn’t New Zealand have a similar episode with Israelis using NZ passports for criminal activities? And didn’t NZ absolutely refuse to go along with Israel’s paranoid delusions? I seem to remember court cases and fraud charges laid against Israeli citizens who engaged in these activities.
I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for the Australian government to do the same. Just shows the contempt our government has for Australian citizenship and passports, if they are not prepared to defend the abuse of same by other countries.
by CML on Feb 15, 2013 at 5:28 pm
A small ray of hope. The revelations emerging about Zygier’s death and the lengths the Israeli government are going to in order to suppress an honest and open inquiry reveal to average citizens here something about the true nature of this brutal Zionist state.
It is probably too much to hope that the Oz media will draw the wider lessons.
by j.oneill on Feb 15, 2013 at 6:31 pm
CML, that happened with Australian passports too and the government were pretty upset about it. They booted one of Israel’s diplomats out of the country over it IIRC
by Draco Houston on Feb 15, 2013 at 6:46 pm
Someone using a dual-nationality passport being employed by the government of one of the nationalities to practice espionage would be treason to the second country. Unless, of course, the former country was a plant in an Arab world, to keep all the locals at everyone else’s throats.
A plant nurtured by the most powerful country on this planet, to whom we genuflect and follow.
by Venise Alstergren on Feb 17, 2013 at 3:24 pm
In psychotherapy, drawing an overarching rule from a specific case is called “catastrophising”. There are a few people here making catastrophising conspiracist leaps from a. Secret Services the world over use covert operations an dirty tricks to b. Israel is a “moral vacuum” and “the most powerful country on this planet!” (Perhaps Israel is Martian HQ, and we don’t know it?) The only entity that requires being genuflected to btw is the Vatican. Perhaps Venise is getting her cultural wires crossed.
by SoAnyway on Feb 18, 2013 at 3:21 pm
With the dual nationality comes dual loyalty, or does it?
In that case, which country has been betrayed? Both?
by Rena Zurawel on Feb 20, 2013 at 7:54 pm
So Anyway (11), if you think ‘Venise’ (9) has overstated Jewish influence over US politics and the media, I respectfully suggest you have not done your homework.
The US is now a country which has been seized by an occupying power – Israel. Anyone who had doubts this is the case would have been disabused on their naivety on witnessing the scarifying Orwellian nightmare of Chuck Hagel’s appearance before US Senate hearings on his appointment to become the US Secretary of Defense. Hagel was not only forced into repudiating his measured 2006 criticism of Jewish influence over US foreign policy – he virtually had to deny there even exists a Jewish lobby in the US Government. It was absolutely Kafkaesque!
And this is not just an ‘Israel lobby’. The US administration has been captured by the radical Talmudic dogmas of Chabad-Lubavitch which informs and guides the Zionist fanaticism of the many senior Jews in the US government, and its financial system.
In 1991, for example, the US Congress passed a resolution declaring that the USA was founded on the seven Noahide Laws of the Talmud! (US Congress, HR 104 Public Law 102-14).
In December 1999, the US Supreme Court set a precedent by accepting for consideration an amicus curiae brief in a death penalty case (Bryan v. Moore) which was based wholly on Talmud law.
In November 2002, a kosher dinner was held in the US Supreme Court building to celebrate the establishment of the National Institute for Judaic Law, the purpose of which is the promotion of Talmudic laws into the US legal system and law schools.
Such religious intrusions into American civic life have also been undergirded by legal developments such as the 1967 Afroyim v Rusk case which has “facilitated dual U.S.–Israeli citizenship and participation by Americans in Israel’s armed forces.” (Professor P. A Dionisopoulos, Chicago Sun-Times. 9 July, 1993.)
There are dozens of authoritative sites showing the extent to which Jewish interests have infiltrated the US at horrendous cost to US lives and resources. But there’s another fascinating kind of source - that is the increasingly brazen articles being written by radical Jews themselves, such as the one by imes of Israel from last July:
http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/jews-do-control-the-media/
or try Joel Stein on the control that Jews excercise over the entertainment industry in the US. Ref the following:
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-stein19-2008dec19,0,4676183.column
by Chris Williams on Feb 26, 2013 at 6:33 pm
Who was to know? According to Chris above all the ailments and problems that afflict the US are due to the Talmudic Noahide basis of the US legal system. This all may be germane to the Ziegler affair, but this connection is not obvious from Chris’s comments other than a passing reference in the second last paragraph to US/Israel dual citizenship . What appears to be more overt is Chris’s attitude to Jews . At least he is not coy about stating his prejudiced views, by dropping any distinction between Zionists and Jews .
The link to an article regarding Jewish ‘domination ‘ of Hollywood is interesting. Is Chris just another common garden variety neo-con Tea party adherent complaining about the bias of the ‘ liberal Hollywood studios’? Likewise is his link to Jewish dominated media of the East and West coast media, apparently dominated by Jews, another example of his disdain for the ‘liberal media’?
One example, amongst many, of this liberal media is Jon Stewart (Jewish) who took apart the Republicans regarding the Hagen nomination. For a wonderful example, see Stewart excoriating John McCain about the Hagel confirmation (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/21/1188747/-MUST-SEE-Jon-Stewart-blasts-McCain-and-Graham-for-their-Hagel-smears).
Again the Tea Party and News types regard the (‘Jewish infiltrated ‘) media as displaying liberal/socialist bias.
It may come as a surprise to Chris that the Jews are not a monolithic bloc. They have highly divergent views on everything including Israel. Attempts to generalize and portray an ethnic or religious group as a malevolent bloc used to, where I come from, attract the label consisting of a 6 letter word, starting with the letter ‘r’, the third letter being ‘c’ and ending with ‘m’ (clue: there are two words that satisfy the criteria – both are appropriate).
by Mike R on Feb 28, 2013 at 3:16 pm
Dear Mike R
By all means call me what you like but if you want to give your denunciations more force you need to avoid drawing such very long and broad bows from the information presented.
