Comments on: ‘But it was hot in 1790′: Lib backbencher refutes climate change

By: Achmed

Achmed — Sun, 20 Jan 2013 01:06:11 +0000

John - so there was never an ice-age etc…interesting.

And that’s why the right wing Liberals have a carbon reduction policy to combat it

By: John Hargrave

John Hargrave — Sat, 19 Jan 2013 10:33:10 +0000

There is no such thing as Climate Change!-It’s a product of a Left Wing, navel gazing, cave dwellers with nothing between their ears.

By: john byatt

john byatt — Sat, 19 Jan 2013 09:41:58 +0000

The Gergis paper as linked at WUWT gives rose hill as the place where the bats and birds dropped dead, two months later

By: floorer

floorer — Sat, 19 Jan 2013 07:39:01 +0000

I don’t know if there is a market for “earnest” but if there is an Crikey can bottle it maybe they can update their moderating software?

By: Steve777

Steve777 — Fri, 18 Jan 2013 12:20:57 +0000

‘Direct Action’ is a figleaf thrown together following the Coalition’s reneging on the deal they negotiated with the Government to support the ETS. This was before they realised that they could work with their business and media allies to spread enough disinformation to convince a large tranche of the electorate that it was all a socialist plot. Expect ‘Direct Action’ and the Coalition’s commitment to the bipartisan 5% emission reduction target to be quietly dropped should the Coalition win this year’s election.

By: Steve777

Steve777 — Fri, 18 Jan 2013 12:12:40 +0000

Klewso, your right, of course. The science is there - human activity has increased the concentration of a major greenhouse gas in the atmosphere by about 28% and counting. We don’t know the detailed effects this will have but they are unlikely to be benign. But they won’t kick in until beyond the typical 5 year contract of a senior executive of, say, an oil company, whose only concern is the bottom line. They are acting like Big Tobacco. Don’t these guys have grandchildren? Meanwhile, I think the honest position of many on the Right is that the cure to Global Warming looks too much like Socialism and they’ll take a few degrees warming. After all, it’s only the poor who’ll suffer, they’ll be OK.

By: klewso

klewso — Fri, 18 Jan 2013 05:34:22 +0000

Steve 777 - “plate tectonics” and “quantum theory” don’t come with a cost to the bottom line of wealthy, critical, fundamental constituencies like mining companies, with their self-interests ….. and party funding.

By: Mike Flanagan

Mike Flanagan — Fri, 18 Jan 2013 03:09:15 +0000

Ahmed;
“Direct Action” is to facilitate prevarication, not to react to climate change.
The char soils and funding of the polluter to remedy their ways has been debuncked by most of the reputable scientists as being totally inadequate to meet the challenge.
No, the Aggott’s policies are to bow to the demands of the Tea party clique pf Bernadi, Kormann, Abetz, Pyne and Hunt et al, that dominate his party’s support, and prevaricate in adopting any policy that may interfere with ‘business as usual’ and to hell with the rest of mankind.

By: Altakoi

Altakoi — Fri, 18 Jan 2013 02:16:57 +0000

Someone who doesnt see a distinction between occassionally insufferably hot and on fire, and always insufferably hot and on fire, is not a good candidate for high office.

By: Achmed

Achmed — Fri, 18 Jan 2013 01:08:08 +0000

Having noted on other blog sites that there has been an increase in the number of Abbott/Liberal supporters saying Direct Action will not be implemented I wonder if having a backbencher make the comments isn’t the thin end of the wedge.
We all know that Abbott has previously stated human influence on climate change is “crap” then he backflipped and came up with Direct Action. He also stated that the best way to price carbon would be with a tax. So is Direct Action just a ploy so he has a different position to Labor?
It will be interesting to see if the policy is removed before or after the election or if he actually does implement it. I look forward to the excuses and reasons that he could come up with for not implementing if he goes into the election with it as a policy.
If he goes to the election with Direct Action and then not implement it…would that mean he lied to the voters?

By: owlcode

owlcode — Fri, 18 Jan 2013 00:31:31 +0000

See they do care about boat people.

By: phil Marinus

phil Marinus — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 23:34:13 +0000

Well…. Lets look at some reality here…. Global warming is really happening and has done so from the last Ice Age.. and Humans have been going gangbusters at helping it along .

