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	<title>Comments on: In Connecticut, it&#8217;s too calm and too practised</title>
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		<title>By: Guy Rundle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy Rundle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 15:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn&#039;t criticising the people who were mourning on the spot Anna. If you read the section you criticised with the elvel of diligence necessary to making a comment, you&#039;ll see that it was directed at the general media and the commentariat, not the parents, and the way in which US culture now simply manages such things - though that has changed in the past days. The opening section was uncritical. And as i said &#039;we all lost it&#039; - so your question as to whether I shed a tear or not was answered in the article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t criticising the people who were mourning on the spot Anna. If you read the section you criticised with the elvel of diligence necessary to making a comment, you&#8217;ll see that it was directed at the general media and the commentariat, not the parents, and the way in which US culture now simply manages such things - though that has changed in the past days. The opening section was uncritical. And as i said &#8216;we all lost it&#8217; - so your question as to whether I shed a tear or not was answered in the article.</p>
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		<title>By: Hamis Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hamis Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 13:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone remember Waco?
No acts of state tyranny to get the paranoids going?
The local militia must control the weaponry.
In the meantime, in Australia an uncontrolled private army of poorly vetted security guards, many with criminal records, is not a threat of tyranny?
With one vote Tony subverting his political party with a mob of politico-religious dementoids, trashing parliamentary conventions and supported by imbeciles who genuinely believe his political opponents are all &quot;Godless Communists&quot;, there is not much that complacent and over-proud Australians can offer their US cousins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone remember Waco?<br />
No acts of state tyranny to get the paranoids going?<br />
The local militia must control the weaponry.<br />
In the meantime, in Australia an uncontrolled private army of poorly vetted security guards, many with criminal records, is not a threat of tyranny?<br />
With one vote Tony subverting his political party with a mob of politico-religious dementoids, trashing parliamentary conventions and supported by imbeciles who genuinely believe his political opponents are all &#8220;Godless Communists&#8221;, there is not much that complacent and over-proud Australians can offer their US cousins.</p>
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		<title>By: floorer</title>
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		<dc:creator>floorer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 11:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Anna Kae.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Anna Kae.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Herbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Herbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 04:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Death by the gun is a constant partner of US culture at home and abroad.

How many of you are aware that in its  continuing illegally waged multiple wars (i.e. without the approval of the both House of Congress as necessary under its Constitution) since 1960, the good ol USA has killed/murdered more than 5 million UNARMED CIVILIANS i.e. men, women &amp; children...let&#039;s say that figure would conservatively be more than 1 million children.

More than 3 million unarmed civilians were murdered in Vietnam alone.

Anyone?

The USA is a broken society and this most unfortunate, and on a global basis comparatively minor event, will be replicated somewhere else acroos its homeland in the not too distant future.

Hell..one of Obama&#039;s drone hit list targets might kill 50 innocent men women &amp; children in the Middle East...I wonder if he weeps for them too...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Death by the gun is a constant partner of US culture at home and abroad.</p>
<p>How many of you are aware that in its  continuing illegally waged multiple wars (i.e. without the approval of the both House of Congress as necessary under its Constitution) since 1960, the good ol USA has killed/murdered more than 5 million UNARMED CIVILIANS i.e. men, women &amp; children&#8230;let&#8217;s say that figure would conservatively be more than 1 million children.</p>
<p>More than 3 million unarmed civilians were murdered in Vietnam alone.</p>
<p>Anyone?</p>
<p>The USA is a broken society and this most unfortunate, and on a global basis comparatively minor event, will be replicated somewhere else acroos its homeland in the not too distant future.</p>
<p>Hell..one of Obama&#8217;s drone hit list targets might kill 50 innocent men women &amp; children in the Middle East&#8230;I wonder if he weeps for them too&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: gerard</title>
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		<dc:creator>gerard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 01:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And... without strict gun control banning weapons this will likely happen again. Hundreds of millions of weapons around and sooner or later an arranged mind will act on impulses. That&#039;s why we should sign the dozens of petitions around joining the campaigns to change those silly gun laws in the US.
Please sign up and do something positive about it.
http://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/international-court-of-justice-at-the-hague-bring-the-us-pro-gun-senators-to-justice?share_id=UBGmqEEphw&amp;utm_campaign=mailto_link&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_source=share_petition</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And&#8230; without strict gun control banning weapons this will likely happen again. Hundreds of millions of weapons around and sooner or later an arranged mind will act on impulses. That&#8217;s why we should sign the dozens of petitions around joining the campaigns to change those silly gun laws in the US.<br />
Please sign up and do something positive about it.<br />
<a href="http://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/international-court-of-justice-at-the-hague-bring-the-us-pro-gun-senators-to-justice?share_id=UBGmqEEphw&#038;utm_campaign=mailto_link&#038;utm_medium=email&#038;utm_source=share_petition" rel="nofollow">http://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/international-court-of-justice-at-the-hague-bring-the-us-pro-gun-senators-to-justice?share_id=UBGmqEEphw&#038;utm_campaign=mailto_link&#038;utm_medium=email&#038;utm_source=share_petition</a></p>
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		<title>By: syzygium</title>
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		<dc:creator>syzygium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 01:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And, as the names came, in the bishop’s deep bass, we more or less lost it.&quot;

