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	<title>Comments on: Quiet, please! Grunting tennis players are simply cheating</title>
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		<title>By: blackdog</title>
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		<dc:creator>blackdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 03:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>blaggers, you sound a little convincing, except that you are forgetting two things.  

One is that the sound/out breath can become a habit solely to prevent competitors holding their breath (or breathing IN).  In weight training, you ALWAYS breathe OUT while lifting the weight and IN when lowering the weight.  Holding your breath is especially a no no even for injuries I think.  Secondly, most sporting maneuvers have a particular chain of events where you require the muscles to tense and then relax in the best order for greatest efficiency/speed/power.  

I can easily use a boxing punch because I have been a professional fighter and also a qualified trainer and strength/conditioning trainer.  The timing of when muscles are active enables greater speed at the point of impact...you will never throw a punch with as much power if your hand is clenched throughout the entire punch, as you will if you start at the floor with your feet, pivot through the action, engage your abs, then shoulder, then arms and lastly hand snapping to a clenched fist (not to mention the build-up of lactic acid in muscles that are engaged unnecessarily and for too long).  Imagine throwing a ball, when do you engage what muscles and for how long?

Secondly, in line with what I just mentioned, if you are constantly engaging you abs/pecs in with that prolonged grunt/scream...what does this do to your body?  If Azarenka is still shrieking well after completing a tennis stroke, her abs are still engaged - how does this help her prepare her body for its next action?  I would argue that it actually messes up her preparedness for another action.

Funny that they are both (ie Azarenka/sharapova) both elite players of the game - I&#039;d love to know how well they would do if they weren&#039;t cheating!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>blaggers, you sound a little convincing, except that you are forgetting two things.  </p>
<p>One is that the sound/out breath can become a habit solely to prevent competitors holding their breath (or breathing IN).  In weight training, you ALWAYS breathe OUT while lifting the weight and IN when lowering the weight.  Holding your breath is especially a no no even for injuries I think.  Secondly, most sporting maneuvers have a particular chain of events where you require the muscles to tense and then relax in the best order for greatest efficiency/speed/power.  </p>
<p>I can easily use a boxing punch because I have been a professional fighter and also a qualified trainer and strength/conditioning trainer.  The timing of when muscles are active enables greater speed at the point of impact&#8230;you will never throw a punch with as much power if your hand is clenched throughout the entire punch, as you will if you start at the floor with your feet, pivot through the action, engage your abs, then shoulder, then arms and lastly hand snapping to a clenched fist (not to mention the build-up of lactic acid in muscles that are engaged unnecessarily and for too long).  Imagine throwing a ball, when do you engage what muscles and for how long?</p>
<p>Secondly, in line with what I just mentioned, if you are constantly engaging you abs/pecs in with that prolonged grunt/scream&#8230;what does this do to your body?  If Azarenka is still shrieking well after completing a tennis stroke, her abs are still engaged - how does this help her prepare her body for its next action?  I would argue that it actually messes up her preparedness for another action.</p>
<p>Funny that they are both (ie Azarenka/sharapova) both elite players of the game - I&#8217;d love to know how well they would do if they weren&#8217;t cheating!!</p>
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		<title>By: mikeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 22:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monica Seles was the first great grunter so it&#039;s not a recent phenonema although it is much more common now. Azarenka is more a wail/screach so not sure if that counts as a grunt. As for adding power to a shot - well maybe for the real grunters, but I think it helps more with timing and mental composure than anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monica Seles was the first great grunter so it&#8217;s not a recent phenonema although it is much more common now. Azarenka is more a wail/screach so not sure if that counts as a grunt. As for adding power to a shot - well maybe for the real grunters, but I think it helps more with timing and mental composure than anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Blaggers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blaggers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 13:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope I can enlighten. 

Can we all agree that tennis has moved from a game of finesse to a game of power hitters? 

Let&#039;s take the most extreme case of a power sport we all know - weight lifting. Here it is almost expected that you grunt when lifting your body weight and then some over your head. Why do they do it? 

Try it out yourself right now. Go on, give a little grunt. What happens? Do you feel your stomach muscles tighten briefly? 

How about when you have that jar lid that just won&#039;t open? Do you give a little grunt on the second or third attempt trying to get to your prize? Why do it? 

