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	<title>Comments on: No schools crusade, kids just prefer a Christ-less Xmas</title>
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		<title>By: mikeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2012 22:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few fundamentalist randoms in Queensland (of course - where else would you expect) doesn&#039;t make the case. Mainstream Christian religions do not teach creationism. When I was a kid 50 years ago even the nuns taught that adam and eve &amp; genesis (etc) were symbolic rather than fact. There will always be rogues, as there are in any organisation - religious or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few fundamentalist randoms in Queensland (of course - where else would you expect) doesn&#8217;t make the case. Mainstream Christian religions do not teach creationism. When I was a kid 50 years ago even the nuns taught that adam and eve &amp; genesis (etc) were symbolic rather than fact. There will always be rogues, as there are in any organisation - religious or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Louise Foley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louise Foley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2012 09:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mikeb  evidence that’s what they are doing (teaching creationism) or I call troll.  http://www.news.com.au/national-old/creationists-hijack-lessons-and-teach-schoolkids-man-and-dinosaurs-walked-together/story-e6frfkvr-1225899497234</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mikeb  evidence that’s what they are doing (teaching creationism) or I call troll.  <a href="http://www.news.com.au/national-old/creationists-hijack-lessons-and-teach-schoolkids-man-and-dinosaurs-walked-together/story-e6frfkvr-1225899497234" rel="nofollow">http://www.news.com.au/national-old/creationists-hijack-lessons-and-teach-schoolkids-man-and-dinosaurs-walked-together/story-e6frfkvr-1225899497234</a></p>
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		<title>By: Watson Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Watson Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 06:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>holly wars or holy wars?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>holly wars or holy wars?</p>
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		<title>By: Hamis Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hamis Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 07:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It might have had something to do with the time of year, too cold and dark to actually do any work, but didn&#039;t the Emperor Canute (He had his own coinage with which to employ a standing army and comanded several kingdoms, ie emperor) who gave us the weekend off, Saturday afternoon and Sunday, also decree the thirty Days of Christmass as a holiday upon conversion to Christianity?
We know little Johnny, turncoat to his childhood Methodism, did his darndest to destroy the &quot;weekend&quot; bequeathed upon us by good old Canute, but which sorry set of batardes stole the thirty days of Christmass?
I&#039;ll bet that prick Abbortt&#039;s lot had something to do with it, just look what they&#039;re doing to democracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might have had something to do with the time of year, too cold and dark to actually do any work, but didn&#8217;t the Emperor Canute (He had his own coinage with which to employ a standing army and comanded several kingdoms, ie emperor) who gave us the weekend off, Saturday afternoon and Sunday, also decree the thirty Days of Christmass as a holiday upon conversion to Christianity?<br />
We know little Johnny, turncoat to his childhood Methodism, did his darndest to destroy the &#8220;weekend&#8221; bequeathed upon us by good old Canute, but which sorry set of batardes stole the thirty days of Christmass?<br />
I&#8217;ll bet that prick Abbortt&#8217;s lot had something to do with it, just look what they&#8217;re doing to democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: secondsoprano</title>
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		<dc:creator>secondsoprano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 07:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Arty,  I assume all the Christians will be turning up for work, and leaving the celebration to the Pagans, seeing as &quot;their&quot; celebration is &quot;Pagan-sourced&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Arty,  I assume all the Christians will be turning up for work, and leaving the celebration to the Pagans, seeing as &#8220;their&#8221; celebration is &#8220;Pagan-sourced&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Arty</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/12/18/no-schools-crusade-kids-just-prefer-a-christ-less-xmas/comment-page-1/#comment-232618</link>
		<dc:creator>Arty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 01:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t seem to be a lot of Christian charity attached to this issue on these pages.

Religious sourced holidays should be available only to card-carrying members of the subject religion.   Everyone else should turn up at work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t seem to be a lot of Christian charity attached to this issue on these pages.</p>
<p>Religious sourced holidays should be available only to card-carrying members of the subject religion.   Everyone else should turn up at work.</p>
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		<title>By: Deano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 01:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do feel that Chris&#039; articles are Crikey&#039;s version of a News Limited formulaic opinion piece that appeals to it&#039;s core supporter base regardless of quality.

Have an opinion that groups Christians and other religious positions together as one big homogenous threat. Ask a couple of students and parents whose position you already know regards the stated opinion. Write article, rinse and repeat at regular intervals.

