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	<title>Comments on: Ashby v Slipper: court dismissal and no winners &#8212; least of all taxpayers</title>
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		<title>By: Prue Acton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prue Acton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 03:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An excellent Speaker brought down by an opportunist.</description>
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		<title>By: Hi Lights</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hi Lights</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 01:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is high time the media explored Christopher Pyne&#039;s role in Ashbygate...Christopher, where are you? I can&#039;t seem to find you nor can I hear you... how strange!

No seriously, my money is on the wine bottle James Ashby collected from Christopher Pyne’s office. Pyne as Manager of Opposition Business in the Aust House of Reps knows everything or at least he purports to.... So my question to him is why was James Ashby collecting a bottle of wine signed by Tony Abbott in your office? Any staffer in Aust Parliament can tell you normal procedure is to collect signed bottle of wine by Abbott from Abbott’s office NOT Pyne’s. So what have Ashby, Pyne and/or Pyne’s staff been wanting to discuss before the Easter Parliamentary Break? 

Christopher, where are you? I still can&#039;t see or hear you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is high time the media explored Christopher Pyne&#8217;s role in Ashbygate&#8230;Christopher, where are you? I can&#8217;t seem to find you nor can I hear you&#8230; how strange!</p>
<p>No seriously, my money is on the wine bottle James Ashby collected from Christopher Pyne’s office. Pyne as Manager of Opposition Business in the Aust House of Reps knows everything or at least he purports to&#8230;. So my question to him is why was James Ashby collecting a bottle of wine signed by Tony Abbott in your office? Any staffer in Aust Parliament can tell you normal procedure is to collect signed bottle of wine by Abbott from Abbott’s office NOT Pyne’s. So what have Ashby, Pyne and/or Pyne’s staff been wanting to discuss before the Easter Parliamentary Break? </p>
<p>Christopher, where are you? I still can&#8217;t see or hear you.</p>
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		<title>By: The Pav</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/12/12/ashby-v-slipper-court-dismissal-and-no-winners-least-of-all-taxpayers/comment-page-2/#comment-232144</link>
		<dc:creator>The Pav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 04:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just heard on ABC News radio Julie Bishop admit Asby had contacted her office about a month before lodging his complaint.

Ms Bishop said Ashby rang twice and he was advised to contact the Dept of Finance as this was the ultimate employer. 

Ms Bishop also said that she did not know if she had actually met Ashby. I&#039;ll accept that as pollies meet a lot of people &amp; it would be easy to forget but in my experience pollies are actually brilliant at remembering people. It&#039;s how they garner votes &amp; support by giving that personal touch. It also seems strange that somebody on the staff of somebody as significant as the speaker is not memorable to the Deputy Opposition leader  but as I said I&#039;ll take her word for it.

There are some questions that need answering

Why did Ashby ring twice? The advice was basic so what was hard to understand
Did the staff member advise Ms Bishop of the contact?
If not why not as it is pretty significant?
If the staffer did advise Ms Bishop then did she discuss the matter with anybody else?
Did she advise her leader? If not why not it was very relevant
Did she discuss it with Hockey?
Did she discuss it with Brandis as Shadow Attorney Gerneral
Why has Ms Bishop been the first to get out there?
Could it be that she is aware of the size &amp; depth of the conspiracy and is trying to get clear from under?
There is much to explain is this tawdry and dispicable saga that stains the Liberal Party</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just heard on ABC News radio Julie Bishop admit Asby had contacted her office about a month before lodging his complaint.</p>
<p>Ms Bishop said Ashby rang twice and he was advised to contact the Dept of Finance as this was the ultimate employer. </p>
<p>Ms Bishop also said that she did not know if she had actually met Ashby. I&#8217;ll accept that as pollies meet a lot of people &amp; it would be easy to forget but in my experience pollies are actually brilliant at remembering people. It&#8217;s how they garner votes &amp; support by giving that personal touch. It also seems strange that somebody on the staff of somebody as significant as the speaker is not memorable to the Deputy Opposition leader  but as I said I&#8217;ll take her word for it.</p>
<p>There are some questions that need answering</p>
<p>Why did Ashby ring twice? The advice was basic so what was hard to understand<br />
Did the staff member advise Ms Bishop of the contact?<br />
If not why not as it is pretty significant?<br />
If the staffer did advise Ms Bishop then did she discuss the matter with anybody else?<br />
Did she advise her leader? If not why not it was very relevant<br />
Did she discuss it with Hockey?<br />
Did she discuss it with Brandis as Shadow Attorney Gerneral<br />
Why has Ms Bishop been the first to get out there?<br />
Could it be that she is aware of the size &amp; depth of the conspiracy and is trying to get clear from under?<br />
There is much to explain is this tawdry and dispicable saga that stains the Liberal Party</p>
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		<title>By: geomac62</title>
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		<dc:creator>geomac62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 03:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mii
 Surely the lesson is not to use the courts for a vexatious and politically motivated intent . The LNP got their moneys worth initially but will the investment sour in the aftermath ? I cannot imagine any business or organisation would hire Slippers ex staffers just on the trust issue alone besides the rest of their venal attitudes ? Wouldn,t stop the LNP though , essential qualities for them .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mii<br />
 Surely the lesson is not to use the courts for a vexatious and politically motivated intent . The LNP got their moneys worth initially but will the investment sour in the aftermath ? I cannot imagine any business or organisation would hire Slippers ex staffers just on the trust issue alone besides the rest of their venal attitudes ? Wouldn,t stop the LNP though , essential qualities for them .</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 02:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mii - That is just complete rubbish - the judge didn&#039;t find that the LNP had just helped with his costs - they found they had colluded and acted for political motivated reasons.