Your first allegations that I say that “all the ailments and problems that afflict the US are due to the Talmudic Noahide basis of the US legal system” is imaginative but fallacious. What I said was that the fact that the US Congress had passed this resolution about the Seven Noahide Laws of the Talmud – on the occasion of the 90th birthday of the leading Jewish Rabbi the ‘Rebbe’ Schneerson – was evidence of the extent of Jewish influence over the US.
You pass over the other evidence I offer in support of this argument about influence and control, chastising me that except for a “passing reference in my second last paragraph to dual citizenship”, I am apparently off the point which is to be solely the Zygier case.
Now, if you want to say the argument has to be more narrowly focused, I won’t argue. But you need to know that my “passing reference” to the 1967 Afroyim v Rusk case is pregnant with importance for the dual citizenship issue. I thought my quotation of a US academic that this case had “facilitated dual U.S.–Israeli citizenship and participation by Americans in Israel’s armed forces” was more than ‘passing’ but if this doesn’t meet the ‘Mike R’ standard of ‘more than passing’, I would be grateful if you could give some closer attention to it than I have been able to give in the short space available. In doing so you may thereby be able to explain why the unique status granted to Israeli citizenship in the US by this case, is not of extraordinary precedence in US law and of extraordinary significance in the history of US decision making.
I see you are reasonably confident about my attitude to Jews – even almost applauding what you see as my honesty in dropping the distinction between Zionists and Jews. Although I refut totally the implied accusation of racial bias against all Jews, I admit to a politically incorrect heresy that I am a commited hater of orthodox or Talmudic Judaism (note not ‘Conservative’ or ‘Reform’ Judaism so please check the difference before launching into a critique).
I do this not because as you seem to think that I am unable to see that “Jews are not a monolithic bloc” but rather because the Jews who are exercising control over the US – and who run the theocratic state of Israel – make no such distinction.
To avoid delving into non-Zygier issues, I will illustrate this by some pertinent considerations regarding Israeli citizenship.
1. In January 2012, the Supreme Court of Israel upheld a law banning Palestinians who marry Israelis from gaining Israeli citizenship. In other words, non-Jewish citizenship is not really citizenship at all but a form of third class visa permit. (Ref: ‘Citizenship law decision a stain on Israeli Law’, Jerusalem Post, 1 December 2012, http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=253281)
2. The Israel Foreign Ministry website notes that “Adults may acquire Israeli citizenship by naturalization at the discretion of the Minister of the Interior and subject to a number of requirements”, including that: “they have renounced their prior nationality, or have proved that they will cease to be foreign nationals upon becoming Israeli citizens.” http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/2000_2009/2001/8/Acquisition%20of%20Israeli%20Nationality
It seems reasonable to ask: why should Australia demand anything less?
I guess this is why my attitude is no longer ‘covert’ – I just don’t get the hypocrisy of our extraordinary focus and paranoia about Islamofascism while remaining totally silent about Jewish fascism. (While tangential to the keen ‘Zygier focus’I am required to keep, I quote for you in the footnote below what Rebbe Schneerson, the subject of the Congress Noahide resolution, had to say about non-Jews).
On a couple of final notes, let me just make the point that I am a great fan of Jon Stewart – and for that matter an even greater fan of Stephen Colbert (and yes I do get that it is satire and not Tea Party documentary) – but you may like to recall Voltaire’s great aphorism that “To learn who rules over you simply find out who are not allowed to criticise.”
In fact, I disdain both the conservative and the liberal media because both lie congenitally to the viewing public. Both seek to keep us suspended in our matrix stupor, ignorant of the real suffering of the vast majority of humanity and the interests which prevent the alleviation of that suffering. Both feed us endless diets of trivia.
For all my love of Stewart, however, there is clearly a Voltarian point of criticism beyond which he (and Colbert) must not go. No need to believe me on this point – just go to Alternate.org of 24 January 2013. There you will find an article by Alyssa Figueroa with the self-explanatory title: ‘Watch: Jon Stewart Hosts Drone Expert, Asks Nothing About Civilian Deaths.’ Figueroa concludes “…in the end, Stewart’s softball questions and uncritical coverage ultimately worked to depoliticize drones and celebrate them as simply an advancement in technology.” As you are also probably aware the editor of this site, Don Hazen, is the editor of several books including Dangerous Brew: Exposing the Tea Party’s Agenda to Take Over America.
Jews, as you say, are not a monolithic block. But the Jews who are your mates and who you see on New York based comedy shows aren’t the Jews in power. The Jews in power are Zionists - the Zionists are Jews. Sorry I am simply not kosher on this politically correct point! The Tea Party you want to imagine I am a member of is made up of stupid dupes who think they are defending America but who are in fact selling it into slavery.
You don’t believe me I know but just ask yourself who benefits from Israel’s wars? Not only have these wars driven the US to bankruptcy they have in the short space of two decades turned the US into the world’s only superpower seeking peace worldwide into a pariah state. 320,000 American veterans have brain damage. During this same period the State of Israel has been growing economically at rate near 15% per annum.
I don’t know “where [you] come from” but I know we both come from a country which has to talk fearlessly about its interests. I would hope we could do this without trying to silence people with whom we disagree by calling them ‘ricatm’ – or whatever that word was.
