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	<title>Comments on: Resisting the witch hunt on the royal prank call</title>
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		<title>By: phil morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>phil morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 04:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its  a bit narrow minded that posters here and elsewhere reason that the nurse who commited suicide must have been on the verge of it anyway and thus the prank phone call had little if anything to do with her death. It may be true. But there are alternative explanations.
Not all suicides have depression as their basis. This is a predominantly western model of suicide.
Were all japanese soldiers who commited hara kiri or seppuku depressed ?  To understand Japanese seppuku you need to understand the culture in which it took place.

Maybe in the nurses mind it was a serious matter of honour:from humble beginnings she comes to a point where she is looking after, among others ,sick  members of the monarchy and she is 
ashamed  beyond what we can comprehend , however minor the part.. And she was doing this at a considerable distance away from her family. Maybe she felt that she had dishonored her employers, her patients , her family . Or maybe she was furious with the australians who rang the hospital and made her look like a fool and her death was meant to draw attention to her plight.

If this is the case she stood for something far more honorable than any  DJ of the sort we are discussing will ever understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its  a bit narrow minded that posters here and elsewhere reason that the nurse who commited suicide must have been on the verge of it anyway and thus the prank phone call had little if anything to do with her death. It may be true. But there are alternative explanations.<br />
Not all suicides have depression as their basis. This is a predominantly western model of suicide.<br />
Were all japanese soldiers who commited hara kiri or seppuku depressed ?  To understand Japanese seppuku you need to understand the culture in which it took place.</p>
<p>Maybe in the nurses mind it was a serious matter of honour:from humble beginnings she comes to a point where she is looking after, among others ,sick  members of the monarchy and she is<br />
ashamed  beyond what we can comprehend , however minor the part.. And she was doing this at a considerable distance away from her family. Maybe she felt that she had dishonored her employers, her patients , her family . Or maybe she was furious with the australians who rang the hospital and made her look like a fool and her death was meant to draw attention to her plight.</p>
<p>If this is the case she stood for something far more honorable than any  DJ of the sort we are discussing will ever understand.</p>
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		<title>By: phil morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>phil morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 02:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the code of conduct and the telecommunications act have been breached  , can the radio station and its employees use the defense ,as it has ad nauseam that they could not have foreseen the consequences ,and thereby escape responsibilty ?

I&#039; m  not a lawyer , but laws are there in part to protect all parties  are they not ? 

If the Acma code of conduct  and the telecommunications act are not there to protect all parties from just this kind of case then what are they there for ? On the evidence so far , if the radio station had followed the rules and protocols and followed the lessons of the past ,nobody would be in the dock of public opinion .


So , If I breach that law ,am  Iresponsible for the consequences whatever they might be  whether I intended them or not ? 

And what has absence of malice also offered as a defence got to do with avoiding responsibility ? With some exceptions , doctors do not maliciously injure their patients but are succesfully sued for negligence anyway . 

My prediction : nothing will change</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the code of conduct and the telecommunications act have been breached  , can the radio station and its employees use the defense ,as it has ad nauseam that they could not have foreseen the consequences ,and thereby escape responsibilty ?</p>
<p>I&#8217; m  not a lawyer , but laws are there in part to protect all parties  are they not ? </p>
<p>If the Acma code of conduct  and the telecommunications act are not there to protect all parties from just this kind of case then what are they there for ? On the evidence so far , if the radio station had followed the rules and protocols and followed the lessons of the past ,nobody would be in the dock of public opinion .</p>
<p>So , If I breach that law ,am  Iresponsible for the consequences whatever they might be  whether I intended them or not ? </p>
<p>And what has absence of malice also offered as a defence got to do with avoiding responsibility ? With some exceptions , doctors do not maliciously injure their patients but are succesfully sued for negligence anyway . </p>
<p>My prediction : nothing will change</p>
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		<title>By: oldskool</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldskool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 02:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was a prank call in bad taste, but it went further than its architects likely expected, not unlike the Chasers getting into fortress Sydney so easily. 
If you want to see what nasty prank calling is about re-acquaint yourselves with what Russel Brand and Jonathan Ross did to Andrew Sachs.
I expect that we will hear (eventually) that the hospital came down on the poor woman like a ton of bricks (not unreasonably) and that is more likely the tipping point.

