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	<title>Comments on: PromiseWatch 2013: what they&#8217;ve pledged with 226 days to go</title>
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		<title>By: Hamis Hill</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/01/31/promisewatch-2013-what-theyve-pledged-with-226-days-to-go/comment-page-1/#comment-236142</link>
		<dc:creator>Hamis Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 06:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Policies aside, Andrew, there is only one ubiquitous political sub-cultural group in Australia with the established organisational capacity to co-ordinate a conspiracy amongst politicians, police and journalists such as has been executed in the Thomson arrest.
The same capacity for secrecy and cover-up as was displayed in that community&#039;s failure to protect its own children from pervert priests.
Hard to see how the rest of the Western World can be any longer kept in ignorance of this sorry and long ingrained aspect of Australian politics.
This sub-culture is notorious for having its capacity for self-awareness continually blunted by the demonisation of any and all of their neighbours (enemies?) by the crass and all encompassing xenophobia of its religious leaders.
The world is watching and there is nowhere to hide.
Non comprende? see previous comment on  blunted self-awareness.
Isn&#039;t there a Guardian on the way?
As Paul said: &quot;all that is evil fears the light&quot;.
So censor away!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Policies aside, Andrew, there is only one ubiquitous political sub-cultural group in Australia with the established organisational capacity to co-ordinate a conspiracy amongst politicians, police and journalists such as has been executed in the Thomson arrest.<br />
The same capacity for secrecy and cover-up as was displayed in that community&#8217;s failure to protect its own children from pervert priests.<br />
Hard to see how the rest of the Western World can be any longer kept in ignorance of this sorry and long ingrained aspect of Australian politics.<br />
This sub-culture is notorious for having its capacity for self-awareness continually blunted by the demonisation of any and all of their neighbours (enemies?) by the crass and all encompassing xenophobia of its religious leaders.<br />
The world is watching and there is nowhere to hide.<br />
Non comprende? see previous comment on  blunted self-awareness.<br />
Isn&#8217;t there a Guardian on the way?<br />
As Paul said: &#8220;all that is evil fears the light&#8221;.<br />
So censor away!</p>
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		<title>By: K.D. Afford</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/01/31/promisewatch-2013-what-theyve-pledged-with-226-days-to-go/comment-page-1/#comment-236114</link>
		<dc:creator>K.D. Afford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 04:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The pricing of a carbon tax however it was parodied was a step forward to a better future. Now, with buckets of money about to be poured into the Liberal Party and with its removal (IF they get control of Parliament) it will be ten steps backwards.
 We should all be very frightened of the Libs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The pricing of a carbon tax however it was parodied was a step forward to a better future. Now, with buckets of money about to be poured into the Liberal Party and with its removal (IF they get control of Parliament) it will be ten steps backwards.<br />
 We should all be very frightened of the Libs.</p>
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		<title>By: Hamis Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hamis Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 03:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will those cranes over cities turn into &quot;Storks over Cities&quot; with a re-run of Costello&#039;s Baby Bonus.
You know, the policy that deliberately barren women do not understand?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will those cranes over cities turn into &#8220;Storks over Cities&#8221; with a re-run of Costello&#8217;s Baby Bonus.<br />
You know, the policy that deliberately barren women do not understand?</p>
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		<title>By: michael r james</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael r james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 08:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moderated!  Here is an extract of longer post. The link to the Shanahan article is still good. ((theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillards-carbon-price-promise/story-fn59niix-1225907522983/))