This is disapointing as I think it falls well short of Crikey&#039;s independent minds and independent media position. Usually Crikey is prepared to create space for nuance in response to the main stream media&#039;s use of homogenous groupings on issues, not so much when it comes to Chris&#039; articles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do feel that Chris&#8217; articles are Crikey&#8217;s version of a News Limited formulaic opinion piece that appeals to it&#8217;s core supporter base regardless of quality.</p>
<p>Have an opinion that groups Christians and other religious positions together as one big homogenous threat. Ask a couple of students and parents whose position you already know regards the stated opinion. Write article, rinse and repeat at regular intervals.</p>
<p>This is disapointing as I think it falls well short of Crikey&#8217;s independent minds and independent media position. Usually Crikey is prepared to create space for nuance in response to the main stream media&#8217;s use of homogenous groupings on issues, not so much when it comes to Chris&#8217; articles.</p>
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		<title>By: paddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>paddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 10:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL Get it right Zut. 
Those Candy striped canes symbolise the blood of the baby cheeses and *Santa&#039;s* dandruff! 
Now THAT&#039;S a fact worthy of a year&#039;s sub to Crikey. 

Remember where you first read the FULL story folks.

Now I&#039;ll just be off to scoff the rest of those Xmas eggs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL Get it right Zut.<br />
Those Candy striped canes symbolise the blood of the baby cheeses and *Santa&#8217;s* dandruff!<br />
Now THAT&#8217;S a fact worthy of a year&#8217;s sub to Crikey. </p>
<p>Remember where you first read the FULL story folks.</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;ll just be off to scoff the rest of those Xmas eggs.</p>
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		<title>By: IC-1101</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/12/18/no-schools-crusade-kids-just-prefer-a-christ-less-xmas/comment-page-1/#comment-232563</link>
		<dc:creator>IC-1101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 08:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bunch of grinches.

It&#039;s a time off to enjoy the world without the stresses of work and life.  Yeah, some people have it tough and/or don&#039;t believe in it, but that doesn&#039;t make it any less a time to enjoy life and existence. That&#039;s the point!

Have fun on your day off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bunch of grinches.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a time off to enjoy the world without the stresses of work and life.  Yeah, some people have it tough and/or don&#8217;t believe in it, but that doesn&#8217;t make it any less a time to enjoy life and existence. That&#8217;s the point!</p>
<p>Have fun on your day off.</p>
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		<title>By: Kieran Crichton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kieran Crichton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 08:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Parents are quite right to reject the sanitised Christmas tableau.  It bears no relationship to the gritty and unsettling story found in the Bible, which is in itself quite unsuitable for children.  It involves inter-generational marriage, pregnancy out of wedlock, traveling long distances only to be rejected from bottom-of-the-pile accommodation, childbirth in squalid conditions, infanticide on a large scale, flight into refugee accommodation, visitation by strange men bearing ominous gifts, and generally hanging around with the scum of the earth.

Now, if a sanitised vision of Christmas cheer is under threat in schools, then I say good riddance.  It does irreparable harm because it represents an impossibly idealised vision of human happiness.  This time of year can be a pit of misery for many of us, and having to put a happy face on it only makes things worse.  Most of the non-religious carols we sing seem to be about a winter wonderland, which is strange given the general lack of snow at this time of year.  There are Australian Christmas carols, but who has the time to teach them in the age of NAPLAN?

Where I have a problem is the premise that sacred and secular are eternally separated spheres of influence.  This is patently not the case, as the presence of figures in our public life from Tony Abbott through to Peter Jensen and Jim Wallace demonstrates.  There is a predominance of a particular sort of religiosity among public figures, and this is a problem.  The main public face of religion at the moment is a very rigid and antagonistic one, and it can be very hard for people to see that this is not the end of the story.  Certain people get away with bandying around punitive ideas &#039;because the Bible says so&#039; only because the majority of people don&#039;t have the wherewithal to question it right to the very bottom.  This is very bad news for women, for gay people, indeed, for anyone who does not enjoy white hetero male privilege.  Unsurprisingly, it was the equivalent of the white hetero males of around 2,000 years ago who strang up some peasant from Galilee.

As far as Bible teaching and religious education in schools goes, I&#039;d say parents are absolutely right to run for cover when religion is used as a tool for ideology.  But they owe it to their children to see that they are culturally literate enough to be able to recognise the misuse of religion.  Religious illiteracy only makes it easier for the pious quacks to make converts and build influence.  They owe it to their children to make sure that they have enough of a handle to be able to beat the next generation of public fundamentalists of the world over the head with it.