Oh SB

Seriously, specific incitement to violence by Jones is equal to the federal government creating a rebate, that businesses could profit from (whilst providing a service) that some shonks, acting illegally regarding state laws, put people in dangerous situations (for which there is training regarding acting safely) that ended in workplace related deaths.

These are the same thing?

Seriously?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was a prank call in bad taste, but it went further than its architects likely expected, not unlike the Chasers getting into fortress Sydney so easily.<br />
If you want to see what nasty prank calling is about re-acquaint yourselves with what Russel Brand and Jonathan Ross did to Andrew Sachs.<br />
I expect that we will hear (eventually) that the hospital came down on the poor woman like a ton of bricks (not unreasonably) and that is more likely the tipping point.</p>
<p>Oh SB</p>
<p>Seriously, specific incitement to violence by Jones is equal to the federal government creating a rebate, that businesses could profit from (whilst providing a service) that some shonks, acting illegally regarding state laws, put people in dangerous situations (for which there is training regarding acting safely) that ended in workplace related deaths.</p>
<p>These are the same thing?</p>
<p>Seriously?</p>
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		<title>By: iggy648</title>
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		<dc:creator>iggy648</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 01:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My bad @18. Of course it should have been POW not DOE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My bad @18. Of course it should have been POW not DOE.</p>
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		<title>By: geomac62</title>
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		<dc:creator>geomac62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 23:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SB
 Why is it you fail to understand or misrepresent others posts ? Plain and simple , if a penalty is given use it in the context of what others have got away with , 
 Now to your absurd assumption that 4 deaths were the fault of anyone other than the management of firms derelict in observing H&amp;S laws , state and federal . By your strange logic a health minister is responsible for a death in a medical facility when a doctor fails to observe the guidelines for a hospital . 
 Got the picture SB ? Post something relevant to the topic or give ED a bell , why don,t you give me a call , ring , ring .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SB<br />
 Why is it you fail to understand or misrepresent others posts ? Plain and simple , if a penalty is given use it in the context of what others have got away with ,<br />
 Now to your absurd assumption that 4 deaths were the fault of anyone other than the management of firms derelict in observing H&amp;S laws , state and federal . By your strange logic a health minister is responsible for a death in a medical facility when a doctor fails to observe the guidelines for a hospital .<br />
 Got the picture SB ? Post something relevant to the topic or give ED a bell , why don,t you give me a call , ring , ring .</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzanne Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 21:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ geomac62

On that basis then, do we prosecute Garrett, Rudd and Gillard for the deaths of the 4 young men doing roof insulation during the failed Labor program</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ geomac62</p>
<p>On that basis then, do we prosecute Garrett, Rudd and Gillard for the deaths of the 4 young men doing roof insulation during the failed Labor program</p>
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		<title>By: drsmithy</title>
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		<dc:creator>drsmithy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 21:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Whoever made the executive decision to release the recording is accountable for this death(if the coroner finds the nurse did in fact take her own life). How devastated she must have felt to see death as the only solution.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Clearly anyone prepared to suicide over something as insignificant as a minor role in a prank phone call was already on a hair trigger with far more serious issues in their lives.

If the presenters or the station had been deliberately targeting her for pranks over an extended period of time, I can see how it might be reasonable to apportion them some of the blame.

However, to charge some random person who was the final straw, simply unlucky enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time to break the camel&#039;s back, is absurd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Whoever made the executive decision to release the recording is accountable for this death(if the coroner finds the nurse did in fact take her own life). How devastated she must have felt to see death as the only solution.</p></blockquote>
<p>Clearly anyone prepared to suicide over something as insignificant as a minor role in a prank phone call was already on a hair trigger with far more serious issues in their lives.</p>
<p>If the presenters or the station had been deliberately targeting her for pranks over an extended period of time, I can see how it might be reasonable to apportion them some of the blame.</p>
<p>However, to charge some random person who was the final straw, simply unlucky enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time to break the camel&#8217;s back, is absurd.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzanne Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 21:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The UK media is in no position to be critical of anyone.