[But here is the very first sentence written by &lt;b&gt;Paul Kelly and Dennis Shanahan &lt;/b&gt; in that now infamous front page article  on the Friday before the election:
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&quot;JULIA Gillard says she is prepared to legislate a carbon price in the next term.&quot;
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And later in the same article:
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&quot;She would legislate the carbon price next term if sufficient consensus existed.&quot;
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Pretty clear? Crystal! And that is what Labor are now proposing having achieved that consensus with the Greens. It was pretty clear to the News Ltd duo that they made it their lead sentence! Then repeated it.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moderated!  Here is an extract of longer post. The link to the Shanahan article is still good. ((theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillards-carbon-price-promise/story-fn59niix-1225907522983/))</p>
<blockquote><p>But here is the very first sentence written by <b>Paul Kelly and Dennis Shanahan </b> in that now infamous front page article  on the Friday before the election:<br />
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&#8220;JULIA Gillard says she is prepared to legislate a carbon price in the next term.&#8221;<br />
.<br />
And later in the same article:<br />
.<br />
&#8220;She would legislate the carbon price next term if sufficient consensus existed.&#8221;<br />
.<br />
Pretty clear? Crystal! And that is what Labor are now proposing having achieved that consensus with the Greens. It was pretty clear to the News Ltd duo that they made it their lead sentence! Then repeated it.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: michael r james</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael r james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 08:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>frey &amp; Arty.

It doesn&#039;t matter how many times it is pointed out the MSM continues to take the distorted line. I have pointed it out in Crikey several times, example below. The link to the Shenanigan article still works. Equally it doesn&#039;t excuse Gillard from political ineptitude by making a totally unnecessary and clumsy hostage to fortune, especially as in the last week (or last day!) it was not going to convert a single voter.

[(crikey.com.au/2011/02/25/a-carbon-rod-for-labors-back/)
Friday, 25 February 2011
24. A carbon rod for Labor&#039;s back
Carbon trading:
Michael R. James writes: Re. &quot;Gillard and the Greens unveil a fixed carbon price&quot; 
.....
.
But here is the very first sentence written by Paul Kelly and Dennis Shanahan in that now infamous &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillards-carbon-price-promise/story-fn59niix-1225907522983/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; front page article &lt;/a&gt;, on the Friday before the election:
.
&quot;JULIA Gillard says she is prepared to legislate a carbon price in the next term.&quot;
.
And later in the same article:
.
&quot;She would legislate the carbon price next term if sufficient consensus existed.&quot;
.
Pretty clear? Crystal! And that is what Labor are now proposing having achieved that consensus with the Greens. It was pretty clear to the News Ltd duo that they made it their lead sentence! Then repeated it.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>frey &amp; Arty.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter how many times it is pointed out the MSM continues to take the distorted line. I have pointed it out in Crikey several times, example below. The link to the Shenanigan article still works. Equally it doesn&#8217;t excuse Gillard from political ineptitude by making a totally unnecessary and clumsy hostage to fortune, especially as in the last week (or last day!) it was not going to convert a single voter.</p>
<blockquote><p>(crikey.com.au/2011/02/25/a-carbon-rod-for-labors-back/)<br />
Friday, 25 February 2011<br />
24. A carbon rod for Labor&#8217;s back<br />
Carbon trading:<br />
Michael R. James writes: Re. &#8220;Gillard and the Greens unveil a fixed carbon price&#8221;<br />
&#8230;..<br />
.<br />
But here is the very first sentence written by Paul Kelly and Dennis Shanahan in that now infamous <a href="http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillards-carbon-price-promise/story-fn59niix-1225907522983/" rel="nofollow"> front page article </a>, on the Friday before the election:<br />
.<br />
&#8220;JULIA Gillard says she is prepared to legislate a carbon price in the next term.&#8221;<br />
.<br />
And later in the same article:<br />
.<br />
&#8220;She would legislate the carbon price next term if sufficient consensus existed.&#8221;<br />
.<br />
Pretty clear? Crystal! And that is what Labor are now proposing having achieved that consensus with the Greens. It was pretty clear to the News Ltd duo that they made it their lead sentence! Then repeated it.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Pedantic, Balwyn</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/01/31/promisewatch-2013-what-theyve-pledged-with-226-days-to-go/comment-page-1/#comment-235976</link>
		<dc:creator>Pedantic, Balwyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 07:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When will the media actually reflect on Tony Abbott&#039;s continuous arguments that take us back in time, like the days of Howard, before the financial world changed, scientifically proven climate change or the mumsy world of Queen and Country.There are many more examples.
   