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Footnote: Rebbe Schneerson has to say about the non-Jew: “The difference between a Jewish and a non-Jewish persons stems from the common expression: Let us differentiate… the body of a Jewish person is of a totally different quality from the body of [members] of all nations of the world… An even greater difference exists in regard to the soul. Two contrary types of soul exist, a non-Jewish soul comes from three satanic spheres, while the Jewish soul stems from holiness…A Jew was not created as a means for some [other] purpose; he himself is the purpose, since the substance of all [divine] emanations was created only to serve Jews.” (Michael Samuel, 1999 email sent to major organisations opposing government funding of Chabad-Lubavitch religious centre in Montreal.)
by Chris Williams on Mar 6, 2013 at 12:08 am
Chris , I happen to agree with you that dual citizenship, as evidenced by the Zygier case, is a bad idea. My objections to your comments are the other 90% of your rant.
From your latest missive I think I must have radically misunderstood the opening sentence of your previous comment “So Anyway (11), if you think ‘Venise’ (9) has overstated Jewish influence over US politics and the media, I respectfully suggest you have not done your homework.”
I gather you claim that you were really referring to a subset of Jews, the Chabad followers of Rabbi Schneerson (who displayed some ambiguity with regards to Israel by refusing to set foot there)? The number of followers of Chabad in the US constitute about 3% of the Jewish population of the US. So why the links to articles concerning Jewish (not Chabad or even orthodox) domination of Hollywood and the media , if all you meant was Chabad domination. Interestingly enough the adherents and leadership of Chabad, also regularly condemn the same media and Hollywood for immorality etc.. The average adherent of Chabad wouldn’t know the difference between Jon Stewart and Jimmy Stewart or John Wayne as they normally go out of the way to avoid attending movies, watching TV, reading mainstream newspapers etc..
Even amongst the orthodox Jews, there is much dispute about Zionism. Amongst the orthodox there are pro Zionists , those neutral about Zionism and anti-Zionists (see ultra-haredim and the Neturei Karta) even amongst those who reside in Israel. Your attempts to suggest a ‘cabal’ (how appropriate in this context) of orthodox Jews that are controlling the US is out there with other kindred conspiracy theories (see the online ‘Skeptic’s Dictionary’ entry on the Illuminati).
I am glad you have no issues with reform and conservative Jews, Do you have a beef with agnostic or atheist Jews and other orthodox Jews? Can I assume some of your best friends are Jewish (actually from the sound of it, probably not) .
Now coming to your latest comment ‘But the Jews who are your mates and who you see on New York based comedy shows aren’t the Jews in power. The Jews in power are Zionists - the Zionists are Jews. Sorry I am simply not kosher on this politically correct point!’.
I note that you let it all hang out above and refer here to Jews not orthodox Jews or Chabad/Lubavitz Jews.
So Chris do not beat about the bush. Which Jews in power are you referring to? Name names. Which of those media harlots from Fox News are card carrying members of Chabad? Is Rupert Murdoch a closet card carrying member? All you need to do is resurrect the House of Un-American Activities committee and disinter the appropriate Senator from Wisconsin and you can have your day,( I seem to remember many of those commies that McCarthy exposed were Jewish).
Interestingly, a propos of this, not all Jews are Zionists (think of Chomsky, Loewenstein, Finkelstein etc., etc.) and not all Zionists are Jews (think of the Christian fundamentalists), so your conflation of the term Zionist as shorthand for Jew and vice-versa gives the game away. You may be trying to kosher the pig of an argument with the use of lipstick but the underlying aroma still persists.
p.s. I am not sure what the relevance is to your argument concerning the Israeli GDP growth rate, but it is about 3% ( see http://www.tradingeconomics.com/israel/gdp-growth ) compared to the Palestinian Territories which currently is about 30% (see http://www.tradingeconomics.com/palestine/gdp-growth-annual). See making up stuff can end up biting you on the bum. Maybe the website referred to is controlled by the Illuminati/Chabad axis.
And by the way the second letter of the word ‘r_c__m) has only 2 possibilities ‘a’ or ‘e’. ‘ricatm’ is not a word. Remind me never to play Scrabble with you.
by Mike R on Mar 6, 2013 at 12:11 pm
There appears to be two main arguments to your position. First that it is illegitimate to point to C-L influence in the US because this is a fringe group which doesn’t represent the position of the vast majority of Jews in the US; and secondly, that it is racist of me to refer to Zionism as Jewish when there are non-Jewish Zionists. I will deal with these in turn.
The premise that the size of a population represents its influence is fallacious. Clearly Chabad Lubavitch (C-L) is a force in the US which is far, far more significant than its small size. The evidence of this is the Congressional testament to Schneerson – an appalling racial supremacist. Here is a man who can claim that every gentile in Congress is morally and biologically inferior to Jews and has no other purpose in life than to serve Jews. He gets a tumultuous standing ovation and the congressional gold medal. That such a man could have received standing acclaim from every member of the US Congress says a great deal about the influence which C-L wields in the halls of US power. Tell me what other small minority racist sect could have achieved such recognition?
You invite me to name names but on your rationale, it is presumably not legitimate to point to the vast number of Zionists in the US administration and the media. After all anyone can find this by simply ‘Googling’ for ‘Jewish influence in the US’ (and the names which Joel Stein and others have previously provided references for are not apparently legitimate evidence either.) So I will refrain from listing the thousands of names I could list naming more names but if you really don’t appreciate the extent of Jewish domination of the key sectors of the US government and media, I would point you in the direction of: http://www.radioislam.org/islam/english/toread/frnklin.htm or http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/history/zionism/news.php?q=1296147584
The notion that there is a clean break between C-L and the broader phenomenon of Jewish control of various sectors of the US government and industry is simply disingenuous. First, because the links between key Zionist member of recent US administrations can be demonstrated. Secondly, because Jewish chauvinism does not only manifest in direct forms of control but rather manifests in terms of attitudes of hatred against the goy which are C-L inspired; and thirdly, because Jewish chauvinism, in ways which parallels the failure of ordinary Germans to prevent Nazism, does not, except amongst a minority of Jews, confront the racism of C-L.