The judge also gave the lawyer a spray for his use of the media to almost blackmail Slipper into settling just like they did with David Jones ex CEO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mii - That is just complete rubbish - the judge didn&#8217;t find that the LNP had just helped with his costs - they found they had colluded and acted for political motivated reasons.</p>
<p>The judge also gave the lawyer a spray for his use of the media to almost blackmail Slipper into settling just like they did with David Jones ex CEO.</p>
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		<title>By: John Kotsopoulos</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Kotsopoulos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 02:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marilyn Shepherd is quite correct. Slipper and Ashby exchanged some off colour banter about women&#039;s genitalia.  Something about unshelled mussels. Wow.

The Beatles in their song Penny Lane referred to &quot;fish and finger pie&quot; which as every Fab Four fan knows is Scouse slang for...........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marilyn Shepherd is quite correct. Slipper and Ashby exchanged some off colour banter about women&#8217;s genitalia.  Something about unshelled mussels. Wow.</p>
<p>The Beatles in their song Penny Lane referred to &#8220;fish and finger pie&#8221; which as every Fab Four fan knows is Scouse slang for&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Mii</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/12/12/ashby-v-slipper-court-dismissal-and-no-winners-least-of-all-taxpayers/comment-page-2/#comment-232103</link>
		<dc:creator>Mii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 00:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the thing: Courts are bloody expensive so unless you are rich you can&#039;t bring a case without some wealthy well connected friends. Ashby made some well connected friends but that allowed the judge to say he was politically motivated. Without those friends, he couldn&#039;t have done it. Moral is don&#039;t use the courts, ever. Slipper Ashby and the lnp are the losers here. The lawyers and labor are the winners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the thing: Courts are bloody expensive so unless you are rich you can&#8217;t bring a case without some wealthy well connected friends. Ashby made some well connected friends but that allowed the judge to say he was politically motivated. Without those friends, he couldn&#8217;t have done it. Moral is don&#8217;t use the courts, ever. Slipper Ashby and the lnp are the losers here. The lawyers and labor are the winners.</p>
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		<title>By: The Pav</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Pav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 23:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GeeWhizz

Your attempts to exonerate your odious part are as dishonest as the party and its leader

Jenkins wanted to step down. Slipper didn&#039;t knife him. Simple common sense would tell you that but apparently you can only handle simple

Next some crude texts do not make anybody a pervert and many women have sad they were not offended

Then you rabbit on about the AWU. and after 20 years still nothing more than &quot; there are questions to answer&quot; you you and your dishonest leader can&#039;t even enunciate them and when questions have been put by the whole press gallery ( hardley Gillard supporters on two separate occaisions ) they were answered.

Unlike Abbott who promptly ran and hid when the press wanted to ask him about the Slipper judgement. Shouldn&#039;t surprised as cowardice &amp; dishonesty run together which is why you are such a lover of Abbott 

Then there&#039;s Thompson wow. He says he&#039;s innocent ( just like Slipper ) did and te smart thing would be to allow due process to take its course but no doing the smart thing is not for the likes of you.