To maximise your effort, that is to increase your power output, you need to employ more of your musculature. A Great deal of power is generated in the legs, and grunting helps to link in the abdominal chain and lower back. Yes, the arms swing the racquet and generate some power, but it is the lower chain that most power comes from. That&#039;s why players set their stance in preparation for a return, or lifting extraordinary weights above your head, or when opening a stubborn lid on a jar, and the grunting helps to exert that little bit more power. Ever noticed how the grunt and power is lessened when chasing a return rather than coming from a set stance?

I watched the women&#039;s final, and you may be surprised that even Li Na grunts when hitting her more powerful shots. Nothing like the Azerenka blow your house down grunt but a grunt none the less. 

One day, more skill may creep back into the game, but as it stands it&#039;s a baseline duel to the death. A power hitters, and hence a grunters paradise. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope I can enlighten. </p>
<p>Can we all agree that tennis has moved from a game of finesse to a game of power hitters? </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s take the most extreme case of a power sport we all know - weight lifting. Here it is almost expected that you grunt when lifting your body weight and then some over your head. Why do they do it? </p>
<p>Try it out yourself right now. Go on, give a little grunt. What happens? Do you feel your stomach muscles tighten briefly? </p>
<p>How about when you have that jar lid that just won&#8217;t open? Do you give a little grunt on the second or third attempt trying to get to your prize? Why do it? </p>
<p>To maximise your effort, that is to increase your power output, you need to employ more of your musculature. A Great deal of power is generated in the legs, and grunting helps to link in the abdominal chain and lower back. Yes, the arms swing the racquet and generate some power, but it is the lower chain that most power comes from. That&#8217;s why players set their stance in preparation for a return, or lifting extraordinary weights above your head, or when opening a stubborn lid on a jar, and the grunting helps to exert that little bit more power. Ever noticed how the grunt and power is lessened when chasing a return rather than coming from a set stance?</p>
<p>I watched the women&#8217;s final, and you may be surprised that even Li Na grunts when hitting her more powerful shots. Nothing like the Azerenka blow your house down grunt but a grunt none the less. </p>
<p>One day, more skill may creep back into the game, but as it stands it&#8217;s a baseline duel to the death. A power hitters, and hence a grunters paradise. </p>
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		<title>By: blackdog</title>
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		<dc:creator>blackdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aaaahhhhh, yaaarrrrr, hoooooaaaahhhhhh...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aaaahhhhh, yaaarrrrr, hoooooaaaahhhhhh&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: blackdog</title>
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		<dc:creator>blackdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This grunting, shrieking etc has only been part of the game the last few years hasn&#039;t it?  It is an obvious breaking of the rules, unbearable for spectators and should be banned. Some of these shrieks last until the opponent strikes the ball, this is ridiculous!  I&#039;m trying to think of sports where grunting helps physically and can&#039;t think of any??  I know in some sports (like boxing which I have been involved with) a short release of air/sound helps boxer keep relaxed which helps the muscles work for longer) but I think this is more about the short release of air rather than the noise.  Maintaining a shriek as long as Azarenka or Sharapova (I can&#039;t stand watching either of them due to their shrieking)would surely take MORE effort rather than relaxing one?  Might the whole ridiculous act turn into a karate display with the yelling before they hit the shot and yelling afterwards???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This grunting, shrieking etc has only been part of the game the last few years hasn&#8217;t it?  It is an obvious breaking of the rules, unbearable for spectators and should be banned. Some of these shrieks last until the opponent strikes the ball, this is ridiculous!  I&#8217;m trying to think of sports where grunting helps physically and can&#8217;t think of any??  I know in some sports (like boxing which I have been involved with) a short release of air/sound helps boxer keep relaxed which helps the muscles work for longer) but I think this is more about the short release of air rather than the noise.  Maintaining a shriek as long as Azarenka or Sharapova (I can&#8217;t stand watching either of them due to their shrieking)would surely take MORE effort rather than relaxing one?  Might the whole ridiculous act turn into a karate display with the yelling before they hit the shot and yelling afterwards???</p>
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		<title>By: oldsalt</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldsalt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2013 03:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heartfelt agreement with all those condemning this revolting practice. It certainly robs me of the pleasure of watching these superb athletes doing battle under intense financial pressure. Surely network engineers could filter out the squeals while leaving in the occaisional genuine grunt, thwack of ball and squeal of sandshoe?