In relation to direct links to C-L, the website called Uprooted Palestinian, provides the most easy accessible list of evidence of clear links with C-L for the following key Washington insiders: Alan Dershowitz, Michael Mukasey, Joe Lieberman, Carl Levin, Ari Fleischer, Paul D. Wolfowitz, Dov Zakheim, Stuart Eizenstat, Levi Shematov, Abraham Shemtov, Michael Chertoff, and Rahm Emanuel. http://uprootedpalestinians.blogspot.com.au/2010/11/some-zionist-law-makers-in-usa-and.html
The link between C-L’s Talmudic hate messages and the celebration of Purim, Hanukkah, Passover and the calls for the elimination of Israel’s enemies is obvious. Such messages sadly influence both ordinary Jews and even non-Jews. Mostly this hatred and desire for vengeance is not conceded but sometimes it is revealed candidly by Jews other than the C-L. The Jewish pornographer Al Goldstein, publisher of Screw magazine for example was at least candid in exposing that “the only reason that Jews are in pornography is that we think that Christ sucks…” (See Nathan Abrams, ‘Triple Exthnics’, Jewish Quarterly, winter 2004, where Abrams documents the leading role Jews have played in the porn industry). The author of the article, a Jewish academic writes: “Jewish involvement in porn…is the result of an atavistic hatred of Christian authority: they are trying to weaken the dominant culture in America by moral subversion. Astyr [a pornographer] remembers having to “run or fight for it in grammar school because I was a Jew. It could very well be that part of my porn career is an ‘up yours’ to these people.” The Talmudic hatred for the goy which seeps into Jewish attitudes beyond C-L has been and is still being nurtured, in schools in Israel and in Hollywood torture porn, such as the productions of the Weinstein brothers, like Inglourious Basterds, and Zero Dark Thirty.
More broadly, the argument against a clear separation between C-L and the lesser forms of Jewish chauvinism is no more true in the case of Jews than it was in the case of Germans in the 1930s. Not all Germans were Nazis but many Germans ignored the persecution of Jews and other minorities. I grant that the nature of the pro-Zionist media in the US makes it extraordinarily hard for ordinary Jews to see through the Zionist lies they are fed, but there are growing numbers of such Jews who are seeing through the lies and are taking heroic stances against the lies.
As I said I am not attacking non-Zionist Jews whether Judaic reformers or conservatives, so for that reason I say more power to Neturei Karta! (and any other Jews working against the Talmud inspired racial hatreds of Jewish orthodoxy). But my clear point was that such anti-orthodox Jews are not the ones controlling policy in either Israel or the US. I’ve already mentioned that I am a great fan of heroic Jews like Shahak, Finkelstein, Atzmon and Eisen. Here are some more heroic Jews I would like to give more power to:
• A project of Jewish Voice for Peace: http://theonlydemocracy.org/
• Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions: http://www.icahd.org
• B’Tselem Center for Human Rights: http://www.btselem.org
• Jews Against the Occupation (Sydney): jao.org.au
• Independent Australian Jewish Voices: http://www.iajv.org
You write colourfully of what you apparently see as a ‘gotcha moment’ that: “Interestingly, a propos of this, not all Jews are Zionists (think of Chomsky, Loewenstein, Finkelstein etc., etc.) and not all Zionists are Jews (think of the Christian fundamentalists), so your conflation of the term Zionist as shorthand for Jew and vice-versa gives the game away. You may be trying to kosher the pig of an argument with the use of lipstick but the underlying aroma still persists.”
So let me get this right. If there are Zionists in power who are not Jews then it is illegitimate to conflate Jews with Zionism? What I said was: “The Jews in power are Zionists - the Zionists are Jews.” I think it is pretty clear that this means these Zionists who are in power are Jews. So if Christian fundamentalists or atheists or Rupert Murdoch are Zionists therefore according to this logic Zionism and Jewishness are unconnected. I am thus guilty of a category mistake. Hmm fascinating. So if a black person in South Africa is found to be supporting racial apartheid then we cannot associate apartheid with white racist South Africans? So how many Uncle Toms undoes the right to refer to the connection?
What appears particularly persistent is your reflexive self-righteousness, a determination to twist my words, and a convenient knack of avoiding arguments which don’t suit your position. I note that for a great crusading defender of human rights you don’t actually condemn the horrific violence of the State of Israel against the Palestinians or the Lebanese.
I would have thought the relevance of the Israeli growth rate is pretty obvious. It was wrapped up in the question you did not answer: who benefits from Israel’s wars of hate against the Palestinian and other Arab peoples? America’s economy (and international authority) is tanking, millions in the US are unemployed and on food stamps, while their erstwhile partner who sacrifices no one in these wars is still growing economically. I concede the figure was an overestimate, I misread a figure from UPI.com which quoted growth rate figures for 2009-2012. http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Analysis/de-Borchgrave/2013/01/04/Commentary-Hagel-and-the-Israeli-lobby/UPI-58881357306373/?spt=hs&or=an
Yes I can anticipate you will make merry hell out of this but the important point remains. As the American economy was stalling under the burden of its massive war expenditure and as thousands of America’s finest were coming home in body bags or in their hundreds of thousands were suffering horrific injuries, as the article notes “the Jewish state’s 2009-12 economic growth of 14.7 percent leads all the advanced countries of the world, followed by Australia with 10.7; Canada 4.8; United States 3.2; Germany 2.7; France 0.3; European Union minus 1.5 percent.” So Israel’s economy grew at nearly five times that of its US puppy dog. Ref: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Analysis/de-Borchgrave/2013/01/04/Commentary-Hagel-and-the-Israeli-lobby/UPI-58881357306373/#ixzz2MrA4Fuok
I looked at the website reference to Israeli and Palestinian growth rates. Obviously the Palestinian rate is ridiculous if it is meant to represent anything like the living conditions of most Palestinians. I expect you’ll find that the lowness of the Israeli figure and the ridiculously high figure for Palestine stems from the fact that as the website notes: “The Palestinian territories (West Bank and Gaza) have been occupied by Israel since the Six-Day war in 1967. As such, Palestinian economy is dependent on Israel as it controls the movement of goods and labour and retains customs revenues.” Clearly, the extensive illegal building program and immigration of thousands of Israelis in this otherwise impoverished land has a disproportionate impact on the growth there and goes unrecorded in official statistics for Israel.