You and Abbott ( I am assuming you are separate people) are more than happy to make any recless accusation for political gain without regard to the consequences. That&#039;s the attack on democracy. It works best when people act in good faith.not something Abbott does.

I would point out that there has been a myraid of investigations into Thompson over years and whenever the eviudence is challenged it is shown to be false. Remember the Prostitute who said she was with him but then was actually overseas!!

I see your adored leader is overseas to &quot;raise the morale&quot; of our troops.

I hope our service people are happy with the concept that if they die in the service of our country ( even you Geewhizz) it&#039;s OK I mean as Abbott says &quot;SH*t Happens&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GeeWhizz</p>
<p>Your attempts to exonerate your odious part are as dishonest as the party and its leader</p>
<p>Jenkins wanted to step down. Slipper didn&#8217;t knife him. Simple common sense would tell you that but apparently you can only handle simple</p>
<p>Next some crude texts do not make anybody a pervert and many women have sad they were not offended</p>
<p>Then you rabbit on about the AWU. and after 20 years still nothing more than &#8221; there are questions to answer&#8221; you you and your dishonest leader can&#8217;t even enunciate them and when questions have been put by the whole press gallery ( hardley Gillard supporters on two separate occaisions ) they were answered.</p>
<p>Unlike Abbott who promptly ran and hid when the press wanted to ask him about the Slipper judgement. Shouldn&#8217;t surprised as cowardice &amp; dishonesty run together which is why you are such a lover of Abbott </p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s Thompson wow. He says he&#8217;s innocent ( just like Slipper ) did and te smart thing would be to allow due process to take its course but no doing the smart thing is not for the likes of you.</p>
<p>You and Abbott ( I am assuming you are separate people) are more than happy to make any recless accusation for political gain without regard to the consequences. That&#8217;s the attack on democracy. It works best when people act in good faith.not something Abbott does.</p>
<p>I would point out that there has been a myraid of investigations into Thompson over years and whenever the eviudence is challenged it is shown to be false. Remember the Prostitute who said she was with him but then was actually overseas!!</p>
<p>I see your adored leader is overseas to &#8220;raise the morale&#8221; of our troops.</p>
<p>I hope our service people are happy with the concept that if they die in the service of our country ( even you Geewhizz) it&#8217;s OK I mean as Abbott says &#8220;SH*t Happens&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lyn Gain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyn Gain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 23:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malcolm, The reason everybody is in a tizz about them is that everybody has dirty minds (an automatic ashamed snigger when female genitalia are mentioned) and can’t separate fact and insult. If you really want to read what was actually said, try this link, but believe me it is very tedious 
fedcourt.gov.au/courtdocuments/ashby-commonwealth...stralia/2-Oct-2012-Book-of-Evidence-Annexure.pdf

For the short version, I include below a comment I posted on Crikey in early October (for some reason the SMH didn’t use it when I sent it first to the letters editor).

“Titillated by what dreadful things Peter Slipper must have said to bring about such indignant revulsion by the Leader of the Opposition, and such coyness by the SMH, other media and parliament in refusing to reveal Slipper’s words to the tender public, I looked up the Book of Evidence Annexure published on the internet by the Federal Court to read Slipper’s own words. What an anticlimax. Far from reviling women, Slipper said two things on which the accusations of ‘vile’ and ‘misogynist’ are presumably based. Firstly he said that Mal Brough was a c***. I bet he’s not the first or last to say that. In that context he then mused philosophically about why people used the c word pejoratively when many men were in fact fond of the phenomena – quite an enlightened view there I thought. The second set of comments was when he said that female genitalia looked like ‘shell less mussels’ which he also described as tasting ‘salty’ and ‘briny’ – a factual description.  He didn’t say he didn’t like mussels, and even suggested that Ashby might take in interest in them to divert him from his ‘wayward’ ways. Where’s the misogyny and what’s so vile?”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malcolm, The reason everybody is in a tizz about them is that everybody has dirty minds (an automatic ashamed snigger when female genitalia are mentioned) and can’t separate fact and insult. If you really want to read what was actually said, try this link, but believe me it is very tedious<br />
fedcourt.gov.au/courtdocuments/ashby-commonwealth&#8230;stralia/2-Oct-2012-Book-of-Evidence-Annexure.pdf</p>
<p>For the short version, I include below a comment I posted on Crikey in early October (for some reason the SMH didn’t use it when I sent it first to the letters editor).</p>
<p>“Titillated by what dreadful things Peter Slipper must have said to bring about such indignant revulsion by the Leader of the Opposition, and such coyness by the SMH, other media and parliament in refusing to reveal Slipper’s words to the tender public, I looked up the Book of Evidence Annexure published on the internet by the Federal Court to read Slipper’s own words. What an anticlimax. Far from reviling women, Slipper said two things on which the accusations of ‘vile’ and ‘misogynist’ are presumably based. Firstly he said that Mal Brough was a c***. I bet he’s not the first or last to say that. In that context he then mused philosophically about why people used the c word pejoratively when many men were in fact fond of the phenomena – quite an enlightened view there I thought. The second set of comments was when he said that female genitalia looked like ‘shell less mussels’ which he also described as tasting ‘salty’ and ‘briny’ – a factual description.  He didn’t say he didn’t like mussels, and even suggested that Ashby might take in interest in them to divert him from his ‘wayward’ ways. Where’s the misogyny and what’s so vile?”</p>
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		<title>By: klewso</title>
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		<dc:creator>klewso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 22:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not least the wilful mixing of Ashby&#039;s texts as &quot;Slipper&#039;s&quot;?

