Comments on: Last chance: UN climate summit poised to entrench delay

By: مكينMrGibberish

مكينMrGibberish — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 12:19:02 +0000

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By: [{}]Makin

[{}]Makin — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 10:47:35 +0000

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By: مكين

مكين — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 10:33:40 +0000

lord bonkton of arabia

By: Person Ordinary

Person Ordinary — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 07:56:36 +0000

did ya? that’s a bit daft …

By: GeeWizz

GeeWizz — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 05:40:03 +0000

I thought Global Warming…. oh wait wait… “Climate Change” was fixed now Dillard and her Green stringmasters introduced the Carbon Tax?

By: Ian

Ian — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 01:59:05 +0000

Richard,
I’m afraid we will have to wait for ever. In Australia, a democracy, the people have time after time voted for the status quo. What are the 10 to 15% who don’t supposed to do? Take over government by force? Don’t forget the police and military are on the side of government, not the people. I see what’s happening in the Arab world where people are literally dying for freedom and I realize it will have to come to that here too but by the time we are desperate enough to do so it will be too late.

Then I see what’s happening in Europe, also democracies, where even in Greece, Spain,Ireland, France etc people respond to their crises by voting in the status quo or a very similar version of it - yet again. Obviously they are not desperate enough yet. And then when they do get that desperate the chance is it will become a blame game where minorities and immigrants will be targeted and the real causes left unaddressed.

In the US it’s the same. Obama the war criminal has just been reelected - free to wage war on Iran and support Israel’s zero sum game of driving the Palestinians out and taking over the whole of Palestine for themselves. Free to continue funding the Egyptian military, support South American coups and so on.

By: ماكين

ماكين — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 01:28:42 +0000

good luck with that! they all want perpetual growth without sustainable structure to support it.

By: Richard Schmidt

Richard Schmidt — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 00:35:51 +0000

Hannis,
Perhaps, in a similar vein, John F Kennedy’s “Ask not what your country can do for you” quote is also applicable - if you leave it up to “Government” to solve all of life’s problems, you’ll be waiting forever!

By: Hamis Hill

Hamis Hill — Fri, 07 Dec 2012 23:44:43 +0000

With the world’s economic machinery running on the pursuit of the highest returns for capital through interest on loans and this only available with unsustainable and aritificial growth, this present sysytem will not prevail against the problems of climate change.
And, with the Abrahamic religions abandoning the Mosaic injunction against usury, in favour of worshipping Mammon and slaughtering each other, no answers there.
Small communities of committed individuals, however, may be able to band together to protect themslves against the collapse of immoral religion and the imminent bankruptcy of the corrupted, fixed and freedom hating market.
Time for all those survivalists to start dusting off those old instruments.
It is called the precautionary principle.
“They”, the cause of all these difficulties, are never going to solve anything. “We” will.
To believe otherwise is a form of idolatry.
“They” do not exist, stop supplicating “Them”, stop sacrificing your children to “Them”.
“We’re the Department of Youth! We’ve got the power”.
Alice Cooper may have been right, and all the has beens wrong.

By: Person Ordinary

Person Ordinary — Fri, 07 Dec 2012 22:20:18 +0000

A couple of years ago, after a long spell of extreme heat, and with a forecast the next day of 45 degrees and 90kmh winds, I pleaded with an otherwise intelligent and responsible person to take my loved ones away from a pretty Victorian country town because of the risk of bushfire. I got laughter and complacent assurance that the town in question “would not burn.”

24 hours later, many very similar towns burned down and almost 200 people were killed, in the Black Saturday bushfires.

We are now in a similar position on a global scale. And still many people drift along, their heads all muddled with distraction, denial and deluded self interest. And tomorrow, they will be too busy to peek through the curtains from their air conditioned comfort to see that the world is ablaze and there is nowhere to run …

This time, though, we are all in it together. Those who are aware can not simply make plans for themselves, and be forced to watch, with horror, the suffering of those left behind. This time, if we can’t wake enough of these plodders up, we all suffer the same fate.

… and when the tragedy starts to unfold, where is the mob going to direct its rage? At those who tried to raise the alarm, or those who assured them everything was going to be ok, and science was just one big conspiracy? If you are going to peddle ignorance, you may just want to cover your tracks …

By: Person Ordinary

Person Ordinary — Fri, 07 Dec 2012 20:52:45 +0000

It takes a special kind of idiot to wear climate change denial as if it were a badge of honour.

Unfortunately, there are so many of these special idiots that the negotiators at Doha are not armed with informed political will. It really is just theatre, with most of the audience falling asleep, not realising that with just one spark the whole place will burn.

For those who are awake and attentive, it really is a horror show …

By: Liamj

Liamj — Fri, 07 Dec 2012 20:46:05 +0000

It is obviously not a good thing Ian, but it is a ‘good think’ if one is planning on continuing to live in the style to which we have become accustomed. Producing these rationalisions for extreme selfishness is the last growth industry.

By: Ian

Ian — Fri, 07 Dec 2012 16:30:14 +0000

Sorry good thing not think.

By: Ian

Ian — Fri, 07 Dec 2012 09:54:05 +0000

So Scott is it a good think that meaningful agreements on climate change have gone out the window? If so for who?

By: Rais

Rais — Fri, 07 Dec 2012 08:51:40 +0000

“…new deal to reduce emissions will take longer than expected…” — I don’t expect them ever to reach an agreement. How can it take longer than that?

By: Scott

Scott — Fri, 07 Dec 2012 03:56:16 +0000

Without the top 5 emmitters being involved (China, the US, India, Russia and Japan…covering 57% of all emissions), the new Kyoto protocal is a damp squib anyway.

The world has moved on from the heady days of 2007 and 2009 when everyone believed that the world was cooking. Now it’s just scientists big noting themselves, developed nations placating the left, rent seeking from the developing nations trying to make a buck, while the NGO’s enjoy the perks of travelling to exotic destinations to “lobby”, all on the charity dollar.

It’s just theatre at the moment.