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	<title>Comments on: Bruce Haigh: it&#8217;s just not cricket playing with oppressive Sri Lanka</title>
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		<title>By: AR</title>
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		<dc:creator>AR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 22:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WarrenJ - it was a general point that the Raj disposed the world to suit t&#039;mills, hence Gandhi&#039;s khadi phantasy and the symbol on the Indian flag.
Who can forget the Kinkarra ads (or .. was it Bushells..?)TV ads of the 50s showing a delicate Deccan beauty daintily picking &quot;just the top leaves for our tea..&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WarrenJ - it was a general point that the Raj disposed the world to suit t&#8217;mills, hence Gandhi&#8217;s khadi phantasy and the symbol on the Indian flag.<br />
Who can forget the Kinkarra ads (or .. was it Bushells..?)TV ads of the 50s showing a delicate Deccan beauty daintily picking &#8220;just the top leaves for our tea..&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Warren Joffe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren Joffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 13:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You seem to know a bit about Lanka (calling it Lanka is one tell) but understate the time the Tamils have been there (in the north).  As for &quot;the good of Manchester&#039;s mills&quot; you don&#039;t need to walk up Sir Thomas Lipton peak to know that that the later Tamil population were brought in to pick tea leaves.  Not a sign of cotton growing anywhere in those hills, though you will find the good old traditions of a Malthusian world still showing up if you ask why a very old women seem to be the preferred tea-pickers on a given plantation.  The answer would probably be that the Colombo based Sinhalese (or Tamil I suppose) owner doesn&#039;t like paying the Socialist Republic&#039;s minimum wage of 500 rupees a day and can get them to work for 400 (say $3.50). The Sinhalese wouldn&#039;t have needed the work when, as in fact now, life was extremely easy, with no heating bills (though maybe some if they went up to the tea country, fish and fruit in abundance for practically nothing even if they had to buy them, and no modern medical care to buy anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You seem to know a bit about Lanka (calling it Lanka is one tell) but understate the time the Tamils have been there (in the north).  As for &#8220;the good of Manchester&#8217;s mills&#8221; you don&#8217;t need to walk up Sir Thomas Lipton peak to know that that the later Tamil population were brought in to pick tea leaves.  Not a sign of cotton growing anywhere in those hills, though you will find the good old traditions of a Malthusian world still showing up if you ask why a very old women seem to be the preferred tea-pickers on a given plantation.  The answer would probably be that the Colombo based Sinhalese (or Tamil I suppose) owner doesn&#8217;t like paying the Socialist Republic&#8217;s minimum wage of 500 rupees a day and can get them to work for 400 (say $3.50). The Sinhalese wouldn&#8217;t have needed the work when, as in fact now, life was extremely easy, with no heating bills (though maybe some if they went up to the tea country, fish and fruit in abundance for practically nothing even if they had to buy them, and no modern medical care to buy anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: AR</title>
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		<dc:creator>AR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 10:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.. oops, that would be &quot;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;compliant&lt;/b&gt;, biddable &lt;b&gt;indentured&lt;/b&gt; labour&lt;/i&gt;&quot;.
One day I&#039;ll remember to reread before hitting POST.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>.. oops, that would be &#8220;<i><b>compliant</b>, biddable <b>indentured</b> labour</i>&#8221;.<br />
One day I&#8217;ll remember to reread before hitting POST.</p>
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		<title>By: AR</title>
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		<dc:creator>AR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 10:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just for some perspective, in hindoo mythology, Lanka was considered to be the land of demons,  where the sometime antagonist of Rama, Ravana the Rakshahsha king, reigned.
In more pure, less nationalistic times of the Vedas he was actually a devotee of Shiva, a concept difficult for most westerners to grasp, the Creative Destroyer.
Of course Tamils have been there for centuries but, as in Fiji and east Africa, specifically Kenya, Uganda and not forgetting Zuid Afrika where Gandhi became anti imperialist, it was the propensity of the Raj to transport complaint, biddable endentured labour to colonies where the natives were deemed unfit (usually uninterested)for serfdom for the greater good of Manchester&#039;s mills.