[And how many names are there for &quot;male members&quot; - and I don&#039;t mean our elected representatives (no matter how they carry on ........ oh wait a minute....?) - for a start.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not least the wilful mixing of Ashby&#8217;s texts as &#8220;Slipper&#8217;s&#8221;?</p>
<blockquote><p>And how many names are there for &#8220;male members&#8221; - and I don&#8217;t mean our elected representatives (no matter how they carry on &#8230;&#8230;.. oh wait a minute&#8230;.?) - for a start.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Malcolm Harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malcolm Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 12:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to suggest that slipper sent text messages that slandered all women is itself slanderous.
perhaps these texts are widely available. i haven&#039;t seen them, except the references to mussels, which is accurate at least as far as the taste is concerned. what are the others? i have been highly irritated since the beginning of the &#039;texts&#039; affair by the covert references to these texts as though the english language and biology and our sensibilities have suddenly parted company. why is everybody in such a tizz about them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to suggest that slipper sent text messages that slandered all women is itself slanderous.<br />
perhaps these texts are widely available. i haven&#8217;t seen them, except the references to mussels, which is accurate at least as far as the taste is concerned. what are the others? i have been highly irritated since the beginning of the &#8216;texts&#8217; affair by the covert references to these texts as though the english language and biology and our sensibilities have suddenly parted company. why is everybody in such a tizz about them.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyn Gain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyn Gain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 09:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At last, a judge with guts. Who is this Steven Rares, he’s wonderful, is he already married! I too have said from the beginning that it was as clear as day that it was Ashby playing the agent provocateur and silly Slipper being conned. And still Crikey as well as Lenore Taylor in today’s SMH keep perpetuating the myth that Slipper denigrated women with his factual remarks about shell-less mussels and briny taste – when he actually suggested that Ashby give them a try to turn him from his ‘wayward’ ways. And yes, the silence from the Murdoch media and the Opposition is fascinating. Bravo Steven Rares – even the Government was amazed that the judgement was fair and not mealy mouthed – I bet Nicola wished she’s made a better call on our $50,000. Personally, I was totally delighted and astounded at the judgement. Maybe the next thing is that Thompson will be vindicated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At last, a judge with guts. Who is this Steven Rares, he’s wonderful, is he already married! I too have said from the beginning that it was as clear as day that it was Ashby playing the agent provocateur and silly Slipper being conned. And still Crikey as well as Lenore Taylor in today’s SMH keep perpetuating the myth that Slipper denigrated women with his factual remarks about shell-less mussels and briny taste – when he actually suggested that Ashby give them a try to turn him from his ‘wayward’ ways. And yes, the silence from the Murdoch media and the Opposition is fascinating. Bravo Steven Rares – even the Government was amazed that the judgement was fair and not mealy mouthed – I bet Nicola wished she’s made a better call on our $50,000. Personally, I was totally delighted and astounded at the judgement. Maybe the next thing is that Thompson will be vindicated.</p>
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		<title>By: Hamis Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hamis Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 08:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is Abbott the Guy Fawk-es of 2012?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Abbott the Guy Fawk-es of 2012?</p>
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		<title>By: Hamis Hill</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/12/12/ashby-v-slipper-court-dismissal-and-no-winners-least-of-all-taxpayers/comment-page-2/#comment-232041</link>
		<dc:creator>Hamis Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 08:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would it now be appropriate for Tchaikovski&#039;s 1812 Overture to become Gillard&#039;s 2012 theme song?
As Abbott begins his slow retreat from any prospects of victory?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would it now be appropriate for Tchaikovski&#8217;s 1812 Overture to become Gillard&#8217;s 2012 theme song?<br />
As Abbott begins his slow retreat from any prospects of victory?</p>
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		<title>By: Hamis Hill</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/12/12/ashby-v-slipper-court-dismissal-and-no-winners-least-of-all-taxpayers/comment-page-2/#comment-232040</link>
		<dc:creator>Hamis Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 08:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the conspirators in the Guy Fawkes Gunpowder Plot took some time to round up even after a list of names was found.
The parallels extend to the religious propensities of those presently wishing to absolutely blow-up a big, bad government.
Labor should remember, remember the fifth of November for comparison with the Brough-Ashby Plot.
And perhaps Labor should also play Tchaikovski&#039;s 1812 overture,(could become Gillard&#039;s theme song) two centuries later, because Abbott is sure as hell in retreat, with a cruel Slipper winter of defamation  actions taking its toll on the troops.
How many will survive till the next election?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the conspirators in the Guy Fawkes Gunpowder Plot took some time to round up even after a list of names was found.<br />
The parallels extend to the religious propensities of those presently wishing to absolutely blow-up a big, bad government.<br />
Labor should remember, remember the fifth of November for comparison with the Brough-Ashby Plot.<br />
And perhaps Labor should also play Tchaikovski&#8217;s 1812 overture,(could become Gillard&#8217;s theme song) two centuries later, because Abbott is sure as hell in retreat, with a cruel Slipper winter of defamation  actions taking its toll on the troops.<br />
How many will survive till the next election?</p>
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		<title>By: GeeWizz</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/12/12/ashby-v-slipper-court-dismissal-and-no-winners-least-of-all-taxpayers/comment-page-2/#comment-232033</link>
		<dc:creator>GeeWizz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 07:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL

&quot;Attack on Democracy&quot;

This turncoat was voted in as a conservative LNP member and ended up dumping his electorates wishes simply to pursue his own retirement fund.

Not only that but Harry Jenkins whom this guy axed from the top job was one of the best speakers this country has ever had and instead we got some old pervert to replace him who compares a jar of muscles to a ladies privates.

If that&#039;s &quot;democracy&quot; according to the left then you guys need your heads read. BTW, the AWU and Craig Thomson scandal are not grand Lib Party conspiracy theories or setups... real people had real money stolen by real union heavies from real union members... you lefties will need to do better than blame Abbott, wheres the money gone fellas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL</p>
<p><span class="dquo">&#8220;</span>Attack on Democracy&#8221;</p>
<p>This turncoat was voted in as a conservative LNP member and ended up dumping his electorates wishes simply to pursue his own retirement fund.</p>
<p>Not only that but Harry Jenkins whom this guy axed from the top job was one of the best speakers this country has ever had and instead we got some old pervert to replace him who compares a jar of muscles to a ladies privates.</p>
<p>If that&#8217;s &#8220;democracy&#8221; according to the left then you guys need your heads read. BTW, the AWU and Craig Thomson scandal are not grand Lib Party conspiracy theories or setups&#8230; real people had real money stolen by real union heavies from real union members&#8230; you lefties will need to do better than blame Abbott, wheres the money gone fellas?</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/12/12/ashby-v-slipper-court-dismissal-and-no-winners-least-of-all-taxpayers/comment-page-2/#comment-231996</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 05:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The following was on Yahoo news- 
Several Labor frontbenchers have taken a swipe at The Daily Telegraph&#039;s coverage of the story.