By: Mike Smith

Mike Smith — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 23:09:45 +0000

@OldSkool: Do not use the word believe, belief has no place in science, it’s all about religion. If OTOH, you’re saying AGW is an article of faith, you’re giving contrarians another stick to beat you with.

By: Mike Flanagan

Mike Flanagan — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 22:00:12 +0000

AR;
Cheap entertainment sir, cheap entertainment!
It is far better than the politically incorrect “Black and White Minstrals”.

By: AR

AR — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:10:14 +0000

LOG What puzzles me is less “where” do they find these people but “WHY?”.

By: oldskool

oldskool — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:03:14 +0000

So where does that leave me the atheist humanist pro gay marriage pro choice leftie subbie capitalist climate change sceptic recycling enthusiast who steps over ant trails? In a bind? Ha ha.

Do not use the word sceptic, as that is not what you are.

Why do you not believe in anthropogenic climate change? The facts are irrefutable- Carbon Dioxide is a green house gas, we are pumping vast amounts of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, there has been a marked increase in atmospheric, land and ocean temperatures- even at times where a solar minimum and volcanic activity indicate they should actually have lowered.

No reputable climate scientist will refute the notion that anthropogenic forcing accounts for a large percentage of the noted climate change.

Do not use the word sceptic, as your position is entirely not evidence based- at best you can call yourself a contrarian, but in actuality, you are ignoring the science and therefore in denial.

By: Mike Flanagan

Mike Flanagan — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:00:16 +0000

floorer;
As an aging leftie who is as indifferent about gay marriage as he is about colour, stamps on intruding ants and devotes his sceptism to his misgivings of the current expressions of human nature, and is perhaps an “agw ideologue”, I think we are both in a bloody pickle mate.

By: floorer

floorer — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 11:30:47 +0000

So where does that leave me the atheist humanist pro gay marriage pro choice leftie subbie capitalist climate change sceptic recycling enthusiast who steps over ant trails? In a bind? Ha ha.

By: Steve777

Steve777 — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 11:05:22 +0000

I think it’s utterly bizarre that one’s belief in climate change depends upon one’s politics. It’s as if you could choose whether or not you want to believe in quantum theory or plate techtonics depending upon whatever ideology you support. Of course religious fundamentalists often don’t believe in the latter.

But the evidence is there for anthropogenic global warming whatever people wish or believe. One heateave in 1790 or 2013 does not prove it one way or another but the weight of evidence accumulated round the world in the last few decades.

By: floorer

floorer — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 11:04:17 +0000

god help me you’re smug bunch

By: Achmed

Achmed — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 09:39:07 +0000

High temperatures have always been a feature of the north west. I take readings outside my office and regularly find they are well above the official temp for the area. The official reading are taken closer to the coast whereas I work further inland.
One thing that has been noted as unusual is the water temperature off Perth/southern areas of the Indian Ocean 4c above the norm.
If you had noted the Cyclone Narelle and how far south that moved, cyclones follow the hot water. The number of cyclones heading further south than I can recall has been happening over the last 7 years. (I’m 60 yr old and N/W resident for most of that time) Less and less are making landfall in what have always been recognised cyclone prone areas.
I don’t know if this is the result of natural climate change or man-made climate change…even the scientists can’t agree…but its a hell of risk to take by doing nothing. If those who don’t believe in man-made climate change have their way and we do nothing in 50? 100? years it could be to late.
It would be like ringing the insurance company to insure your house against fire after it has burned down

By: Mike Flanagan

Mike Flanagan — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 09:37:41 +0000

And I might add, after checking the Bills of Lading and supporting export documents the two of them were sent without warrantee.
Caviat Emptor mate!

By: Mike Flanagan

Mike Flanagan — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 09:23:46 +0000

The poms got rid of him and it won’t be long before the ‘septics’ are demanding a refund.

By: Mike Flanagan

Mike Flanagan — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 09:20:18 +0000

An export manager for what pray tell!!
Perhaps for our most direputable export, the murdochs ???

By: Serenatopia

Serenatopia — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 08:59:16 +0000

Kelly brings his extensive experience and qualifications as an export manager to science!