And so it goes...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for some perspective, in hindoo mythology, Lanka was considered to be the land of demons,  where the sometime antagonist of Rama, Ravana the Rakshahsha king, reigned.<br />
In more pure, less nationalistic times of the Vedas he was actually a devotee of Shiva, a concept difficult for most westerners to grasp, the Creative Destroyer.<br />
Of course Tamils have been there for centuries but, as in Fiji and east Africa, specifically Kenya, Uganda and not forgetting Zuid Afrika where Gandhi became anti imperialist, it was the propensity of the Raj to transport complaint, biddable endentured labour to colonies where the natives were deemed unfit (usually uninterested)for serfdom for the greater good of Manchester&#8217;s mills.<br />
And so it goes&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Warren Joffe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren Joffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 06:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think I said or implied anything about you CML.  My comment was made immediately after Joel&#039;s unconstructive sniping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think I said or implied anything about you CML.  My comment was made immediately after Joel&#8217;s unconstructive sniping.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Pulvirenti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie Pulvirenti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 04:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couldn&#039;t agree more CML. By virture of the fact that anyone can call themselves an asylum seeker and legally attempt to enter Australia is precisely what we are seeing. It would appear that Australia is not the only country that is being taken for a ride see attached link. 
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-gets-tough-with-romanian-asylum-seekers/article5992117/?cmpid=rss1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t agree more CML. By virture of the fact that anyone can call themselves an asylum seeker and legally attempt to enter Australia is precisely what we are seeing. It would appear that Australia is not the only country that is being taken for a ride see attached link.<br />
<a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-gets-tough-with-romanian-asylum-seekers/article5992117/?cmpid=rss1" rel="nofollow">http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-gets-tough-with-romanian-asylum-seekers/article5992117/?cmpid=rss1</a></p>
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		<title>By: CML</title>
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		<dc:creator>CML</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 02:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well it is very easy for the likes of Joel and Warren to attack the messenger  -  me!  How about concentrating on the problem instead of the person?
I am NOT against GENUINE refugees coming to this country.  In fact, I applaud the increase in the humanitarian intake to 20,000 and think it should be further increased.  But surely anyone with half a brain should realise that there has to be some order in the process.  There has to be the &quot;fairness&quot; element.

I deplore the &quot;selective cmpassion&quot; of the advocacy industry, because that means we spend billions of dollars on only the rich few who can afford to pay for passage on a boat.  Why not spend this money in the source countries to improve the lives of ALL the people, not just those with money?  It was recently reported from a fishing village in Indonesia that some men had tried SEVEN TIMES to get into Australia.  Where do they get the money from?  Is anyone seriously suggesting that these people are genuine refugees?
BTW, the TV program where Tamils were questioned by a reporter  -  from my recollection, many of these people were in southern India, and under no &quot;pressure&quot; to say what the Sri Lankan government wanted them to say.  They were all economic would be refugees.  Get it right!!
The world will NOT be made a better place by wrecking the successful multiculuralism program we have had in Australia for decades. There are already signs this is happening.  The minority who continue to get their selfish way, will only accelerate the process.  I hope you all enjoy your &quot;good&quot; work!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it is very easy for the likes of Joel and Warren to attack the messenger  -  me!  How about concentrating on the problem instead of the person?<br />
I am NOT against GENUINE refugees coming to this country.  In fact, I applaud the increase in the humanitarian intake to 20,000 and think it should be further increased.  But surely anyone with half a brain should realise that there has to be some order in the process.  There has to be the &#8220;fairness&#8221; element.</p>
<p>I deplore the &#8220;selective cmpassion&#8221; of the advocacy industry, because that means we spend billions of dollars on only the rich few who can afford to pay for passage on a boat.  Why not spend this money in the source countries to improve the lives of ALL the people, not just those with money?  It was recently reported from a fishing village in Indonesia that some men had tried SEVEN TIMES to get into Australia.  Where do they get the money from?  Is anyone seriously suggesting that these people are genuine refugees?<br />
BTW, the TV program where Tamils were questioned by a reporter  -  from my recollection, many of these people were in southern India, and under no &#8220;pressure&#8221; to say what the Sri Lankan government wanted them to say.  They were all economic would be refugees.  Get it right!!<br />
The world will NOT be made a better place by wrecking the successful multiculuralism program we have had in Australia for decades. There are already signs this is happening.  The minority who continue to get their selfish way, will only accelerate the process.  I hope you all enjoy your &#8220;good&#8221; work!!</p>
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		<title>By: Warren Joffe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren Joffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 21:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Grandma used to say &quot;It&#039;s easy to criticise&quot;.  