Anna, he did shed a tear or six. We all have. I believe Rundle was referring to the fact that everyone knew what had happened as soon as it happened - who the assailant was, what the weapon was, and how the scenario was playing out. Chilling also that the teachers went into &quot;lockdown&quot; mode because they were trained to expect something like this. In other words, unlike the attack on the Twin Towers, this was not something completely out of the norm and unexpected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="dquo">&#8220;</span>And, as the names came, in the bishop’s deep bass, we more or less lost it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Anna, he did shed a tear or six. We all have. I believe Rundle was referring to the fact that everyone knew what had happened as soon as it happened - who the assailant was, what the weapon was, and how the scenario was playing out. Chilling also that the teachers went into &#8220;lockdown&#8221; mode because they were trained to expect something like this. In other words, unlike the attack on the Twin Towers, this was not something completely out of the norm and unexpected.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Kae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna Kae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 00:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>too calm and too practised?

Really? Perhaps, Mr R you can enlighten us on how a parent and a community is supposed to act after twenty children have had their heads blown open with some 11 bullets each!!

I would question that what you witnessed was shock maybe?

Further more, while you thought of your literary piece did you even shed a tear when you were there? Did you speak with any of the bereaved parents?

Fortunately I can&#039;t believe you are as heartless as your piece makes you out to be.
 
Time and a place! It was a time for community mourning and I don&#039;t believe that such events should ever be held up to some journalist&#039;s perceived standards of how they should be run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>too calm and too practised?</p>
<p>Really? Perhaps, Mr R you can enlighten us on how a parent and a community is supposed to act after twenty children have had their heads blown open with some 11 bullets each!!</p>
<p>I would question that what you witnessed was shock maybe?</p>
<p>Further more, while you thought of your literary piece did you even shed a tear when you were there? Did you speak with any of the bereaved parents?</p>
<p>Fortunately I can&#8217;t believe you are as heartless as your piece makes you out to be.</p>
<p>Time and a place! It was a time for community mourning and I don&#8217;t believe that such events should ever be held up to some journalist&#8217;s perceived standards of how they should be run.</p>
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		<title>By: pritu</title>
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		<dc:creator>pritu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 22:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the past two days I have had the radio and tv off. The harlots that run these media have fine tuned the art of turning any act of horror into a means of emotionally milking their audiences, endlessly. It&#039;s beyond shameful. Using victims&#039; grief as &quot;reality tv&quot; show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the past two days I have had the radio and tv off. The harlots that run these media have fine tuned the art of turning any act of horror into a means of emotionally milking their audiences, endlessly. It&#8217;s beyond shameful. Using victims&#8217; grief as &#8220;reality tv&#8221; show.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 20:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good report . Unfortunately until neuroscience learns how to isolate unwanted traits and perform lobotomies we will be encumbered with people like this and the numerous others that wander society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good report . Unfortunately until neuroscience learns how to isolate unwanted traits and perform lobotomies we will be encumbered with people like this and the numerous others that wander society.</p>
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		<title>By: banistersmind</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/12/17/rundle-in-connecticut-its-too-calm-and-too-practised/comment-page-1/#comment-232428</link>
		<dc:creator>banistersmind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 11:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Sandy Hook Elementary School tragedy was an indescribable horror story. In the aftermath, I searched beyond the meaningless words on social media to find a tangible way to support the victims and their families. I found it.