I recall, as a youthful student of karate many years ago, a technique known then as &#039;ki-ya&#039; where one delivered a shout at the same time as the strike. This was meant to both un-nerve your opponent and, more importantly, help you concentrate greater power into your blow.  Perhaps someone actually expert in sports physiol. could enlighten us in this regard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heartfelt agreement with all those condemning this revolting practice. It certainly robs me of the pleasure of watching these superb athletes doing battle under intense financial pressure. Surely network engineers could filter out the squeals while leaving in the occaisional genuine grunt, thwack of ball and squeal of sandshoe?</p>
<p>I recall, as a youthful student of karate many years ago, a technique known then as &#8216;ki-ya&#8217; where one delivered a shout at the same time as the strike. This was meant to both un-nerve your opponent and, more importantly, help you concentrate greater power into your blow.  Perhaps someone actually expert in sports physiol. could enlighten us in this regard.</p>
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		<title>By: Blaggers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blaggers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2013 11:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and in implementing the Hinderance rule, the referees should use their power to ban the squeak coming from the shoes. Just as in the grunt, players use this noise to distract and hinder their opponents with incessant squeaking. I&#039;ve been to a few practice sessions and have not heard the squeak. Case closed.  The modern shoes are another tool in the players arsenal to help them cheat through weak implementation of the Hinderance rule. I personally cannot watch the tennis anymore with the volume on as the squeak coming from the shoes raises the hair on the back of my neck and I cannot concentrate on the fine play on show. I cannot imagine how distracting this must be for the players. I&#039;m sure it is a ploy by the shoe manufacturers to subliminally send messages to purchase their product. 

Not only should all noise emanating from the players been banned under the Hinderance rule, all bright clothing and footwear should also be considered a Hinderance. Wearing all these bright colours surely hides and hinders the opponents observation of the ball coming towards them. I could not concentrate properly on Federer&#039;s match as I was constantly distracted by his hot pink shoes and laces. I could not imagine having to play Federer in those  coloured shoes as my play would be hindered and I, let alone anyone else who plays him, would not be able to give him a proper run for his money.

These players are clearly rorting the system with their subtle yet indiscreet cheating. I now watch the tennis not only with the volume lowered, but in black and white just so I can concentrate on the game at hand...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and in implementing the Hinderance rule, the referees should use their power to ban the squeak coming from the shoes. Just as in the grunt, players use this noise to distract and hinder their opponents with incessant squeaking. I&#8217;ve been to a few practice sessions and have not heard the squeak. Case closed.  The modern shoes are another tool in the players arsenal to help them cheat through weak implementation of the Hinderance rule. I personally cannot watch the tennis anymore with the volume on as the squeak coming from the shoes raises the hair on the back of my neck and I cannot concentrate on the fine play on show. I cannot imagine how distracting this must be for the players. I&#8217;m sure it is a ploy by the shoe manufacturers to subliminally send messages to purchase their product. </p>
<p>Not only should all noise emanating from the players been banned under the Hinderance rule, all bright clothing and footwear should also be considered a Hinderance. Wearing all these bright colours surely hides and hinders the opponents observation of the ball coming towards them. I could not concentrate properly on Federer&#8217;s match as I was constantly distracted by his hot pink shoes and laces. I could not imagine having to play Federer in those  coloured shoes as my play would be hindered and I, let alone anyone else who plays him, would not be able to give him a proper run for his money.</p>
<p>These players are clearly rorting the system with their subtle yet indiscreet cheating. I now watch the tennis not only with the volume lowered, but in black and white just so I can concentrate on the game at hand&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David Hand</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Hand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article is why I haven&#039;t watched womens tennis for about 5 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article is why I haven&#8217;t watched womens tennis for about 5 years.</p>
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		<title>By: zut alors</title>
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		<dc:creator>zut alors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 07:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Robinw at 1.49pm I ceased watching when the grunt/shriek brigade infiltrated the game. 