Yes Grandma, and if you would only learn to use your IPad and do some blogging you could fire off regurgitated prejudices in myriad forms without having spent five minutes on thinking through the outcomes of what you propose or thinking what might actually work and make the world a better place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Grandma used to say &#8220;It&#8217;s easy to criticise&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Yes Grandma, and if you would only learn to use your IPad and do some blogging you could fire off regurgitated prejudices in myriad forms without having spent five minutes on thinking through the outcomes of what you propose or thinking what might actually work and make the world a better place.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 15:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we should all thank CML for his transcript of a First Dog comic. CML: do you have any others planned?

http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/06/25/%E2%80%A6then-where-will-we-be/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we should all thank CML for his transcript of a First Dog comic. CML: do you have any others planned?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/06/25/%E2%80%A6then-where-will-we-be/" rel="nofollow">http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/06/25/%E2%80%A6then-where-will-we-be/</a></p>
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		<title>By: CML</title>
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		<dc:creator>CML</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 15:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I notice none of you bloggers commented on Tom Makin&#039;s point.  If the Government of Sri Lanka wants to get rid of the Tamils (genocide indeed!!), why are they very actively stopping these people from getting on boats to come to Australia?  And taking them back!  According to this article and some commentators here, the Sri Lankan government have two directly opposed policies operating at the same time!  If that is the case, how come anybody knows what is going on in that country?
Further, why is it that a MINORITY of people in Oz think it is our duty to solve all the problems of the world?  Wars are fought, won and lost.  There are victors and vanquished.  The latter do not have such a good time of it in ANY war, whether it be Sri Lanka, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Egypt or anywhere else.  And as for this cry of &quot;civilians are being killed&quot;.  Well guess what, history tells us that civilians have been killed by the millions in ALL wars and their aftermath.
When is the refugee advocate industry here going to realise that a small nation of 22 million people cannot possibly continue to take in the millions of people who want to come here?  Absolutely NONE of you will ever say how many people we must accept, or how much money this country must spend to satisfy your incessant demands.  It may only be 20,000+ this year, but if we allow everyone to stay here who arrives unannounced, very soon it will be hundreds of thousands.  What then?
As I have said before on this blog, most of you have no idea who you are demanding be let into this country.  And, for the record, I&#039;m not &quot;afraid&quot;.  Just blo+dy angry that the majority of people in this country are being dictated to by people smugglers, their customers and a minority of do-gooders.  Very well assisted by the legal system in this country.  Why are these so called asylum seekers even permitted access to our courts?  Most Australian citizens could only dream of bringing a case before the courts in their own country, let alone the High Court.  Yet these non-citizens and their lawyers are funded by the very people the legal system denies access  -  the ordinary TAXPAYERS of Australia.  Total load of bull+hit, Bruce Haigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I notice none of you bloggers commented on Tom Makin&#8217;s point.  If the Government of Sri Lanka wants to get rid of the Tamils (genocide indeed!!), why are they very actively stopping these people from getting on boats to come to Australia?  And taking them back!  According to this article and some commentators here, the Sri Lankan government have two directly opposed policies operating at the same time!  If that is the case, how come anybody knows what is going on in that country?<br />
Further, why is it that a MINORITY of people in Oz think it is our duty to solve all the problems of the world?  Wars are fought, won and lost.  There are victors and vanquished.  The latter do not have such a good time of it in ANY war, whether it be Sri Lanka, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Egypt or anywhere else.  And as for this cry of &#8220;civilians are being killed&#8221;.  Well guess what, history tells us that civilians have been killed by the millions in ALL wars and their aftermath.<br />
When is the refugee advocate industry here going to realise that a small nation of 22 million people cannot possibly continue to take in the millions of people who want to come here?  Absolutely NONE of you will ever say how many people we must accept, or how much money this country must spend to satisfy your incessant demands.  It may only be 20,000+ this year, but if we allow everyone to stay here who arrives unannounced, very soon it will be hundreds of thousands.  What then?<br />