In any case the 2Day FM presenters have a water tight defence.  Prince Charles gave it to them the day after and the day before the lady took her life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The UK media is in no position to be critical of anyone.</p>
<p>In any case the 2Day FM presenters have a water tight defence.  Prince Charles gave it to them the day after and the day before the lady took her life.</p>
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		<title>By: jmendelssohn</title>
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		<dc:creator>jmendelssohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 12:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see that the hapless pranksters, who were simply following their employer&#039;s directive (to act like prats on air and play stupid jokes on innocent victims), have lost their jobs as the program has been pulled.
But Max Moore-Wilton is still the chairman of the board that has presided over this sorry excuse for a radio station.
How come?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that the hapless pranksters, who were simply following their employer&#8217;s directive (to act like prats on air and play stupid jokes on innocent victims), have lost their jobs as the program has been pulled.<br />
But Max Moore-Wilton is still the chairman of the board that has presided over this sorry excuse for a radio station.<br />
How come?</p>
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		<title>By: ana joyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>ana joyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 12:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tis a reflection of our health care workforce; more particularly the abhorrence by those born and bred in the &quot;West&quot; to care for the sick and accept the wages and conditions of the health system. Poor Jacintha Saldanha seems to have been part of that considerable overseas born workforce prepared to work in the hospital and health care system. Jacintha was probably less alert to the type of second grade impersonation and questionable humour broadcast by 2Day-FM duo. A born and bred Londoner would never have allowed such a bad bowl to pass through to the wicket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tis a reflection of our health care workforce; more particularly the abhorrence by those born and bred in the &#8220;West&#8221; to care for the sick and accept the wages and conditions of the health system. Poor Jacintha Saldanha seems to have been part of that considerable overseas born workforce prepared to work in the hospital and health care system. Jacintha was probably less alert to the type of second grade impersonation and questionable humour broadcast by 2Day-FM duo. A born and bred Londoner would never have allowed such a bad bowl to pass through to the wicket.</p>
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		<title>By: POV 888</title>
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		<dc:creator>POV 888</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 12:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I first heard about the hoax I felt it was of poor taste and not at all funny. After news broke the nurse was dead of a suspected suicide, I was angry at the two hosts and had no sympathy for them, until I learned the hoax had been pre-recorded. This piece of information changed the dynamics and my perspective.

Whoever  made the executive decision to release the recording is accountable for this death(if the coroner finds the nurse did in fact take her own life). How devastated she must have felt to see death as the only solution.

I watched the interview on ACA tonight and it was clear the two hosts were traumatised and deeply remorseful. However, this does not change the facts.

Accountability I believe rests with the person/s who agreed to release the recording into the public arena.

If the death is a verified suicide and it was my relative, I would seek justice in a court of law and want manslaughter charges laid against the radio stations management to be used as a precedent.