These days I only watch when the players are courteous and abide by rule 26 - which means I see very little tennis. The game has been tainted and should be cleaned-up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Robinw at 1.49pm I ceased watching when the grunt/shriek brigade infiltrated the game. </p>
<p>These days I only watch when the players are courteous and abide by rule 26 - which means I see very little tennis. The game has been tainted and should be cleaned-up.</p>
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		<title>By: AR</title>
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		<dc:creator>AR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 07:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was surprised to hear a group of my mother&#039;s elderly friends criticising the yells as &quot;not &lt;i&gt;naice&lt;/i&gt;&quot; to hear coming from young women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was surprised to hear a group of my mother&#8217;s elderly friends criticising the yells as &#8220;not <i>naice</i>&#8221; to hear coming from young women.</p>
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		<title>By: floorer</title>
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		<dc:creator>floorer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 06:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So it&#039;s go Li Na.</description>
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		<title>By: Steve777</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve777</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 06:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mikeb @ 10

&quot;...although oddly enough you rarely hear it on the practice court&quot;

I think that&#039;s the dead giveaway, it&#039;s not physical exertion, it&#039;s a deliberate tactic. The referees rightly ask the spectators to be quiet. the same should go for the players.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mikeb @ 10</p>
<p><span class="dquo">&#8220;</span>&#8230;although oddly enough you rarely hear it on the practice court&#8221;</p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s the dead giveaway, it&#8217;s not physical exertion, it&#8217;s a deliberate tactic. The referees rightly ask the spectators to be quiet. the same should go for the players.</p>
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		<title>By: Andybob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andybob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 04:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was at the Federer/Tsonga quarter final, having not watched Tennis for a good while, and was surprised at Tsonga&#039;s grunting. He appears to be a minor offendor compared to some of the current crop.

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark if the Umpires cant apply the rules for fear of losing their jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at the Federer/Tsonga quarter final, having not watched Tennis for a good while, and was surprised at Tsonga&#8217;s grunting. He appears to be a minor offendor compared to some of the current crop.</p>
<p>Something is rotten in the state of Denmark if the Umpires cant apply the rules for fear of losing their jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: Venise Alstergren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Venise Alstergren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 04:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Serious Cricket lovers might like the following &quot;Chinaman&quot; : The Legend of Pradeep Mathew (Shehan Karunatilaka) G B 2011.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Serious Cricket lovers might like the following &#8220;Chinaman&#8221; : The Legend of Pradeep Mathew (Shehan Karunatilaka) G B 2011.</p>
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		<title>By: Gervase Greene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gervase Greene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 04:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Furious agreement with David Salter&#039;s fatwa on grunting tennis players. As far as I am concerned it is yet one more reason not to watch a game for which I have never had much sympathy. 
Unlike cricket, and there I take issue with Mr Salter&#039;s comments that a batsman might suffer a disadvantage if he were prevented from hearing &quot;the sound of a bouncer hitting the pitch&quot; as he would have &quot;trouble picking up the flight of the ball.&quot; 
I can assure Mr Salter if he waits that long he would indeed experience &quot;trouble&quot;. A really good bouncer will begin its journey at 160km/h. (Test standard, sure, but valid for this exercise). And that from only 20 metres away from the batsman - probably closer, given most effective bouncers involve a blatant over-stepping of the crease. 
The maths goes thus: a very hard ball travelling at 160km/h for all of 0.02 kms. The batsman has 0.36 seconds before it arrives, theoretically. Given the ball loses speed relatively quickly mid-flight, let&#039;s call it 0.5 seconds all-up. 
If Mr Salter&#039;s battsman is hoping the thud of the ball on the turf will provide useful information with which to fashion a response, it will be as nothing compared to the resounding bell-ringer he experiences when it finishes its fateful journey. 
Mr Slater does indeed have a valid point, but I think it is best left to the centre court. A batsman may well appeal against a fast bowler&#039;s audible exertion, but it will most likely be on his way back to the pavilion. Or lodged posthumously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Furious agreement with David Salter&#8217;s fatwa on grunting tennis players. As far as I am concerned it is yet one more reason not to watch a game for which I have never had much sympathy.<br />
Unlike cricket, and there I take issue with Mr Salter&#8217;s comments that a batsman might suffer a disadvantage if he were prevented from hearing &#8220;the sound of a bouncer hitting the pitch&#8221; as he would have &#8220;trouble picking up the flight of the ball.&#8221;<br />
I can assure Mr Salter if he waits that long he would indeed experience &#8220;trouble&#8221;. A really good bouncer will begin its journey at 160km/h. (Test standard, sure, but valid for this exercise). And that from only 20 metres away from the batsman - probably closer, given most effective bouncers involve a blatant over-stepping of the crease.<br />
The maths goes thus: a very hard ball travelling at 160km/h for all of 0.02 kms. The batsman has 0.36 seconds before it arrives, theoretically. Given the ball loses speed relatively quickly mid-flight, let&#8217;s call it 0.5 seconds all-up.<br />
If Mr Salter&#8217;s battsman is hoping the thud of the ball on the turf will provide useful information with which to fashion a response, it will be as nothing compared to the resounding bell-ringer he experiences when it finishes its fateful journey.<br />
Mr Slater does indeed have a valid point, but I think it is best left to the centre court. A batsman may well appeal against a fast bowler&#8217;s audible exertion, but it will most likely be on his way back to the pavilion. Or lodged posthumously.</p>
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		<title>By: thelorikeet</title>
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		<dc:creator>thelorikeet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 03:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe there should be a pecuniary element here. Every grunt or shriek is $100 off the prize money ($66 for the men, who get the some prizes for 3-5 sets as women for 2-3). At say 3 shots per point per rally  and 5 points per game and 10 games per set, a shriek on every hit is that $45k for a three setter. Proceeds to some suitable charity</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe there should be a pecuniary element here. Every grunt or shriek is $100 off the prize money ($66 for the men, who get the some prizes for 3-5 sets as women for 2-3). At say 3 shots per point per rally  and 5 points per game and 10 games per set, a shriek on every hit is that $45k for a three setter. Proceeds to some suitable charity</p>
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		<title>By: mikeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 03:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No matter how annoying it is I doubt that the grunting/wailing etc does distract an opponent. If it did they would be complaining about it. As I understand it the sound is used to psychologically help with timing of the hit - although oddly enough you rarely hear it on the practice court. A few of the men also grunt a lot but it is less annoying because of the lower pitch. As an aside - &quot;injury&quot; timeouts, esp prevalent amongst the women, should be looked at. That episode by Azarenka was a disgrace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter how annoying it is I doubt that the grunting/wailing etc does distract an opponent. If it did they would be complaining about it. As I understand it the sound is used to psychologically help with timing of the hit - although oddly enough you rarely hear it on the practice court. A few of the men also grunt a lot but it is less annoying because of the lower pitch. As an aside - &#8220;injury&#8221; timeouts, esp prevalent amongst the women, should be looked at. That episode by Azarenka was a disgrace.</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre de Chazal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pierre de Chazal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 03:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with David Salter&#039;s article on the loathsome practice of shrieking when hitting the tennis ball. It is clearly intended to distract the opponent and I am constantly amazed that umpires do nothing about it.