As I have said before on this blog, most of you have no idea who you are demanding be let into this country.  And, for the record, I&#8217;m not &#8220;afraid&#8221;.  Just blo+dy angry that the majority of people in this country are being dictated to by people smugglers, their customers and a minority of do-gooders.  Very well assisted by the legal system in this country.  Why are these so called asylum seekers even permitted access to our courts?  Most Australian citizens could only dream of bringing a case before the courts in their own country, let alone the High Court.  Yet these non-citizens and their lawyers are funded by the very people the legal system denies access  -  the ordinary TAXPAYERS of Australia.  Total load of bull+hit, Bruce Haigh.</p>
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		<title>By: michael crook</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael crook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 10:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the article. Sadly in todays Australia, the term genocide does not resonate. But genocide it was/is. In many ways just like the state sponsored terrorism that we ourselves engage in in Iraq and Afghanistan. Perhaps there is another word for it?  &quot;Just war&quot; perhaps?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the article. Sadly in todays Australia, the term genocide does not resonate. But genocide it was/is. In many ways just like the state sponsored terrorism that we ourselves engage in in Iraq and Afghanistan. Perhaps there is another word for it?  &#8220;Just war&#8221; perhaps?</p>
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		<title>By: James Butler</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 07:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Racism is the only reason they get sent back to Srilanka, if these where white skinned asylum seekers, they&#039;d be processed instantly. Fact is majority of illegal immigrants are actually from the United Kingdom (look it up), but no one&#039;s screaming about that, pure Australian racism, pure Australian shame. Shame on the media and people who support Racism and shame on the government for supporting minority racist ideologies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Racism is the only reason they get sent back to Srilanka, if these where white skinned asylum seekers, they&#8217;d be processed instantly. Fact is majority of illegal immigrants are actually from the United Kingdom (look it up), but no one&#8217;s screaming about that, pure Australian racism, pure Australian shame. Shame on the media and people who support Racism and shame on the government for supporting minority racist ideologies.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry Hatrick, OAP</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerry Hatrick, OAP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 06:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, it&#039;s really hard worrying about brown people in a faraway land when CARBON PRICE and QUESTIONS TO ANSWER and STERP DA BERTS!

Hats off to one K. Rudd who successfully swept it all under the carpet</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, it&#8217;s really hard worrying about brown people in a faraway land when CARBON PRICE and QUESTIONS TO ANSWER and STERP DA BERTS!</p>
<p>Hats off to one K. Rudd who successfully swept it all under the carpet</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 06:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce&#039;s memory may be faulty on what we have to thank John Howard for. It was Bob Hawke who first coined the &quot;we will decide who comes here&quot; phase.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce&#8217;s memory may be faulty on what we have to thank John Howard for. It was Bob Hawke who first coined the &#8220;we will decide who comes here&#8221; phase.</p>
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		<title>By: AsGrayAs</title>
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		<dc:creator>AsGrayAs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 05:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ditto @Bob the builder.  I have, many times, heard a scoff of dismissal in response to news stories re: hunger-striking and lip-sewing refugees in Australian detention centres.  These protesting asylum-seekers are being let down by a succession of governments unwilling to act in accordance with international law and UN obligations; populist politics, but only ever listening to the fearful vocal minority.  Weak.
@Siva, thanks to you too for your comment.  These practices are standard, unfortunately.  Our diplomats, trade officials, etc., are either too stupid to see through the veneer provided by the SL government/military, or they are knowingly turning a blind eye.  Trusting that back home in Oz, the dispassionate voting public either won&#039;t care, or are being blindsided by the &#039;tsunami of illegals&#039; flooding our shores...  I continue to be baffled by the fact that the refugee issue is even considered an issue. 