Sadly Labor is completely unable to exploit his lack of future thinking, though maybe Ms Gillard in her speech to the press club has caught on?
Australia&#039;s future is dependent upon being completely independent, with our own Head of State, within the Commonwealth for those who don&#039;t want too much change! It is dependent on fairly sharing the wealth from mining and 
using its genius to find solutions to provide cheap power without pollution. 
However, is there a political party to take up that cause?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When will the media actually reflect on Tony Abbott&#8217;s continuous arguments that take us back in time, like the days of Howard, before the financial world changed, scientifically proven climate change or the mumsy world of Queen and Country.There are many more examples.</p>
<p>Sadly Labor is completely unable to exploit his lack of future thinking, though maybe Ms Gillard in her speech to the press club has caught on?<br />
Australia&#8217;s future is dependent upon being completely independent, with our own Head of State, within the Commonwealth for those who don&#8217;t want too much change! It is dependent on fairly sharing the wealth from mining and<br />
using its genius to find solutions to provide cheap power without pollution.<br />
However, is there a political party to take up that cause?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark from Melbourne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark from Melbourne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 05:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about:

COAL:
Paid Parental Leave
No new taxes (which would exclude a levy I would argue)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about:</p>
<p>COAL:<br />
Paid Parental Leave<br />
No new taxes (which would exclude a levy I would argue)</p>
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		<title>By: Arty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 05:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>frey is correct.  It was printed in The Australian in the election week.  I found it in the archives, but it disappeared from the archives after I told a few people about it.

Was I lucky or unlucky?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>frey is correct.  It was printed in The Australian in the election week.  I found it in the archives, but it disappeared from the archives after I told a few people about it.</p>
<p>Was I lucky or unlucky?</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 05:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love how Abbott intends to cut red tape by getting public servants to spend more time dealing with new red tape and less time doing real work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love how Abbott intends to cut red tape by getting public servants to spend more time dealing with new red tape and less time doing real work.</p>
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		<title>By: klewso</title>
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		<dc:creator>klewso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 04:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about removing the gaffe tape on Abbott&#039;s mouth - come interview/questions time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about removing the gaffe tape on Abbott&#8217;s mouth - come interview/questions time?</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Clifton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Clifton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 02:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Julia promised that a ALP govt led by her would not introduce a carbon tax.  But there was no such govt; instead a coalition govt with the Greens introduced it.  For that we must thank the Greens.

If we really want to significantly reduce carbon emissions we need someone to promise to introduce nuclear electricity.  Perhaps Julia could promise that a Labor-Green coalition led by her would not ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Julia promised that a ALP govt led by her would not introduce a carbon tax.  But there was no such govt; instead a coalition govt with the Greens introduced it.  For that we must thank the Greens.</p>
<p>If we really want to significantly reduce carbon emissions we need someone to promise to introduce nuclear electricity.  Perhaps Julia could promise that a Labor-Green coalition led by her would not &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: frey</title>
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		<dc:creator>frey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 02:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you really want a promise watch, you should at least get the promise correct initially rather than just regurgitating the opinion of the opposing party.

Specifically, you should review your statements regarding the Carbon Tax.

The Prime Minister’s actual statement was &quot;there will be no carbon tax under the government I lead, but I am determined to put a price on carbon”

Despite the nonsense spouted by the coalition and most of the MSM, what has been implemented is a price on carbon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you really want a promise watch, you should at least get the promise correct initially rather than just regurgitating the opinion of the opposing party.</p>
<p>Specifically, you should review your statements regarding the Carbon Tax.</p>
<p>The Prime Minister’s actual statement was &#8220;there will be no carbon tax under the government I lead, but I am determined to put a price on carbon”</p>
<p>Despite the nonsense spouted by the coalition and most of the MSM, what has been implemented is a price on carbon.</p>
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