On a final note, over the last few days, I&#039;ve read, viewed and listened to media reports and I get the feeling there is a subculture of media protecting their own. Interesting when Police are accused of the same type of mentality by the media... an unavoidable human trait?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I first heard about the hoax I felt it was of poor taste and not at all funny. After news broke the nurse was dead of a suspected suicide, I was angry at the two hosts and had no sympathy for them, until I learned the hoax had been pre-recorded. This piece of information changed the dynamics and my perspective.</p>
<p>Whoever  made the executive decision to release the recording is accountable for this death(if the coroner finds the nurse did in fact take her own life). How devastated she must have felt to see death as the only solution.</p>
<p>I watched the interview on ACA tonight and it was clear the two hosts were traumatised and deeply remorseful. However, this does not change the facts.</p>
<p>Accountability I believe rests with the person/s who agreed to release the recording into the public arena.</p>
<p>If the death is a verified suicide and it was my relative, I would seek justice in a court of law and want manslaughter charges laid against the radio stations management to be used as a precedent.</p>
<p>On a final note, over the last few days, I&#8217;ve read, viewed and listened to media reports and I get the feeling there is a subculture of media protecting their own. Interesting when Police are accused of the same type of mentality by the media&#8230; an unavoidable human trait?</p>
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		<title>By: geomac62</title>
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		<dc:creator>geomac62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 11:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What was a nurse doing manning the phones in the first place ? After all the nurse didn,t pass on info herself she connected the pranksters through to the attending nurse . I think laying the blame on the two DJs is drawing a long bow when they would have to get approval from the stations legal and management before broadcasting . 
 Imagine if a few people were killed as a result of Jones inciting people with the Cronulla riots ? The result was bad enough but imagine a death ? It wasn,t an imagined harmless prank but a deliberate incitement . I would think any condemnation or penalty should consider this in context of Jones .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was a nurse doing manning the phones in the first place ? After all the nurse didn,t pass on info herself she connected the pranksters through to the attending nurse . I think laying the blame on the two DJs is drawing a long bow when they would have to get approval from the stations legal and management before broadcasting .<br />
 Imagine if a few people were killed as a result of Jones inciting people with the Cronulla riots ? The result was bad enough but imagine a death ? It wasn,t an imagined harmless prank but a deliberate incitement . I would think any condemnation or penalty should consider this in context of Jones .</p>
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		<title>By: floorer</title>
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		<dc:creator>floorer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 10:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My first comment is modded, but anyway the other thing that stands out to me is the massive amounts of righteous indignation which I find harder to deal with than the odd troll. Bk is spot on about mob rule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first comment is modded, but anyway the other thing that stands out to me is the massive amounts of righteous indignation which I find harder to deal with than the odd troll. Bk is spot on about mob rule.</p>
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		<title>By: floorer</title>
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		<dc:creator>floorer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 10:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand exactly why BK wrote &quot; Lord Glenaurther&quot; as such. One raised eyebrow at the poor colonial nurse............the whole episode says more about the British class system than about the wallies at 2DayFM. The Battenbergs are every b****y where these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand exactly why BK wrote &#8221; Lord Glenaurther&#8221; as such. One raised eyebrow at the poor colonial nurse&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;the whole episode says more about the British class system than about the wallies at 2DayFM. The Battenbergs are every b****y where these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 10:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bernard you argue that the prank had some public interest.  That&#039;s as may be, but it wasn&#039;t intended to have any public interest, it was just intended to humiliate people for laughs.  The fact that it may have had some accidental public interest doesn&#039;t excuse the perpetrators one iota or constitute a &quot;signal difference&quot; from the equally disgusting actions of various other broadcasters.  They couldn&#039;t have foreseen this outcome, but they had no business publicly humiliating people for laughs.  This shouldn&#039;t _need_ to be regulated, it&#039;s just basic decent behaviour, but if presenters aren&#039;t capable of being decent human beings then bring on the regulation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bernard you argue that the prank had some public interest.  That&#8217;s as may be, but it wasn&#8217;t intended to have any public interest, it was just intended to humiliate people for laughs.  The fact that it may have had some accidental public interest doesn&#8217;t excuse the perpetrators one iota or constitute a &#8220;signal difference&#8221; from the equally disgusting actions of various other broadcasters.  They couldn&#8217;t have foreseen this outcome, but they had no business publicly humiliating people for laughs.  This shouldn&#8217;t _need_ to be regulated, it&#8217;s just basic decent behaviour, but if presenters aren&#8217;t capable of being decent human beings then bring on the regulation.</p>
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		<title>By: ulysses butterfly</title>
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		<dc:creator>ulysses butterfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 09:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re-read the NSW CA and HCA comments on the tort of deceit. The public may forget (don&#039;t count on it - police and nurses have a traditional solidarity that goes back centuries) but the law won&#039;t. Deceit, meet high priced tort lawyer(s) on a contingency fee, my only question is where will the case proceed - NSW or the UK. NSW if Today is lucky, UK if the family is lucky. Today can either pay the family or pay their lawyers and probably lose, and still pay the family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re-read the NSW CA and HCA comments on the tort of deceit. The public may forget (don&#8217;t count on it - police and nurses have a traditional solidarity that goes back centuries) but the law won&#8217;t. Deceit, meet high priced tort lawyer(s) on a contingency fee, my only question is where will the case proceed - NSW or the UK. NSW if Today is lucky, UK if the family is lucky. Today can either pay the family or pay their lawyers and probably lose, and still pay the family.</p>
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		<title>By: fractious</title>
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		<dc:creator>fractious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 08:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ David Hand (10 December 2012 at 6:07 pm) except for one points I agree.