I really shouldn&#039;t be, though; I know where I live...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ditto @Bob the builder.  I have, many times, heard a scoff of dismissal in response to news stories re: hunger-striking and lip-sewing refugees in Australian detention centres.  These protesting asylum-seekers are being let down by a succession of governments unwilling to act in accordance with international law and UN obligations; populist politics, but only ever listening to the fearful vocal minority.  Weak.<br />
@Siva, thanks to you too for your comment.  These practices are standard, unfortunately.  Our diplomats, trade officials, etc., are either too stupid to see through the veneer provided by the SL government/military, or they are knowingly turning a blind eye.  Trusting that back home in Oz, the dispassionate voting public either won&#8217;t care, or are being blindsided by the &#8216;tsunami of illegals&#8217; flooding our shores&#8230;  I continue to be baffled by the fact that the refugee issue is even considered an issue.<br />
I really shouldn&#8217;t be, though; I know where I live&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Warren Joffe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren Joffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 05:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My elderly mother is delighted to have a bit of rough gardening and house cleaning done by a not too demanding unionised Tamil and I guess lots of Crikey readers and families wouldn&#039;t mind a bit of the advantage the entrenched locals have usually had from the immigration of relatively impoverished foreigners with a bit of nous and a background of work ethic.  So, it is easy to sympathise with our letting in more Tamils who are at least as likely to speak English as any Sinhalese (though not Burgers of course) and more likely to work hard.  That&#039;s just self-inerest making humanitarianism easy.

I wonder about Bruce Haigh&#039;s credentials though.  I see his name as a retired diplomat and so, this time, have looked up his CV.  Looks like he fell out with the Keating government (or maybe Gareth Evans in testy mood). Could that have been because he said rude things about Keating&#039;s mate Soeharto and was unwise enough to suggest that the Bandaranike dynasty were just as bad (not true but not totally untrue)?  Anyway he seems only to have served v. briefly in Sri Lanka, where, btw, the Rajapakse clan really are approaching the Soeharto league.

But, also, Bruce if you are there, or maybe someone else could tell us about that Chinese naval base on the &quot;west coast&quot;.   Is that meant to be a reference to Hambantota which is decidely not on the west coast but just to the west of the centre of the south coast, and not near to the turning point to the north which only the 2004 tsunami negotiated easily and swiftly?

The Tamil business is not nearly as simple as BH and some comments suggest though a shrewd remark was made about Sri Lanka in a recent Atlantic article to the effect that the Sinhalese are the only majority who behave and think as though they are a minority (no doubt because of the vast numbers of Tamils to the north in Tamil Nadu - in SL the total number is only about 17 per cent and they divide into two different communities historically and geographically).  Amongst the problems once one sets aside the baleful influence of Bandaranaike opportunism from the 1950s in the Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka are, e.g. the fascist nature of the terrorist Tamil regime in the far north where the oppression of their own people was appalling, especially the uneducated peasantry and fishermen: let&#039;s not forget that it was those Hindus who invented modern suicide bombing as a political tactic; e.g. the general ignorance amongst Sinhalese of their own history and demography (for example not knowing that the 8 per cent or so of &quot;plantation Tamils&quot; dating back to the foundation of British tea estate in the mountains of the south are a totally different community from the 9 per cent Tamils of the north who - another fact unknown to a typical Sinhales - have been there 1000 years and even were part of a Hindu kingdom of most of Ceylon.  But.... before I go on....

The treatment of the Tamils is nothing like the treatment of blacks in Apartheid era South Africa except that one can find a hotelier or boarding house owner having to decide not to try and employ Tamils and Sinhalese together, even now when the civil war is over, because they don&#039;t get on....   Funny when you hear Sinhalese, with very dark skins (much more suited to Australian sun than the Anglo-Celtic or Slav) speaking of the Tamils as black, or &quot;very dark&quot; (and therefore recognisable) in often somewhat disparaging tones.  But Apartheid, forget about it.  As Doestevsky might have put it, every unhappy country is unhappy in its own way.  