It revealed the initial sexual harassment claims on page one but today reported the court ruling on page 17.
&quot;This story broke, very consciously, on a Saturday morning in The Daily Telegraph - a big splash, unlike today. I note it&#039;s on page 17, after some dog riding a bike on page 15,&quot; Mr Albanese said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The following was on Yahoo news-<br />
Several Labor frontbenchers have taken a swipe at The Daily Telegraph&#8217;s coverage of the story.</p>
<p>It revealed the initial sexual harassment claims on page one but today reported the court ruling on page 17.<br />
&#8220;This story broke, very consciously, on a Saturday morning in The Daily Telegraph - a big splash, unlike today. I note it&#8217;s on page 17, after some dog riding a bike on page 15,&#8221; Mr Albanese said.</p>
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		<title>By: green-orange</title>
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		<dc:creator>green-orange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 02:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you mean, is that the precious Canberra Press gallery has backed a loser and is now going to throw a dummy spit and say &quot;no one won&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you mean, is that the precious Canberra Press gallery has backed a loser and is now going to throw a dummy spit and say &#8220;no one won&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruprecht</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/12/12/ashby-v-slipper-court-dismissal-and-no-winners-least-of-all-taxpayers/comment-page-2/#comment-231919</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruprecht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 02:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, GeeWiz, you&#039;ve swallowed some Grattan today!  Nice of you to show up at last and wave away an embarrassing  court result.

Your justification that the case was irrelevant to the main political game is precisely the attitude that the judge condemned.

You&#039;ve also betrayed your nepotistic thinking.  Democratic government should be for all people, not just to reward mates and punish turncoats.  People with your thinking do no deserve to be running the joint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, GeeWiz, you&#8217;ve swallowed some Grattan today!  Nice of you to show up at last and wave away an embarrassing  court result.</p>
<p>Your justification that the case was irrelevant to the main political game is precisely the attitude that the judge condemned.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve also betrayed your nepotistic thinking.  Democratic government should be for all people, not just to reward mates and punish turncoats.  People with your thinking do no deserve to be running the joint.</p>
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		<title>By: Venise Alstergren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Venise Alstergren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 01:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MIKE FLANAGAN: &quot;Time for some &#039;balance&#039; in our media&quot;. Ha, ha, ha, ha!

The Coalition can, and will, continue to churn out these &#039;Ashbygates&#039; as long as they wish to. They&#039;ve got both ends of the scenario sewn up. Yes, Ashby is guilty BUT the great Oz public reads the MSM, and the MSM is the house organ for the Coalition. Even if Erich Abetz-and Mal Brough and Tony Abbott were to apologise for their rotten, rotten lies; lies told in order to toss out the elected government, the MSM would ignore them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MIKE FLANAGAN: &#8220;Time for some &#8216;balance&#8217; in our media&#8221;. Ha, ha, ha, ha!</p>
<p>The Coalition can, and will, continue to churn out these &#8216;Ashbygates&#8217; as long as they wish to. They&#8217;ve got both ends of the scenario sewn up. Yes, Ashby is guilty BUT the great Oz public reads the MSM, and the MSM is the house organ for the Coalition. Even if Erich Abetz-and Mal Brough and Tony Abbott were to apologise for their rotten, rotten lies; lies told in order to toss out the elected government, the MSM would ignore them.</p>
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		<title>By: Merve</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/12/12/ashby-v-slipper-court-dismissal-and-no-winners-least-of-all-taxpayers/comment-page-2/#comment-231910</link>
		<dc:creator>Merve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 01:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daily Tele - Nothing
Courier Mail - Nothing
Herald Sun - Nothing

No collusion here guys, move along.  Only one of the biggest bombshells of the year.  Murdoch press doing it&#039;s best, once again, for Abbott.  You have to wonder how well the Libs would be doing under him if not for their consistent and loyal backing of the Liberal Party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daily Tele - Nothing<br />
Courier Mail - Nothing<br />
Herald Sun - Nothing</p>
<p>No collusion here guys, move along.  Only one of the biggest bombshells of the year.  Murdoch press doing it&#8217;s best, once again, for Abbott.  You have to wonder how well the Libs would be doing under him if not for their consistent and loyal backing of the Liberal Party.</p>
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		<title>By: Merve</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/12/12/ashby-v-slipper-court-dismissal-and-no-winners-least-of-all-taxpayers/comment-page-2/#comment-231907</link>
		<dc:creator>Merve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 00:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Will we see apologies now from Coalition and media alike? 