* It has not been established that the British press is any worse than the Australian subspecies. This is because this country has not run an independent (as far as can be) inquiry along the lines of Leveson. This is because the people who purport to run the place (state and federal governments) and those who actually run do (mass media owners, big business, MNCs) have too much self-interest (the latter) or in the case of the former are too spineless to challenge the hegemony of the latter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ David Hand (10 December 2012 at 6:07 pm) except for one points I agree.</p>
<p>* It has not been established that the British press is any worse than the Australian subspecies. This is because this country has not run an independent (as far as can be) inquiry along the lines of Leveson. This is because the people who purport to run the place (state and federal governments) and those who actually run do (mass media owners, big business, MNCs) have too much self-interest (the latter) or in the case of the former are too spineless to challenge the hegemony of the latter.</p>
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		<title>By: zut alors</title>
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		<dc:creator>zut alors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 08:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just heard an interview in which Greig declared that receiving the news about nurse Saldanha&#039;s death was the worst call she&#039;d ever had in her life. 

Really? Imagine how funny (?) it would have been and what an almighty laugh (?) everybody could&#039;ve shared had it been a prank call to the prankster. 

How telling that 2-Day FM attempted unsuccessfully on five occasions to contact the nurses to request permission to air the pre-recorded conversations. By admission, the collective mental lightweights at the radio station knew they were obliged to have cleared it with the hapless participants - and decided to put it to air regardless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just heard an interview in which Greig declared that receiving the news about nurse Saldanha&#8217;s death was the worst call she&#8217;d ever had in her life. </p>
<p>Really? Imagine how funny (?) it would have been and what an almighty laugh (?) everybody could&#8217;ve shared had it been a prank call to the prankster. </p>
<p>How telling that 2-Day FM attempted unsuccessfully on five occasions to contact the nurses to request permission to air the pre-recorded conversations. By admission, the collective mental lightweights at the radio station knew they were obliged to have cleared it with the hapless participants - and decided to put it to air regardless.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 07:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A thorough post-mortem into 2DAY FM’s latest disastrous prank would do the radio industry a huge favour. &#039;Fickle finger of fate’ formats that ambush people to denigrate, humiliate and upend their lives for the amusement of ghouls is really low-rent stuff.  Media outlets flogging anti-social behaviours is hardly nation-building but I doubt Austereo shareholders or its Board of Directors are fussed on setting standards. 2DAY FM&#039;s regular walks on the wild side have come at a huge cost to itself and the community. As King Edward VII’s Hospital Chairman said it’s truly appalling that executives and producers pre-recorded and transmitted material bound to cause grief and it’s similarly appalling they hung out young career aspirants to cop the blame. Ditch the format and ditch its architects - Jacintha Soldanha wasn’t the only one hoaxed by Austereo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A thorough post-mortem into 2DAY FM’s latest disastrous prank would do the radio industry a huge favour. &#8216;Fickle finger of fate’ formats that ambush people to denigrate, humiliate and upend their lives for the amusement of ghouls is really low-rent stuff.  Media outlets flogging anti-social behaviours is hardly nation-building but I doubt Austereo shareholders or its Board of Directors are fussed on setting standards. 2DAY FM&#8217;s regular walks on the wild side have come at a huge cost to itself and the community. As King Edward VII’s Hospital Chairman said it’s truly appalling that executives and producers pre-recorded and transmitted material bound to cause grief and it’s similarly appalling they hung out young career aspirants to cop the blame. Ditch the format and ditch its architects - Jacintha Soldanha wasn’t the only one hoaxed by Austereo.</p>
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		<title>By: Venise Alstergren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Venise Alstergren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 07:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I rather like the comment of my dentist on all of this. &quot;The media have to pile on every inaccuracy they can invent, because by tomorrow afternoon the public will have forgotten all about it&quot;.

Depressingly accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I rather like the comment of my dentist on all of this. &#8220;The media have to pile on every inaccuracy they can invent, because by tomorrow afternoon the public will have forgotten all about it&#8221;.</p>
<p>Depressingly accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry Hatrick, OAP</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerry Hatrick, OAP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 07:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that I take out of this - no need to hack into Royal&#039;s phones, just give them a ring and ask.
And on a sour note, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Yes, you, Murdoch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that I take out of this - no need to hack into Royal&#8217;s phones, just give them a ring and ask.<br />
And on a sour note, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Yes, you, Murdoch.</p>
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		<title>By: ulysses butterfly</title>
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		<dc:creator>ulysses butterfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 07:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today should avoid a lawyer&#039;s picnic and pay, and pay well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today should avoid a lawyer&#8217;s picnic and pay, and pay well.</p>
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		<title>By: David Hand</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Hand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 07:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In saying (rightly) that the British press is worse and the Met police complicit, you are introducing a red herring.  It&#039;s all irrelevant to the story.