Of course Sri Lanka was made to be paradise and blew its chances when it had good foreign exchange reservers in the mid 50s, Singapore had none to speak of, and one Cambridge educated leader - Lee Kwan Yew, showed another - Solomon Dias Bandaranaike, how to govern a country effectively. (One tiny clue:  the practical Lee did nothing like the idiotic politicking of Bandaranaike in attempting to establish just one national language - and not English or Tamil, and one national religion - Buddhism, in a country with many Hindus, Muslims and various flavours of Christianity.  But Lee didn&#039;t try to appeal to allies on the left....Temptation to say something about Gillard foregone....).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My elderly mother is delighted to have a bit of rough gardening and house cleaning done by a not too demanding unionised Tamil and I guess lots of Crikey readers and families wouldn&#8217;t mind a bit of the advantage the entrenched locals have usually had from the immigration of relatively impoverished foreigners with a bit of nous and a background of work ethic.  So, it is easy to sympathise with our letting in more Tamils who are at least as likely to speak English as any Sinhalese (though not Burgers of course) and more likely to work hard.  That&#8217;s just self-inerest making humanitarianism easy.</p>
<p>I wonder about Bruce Haigh&#8217;s credentials though.  I see his name as a retired diplomat and so, this time, have looked up his CV.  Looks like he fell out with the Keating government (or maybe Gareth Evans in testy mood). Could that have been because he said rude things about Keating&#8217;s mate Soeharto and was unwise enough to suggest that the Bandaranike dynasty were just as bad (not true but not totally untrue)?  Anyway he seems only to have served v. briefly in Sri Lanka, where, btw, the Rajapakse clan really are approaching the Soeharto league.</p>
<p>But, also, Bruce if you are there, or maybe someone else could tell us about that Chinese naval base on the &#8220;west coast&#8221;.   Is that meant to be a reference to Hambantota which is decidely not on the west coast but just to the west of the centre of the south coast, and not near to the turning point to the north which only the 2004 tsunami negotiated easily and swiftly?</p>
<p>The Tamil business is not nearly as simple as BH and some comments suggest though a shrewd remark was made about Sri Lanka in a recent Atlantic article to the effect that the Sinhalese are the only majority who behave and think as though they are a minority (no doubt because of the vast numbers of Tamils to the north in Tamil Nadu - in SL the total number is only about 17 per cent and they divide into two different communities historically and geographically).  Amongst the problems once one sets aside the baleful influence of Bandaranaike opportunism from the 1950s in the Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka are, e.g. the fascist nature of the terrorist Tamil regime in the far north where the oppression of their own people was appalling, especially the uneducated peasantry and fishermen: let&#8217;s not forget that it was those Hindus who invented modern suicide bombing as a political tactic; e.g. the general ignorance amongst Sinhalese of their own history and demography (for example not knowing that the 8 per cent or so of &#8220;plantation Tamils&#8221; dating back to the foundation of British tea estate in the mountains of the south are a totally different community from the 9 per cent Tamils of the north who - another fact unknown to a typical Sinhales - have been there 1000 years and even were part of a Hindu kingdom of most of Ceylon.  But&#8230;. before I go on&#8230;.</p>
<p>The treatment of the Tamils is nothing like the treatment of blacks in Apartheid era South Africa except that one can find a hotelier or boarding house owner having to decide not to try and employ Tamils and Sinhalese together, even now when the civil war is over, because they don&#8217;t get on&#8230;.   Funny when you hear Sinhalese, with very dark skins (much more suited to Australian sun than the Anglo-Celtic or Slav) speaking of the Tamils as black, or &#8220;very dark&#8221; (and therefore recognisable) in often somewhat disparaging tones.  But Apartheid, forget about it.  As Doestevsky might have put it, every unhappy country is unhappy in its own way.  </p>
<p>Of course Sri Lanka was made to be paradise and blew its chances when it had good foreign exchange reservers in the mid 50s, Singapore had none to speak of, and one Cambridge educated leader - Lee Kwan Yew, showed another - Solomon Dias Bandaranaike, how to govern a country effectively. (One tiny clue:  the practical Lee did nothing like the idiotic politicking of Bandaranaike in attempting to establish just one national language - and not English or Tamil, and one national religion - Buddhism, in a country with many Hindus, Muslims and various flavours of Christianity.  But Lee didn&#8217;t try to appeal to allies on the left&#8230;.Temptation to say something about Gillard foregone&#8230;.).</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Makin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Makin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 04:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooh, looks better with proper capitals. Might subscribe to this site, it has good discussions.</description>
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		<title>By: Tom Makin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Makin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 04:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The government is ethnically cleansing out the Tamils but they spend so much money to guard their coast and try to stop them from leaving? Put some common sense into the debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The government is ethnically cleansing out the Tamils but they spend so much money to guard their coast and try to stop them from leaving? Put some common sense into the debate.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Makin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Makin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 04:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Siva, we can all keep on going on claims and counter claims forever. The fact is no one knows what the real situation is in Sri Lanka.  There were many who admitted to be economic migrants and were returned. They put people who try to leave in prison as a deterrence so people won&#039;t leave. If they&#039;re interested in cleansing out the Tamils they would have let them all leave the country freely.