The good news of Christmas is that in the middle of all the messiness of our lives we&#039;re not cut off from something greater.  What you call -- or don&#039;t call -- that something doesn&#039;t matter so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Parents are quite right to reject the sanitised Christmas tableau.  It bears no relationship to the gritty and unsettling story found in the Bible, which is in itself quite unsuitable for children.  It involves inter-generational marriage, pregnancy out of wedlock, traveling long distances only to be rejected from bottom-of-the-pile accommodation, childbirth in squalid conditions, infanticide on a large scale, flight into refugee accommodation, visitation by strange men bearing ominous gifts, and generally hanging around with the scum of the earth.</p>
<p>Now, if a sanitised vision of Christmas cheer is under threat in schools, then I say good riddance.  It does irreparable harm because it represents an impossibly idealised vision of human happiness.  This time of year can be a pit of misery for many of us, and having to put a happy face on it only makes things worse.  Most of the non-religious carols we sing seem to be about a winter wonderland, which is strange given the general lack of snow at this time of year.  There are Australian Christmas carols, but who has the time to teach them in the age of NAPLAN?</p>
<p>Where I have a problem is the premise that sacred and secular are eternally separated spheres of influence.  This is patently not the case, as the presence of figures in our public life from Tony Abbott through to Peter Jensen and Jim Wallace demonstrates.  There is a predominance of a particular sort of religiosity among public figures, and this is a problem.  The main public face of religion at the moment is a very rigid and antagonistic one, and it can be very hard for people to see that this is not the end of the story.  Certain people get away with bandying around punitive ideas &#8216;because the Bible says so&#8217; only because the majority of people don&#8217;t have the wherewithal to question it right to the very bottom.  This is very bad news for women, for gay people, indeed, for anyone who does not enjoy white hetero male privilege.  Unsurprisingly, it was the equivalent of the white hetero males of around 2,000 years ago who strang up some peasant from Galilee.</p>
<p>As far as Bible teaching and religious education in schools goes, I&#8217;d say parents are absolutely right to run for cover when religion is used as a tool for ideology.  But they owe it to their children to see that they are culturally literate enough to be able to recognise the misuse of religion.  Religious illiteracy only makes it easier for the pious quacks to make converts and build influence.  They owe it to their children to make sure that they have enough of a handle to be able to beat the next generation of public fundamentalists of the world over the head with it.</p>
<p>The good news of Christmas is that in the middle of all the messiness of our lives we&#8217;re not cut off from something greater.  What you call&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;or don&#8217;t call&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;that something doesn&#8217;t matter so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim nash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim nash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 07:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I celebrate having holidays.

No matter how you look at it, the two weeks holiday i am about to get put cheer on my face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I celebrate having holidays.</p>
<p>No matter how you look at it, the two weeks holiday i am about to get put cheer on my face.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerry Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 06:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Australia is now a secular country, I can see no reason for anyone other than Christians to celebrate Christmas.  To &#039;celebrate&#039; a festival that means nothing to you is just hypocrisy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Australia is now a secular country, I can see no reason for anyone other than Christians to celebrate Christmas.  To &#8216;celebrate&#8217; a festival that means nothing to you is just hypocrisy.</p>
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		<title>By: mikeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 05:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@seconsoprano - evidence that&#039;s what they are doing (teaching creationism) or I call troll.
@hugh - insulting me doesn&#039;t further your argument. Just shows a lack of imagination or intelligence - troll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@seconsoprano - evidence that&#8217;s what they are doing (teaching creationism) or I call troll.<br />
@hugh - insulting me doesn&#8217;t further your argument. Just shows a lack of imagination or intelligence - troll.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh (Charlie) McColl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh (Charlie) McColl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 05:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mikeb, if you want a nativity play, or better still a diorama, go to your local McDonalds.  Have the fries and little toys with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mikeb, if you want a nativity play, or better still a diorama, go to your local McDonalds.  Have the fries and little toys with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 04:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go jingle jangle on a sunny morning</description>
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		<title>By: zut alors</title>
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		<dc:creator>zut alors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 04:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Candy cane red stripes as the blood of Jesus? Classic! 

Just when you think they can&#039;t concoct any more weirdo stuff (eg: virgin birth) they produce fresh material. In the northern hemisphere snow must symbolise the dandruff of Jesus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Candy cane red stripes as the blood of Jesus? Classic! </p>
<p>Just when you think they can&#8217;t concoct any more weirdo stuff (eg: virgin birth) they produce fresh material. In the northern hemisphere snow must symbolise the dandruff of Jesus.</p>
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		<title>By: secondsoprano</title>
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		<dc:creator>secondsoprano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 04:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@mikeb &quot;since when do state primary schools teach creationism?&quot;

Since we let publicly funded untrained indoctrinators, aka &quot;scripture teachers&quot; and &quot;school chaplains&quot; loose on our unsuspecting progengy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mikeb &#8220;since when do state primary schools teach creationism?&#8221;</p>
<p>Since we let publicly funded untrained indoctrinators, aka &#8220;scripture teachers&#8221; and &#8220;school chaplains&#8221; loose on our unsuspecting progengy.</p>
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		<title>By: secondsoprano</title>
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		<dc:creator>secondsoprano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 04:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations for entirely missing the point shanghai.