No…of course not.
&quot;

The media??  The popular Murdoch press have already forgotten this story, it never happened. The Australian is dealing with it, but no one reads that anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="dquo">&#8220;</span>Will we see apologies now from Coalition and media alike? </p>
<p>No…of course not.<br />
&#8220;</p>
<p>The media??  The popular Murdoch press have already forgotten this story, it never happened. The Australian is dealing with it, but no one reads that anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: geomac62</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/12/12/ashby-v-slipper-court-dismissal-and-no-winners-least-of-all-taxpayers/comment-page-2/#comment-231906</link>
		<dc:creator>geomac62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 00:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truthless 
You want it to be yesterdays news but its not that simple . The BS of the coalition regarding the PM , questions to answer yet no specific question . Well in the Ashby vexatious charge there are specific questions to answer and numerous people who need to answer them . Brough , Pyne , Hockey , McArdle and of course Abbott . I,m sure you will be aggressive in seeking to have these questions answered as you are in all matters directed at Labor or the Greens . More likely you will affirm your unused moniker , truthless .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truthless<br />
You want it to be yesterdays news but its not that simple . The BS of the coalition regarding the PM , questions to answer yet no specific question . Well in the Ashby vexatious charge there are specific questions to answer and numerous people who need to answer them . Brough , Pyne , Hockey , McArdle and of course Abbott . I,m sure you will be aggressive in seeking to have these questions answered as you are in all matters directed at Labor or the Greens . More likely you will affirm your unused moniker , truthless .</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/12/12/ashby-v-slipper-court-dismissal-and-no-winners-least-of-all-taxpayers/comment-page-2/#comment-231905</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 00:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geewizz - You are missing the point;

1) Slippers speakership is dead but the libs have now been implicated in a conspiracy to abuse the judicial process for political ends - this is much bigger than what Gillard did 20 years ago, possibly ends Broughs career and puts the heat on Abbott, Bishop, Pyne and especially Brandis.

2) you belittled my arguments regarding Gillard becusue they were similar to what I had said about Slipper and &quot;we all know how that turned out&quot; but now it&#039;s turned out very differently to what you expected and my arguments were shown to be correct. 

3) Now given the libs have spent so much capital and dubious scandals 2 of which look like blowing up in their faces what are they going to do now?

4) They may have got Slipper out of the speakers chair but he will vote with the ALP so what have they achieved?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geewizz - You are missing the point;</p>
<p>1) Slippers speakership is dead but the libs have now been implicated in a conspiracy to abuse the judicial process for political ends - this is much bigger than what Gillard did 20 years ago, possibly ends Broughs career and puts the heat on Abbott, Bishop, Pyne and especially Brandis.</p>
<p>2) you belittled my arguments regarding Gillard becusue they were similar to what I had said about Slipper and &#8220;we all know how that turned out&#8221; but now it&#8217;s turned out very differently to what you expected and my arguments were shown to be correct. </p>
<p>3) Now given the libs have spent so much capital and dubious scandals 2 of which look like blowing up in their faces what are they going to do now?</p>
<p>4) They may have got Slipper out of the speakers chair but he will vote with the ALP so what have they achieved?</p>
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		<title>By: The Pav</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Pav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 00:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geewhizz

What is not yesterday&#039;s news is that a dishonest attempt was made to use the court system to subvert the will of parlaiment.

There is clear indications of a conspiracy that goes all the way to the top of the LNP.

Not only that but the &quot;foot soldiers &#039; involved were clearly motivated by not only by party political aims ( whilst in the pay of the Australian Taxpayer) but also for purely venal purposes.

That this atack on democracy was purputrated by the LNP is hardly surprising wjen a senior member like Pyne finds the concept of encouraging electors to enrol to be a rort.

Obviously the idea of people voting is an anathema to the LNP and that their version of democracy is that only votes for them count.

Then again considering who you work for GeeWhizz  we can only expect you to parrot the same old dishonest party line</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geewhizz</p>
<p>What is not yesterday&#8217;s news is that a dishonest attempt was made to use the court system to subvert the will of parlaiment.</p>
<p>There is clear indications of a conspiracy that goes all the way to the top of the LNP.</p>
<p>Not only that but the &#8220;foot soldiers &#8217; involved were clearly motivated by not only by party political aims ( whilst in the pay of the Australian Taxpayer) but also for purely venal purposes.</p>
<p>That this atack on democracy was purputrated by the LNP is hardly surprising wjen a senior member like Pyne finds the concept of encouraging electors to enrol to be a rort.</p>
<p>Obviously the idea of people voting is an anathema to the LNP and that their version of democracy is that only votes for them count.</p>
<p>Then again considering who you work for GeeWhizz  we can only expect you to parrot the same old dishonest party line</p>
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