As I have no other control over it, my reaction is to cease watching a match in which systematic shrieking occurs - advertisers might take note and decline to advertise when players such as Azarenka are on court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with David Salter&#8217;s article on the loathsome practice of shrieking when hitting the tennis ball. It is clearly intended to distract the opponent and I am constantly amazed that umpires do nothing about it.</p>
<p>As I have no other control over it, my reaction is to cease watching a match in which systematic shrieking occurs - advertisers might take note and decline to advertise when players such as Azarenka are on court.</p>
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		<title>By: Arty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 03:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and let us not forget the deliberate time wasting.  If the 20 second rule was treated as a rule, there would be less need for matches to go beyond midnight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and let us not forget the deliberate time wasting.  If the 20 second rule was treated as a rule, there would be less need for matches to go beyond midnight.</p>
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		<title>By: Venise Alstergren</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/01/25/quiet-please-grunting-tennis-players-are-simply-cheating/comment-page-1/#comment-235449</link>
		<dc:creator>Venise Alstergren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 03:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS: At one stage it looked as if the women&#039;s finals would come down to Venus Williams versus Victoria Azarenka. The spectators would have needed to wear those orange noise mufflers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS: At one stage it looked as if the women&#8217;s finals would come down to Venus Williams versus Victoria Azarenka. The spectators would have needed to wear those orange noise mufflers.</p>
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		<title>By: Venise Alstergren</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/01/25/quiet-please-grunting-tennis-players-are-simply-cheating/comment-page-1/#comment-235448</link>
		<dc:creator>Venise Alstergren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 03:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DAVID SALTER: Could not agree with you more. Not only is the noise unbearable-I now refuse to go to, or switch onto the women&#039;s tennis-but don&#039;t players need to hear the sound of the opponent&#039;s racquet, as the ball comes off it, to help them decide which shot to play?