The Tamil Tigers used civilians as human shield and you blame it all on the government. Be fair now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Siva, we can all keep on going on claims and counter claims forever. The fact is no one knows what the real situation is in Sri Lanka.  There were many who admitted to be economic migrants and were returned. They put people who try to leave in prison as a deterrence so people won&#8217;t leave. If they&#8217;re interested in cleansing out the Tamils they would have let them all leave the country freely.</p>
<p>The Tamil Tigers used civilians as human shield and you blame it all on the government. Be fair now.</p>
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		<title>By: Lewis Stoll</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lewis Stoll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 04:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody is suggesting that the Sri Lankan government isn&#039;t corrupt, dysfunctional and by many reports, oppressive towards civil disobedience but if we are to put things into perspective:
- the LTTE were are terrorist organisation that destroyed public infrastructure, used human shields, employed child soldiers and killed innocent civilians throughout the civil war. This was a war and they were by no means innocent. I would have strong reservations in granting asylum to a member of the LTTE. It is true that the conflict arose from tensions caused by systemic socio-political marginalization of Tamils but the violent facts still remain.
- the Tamils, while traditionally a marginalised minority are integrated into many facets of Sri Lankan society. From the tea pickers in Nuweralya to the current vice captain of the Sri Lankan cricket team, Angelo Mathews(not to mention Muttiah Muralidaran, the country&#039;s greatest cricketer). Given how entrenched state politics are in the cricket board, I doubt Mathews would be playing, let alone vice captain, if everyday Tamils (not LTTE sympathisers) were as oppressed as the article suggests. 

Yes it is true that in the north (Jaffna), the Tamil community are socio economically disadvantaged. This is a legacy of previous political values that will take time to heal. The government appears to be trying to manage dissidence and LTTE sympathy.Like any normal person, I abhor the way they have used violence and oppression in this scenario but without ever living through a civil war it&#039;s easy to sit back and criticise from the comfort of Australia. 

So what do we do? Boycott the series? Boycott Sri Lanka? All that serves to do is take away one thing that helps to distract Sri Lankan people from the rigours of living in a third world country. The passion for cricket over there is rivalled only by India. Why punish the players and the citizens for actions by the government? The same applies to travelling there. Sri Lanka is a fascinating country filled with amazing food and friendly people. A western guilt complex wont help them. I really detest this banning, boycotting, removing culture we are creating. Perhaps instead of advocating for boycotts, the author could try to get a hold of Kumar Sangakarra or current captain Mahela Jayawardena and write a piece on their views about the situation and the glue that cricket is to their society at the moment..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody is suggesting that the Sri Lankan government isn&#8217;t corrupt, dysfunctional and by many reports, oppressive towards civil disobedience but if we are to put things into perspective:<br />
- the LTTE were are terrorist organisation that destroyed public infrastructure, used human shields, employed child soldiers and killed innocent civilians throughout the civil war. This was a war and they were by no means innocent. I would have strong reservations in granting asylum to a member of the LTTE. It is true that the conflict arose from tensions caused by systemic socio-political marginalization of Tamils but the violent facts still remain.<br />
- the Tamils, while traditionally a marginalised minority are integrated into many facets of Sri Lankan society. From the tea pickers in Nuweralya to the current vice captain of the Sri Lankan cricket team, Angelo Mathews(not to mention Muttiah Muralidaran, the country&#8217;s greatest cricketer). Given how entrenched state politics are in the cricket board, I doubt Mathews would be playing, let alone vice captain, if everyday Tamils (not LTTE sympathisers) were as oppressed as the article suggests. </p>
<p>Yes it is true that in the north (Jaffna), the Tamil community are socio economically disadvantaged. This is a legacy of previous political values that will take time to heal. The government appears to be trying to manage dissidence and LTTE sympathy.Like any normal person, I abhor the way they have used violence and oppression in this scenario but without ever living through a civil war it&#8217;s easy to sit back and criticise from the comfort of Australia. </p>
<p>So what do we do? Boycott the series? Boycott Sri Lanka? All that serves to do is take away one thing that helps to distract Sri Lankan people from the rigours of living in a third world country. The passion for cricket over there is rivalled only by India. Why punish the players and the citizens for actions by the government? The same applies to travelling there. Sri Lanka is a fascinating country filled with amazing food and friendly people. A western guilt complex wont help them. I really detest this banning, boycotting, removing culture we are creating. Perhaps instead of advocating for boycotts, the author could try to get a hold of Kumar Sangakarra or current captain Mahela Jayawardena and write a piece on their views about the situation and the glue that cricket is to their society at the moment..</p>
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		<title>By: Siva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Siva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 04:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes I did see the SBS programme, However these people were interviewed in front and on the supervisation of the Sinhalese Sri Lankan aremd forces and the police. Many peole interviewed in the east had their faces and identificatin showed. What else will you expect them to state the truth or what the Sri Lankan government wants them to state. The SBS reporter had revealed theri identity openly and will leave for Australia but these people would have had to face the horrible consequences if they had really stated the truth. Espwcially if they are Tamils. 