If you are going to refer to me as a racist then do so – calling me that is just a cowardly slur typical of the Mossad’s Hasbarah trolls, designed to shutdown Israel’s critics (See: http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/jonathon-blakeley-a-guide-to-hasbara-trolls.html) but at least it would be correct English. And if you aren’t already on Mossad’s payroll you should give them a call – you certainly meet the job description.
by Chris Williams on Mar 11, 2013 at 1:14 pm
Wow Chris, You have clearly displayed your heart on your sleeve. I love the way you are unashamed about your belief system.
For everybody else I heartily endorse reading his links above to the web sites - http://www.radioislam.org/islam/english/toread/frnklin.htm and the site http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/history/zionism/news.php?q=1296147584.
They make great reading and say it all. The first site is fantastic (emphasis on fantasy). In one convenient location, all the wet dreams of an anti-Semite. I often hesitate to use the term anti-Semite as it is often inappropriately used but on this an occasion it is truly deserved. If anyone can characterize the material on this site as not being anti-Semitic then they are in desperate need of therapy, but they may need ensure that the background of the therapist is checked first.
The second one is also interesting reading in a slightly more subtle way. This link appears to be just another compendium of people, mostly with Jewish sounding names, so beloved of the those who subscribe to International Jewish Conspiracy theories.
To gauge the accuracy of the material all one needs is a cursory glance. For example, on the list is Carol Browner, the Director of the White House Office of Energy and Climate Change Policy. There is little evidence available regarding her ethnicity or religious affiliation on the internet. The closest I could find was her being accused of being a socialist by some deranged individual on the ‘Take Back America’ web site. I know that in itself would make Chris and his ilk suspicious . Possibly she had a Jewish ancestor somewhere in her family tree that may have made the author of the Fourwinds piece suspicious.
Even more interesting and bizarre is the inclusion of the new CIA director John O. Brennan who is according to the web site is apparently Jewish which may be news to him personally. This also appears to be discordant with any known evidence (look a Jewish doctor may have attended his birth, who’s to know?) as he was born to Irish immigrants (maybe his mother was an O’Goldberg from County Cork?). His attendance at the “Immaculate Heart of Mary Elementary School” also sounds remarkably inappropriate for a nice Jewish boy.
Anyway perusal of the material on the above web site will find all other kinds of similar material such as “The Jewish hand behind Internet - Google, Facebook, Wikipedia, Yahoo!, MySpace, eBay” yadda, yadda yadda. I am suprised that they haven’t yet got onto Maru the Zionist cat who is secretly sending messages worldwide to other Mossad cats via YouTube.
Interestingly the site appears to be bizarrely related to a new age Christian sect of some sort, see the newest post ‘A Prayer for America’ http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/spiritual/prayer/news.php?q=a6f6a695b28049d5b3826d4da7305de3. References to Sananda on this site which appears to be a new age term for the resurrected Jesus seem to confirm this.
The other material that Chris refers to about Jewish porn merchants morally subverting Christian society sounds like Chris is singing from the same prayer sheet as the new age Christian mob above.
I have followed Chris’s advice and Googled Jewish influence in the USA. I have found some links that are just up his line. The National Vanguard link http://www.natvan.com/who-rules-america/ is just his cup of tea. Also follow the links to the home page to get the full flavour of this site.
Thanks for the links Chris. Keep them coming. I am often in need of havin a larf.
Finally Chris refers to myself as being a Mossad troll. After our diversion into a range of unsavoury topics we have returned to the original topic of the Mossad. I can reassure Chris that my lineage is not Norse ( I may however have a touch of Viking in my genetic makeup) so I find the reference culturally inappropriate. Maybe a Mossad dybbuk.
by Mike R on Mar 13, 2013 at 5:45 pm
So let me get this straight. You say you are not a Mossad troll but
1. Even though at your insistence that I narrow my discussion down to actual linkages between evil fascist Chabad-Lubavitch rabbis and their close associations with inner members of the Washington establishment – you don’t want to discuss this?
2. Even though I offer the first of several simple results form a Google search which provide thousands of names indicating the extensive domination of Jews within the administration you don’t address this fact but seek to divert discussion of it by the convenient slur that such list of names are by their very nature anti-Semitic. Science does not advance in this fashion. (And please spare me and anyone else who may tune in the fiction that you don’t resort easily to the expression anti-Semitic – mate this is your bread and butter. And I love that line about “mostly with Jewish sounding names” – I mean where did you do your training was it Haifa or Tel Aviv? This is of a piece with your stumble over the proper usage for the English word ‘racist’).
3. Even though I invite you to demonstrate your moral superiority over me by expressing your indignation at the horrific fascistic crimes of Ben-Gurion, Begin, Rabin, Sharon, Barak and Netanyahu – you don’t want to discuss this?
4. Even though I provide evidence – by a Jewish academic in a respected Jewish publication – that the most evil pornographers working in the world today are motivated by an ‘atavistic desire’ (in the words of Jewish academic) to wreak vengeance on Christian society – oy veh! – you want to know what’s my problem with this?!
