Comments on: IPCC chief calls for ‘sane voices’ in local climate debate

By: floorer

floorer — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 07:58:17 +0000

Hey Mike not offended, always a bit cut and thrust on agw threads. “Elucidate on agw ideology”. Please take it at face value.

By: Mike Flanagan

Mike Flanagan — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 05:58:58 +0000

You could elucidate on what you mean by “agw ideology”
Off course electricity prices will go up, just like any thing that that requires an energy source to bring it to the market and consumer.
We have built the whole system on the cheapest source of energy available, namely fossil fuels and our scientists are now imforming us of the consequences.
But major variations between states electricity pricing should be debated and brought to the attention of the voting public. South Aussies included.

By: Mike Flanagan

Mike Flanagan — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 05:39:55 +0000

Thanks Floorer;
I did misinterpret your earlier post after I have read your more recent offerrings.
I apolgise, sincerely if you took offence at for some of my rejoinder to your earlier post. But a little bit of clarity would help to avoid future misunderstandings.

By: Achmed

Achmed — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 05:17:17 +0000

I’m not a “fan” of the carbon reduction plans of either Party. Govt should be putting money into R&D. Develop the technologies to reduce carbon emissions. Then make them available to Australian companies and sell the technology overseas to give a return on the investment in R&D. Australia has a fantastic record in the development of ground breaking technologies.
The CT does not encourage companies to develop the technology, all they do is pass the CT cost onto the comsumer.
Direct Action gives the polluters taxpayer money and we have seen the track record of how companies will abuse their access to taxpayer money.

By: floorer

floorer — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 05:04:54 +0000

My post at 24 wasn’t about climate change per se it was about the impact the agw ideology is having on utility prices. We in SA have near the dearest power prices in the world. Re the northern monsoon pershaps I should have written “readings”. The Age has been running a series of articles where the lateness of the monsoon was mentioned. Elsewhere I’ve seen mentioned deforestation in Indonesia (specifically Borneo) as an issue, this is where the monsoon originates. Less forest, less moisture rising into the atmosphere (do your own research). Re jetting into Hobart, I’ve heard cycle paths are already being organised for the next event. Seriously though the convention is held in one of the remotest cities in the world? Jets plus carbon emissions?

By: Achmed

Achmed — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 01:18:13 +0000

We have a problem with our current Liberal Premier. With the proposal to build a LNG plant at James Prices Point he has said that if the Traditional Owners can’t/won’t come to an agreement with the developers (Woodside) then he will confiscate the land. Also one of his chief advisors was previously on the board of — you guessed it — woodside.

By: Mike Flanagan

Mike Flanagan — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 01:00:08 +0000

Achmed; And without considering the effects on both the riverine biosphere or our artesian reservoirs. Most of the effected rivers flow SW and are replenishing channels for our artesian basins.I do hope that the relevant disciplines at QUT are keeping themselves and the public informed.
Queensland and NSW are going to be closely grided out with rusting pipes in five years time if we continue with ‘business as usual’ that our corporate leaders espouse. But the grid might be a valuable edition to our GPS, but will be of little other value with our reaction to the impacts our sciences are predicting.
Keep up your chin and the good fight for the alacrity that climate change seems to be arriving, all according to the science predictions, might shake the letharcy from all of our leaders to reflect on the longterm implications of their decisions and stop this raping of the common by ourselves and the satisfaction of our self imposed economic imperatives
It is time that all the sciences are at our decision tables

By: Achmed

Achmed — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 00:12:54 +0000

Mike - I have no doubt they will show up as pollutants. And its not just the local effect…we have seen the effect fertilisers are having on the Great Barrier Reef so I would suspect these pollutants will also effect the Reef.

By: Mike Flanagan

Mike Flanagan — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:49:06 +0000

Achmed;
We migh have to untangle that “bare” from my barb wire entanglement in the back paddock, on the way back.

By: Mike Flanagan

Mike Flanagan — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:01:35 +0000

Achmed;
Even the term “awe inspiring” does not do justice to that area’s impact on your soul, intellect and body.
We have the same problems on the northern half of the east coast with Gas Extraction, coal and manner other minerals in demand.
We have coal mines in Queensland that have only recently completed dewatering fron Cyclone Yasi, over two years ago.
The dewatering has been delivered to the local rivers and creeks. Coming from an open pit mines I stronly suspect that the water’s exposure to the open seams of coal will show up as dangerous pollutants in the near future.
It goes on and on mate with no sign that the powers behind this distruction have any sense of what they are going to deliver to future generation. Unfotunately I have to admit to myself…….NOR DO THEY BLOODY CARE.

By: Achmed

Achmed — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:34:17 +0000

I am lucky I live in a part of the country that defies description…I never feel I can find the words to describe its beauty, ruggedness.
All we need to do is stop the State Liberal Govt from opening up some very precious and sensitive area to mining and that type of destructive development.
They are planning a LNG plant at James Prices Point, a place that is significant to local aboriginals. And if you know of them they are also looking at a copper mine near the Horizontal Falls.