http://www.deanfromaustralia.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Sandy Hook Elementary School tragedy was an indescribable horror story. In the aftermath, I searched beyond the meaningless words on social media to find a tangible way to support the victims and their families. I found it.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.deanfromaustralia.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.deanfromaustralia.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: TheFamousEccles</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheFamousEccles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 11:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well written, Mr Rundle. Though I simply feel sadder and even more futile. As a father of a young boy near the age of some, I am bereft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well written, Mr Rundle. Though I simply feel sadder and even more futile. As a father of a young boy near the age of some, I am bereft.</p>
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		<title>By: Boo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 07:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get hold of ... illegally that is!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get hold of &#8230; illegally that is!</p>
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		<title>By: Boo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 07:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We might have tighter guns laws, but to be frank these types of weapons (handguns espeically) are easy enough to get a hold of.  But, we don&#039;t seem to suffer the massacres.   Plenty of pollies trying to milk the pro and anti.  And we aren&#039;t alone in this regard.  I suspect the reasons why this is so would be as hard or harder to address in the USA than tightening gun ownership?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We might have tighter guns laws, but to be frank these types of weapons (handguns espeically) are easy enough to get a hold of.  But, we don&#8217;t seem to suffer the massacres.   Plenty of pollies trying to milk the pro and anti.  And we aren&#8217;t alone in this regard.  I suspect the reasons why this is so would be as hard or harder to address in the USA than tightening gun ownership?</p>
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		<title>By: Whistleblower</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whistleblower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 06:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whilst I was deeply concerned about the school massacre in the US, I am even more disturbed at the weighting applied by the media to this unfortunate incident. There is a similar exploitative parallel in relation to the so-called “prank call” and the death of a British nurse. 

Based on a quick analysis of reported statistics in the civil war in Syria, an average of 56 civilians a day are dying, and this hardly registers as a “blip on the radar scope” of the media. Yet the deaths of 27 civilians in the USA attracts disproportionate attention which can only be considered to be racist.

One has to seriously question the objectivity of all forms of media, print, television and radio when their prime objective is attracting attention. Whilst the pursuit of the advertising dollar can be understood on the basis of commercial media, where voyeurism sells product, there is no excuse however for the ABC which similarly involves itself in the  media feeding frenzy when some of these so-called disasters occur. 

In considering the fragile mental state of the perpetrators of mass killings, one is inescapably drawn to the conclusion that posthumous recognition is possibly a strong motivating factor for the mentally unbalanced, and that the media will provide this recognition to the point of obsession because of the commercial value of advertising time associated with consumer voyeurism. Accordingly a more balanced and objective presentation is required, at least for those sections of the media claimed to be representing responsible journalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whilst I was deeply concerned about the school massacre in the US, I am even more disturbed at the weighting applied by the media to this unfortunate incident. There is a similar exploitative parallel in relation to the so-called “prank call” and the death of a British nurse. </p>
<p>Based on a quick analysis of reported statistics in the civil war in Syria, an average of 56 civilians a day are dying, and this hardly registers as a “blip on the radar scope” of the media. Yet the deaths of 27 civilians in the USA attracts disproportionate attention which can only be considered to be racist.</p>
<p>One has to seriously question the objectivity of all forms of media, print, television and radio when their prime objective is attracting attention. Whilst the pursuit of the advertising dollar can be understood on the basis of commercial media, where voyeurism sells product, there is no excuse however for the ABC which similarly involves itself in the  media feeding frenzy when some of these so-called disasters occur. </p>
<p>In considering the fragile mental state of the perpetrators of mass killings, one is inescapably drawn to the conclusion that posthumous recognition is possibly a strong motivating factor for the mentally unbalanced, and that the media will provide this recognition to the point of obsession because of the commercial value of advertising time associated with consumer voyeurism. Accordingly a more balanced and objective presentation is required, at least for those sections of the media claimed to be representing responsible journalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Herbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Herbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 06:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very sad indeed....no family should have to endure such  trauma....the 320 kids under 10 years old who were shelled to death in the IDF&#039;s Cast Lead massacre in Gaza a few years ago had parents who to this day suffer as these poor New Englanders do... you have to wonder as to the morality of a culture who allows these types of obscenities to occur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very sad indeed&#8230;.no family should have to endure such  trauma&#8230;.the 320 kids under 10 years old who were shelled to death in the IDF&#8217;s Cast Lead massacre in Gaza a few years ago had parents who to this day suffer as these poor New Englanders do&#8230; you have to wonder as to the morality of a culture who allows these types of obscenities to occur.</p>
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		<title>By: Dogs breakfast</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dogs breakfast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 06:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The adults were brave, and they died; the children were terrified, and they died. No other useful information is imparted.&quot;

That&#039;s enough for me.  As appalled as I was by the act, I found the television coverage just awful.

There are some news stories, yeah I know, you won&#039;t believe it, but some stories are better read about some distance after the event.  God knows if the glorification of it all doesn&#039;t inspire the next massacre.

While not necessarily despising the televisual media coverage, or even most of the newspapers, I can&#039;t help thinking that they are making money broadcasting this news.

