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	<title>Comments on: Screw the grant process, scientists should go crowdsurfing</title>
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		<title>By: Matt Hardin</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/12/06/screw-the-grant-process-scientists-should-go-crowdsurfing/comment-page-1/#comment-231457</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Hardin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 07:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With you in principle Mii but the consequences to the individual are very high - higher than most can stomach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With you in principle Mii but the consequences to the individual are very high - higher than most can stomach.</p>
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		<title>By: Mii</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 08:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chris Jones: Fear not. Perhaps a tale of your plight will bring tears to the eyes of a Monsanto Executive? 

@James Butler: True true. All politicians do is court the banal. I would love to hear the opposition do what you suggest, instead of offering the same bailing out banks, mega corporations  and spending on useless wars as the Labor Party. Really, why don&#039;t they merge with them and save us the money?

@Matt Hardin: Time for a revolution. The Internet has freed up science the same way it freed musicians from the record companies, which is to say: not at all! Don&#039;t expect change to come from the government. Flip the ARC the bird the old fashion way and head overseas, or the new way by crowdsourcing. Who gives a f* about ARC prestige if your research gets results?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chris Jones: Fear not. Perhaps a tale of your plight will bring tears to the eyes of a Monsanto Executive? </p>
<p>@James Butler: True true. All politicians do is court the banal. I would love to hear the opposition do what you suggest, instead of offering the same bailing out banks, mega corporations  and spending on useless wars as the Labor Party. Really, why don&#8217;t they merge with them and save us the money?</p>
<p>@Matt Hardin: Time for a revolution. The Internet has freed up science the same way it freed musicians from the record companies, which is to say: not at all! Don&#8217;t expect change to come from the government. Flip the ARC the bird the old fashion way and head overseas, or the new way by crowdsourcing. Who gives a f* about ARC prestige if your research gets results?</p>
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		<title>By: AR</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/12/06/screw-the-grant-process-scientists-should-go-crowdsurfing/comment-page-1/#comment-231245</link>
		<dc:creator>AR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 09:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems like a good idea but pales beside the mega buck$ wasted over the last half century to find something crook to say about cannabis.
Also, the retro god botheres, scientific obfuscationists &amp; corporate shills have much deeper pockets to fuzz &amp; obscure real research that might threaten their hegemony.
An old saying from the hippie daze was &quot;it&#039;ll be a grand time when education, health &amp; public housing have unlimited fund and the war mongers have to hild bake sales&quot;.
Jes&#039;sayin...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like a good idea but pales beside the mega buck$ wasted over the last half century to find something crook to say about cannabis.<br />
Also, the retro god botheres, scientific obfuscationists &amp; corporate shills have much deeper pockets to fuzz &amp; obscure real research that might threaten their hegemony.<br />
An old saying from the hippie daze was &#8220;it&#8217;ll be a grand time when education, health &amp; public housing have unlimited fund and the war mongers have to hild bake sales&#8221;.<br />
Jes&#8217;sayin&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Hardin</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/12/06/screw-the-grant-process-scientists-should-go-crowdsurfing/comment-page-1/#comment-231122</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Hardin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 00:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another problem is that crowd sourced funds will not attract the kudos out respect that competitive grants like ARC or NHMRC. It is more important to university managers to get the grant than do work and have papers funded by other sources. There is little incentive to go for crowd sourced money; it just wouldn&#039;t count for promotions etc..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another problem is that crowd sourced funds will not attract the kudos out respect that competitive grants like ARC or NHMRC. It is more important to university managers to get the grant than do work and have papers funded by other sources. There is little incentive to go for crowd sourced money; it just wouldn&#8217;t count for promotions etc..</p>
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		<title>By: James Butler</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/12/06/screw-the-grant-process-scientists-should-go-crowdsurfing/comment-page-1/#comment-231076</link>
		<dc:creator>James Butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 07:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is truly sad that governments are too busy bailing out banks, mega corporations and spending on useless wars and nation building other countries, when Our tax money should be going to important things like Infrastructure, medical research, curing cancer and advancing humanity into the future..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is truly sad that governments are too busy bailing out banks, mega corporations and spending on useless wars and nation building other countries, when Our tax money should be going to important things like Infrastructure, medical research, curing cancer and advancing humanity into the future..</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/12/06/screw-the-grant-process-scientists-should-go-crowdsurfing/comment-page-1/#comment-231007</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 00:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an ECR, I am well familiar with the situation.  However, I suspect that the health sciences will benefit the most from crowdsourcing funds, as it bears a strong link to the hearts and minds of the taxpaying public.  I somehow doubt that my field; agricultural biotechnology, would excel in sourcing the popular dollar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an ECR, I am well familiar with the situation.  However, I suspect that the health sciences will benefit the most from crowdsourcing funds, as it bears a strong link to the hearts and minds of the taxpaying public.  I somehow doubt that my field; agricultural biotechnology, would excel in sourcing the popular dollar.</p>
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