If you really aren’t a troll then I can be sure that:
1. You haven’t actually examined the evidence of the Alternate.org site which exposes the limits of criticism by the media, have you?
2. You haven’t actually read the comments from Joel Stein about Jewish influence in the media, which I provided you.
3. You haven’t actually read what Shahak, Finkelstein, Eisen and Atzmon have to say about Jewish supremacism and fascism.
I’m really glad we have this opportunity to air these issues. Please, by all means, you just keep farting on about what an appalling ‘racism’ I am, and I will use the opportunity of our dialogue to bring to light on Crikey some of the deeply disturbing crimes of the most putridly nasty regime since Vlad the Impaler. You can comment if you like but if you’d prefer to stay silent about these Jewish crimes as you have, I won’t be surprised.
I will start today by noting that it is not an Islamic or Christian source which has this to say about Jewish warfare but Jewish authors – Note this Mikha – first in 1993 journalist Joel Greenburg stated that Israel tortures 500 to 600 Palestinians every month (ref New York Times, 14 August 1993). Second, a Jewish human rights group in Israel found that 85% of Palestinians detainees undergo torture (ref Ha’aretz, 20 May 1998). And then third, Steve Weizman confirmed this was ongoing in 2001 (AP online 11 November, ‘Israel Rethinks Interrogation of Arabs.) this is even before the US invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan.
In coming editions I will document the horrific crimes of your Jewish heroes (do you have pictures on your walls?) Ben-Gurion, Meier, Begin, Rabin, Sharon, Barak and Netanyahu and the wonderful testaments to their racial tolerance known to history as the massacres of Deir Yassin, Sharafat, Kibya, Kafr Qasem, Al-Sammou’, Sabra and Chatila, Oyon Qara, or the massacres at the Al-Aqsa and the Ibrahimi Mosques. Feel free to bud in with your concern for the victims at any time…
But for now let me leave you with that wonderful evidence of Jewish humanity – the Qana massacre in Lebanon – so vividly reported by Robert Fisk:
“Not since Sabra and Chatila had I seen the innocent slaughtered like this. The Lebanese refugee women and children and men lay in heaps, their hands or arms or legs missing, beheaded or disembowelled. There were well over a hundred of them. A baby lay without a head. The Israeli shells had scythed through them as they lay in the UN shelter believing that they were safe under the world’s protection. Israeli’s slaughter of civilians in this terrible 10 day offensive – 206 by last night – has been so cavalier, so ferocious, that not a Lebanese will forgive this massacre. There had been the ambulance attacked on Saturday night, the sisters killed in Yohomor the day before, the 2-year-old girl decapitated by an Israeli missile four days ago. And earlier yesterday the Israelis had slaughtered a family of 12 – the youngest was a four day old baby – when Israeli helicopter pilots fired missiles into their home…” (Robert Fisk, The Independent, 19 April 1996.)
Also in coming editions a complete list of all the names that Mike ‘R’ – the Norseman apparently – thinks only sound Jewish but are probably Scandinavian.
by Chris Williams on Mar 14, 2013 at 12:23 am
Ah Chris, There I was trying to be nice to you.
Apologies for my feeble attempts to display a sense of (warped) humour that could have caused offence. You either have to laugh or cry when dealing with some of this stuff. I prefer to laugh. The following continues in the same ‘tongue firmly embed in cheek’ manner with the occasional outbreak of seriousness.
I merely tried to point out that veracity of the material in the first two links you provided was questionable in one case and downright anti-Semitic in the other. I didn’t expect (nor would anyone) the Spanish Inquistion. I felt Chris’s wrath even at this distance. A dispassionate observer might conclude that you have a obsessive and compulsive dislike (with a significant delusional component) of Jews and in particular orthodox Jews of the Chabad variety.
You lost me on your previous comment when you linked to these sites. If the links upon even the most cursory examination were dubious to say the least, then I need not waste my time by examining in detail the rest of the material. It’s a bit like going to a driving test and knocking a pedestrian over in the first minute of the test and then complaining that the test was prematurely terminated before you could demonstrate your proficiencies at wheelies. In your case it was those links that demonstrated exactly the nature of the beast.
You clearly have time on your hands (as the say idle hands …) to compile such a vast compendium documenting the perfidy of the Israelis (and Jews) or you are extremely proficient with cut and paste from your favourite web-sites. I am sure you have plenty more from where that came from.
I must point out that we are at danger of having our exchanges terminated due to the statute of limitations that apply to Crikey correspondence. I believe (I may be mistaken) that 28 days after the article first appears comments are closed. Due to the extensive nature of your contributions and the limitations of time I will refrain from examining the minutiae of your latest efforts.
Actually the real reason for my reluctance is as follows.
1. It is extremely boring reading the regurgitations of material that has been sprayed (in the micturitive sense) all over the Internet at Chris’s favourite sites.
2. Even if I managed to wade through this material I would be in danger (along with anyone who has the misfortune of reading all this crap) of being swamped by Chris’s threat of providing additional material on a daily basis.
In your defence Chris, your arguments about Jewish domination of the media and Hollywood torture porn is really interesting. You may well be right about the Jewish bit and torture. Last year I went into a number of places of worship in Italy and Spain. Nearly everywhere where I looked in these places of worship there was some effigy of a guy on the wall in agony with nails through his hands. I am pretty sure he may have been Jewish (it was funny though, that he didn’t look Jewish to me).
I gather you also don’t like the movies of the Weinstein brothers and Quentin Tarantino. I am not fond either of Tarantino’s movies., I hated the violence in Reservoir Dogs in particular. What in particular concerned you about “Inglorious Basterds”? Did you object to the unfair portrayal of the Nazis? Yes Chris you are right the Hollywood Jewish Mafia have always portrayed Nazis in a bad light. Shocking isn’t it. I have yet to see “Django Unchained” but it does seem to be a bit violent for my tastes.