There comes a time like this, the tsunami in Japan, and again in Indonesia, where it seems obscene that a corporation is making money from the coverage of the event.  Perhaps a voluntary code of giving up all advertising revenue for that half hour news bulletin, or that edition, would assuage my feelings of capitalist-gone-mad angst.

Am I the only one that thinks in such tangents?  

Don&#039;t answer that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="dquo">&#8220;</span>The adults were brave, and they died; the children were terrified, and they died. No other useful information is imparted.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s enough for me.  As appalled as I was by the act, I found the television coverage just awful.</p>
<p>There are some news stories, yeah I know, you won&#8217;t believe it, but some stories are better read about some distance after the event.  God knows if the glorification of it all doesn&#8217;t inspire the next massacre.</p>
<p>While not necessarily despising the televisual media coverage, or even most of the newspapers, I can&#8217;t help thinking that they are making money broadcasting this news.</p>
<p>There comes a time like this, the tsunami in Japan, and again in Indonesia, where it seems obscene that a corporation is making money from the coverage of the event.  Perhaps a voluntary code of giving up all advertising revenue for that half hour news bulletin, or that edition, would assuage my feelings of capitalist-gone-mad angst.</p>
<p>Am I the only one that thinks in such tangents?  </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t answer that!</p>
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		<title>By: Hamis Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hamis Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 06:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps gun control should revert to Citizen Militia.
Its members would,in compliance with the Constitution and Adam Smith&#039;s arguments for a citizens militia against the power of the state, restrict and discipline access to military weapons to their own membership and  enforce this in their own, limited local areas.
Anyone who wants to use military weapons can do so within the militia, all others are outside the law and subject to sanction.
It works for Switzerland, where the Austrians have not tried to impose their religious prejudices upon their protestant neighbours for several centuries.
Those with a &quot;legitimate&quot; reason for military weapons get to keep them and the lone nutters are denied access.
Matters should revert to the case in neighbouring Canada, where everyone has guns but only use them for hunting or target practise.
The real moral is that from time immemorial the citizens of free societies have always had access to weapons, from the early Roman Republic to the Anglo-Saxon tribes, and these weapons were for the defence of those societies.
Standing Armies and Police Forces are late developments.
The legitimate militia can and would control access to military weapons and stop massacres.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps gun control should revert to Citizen Militia.<br />
Its members would,in compliance with the Constitution and Adam Smith&#8217;s arguments for a citizens militia against the power of the state, restrict and discipline access to military weapons to their own membership and  enforce this in their own, limited local areas.<br />
Anyone who wants to use military weapons can do so within the militia, all others are outside the law and subject to sanction.<br />
It works for Switzerland, where the Austrians have not tried to impose their religious prejudices upon their protestant neighbours for several centuries.<br />
Those with a &#8220;legitimate&#8221; reason for military weapons get to keep them and the lone nutters are denied access.<br />
Matters should revert to the case in neighbouring Canada, where everyone has guns but only use them for hunting or target practise.<br />
The real moral is that from time immemorial the citizens of free societies have always had access to weapons, from the early Roman Republic to the Anglo-Saxon tribes, and these weapons were for the defence of those societies.<br />
Standing Armies and Police Forces are late developments.<br />
The legitimate militia can and would control access to military weapons and stop massacres.</p>
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		<title>By: geezlouise</title>
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		<dc:creator>geezlouise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 05:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great writing. Thanks.</description>
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		<title>By: michael crook</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael crook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 05:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article Guy. Malcolm you are quite right.
As long as every decision we make in our western so-called  democracies is based on whether someone can make a dollar, we are doomed to keep repeating these social disasters.  There are good examples of societal planning and operation which actually involve educating our children in something other than a culture of violence. But sadly, not in the US and not in Australia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article Guy. Malcolm you are quite right.<br />
As long as every decision we make in our western so-called  democracies is based on whether someone can make a dollar, we are doomed to keep repeating these social disasters.  There are good examples of societal planning and operation which actually involve educating our children in something other than a culture of violence. But sadly, not in the US and not in Australia.</p>
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		<title>By: joanjett</title>
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		<dc:creator>joanjett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 05:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ microseris I actually wondered if that was to do with Sarah Silverman&#039;s ingenious ploy to outfox the Voter ID laws that were going to inhibit peoples&#039; right to vote! Didn&#039;t she sign her grandma up for a gun license?
Seriously though, most of the US websites have pro gun trolls who seem to be using this little gem:
http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm
I wonder if this is where some of our home grown trolls learn their dark arts! Very informative indeed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ microseris I actually wondered if that was to do with Sarah Silverman&#8217;s ingenious ploy to outfox the Voter ID laws that were going to inhibit peoples&#8217; right to vote! Didn&#8217;t she sign her grandma up for a gun license?<br />
Seriously though, most of the US websites have pro gun trolls who seem to be using this little gem:<br />
<a href="http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm" rel="nofollow">http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm</a><br />
I wonder if this is where some of our home grown trolls learn their dark arts! Very informative indeed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: puddleduck</title>
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		<dc:creator>puddleduck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 04:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I hear right that 2 million guns were purchased in the last month in the US?  Or was it my befuddled brain listening to the ghastly coverage on the radio this morning when I woke up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did I hear right that 2 million guns were purchased in the last month in the US?  Or was it my befuddled brain listening to the ghastly coverage on the radio this morning when I woke up?</p>
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		<title>By: CHRISTOPHER DUNNE</title>
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		<dc:creator>CHRISTOPHER DUNNE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 04:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Guy, truly moving and provocative. Of course the question is whether this horrible event provokes some real action, but the underlying mordant tone of this piece says that it will not. America is living outside reality, just as the gunman was living in some fantasy, an artificial reality, like some violent computer game running in his head. As they go through the motions, yet again, let&#039;s hope there are a brave few who will speak up and tell America to wake up from their self-induced coma...and enough heed the call.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Guy, truly moving and provocative. Of course the question is whether this horrible event provokes some real action, but the underlying mordant tone of this piece says that it will not. America is living outside reality, just as the gunman was living in some fantasy, an artificial reality, like some violent computer game running in his head. As they go through the motions, yet again, let&#8217;s hope there are a brave few who will speak up and tell America to wake up from their self-induced coma&#8230;and enough heed the call.</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm Street</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malcolm Street</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 04:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AndyBob - IMHO the Second Amendment doesn&#039;t necessarily need to be repealed, it needs to be clarified.  It&#039;s screamingly obvious to me that it refers to firearms ownership only in the context of a &quot;well ordered militia&quot;, but I can see that the following text about the right to bear arms can be interpreted as standing separately.