By: Mike Flanagan

Mike Flanagan — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 09:12:21 +0000

Achmed;
Thanks. But further to your previous post, I have been following with interest Cyclone Narelle from the east coast and your observation bear many truths that we should all be taking careful note of.
Keep up the good work, what ever you’re up to, for you are living in some of the finest and grandest country in the world. And that is not to say I don’t enjoy my own spot on the east coast Richmond Ranges.
Have a good one mate!

By: Achmed

Achmed — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 08:52:32 +0000

Mike 34 - thats why they invented gaffa or 100 mile per hour tape…..

By: Mike Flanagan

Mike Flanagan — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 07:40:35 +0000

2dogs;
Sorry mate, as wipe my mirth from my face.I got to win an occasional one, but you seem to be well in front.
Many of my attempts are sent back for refunds

By: Hamis Hill

Hamis Hill — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 05:25:30 +0000

Yes indeed, but being declared a denialist for merely confirming the observations of late onset monsoon temperature conditions does not exactly match the calls for sanity in the debate.
Religious mania is a reasonably generous explanation for such behaviour and is curable (but only after those so afflicted repent).
The pre-cautionary principle as outlined by Achmed should apply.

By: Achmed

Achmed — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 05:01:49 +0000

High temperatures have always been a feature of the north west. I take readings outside my office and regularly find they are well above the official temp for the area. The official reading are taken closer to the coast whereas i work further inland.
One thing that has been noted as unusual is the water temperature off Perth/southern areas of the Indian Ocean 4c above the norm.
If you had noted the Cyclone Narelle and how far south that moved, cyclones follow the hot water. The number of cyclones heading further south than I can recall has been happening over the last 7 years. (I’m 60 yr old and N/W resident for most of that time) Less and less are making landfall in what have always been recognised cyclone prone areas.
I don’t know if this is the result of natural climate change or man-made climate change…even the scientists can’t agree…but its a hell of risk to take by doing nothing. If those who don’t believe in man-made climate change have their way and we do nothing in 50? 100? years it could be to late.
It would be like ringing the insurance company to insure your house against fire after it has burned down.

By: Hamis Hill

Hamis Hill — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 04:59:16 +0000

If that is your reality David.

By: David Allen

David Allen — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 04:56:15 +0000

Ah well, I should know better I suppose. What a load of tosh!

By: Hamis Hill

Hamis Hill — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 04:29:14 +0000

Now Now David, read Achmed’s post.
Now, I have a witness to those private temperature readings, so what is your point beyond pea-brained indignation?
Those religious fanatics are renowned for treating their opponents as “Gaia” worshippers, indicating religion versus religion.
So Achmed’s verandah temperature exceeds your “Official” one, David. So his observations and mine are not “facts” then?
Yes the thermometer was not calibrated, homes not being expected to match the accuracies of clinical laboratories, in general there, David.
Again, do not exclude Floorers’ fact of late onset of the monsoon from the “heat” debate.
As for taking the bait, David, I’ll leave you to find your own way off the hook.
Now that religious fervour that denigrates the lived experience of the individual compared the quasi-divine infallibilty of the bureaucracy, et tu Davidus Fervourus?
Where did you go to school by the way?
Have you been baptised, how do we know that you factually even exist, so that we might give weight to your opinions?
Perhaps the explanation. David,is that your reality is different to my reality. Go on “deny” that it is so.

By: PhillipW

PhillipW — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 04:04:59 +0000

No temperature increase for 16 years but continued increase in carbon dioxide emissions suggests the null hypothesis should be preferred.

By: David Allen

David Allen — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 03:20:58 +0000

Hamis Hill said, “… up to the end of January that year the thermometer did not go below 50 degrees Celsius.”

Which, in typical denier fashion doesn’t quite reflect reality. Weather records are available on line from the Met office, Weatherzone etc. Katherine Council official records began in 1873. (BOM weather station 014902)

Highest January Max for Katherine is 41.1 deg C, 06 Jan
1960. Highest ever is 45.6, 14 Nov 1962.

The highest temperature ever recorded in Australia was 50.7 C (123.3 F) Oodnadatta, South Australia on the 2nd January, 1960.

Facts, Hamis, aren’t that hard to find. It was you banging on about religious fervour too, wasn’t it?

By: 2dogs

2dogs — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 01:52:00 +0000

Damnnit Mike, it is not fair that you are some 4 posts and 3 hours ahead of my thinking.

Again ironic how claims of “It is a financial burden”, “Temperature records are not accurate, my personal experience is” and (my personal favorite) “because they did not swim there they clearly do not believe in the science and are therefore frauds” are the very things that “sane and rational voices” need to talk over (now where is my copy of “The Australian).

By: Mike Flanagan

Mike Flanagan — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 01:12:35 +0000

Sorry.. That should read ‘according to his daddies’ laws of physics’

By: Mike Flanagan

Mike Flanagan — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 00:57:13 +0000

No they wouldn’t 2dogs. He has water penetrating holes in his feet now. He would sink like a bloody rock mate, accoding to the laws of physics.

By: Achmed

Achmed — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 00:41:56 +0000

As the north west of Aust moves through what is called the wet season we still wait for rain. Can only hope that the monsoons start moving south or we start getting cyclones and the accompanying rain.
Temperature on the verandah outside my office the temp was 53c.
Last real big good fall was around 7 years ago when we got 237mm in one day….