The secular celebration IS Christmas for most Australians.  Sure it used to be a christian festival (for some it still is).  Before that, it used to be a pagan festival.   

Now, it&#039;s a time to rest, reflect, spend time with family &amp; friends, stop working, go to the beach, eat a lot, give presents, share a meal, celebrate family, friends and life.   Importantly, it&#039;s an opportunity to do that at the same time everyone else is doing it, because despite Thatcher&#039;s dire predictions there is still a thing called society.

If you are so inclined, you can go to church at Christmas.  Most people don&#039;t.  So what?   The rest of the tradition still has substantial meaning and value.   Babies and bathwater spring to mind at this point ... that or &quot;bah humbug&quot;.   Either way, I think you&#039;re wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations for entirely missing the point shanghai.</p>
<p>The secular celebration IS Christmas for most Australians.  Sure it used to be a christian festival (for some it still is).  Before that, it used to be a pagan festival.   </p>
<p>Now, it&#8217;s a time to rest, reflect, spend time with family &amp; friends, stop working, go to the beach, eat a lot, give presents, share a meal, celebrate family, friends and life.   Importantly, it&#8217;s an opportunity to do that at the same time everyone else is doing it, because despite Thatcher&#8217;s dire predictions there is still a thing called society.</p>
<p>If you are so inclined, you can go to church at Christmas.  Most people don&#8217;t.  So what?   The rest of the tradition still has substantial meaning and value.   Babies and bathwater spring to mind at this point &#8230; that or &#8220;bah humbug&#8221;.   Either way, I think you&#8217;re wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: zut alors</title>
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		<dc:creator>zut alors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 04:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;As one of my 15-year-old students put it: “By the time we’ve reached secondary college, we’re totally over classroom Christmas activities.” “Christmas,” another said, “is for little kids.”&#039;

Fine, in that case presents for little kids only - anybody over 10 years of age enters a No Gift Zone, let&#039;s prune this commercial travesty known as Christmas. Perfect. 

However, one suspects the dismissive 15 year-old will have his/her hand out for something on 25th. The latest i-phone perhaps...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="quo">&#8216;</span>As one of my 15-year-old students put it: “By the time we’ve reached secondary college, we’re totally over classroom Christmas activities.” “Christmas,” another said, “is for little kids.”&#8217;</p>
<p>Fine, in that case presents for little kids only - anybody over 10 years of age enters a No Gift Zone, let&#8217;s prune this commercial travesty known as Christmas. Perfect. </p>
<p>However, one suspects the dismissive 15 year-old will have his/her hand out for something on 25th. The latest i-phone perhaps&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mikeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 04:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Candy canes = blood of Jesus? That&#039;s a new one for me......and since when do state primary schools teach creationism? Even the nuns at my Catholic school didn&#039;t teach creationism. Maybe 100 yrs ago but certainly not in recent memory. Bring back the nativity plays and all the trimmings I say. No-one is forcing you to participate (&amp; if they do then they should be stopped). Christmas is too much of a $$fest as it is. Next McD or KFC will be sponsoring it - or even worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Candy canes = blood of Jesus? That&#8217;s a new one for me&#8230;&#8230;and since when do state primary schools teach creationism? Even the nuns at my Catholic school didn&#8217;t teach creationism. Maybe 100 yrs ago but certainly not in recent memory. Bring back the nativity plays and all the trimmings I say. No-one is forcing you to participate (&amp; if they do then they should be stopped). Christmas is too much of a $$fest as it is. Next McD or KFC will be sponsoring it - or even worse.</p>
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		<title>By: wilful</title>
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		<dc:creator>wilful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 03:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Merry Christmyth everyone. Our boy learnt last week (indirectly, he&#039;s not enrolled in CRE) that candy canes have red stripes on them to symbolise the blood of Jesus. This follows up the earlier claim that easter eggs are hollow to symbolise the cave of the resurrection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Merry Christmyth everyone. Our boy learnt last week (indirectly, he&#8217;s not enrolled in CRE) that candy canes have red stripes on them to symbolise the blood of Jesus. This follows up the earlier claim that easter eggs are hollow to symbolise the cave of the resurrection.</p>
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		<title>By: shanghai</title>
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		<dc:creator>shanghai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 02:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
Given that we prefer a &#039;Christless Christmas&quot; we obviously don&#039;t wish to continue with the tradition - hence - let&#039;s not screw around and play games. 
Drop Christmas as a holiday, save lots of money, and more importantly, keep business going thru the holiday season and improve productivity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
Given that we prefer a &#8216;Christless Christmas&#8221; we obviously don&#8217;t wish to continue with the tradition - hence - let&#8217;s not screw around and play games.<br />
Drop Christmas as a holiday, save lots of money, and more importantly, keep business going thru the holiday season and improve productivity.</p>
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