The blame fairly and squarely lies with the people who made the call and the organisation that encouraged them and then chose to broadcast.

Apportioning even a small amount of blame to the hospital is ridiculous.  Hospitals cost an arm and a leg already without burdening them with a media and communications department just to head off rank stupidity.

I&#039;m with those who are saying that the media is incapable of having any sense of responsibility at all.  Though there are implications about risk to our democracy if the media is government controlled, professionals in the industry should think about that before they sanction something as stupid and ignorant as lying on the radio for the entertainment of your listeners.

I am satisfied that the regulations are in place to severly punish Austereo.  I expect ACMA to slap them on the wrist with a wet bus ticket.  Sometime in 2015.  On a Friday afternoon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In saying (rightly) that the British press is worse and the Met police complicit, you are introducing a red herring.  It&#8217;s all irrelevant to the story.</p>
<p>The blame fairly and squarely lies with the people who made the call and the organisation that encouraged them and then chose to broadcast.</p>
<p>Apportioning even a small amount of blame to the hospital is ridiculous.  Hospitals cost an arm and a leg already without burdening them with a media and communications department just to head off rank stupidity.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with those who are saying that the media is incapable of having any sense of responsibility at all.  Though there are implications about risk to our democracy if the media is government controlled, professionals in the industry should think about that before they sanction something as stupid and ignorant as lying on the radio for the entertainment of your listeners.</p>
<p>I am satisfied that the regulations are in place to severly punish Austereo.  I expect ACMA to slap them on the wrist with a wet bus ticket.  Sometime in 2015.  On a Friday afternoon.</p>
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		<title>By: ulysses butterfly</title>
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		<dc:creator>ulysses butterfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 06:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It gets worse, with Gleeson CJ of the HCA here on the tort of deceit:

&quot;41 Harm may result from a course of action induced by a fraudulent misrepresentation, even though it has nothing to do with questions of contract or with inducement to undertake financial obligations. An example is Mafo v Adams[26] where the plaintiff was fraudulently induced to undertake an unpleasant journey, and was awarded compensation for the inconvenience and discomfort. (The case of Richardson v Silvester[27], earlier mentioned, was a case where a plaintiff was compensated for the expense of a fraudulently induced journey.) There is no reason in principle why the harm for which the  tort  may provide compensation should not include  personal injury , or why  personal injury  should not include psychiatric injury, but the harm for which damages are awarded is the &quot;actual damage directly flowing from the fraudulent inducement&quot;, that is to say, the damage directly flowing from the alteration of the plaintiff&#039;s position which occurred as a result of the inducement. Distress, disappointment, frustration and anger may all be natural responses to discovery of deception, but the  tort  of  deceit  does not set out to compensate people for wounded pride or dignity, or for the pain that results from broken illusions.&quot; [end quote of the HCA]

Sure no damages for superficial hurt feelings, but how about liability for loss from psychiatic injury and suicide when faced with destruction of a nursing career in a class conscious white bread upper class Establishment, combined with a life of media notoriety for unintentionally bringing shame onto the future King and Queen??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It gets worse, with Gleeson CJ of the HCA here on the tort of deceit:</p>
<p><span class="dquo">&#8220;</span>41 Harm may result from a course of action induced by a fraudulent misrepresentation, even though it has nothing to do with questions of contract or with inducement to undertake financial obligations. An example is Mafo v Adams[26] where the plaintiff was fraudulently induced to undertake an unpleasant journey, and was awarded compensation for the inconvenience and discomfort. (The case of Richardson v Silvester[27], earlier mentioned, was a case where a plaintiff was compensated for the expense of a fraudulently induced journey.) There is no reason in principle why the harm for which the  tort  may provide compensation should not include  personal injury , or why  personal injury  should not include psychiatric injury, but the harm for which damages are awarded is the &#8220;actual damage directly flowing from the fraudulent inducement&#8221;, that is to say, the damage directly flowing from the alteration of the plaintiff&#8217;s position which occurred as a result of the inducement. Distress, disappointment, frustration and anger may all be natural responses to discovery of deception, but the  tort  of  deceit  does not set out to compensate people for wounded pride or dignity, or for the pain that results from broken illusions.&#8221; [end quote of the HCA]</p>
<p>Sure no damages for superficial hurt feelings, but how about liability for loss from psychiatic injury and suicide when faced with destruction of a nursing career in a class conscious white bread upper class Establishment, combined with a life of media notoriety for unintentionally bringing shame onto the future King and Queen??</p>
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		<title>By: ulysses butterfly</title>
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		<dc:creator>ulysses butterfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 06:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Legal practitioners with more experience than I in NSW in relation to the tort of deceit may have a view about this by the NSW Court of Appeal:

&quot;Held: By Sheller JA, Mason P and Handley JA agreeing: ....(3) In an action for deceit the victim of the undefined fraud  is entitled to compensation for all the actual loss directly flowing from the transaction induced by the wrongdoer including consequential loss whether or not the loss was foreseeable. Smith New Court Securities Limited v Citibank NA [1996] UKHL 3; [1997] AC 254 referred to.&quot;

in AUYEUNG &amp; ANOR v CHAN [1999] NSWCA 417Auyeung &amp; v Chan [1999] NSWCA 417 (26 November 1999) 

and then there is this discussion of the tort of deceit in the High Court of Australia beyond commercial relations to personal injury for deceit, in Magill v Magill
[2006] HCA 51, per Chief Judge Gleeson:

&quot;37 The elements of the  tort  of  deceit  were stated by Viscount Maugham, in Bradford Third Equitable Benefit Building Society v Borders[22], as follows (omitting his Lordship&#039;s citation of authority):

    &quot;First, there must be a representation of fact made by words, or, it may be, by conduct. ..... Secondly, the representation must be made with a knowledge that it is false. It must be wilfully false, or at least made in the absence of any genuine belief that it is true. Thirdly, it must be made with the intention that it should be acted upon by the plaintiff, or by a class of persons which will include the plaintiff, in the manner which resulted in damage to him. If, however, fraud be established, it is immaterial that there was no intention to cheat or injure the person to whom the false statement was made. Fourthly, it must be proved that the plaintiff has acted upon the false statement and has sustained damage by so doing.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Legal practitioners with more experience than I in NSW in relation to the tort of deceit may have a view about this by the NSW Court of Appeal:</p>
<p><span class="dquo">&#8220;</span>Held: By Sheller JA, Mason P and Handley JA agreeing: &#8230;.(3) In an action for deceit the victim of the undefined fraud  is entitled to compensation for all the actual loss directly flowing from the transaction induced by the wrongdoer including consequential loss whether or not the loss was foreseeable. Smith New Court Securities Limited v Citibank NA [1996] UKHL 3; [1997] AC 254 referred to.&#8221;</p>
<p>in AUYEUNG &amp; ANOR v CHAN [1999] NSWCA 417Auyeung &amp; v Chan [1999] NSWCA 417 (26 November 1999) </p>
<p>and then there is this discussion of the tort of deceit in the High Court of Australia beyond commercial relations to personal injury for deceit, in Magill v Magill<br />
[2006] HCA 51, per Chief Judge Gleeson:</p>
<p><span class="dquo">&#8220;</span>37 The elements of the  tort  of  deceit  were stated by Viscount Maugham, in Bradford Third Equitable Benefit Building Society v Borders[22], as follows (omitting his Lordship&#8217;s citation of authority):</p>
<p>    <span class="dquo">&#8220;</span>First, there must be a representation of fact made by words, or, it may be, by conduct. &#8230;.. Secondly, the representation must be made with a knowledge that it is false. It must be wilfully false, or at least made in the absence of any genuine belief that it is true. Thirdly, it must be made with the intention that it should be acted upon by the plaintiff, or by a class of persons which will include the plaintiff, in the manner which resulted in damage to him. If, however, fraud be established, it is immaterial that there was no intention to cheat or injure the person to whom the false statement was made. Fourthly, it must be proved that the plaintiff has acted upon the false statement and has sustained damage by so doing.&#8221;</p>
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