Chris has indicated that he is a great fan of Stephen Colbert but a bit lukewarm about Jon Stewart. The following is in the spirit of Colbert.
When it comes to Hollywood Chris seems to dislike Jewish brothers as evidenced by his dislike for the Weinstein brothers . Does his vendetta extend only to the current crop such as the Wachowski or Coen brothers (yes “No Country for Old Men” was pretty brutal) or does it go back further?
If his dislike goes back as far as the Jewish Warner brothers then he may have a real fight on his hands. The senseless violence that Daffy Duck had to deal with and the brutality Sylvester the Cat endured at the claws of Tweety Bird ( sounds like a microcosm of the middle-East) just shows how much the Jewish Hollywood Mafia has insinuated itself into popular culture and defiled it. And don’t get me started on that thug Yosemite Sam with his threats of disproportionate violence ( “I payed my five bits to see the high diving act and I’ll see the high diving act”) against the defenceless Bugs Bunny.
Chris, don’t get me wrong. Heaven forbid, I didn’t mean to infer that you personally was anti-Semitic, it was just the links that were in your comments that troubled me. If you inadvertently copied these links (maybe just reflexively Dr. Strangelove style or the cat walked across the keyboard at the time) I can understand. I now reject my previous insinuation of racism as I am sure you like some races or religions (take your pick) and those that you have issues with can be tolerated as long as they agree with your views.
You also seem to have major issues with Chabad and in particular some of the pronouncements of Rabbi Schneerson. You may have heard that he shuffled off this mortal coil almost 20 years ago. If he is ever resurrected I will invite you to the party and you can chastise him accordingly (I will probably join you in the chastisement).
On this topic, I know it will shock Chris, but most if not all , religions are exclusive clubs where the believers will go to heaven while the heathen who believe in the false gods of other religions are consigned to hell.
I take solace, that as an equal opportunity true non-believer of any religion, I will be consigned to hell by all religions (including the Jews). I have heard (admittedly its only hearsay) that they party well there.
Returning to a more serious topic (several comments back) regarding Chris’s claims about economic development vis-a- vis Israel and the US. He tries to make a point that Israel’s growth vastly exceeded the US growth in the years 2007-11 and blames Israel for the poor performance of the US economy during this period.
This is along bow to stretch. Chris might have heard (bit it appears not) that the US was in recession due to multiple factors such as failure of government regulation, bank failures, mortgage defaults that led to the demise of Fanny Mae, exchange swaps of loans and mortgages, hedge funds etc, etc. I suspect that Chris will go into default mode and blame it all on Jewish bankers anyway (you can get a full list on all those web-sites favoured by Chris). For those of this mentality , it will be just another case of rounding up the usual suspects, as it will be always the fault of the Jews.
Yes Chris there is a lot in our debate that is reminiscent of what was going on in parts of Europe some 80 years ago. As they say plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.
I know it may be hard to understand for people who cannot cope with complexity, but there may be other contributing factors that can be attributed to Israel’s above average economic performance, such as Israel’s proficiencies in the area of technology. Outside of China, Israel has more companies listed on the US NASDAQ technology index. Despite its small population it is no 16 on the list of number of patent applications in 2010. So in some sense Chris is right, the economic activities in the US and Israel are interwoven. For instance the computer Chris has written his comments on has, most likely, at its heart a processor designed by the Israeli design team in Haifa for Intel. He may need to check whether his computer is an Intel based Mac Intel or Windows based. If it’s Windows then there is a small chance it’s an AMD CPU which is not of Israeli design. Otherwise, if I was in Chris’s position, in the spirit of the BDS, I would play it safe . For your next (eagerly awaited -NOT) instalment choose a typewriter (don’t use an Adler as that sounds a bit suspicious – Remington is a safer choice).
One other of Chris’s comments is again quite right , Australia’s growth rate has also greatly exceed exceeded the average growth rate of advanced economies. Is this also due to the influence of Jews, Zionists, Chabad etc. and likewise is it also at the expense of the US?
In summary If I am eve asked to provide a reference for Chris’s application as a Fulbright fellow in comparative international economics I am afraid I might not be able to provide a glowing reference.
Finally we return to the original theme of Mossad agents etc. after another detour through less salubrious parts of the Internet. This penetrating discourse has caused me to metaphorically disrobe and reveal my true identify. Yes I am Mossad agent 13, reporting directly to my boss, agent 86.
Likewise from our correspondence I suspect that you are not who you say you are, but your real identity is that of Brother Nathanael from the unintentionally hilarious web-site http://www.realjewnews.com who seems to share all your views regarding Jews. Nathaniel (aka Chris) look quite fetching in his robes. Who’s his/your tailor?
p.s.
Maybe Chris rather than venting your spleen, take out your rage on your computer with an axe. I believe it is particularly cathartic.
Have a nice Easter and all the best for the festive season.
by Mike R on Mar 14, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Just an additional comment to add to the above.After a moment of quiet introspection I have switched from facetiousness mode into serious mode.
I am not a great fan of the current Israeli government. I particularly detest the way the right wing extremists of the government along with the settler movement that deplorably treats the Palestinians of the occupied territories. Maybe one day if reason rather than emotion gains sway there might be a possibility of two secure states that coexist that satisfy the aspirations of both sides. If anyone from right- wing of the Israeli spectrum were to fill the comments section with one sided extreme rhetoric I would condemn their views and suggest they are totally counterproductive to reasonable debate.