Israel and Switzerland have &quot;well ordered militias&quot; and *only in conjunction with that* high rates of firearms ownership, but don&#039;t have this sort of thing going on among the general population.  There&#039;s a big difference between bearing arms being seen as a right and being seen, as in these two nations, as a *social responsibility*, one only allowed within a framework of military discipline and structure. 

Of course you could also see bearing arms as a privilege, which is how all other developed nations regard it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AndyBob - IMHO the Second Amendment doesn&#8217;t necessarily need to be repealed, it needs to be clarified.  It&#8217;s screamingly obvious to me that it refers to firearms ownership only in the context of a &#8220;well ordered militia&#8221;, but I can see that the following text about the right to bear arms can be interpreted as standing separately.</p>
<p>Israel and Switzerland have &#8220;well ordered militias&#8221; and *only in conjunction with that* high rates of firearms ownership, but don&#8217;t have this sort of thing going on among the general population.  There&#8217;s a big difference between bearing arms being seen as a right and being seen, as in these two nations, as a *social responsibility*, one only allowed within a framework of military discipline and structure. </p>
<p>Of course you could also see bearing arms as a privilege, which is how all other developed nations regard it.</p>
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		<title>By: Microseris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Microseris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 04:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As always, able to cut through the lack of emotion in the reporting from the MSM to cut to the heart of the subject.

Mass murders seem to be another symptom of the illness of our modern society.

This piece ties in with Friday&#039;s Crikey article noting that republicans are stocking up on guns in the wake of Obama&#039;s election win. In this light, good luck trying to get them to hand the guns back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As always, able to cut through the lack of emotion in the reporting from the MSM to cut to the heart of the subject.</p>
<p>Mass murders seem to be another symptom of the illness of our modern society.</p>
<p>This piece ties in with Friday&#8217;s Crikey article noting that republicans are stocking up on guns in the wake of Obama&#8217;s election win. In this light, good luck trying to get them to hand the guns back.</p>
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		<title>By: drmick</title>
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		<dc:creator>drmick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 04:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The current NSW senate balance of power is controlled by the same throwbacks who enabled the Columbine massacre and all the other massacres to occur. They are thrown money by the current premier and told to go a shoot the bejezus out of the fauna, (and the public), in the National Parks as a reward for complicity in destroying 150 years of hard earned legislation. 
It really is no different here with or without One Nation</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The current NSW senate balance of power is controlled by the same throwbacks who enabled the Columbine massacre and all the other massacres to occur. They are thrown money by the current premier and told to go a shoot the bejezus out of the fauna, (and the public), in the National Parks as a reward for complicity in destroying 150 years of hard earned legislation.<br />
It really is no different here with or without One Nation</p>
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