Maria Sharapova&#039;s vocal chords should be cut, and Victoria Azarenka sounds as if she is having a mini-orgasm every time she strikes the ball. It would be a great comedy skit, but, that&#039;s not what she&#039;s paid for.

Non withstanding the fact that a few of the men have started to grunt-the Spanish guy who played Federer in the quarter finals, being a case in point-it is almost revolting to watch as no one at the tennis seems at worried by this flagrant cheating. Three years ago there was a lot of spectator unrest. Today anything goes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DAVID SALTER: Could not agree with you more. Not only is the noise unbearable-I now refuse to go to, or switch onto the women&#8217;s tennis-but don&#8217;t players need to hear the sound of the opponent&#8217;s racquet, as the ball comes off it, to help them decide which shot to play?</p>
<p>Maria Sharapova&#8217;s vocal chords should be cut, and Victoria Azarenka sounds as if she is having a mini-orgasm every time she strikes the ball. It would be a great comedy skit, but, that&#8217;s not what she&#8217;s paid for.</p>
<p>Non withstanding the fact that a few of the men have started to grunt-the Spanish guy who played Federer in the quarter finals, being a case in point-it is almost revolting to watch as no one at the tennis seems at worried by this flagrant cheating. Three years ago there was a lot of spectator unrest. Today anything goes!</p>
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		<title>By: klewso</title>
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		<dc:creator>klewso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 03:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From media treatment, when Armstrong cheats and it&#039;s &quot;all hands on neck&quot;?
When these women trying for an unfair advantage over their opponents (to distract them) it&#039;s &quot;eveyone line up for a photo op&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From media treatment, when Armstrong cheats and it&#8217;s &#8220;all hands on neck&#8221;?<br />
When these women trying for an unfair advantage over their opponents (to distract them) it&#8217;s &#8220;eveyone line up for a photo op&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Spike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 02:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an idea! Tennis Australia/world /universe makes an ironclad rule: ANY noise,from a player loses that player one point. Agreed Steve777.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an idea! Tennis Australia/world /universe makes an ironclad rule: ANY noise,from a player loses that player one point. Agreed Steve777.</p>
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		<title>By: robinw</title>
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		<dc:creator>robinw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 02:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here, here!  I&#039;ve long stopped watching women&#039;s tennis because of the grunts and screams of the GruntALotOva&#039;s and her compatriots.  As far as I&#039;m concerned a pox on the game and I will never watch it again while the screamers are allowed to continue with their unfair behaviour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here, here!  I&#8217;ve long stopped watching women&#8217;s tennis because of the grunts and screams of the GruntALotOva&#8217;s and her compatriots.  As far as I&#8217;m concerned a pox on the game and I will never watch it again while the screamers are allowed to continue with their unfair behaviour.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve777</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve777</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 02:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t agree more. Tennis authorities really should crack down of the grunt. It&#039;s purpose is either to disguise the sound of the ball on the racquet or to put off the opponent. In either case it is cheating. Nothing like that would be tolerated in cricket, for example (bowler &#039;ahhhhhhh!!!!!&#039; and batsman &#039;weeeeeeeee!!!!&#039;). And it&#039;s so inelegant, as if the players belched or farted loudly or imitated a barnyard animal when they served or returned. It is not a natural consequence of exertion. It has only been the practice for the past 20 years or so. Greats of the past - Newcombe, Goolagong et al didn&#039;t do it. It should be stopped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more. Tennis authorities really should crack down of the grunt. It&#8217;s purpose is either to disguise the sound of the ball on the racquet or to put off the opponent. In either case it is cheating. Nothing like that would be tolerated in cricket, for example (bowler &#8216;ahhhhhhh!!!!!&#8217; and batsman &#8216;weeeeeeeee!!!!&#8217;). And it&#8217;s so inelegant, as if the players belched or farted loudly or imitated a barnyard animal when they served or returned. It is not a natural consequence of exertion. It has only been the practice for the past 20 years or so. Greats of the past - Newcombe, Goolagong et al didn&#8217;t do it. It should be stopped.</p>
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