I have similar feelings when I see the same one-sided rhetoric from the extreme left or right that oppose the state of Israel (it can be hard to tell from which direction they come from because of the similarity of the arguments). What particularly galls is when anti-Zionism shows its illegitimate uglier face with hatred of Jews or some subset of Jews because they might support the existence of a Jewish state.
Therein lies my problem with Chris whose credibility was shot when he recycled age old mythology with links to unsavoury sites. Chris fell at the first hurdle when he linked to a clearly anti-Semitic site and again at the second hurdle when he linked to a site that superficially appeared to be less venomous, but in its zeal accused almost everyone in Washington as being Jewish or in the pocket of the Jews with little evidence to support this. A list of a influential Jews (exuding the ones upon examination are clearly not Jewish) does not make a conspiracy to subvert the U.S..
I think I will retire (not out) from the debate as clearly Chris is only interested in inflammatory rhetoric. The Mid-East debate hardly needs more of that.
by Mike R on Mar 14, 2013 at 11:10 pm
Its really good that you have switched from facetiousness mode into serious mode. It might have been the place to start. It is not me who has fallen, it is you who have retired hurt exposed as being someone more interested in trying to demonstrate your own moral superiority and playing facetious word games rather than engaging seriously from the get go on the most crucial issue of our times.
You seem to be under some naïve impression that the Zionism which drove the establishment of the State of Israel is something akin to the Italian nationalism of Mazzini. It has been anything but.
Zionist leader Vladimir Jabotinsky in his 1923 book, the Iron Wall, wrote:
“Zionist colonization must either be terminated or carried out against the wishes of the native population… A voluntary reconciliation with the Arabs is out of the question… for without armed force colonization is impossible….Zionism is a colonization adventure. It is important to speak Hebrew but more important to be able to shoot.”
Albert Einstein and some other concerned Jews wrote a letter to the New York Times in 1948 decrying the leader of the Irgun terrorists Menachem Begin as having openly preached the doctrine of the Fascist State the letter described Deir Yassin as follows:
“on April 9, terrorist bands attacked this peaceful village, which was not a military objective in the fighting, killed most of its inhabitants – 240 men, women and children and kept a few of them alive to parade as captives through the streets of Jerusalem…the terrorists, far from being ashamed of their act were proud of this massacre”
The true horror however, really only started to emerge later. After his retirement in 1972, Israeli Haganah officer, Colonel Meir Pa’el, said this about Deir Yassin in a major Jewish publication:
“The Irgun and LEHI men came out of hiding and began to ‘clean’ the houses. They shot whoever they say, women and children included, the commanders did not try to stop the massacre…they were taken to the quarry between Deir Yassin and Giv’at Shau, and murdered in cold blood.” (‘Yediot Ahronot’, 4 April 1972)
The commander of the Haganah unit that controlled Deir Yassin after the massacre Zvi Anfori, said this in the Israel newspaper ‘Davar’: “I went into six to seven houses. I saw cut off genitalia and women’s crushed stomachs. According to the shooting signs on the bodies, it was direct murder.” (9 April 1982).
You fell at the first hurdle when you rudely, sanctimoniously and reflexively fell for the latest version of Godwin’s law – that law which indicates that you’ve lost an argument as soon as you accuse someone of being like Hitler. Accusing me of being racist and anti-Semitic when all I did was to demonstrate factually that hateful Talmudic Judaism was exercising extraordinary levels of influence in the US. You could have legitimately sought to challenge the significance of this influence and we could have debated that without rancour but, no, you had to declare to the world that by virtue of your superior moral qualities you could smell the odour of a racist.
You ignored the evidence I provided and selectively became indignant that one of the sources for a list of Jewish influence was contaminated even though it does no more reflct similar lists on sites such as Wikipedia.
I showed that there were very significant connections between C-L and senior powerbrokers in the US such as Michael Chertoff and Rahm Emmanuel and others. For your part you were unable to show me another extremist group with similar influence.
I had the horrific un-PC temerity to argue that this influence cannot be quarantined from the broader support given to Israel by the larger Jews in America. I noted this took several forms, at one extreme, some Jews used their controlling positions to exploit the atavistic hatred of Christians. In doing so they show themselves to be purveyors of C-L’s Talmudic hatred of the goy, in another guise, but completely undiluted. Then there were Jews like Joel Stein who revel in the control which Jews exercise and are completely unabashed about their influence. And finally, I argued while the extent of Jewish control over the US media means that many ordinary Jews don’t themselves understand the way in which they are manipulated, there is nonetheless a direct correlation between the failure of ordinary Jews to challenge the horrific things done in their name by the State of Israel which by the evidence of its viciousness against its Arab neighbours particularly the Palestinians and the Lebanese, show itself to be driven by biblical hatreds.
There is no reason to be prejudiced against Jews for their ethnicity – to do so is racist.
Fortunately, Jews don’t have to be Zionists. On the other
hand however, any person who is a Zionist is a supporter of a Talmudic agenda whether they be ethnically Jewish or not.
Hating the holders of such Talmudic supremacist notions is not racism – it is anti-racism.
I will leave the last word to Israeli historian Aryeh Yitzhaki, “The time has come” he wrote “for a generation has passed, and it is now possible to face the ocean of lies in which we were brought up. In almost every conquered village in the [Israeli] war of independence, acts were committed, which are defined as war crimes, such as indiscriminate killings, massacres and rapes. I believe that such things end by surfacing. The only question is how to face such evidence.’ (ref: Erlich, G, Not only Deir Yassin, Hebrew Daily Ha’ir, 6 May 1992.)
In the 21 years since he wrote this the Israeli government and yes the US govenrment and its Zionist controlled media have prevented a genuine examination of the hatred which informs Israeli policy. If Jews don’t want to be complicit in Israel’s crimes they need to start speaking out about it in greater numbers.
by Chris Williams on Mar 17, 2013 at 12:38 pm