The thing with most diplomats and the western media is they do not really want to know the truth as itis very uncomfortable for them or their governments so sit in luxurious hotels in Colombo or other southern cities where they are wined and dined lavishly at the expense of the Sri Lankan government and then taken on tours by the Sri Lankan government or Armed forces to certain show case villages or prjects and come back and psot glowing false reports on how well the Tamils are treated by the Sri Lankan government when in reality it is the oppostie. 
This is what even the UN report stated. Far more innocenet Tamil civilians died under hands of the Sri Lankan aremd forces far grater in number than Bosnia Sebrenica Syria Libiya put toghether but the UN abd the West failed them</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I did see the SBS programme, However these people were interviewed in front and on the supervisation of the Sinhalese Sri Lankan aremd forces and the police. Many peole interviewed in the east had their faces and identificatin showed. What else will you expect them to state the truth or what the Sri Lankan government wants them to state. The SBS reporter had revealed theri identity openly and will leave for Australia but these people would have had to face the horrible consequences if they had really stated the truth. Espwcially if they are Tamils.<br />
The thing with most diplomats and the western media is they do not really want to know the truth as itis very uncomfortable for them or their governments so sit in luxurious hotels in Colombo or other southern cities where they are wined and dined lavishly at the expense of the Sri Lankan government and then taken on tours by the Sri Lankan government or Armed forces to certain show case villages or prjects and come back and psot glowing false reports on how well the Tamils are treated by the Sri Lankan government when in reality it is the oppostie.<br />
This is what even the UN report stated. Far more innocenet Tamil civilians died under hands of the Sri Lankan aremd forces far grater in number than Bosnia Sebrenica Syria Libiya put toghether but the UN abd the West failed them</p>
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		<title>By: Bob the builder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob the builder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 04:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said.  Even Maggie Thatcher was pressured by hunger-strikers in Ireland, but in today&#039;s complacent, resentful Australia, hunger-strikers are barely reported, except as being some sort of an irritating inconvenience.
We seem to have become so lazy - or so certain of our irrelevance as citizens - that we barely respond to illegal wars, mistreatment of the most vulnerable and other shameful injustices perpetrated in our name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said.  Even Maggie Thatcher was pressured by hunger-strikers in Ireland, but in today&#8217;s complacent, resentful Australia, hunger-strikers are barely reported, except as being some sort of an irritating inconvenience.<br />
We seem to have become so lazy - or so certain of our irrelevance as citizens - that we barely respond to illegal wars, mistreatment of the most vulnerable and other shameful injustices perpetrated in our name.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Makin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Makin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 03:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s difficult to get the balance right. Mark Davis from SBS did a report on Sri Lankan boat people and interviewed them. from the report, all those who appeared in it were not under threat and wanted to get to Oz for a better life. even the former commando of the Tamil Tiger said that it is safe there but he is sadden that many young people are leaving. there was allegations by human rights group about disappearance of people, do we know where they disappeared to? to Oz or Canada or was it state sanctioned oppression or non-state sanctioned corruption?

certainly Oz needs to play by the rule and give asylum seekers fair assessment process. but one needs to be careful how the interview and assessment process is conducted. the best way is to let them tell their own story and judge from it. certain way questioning could give the non-genuine refugees ideas to concoct a story to pass the vetting process. having assistance from lawyers might lead to sympathetic advocates who help them to construct stories to meet the criteria, such as the case of hirsi ali, why even help her in the first place? the fraudster makes condi rice look credible.

improper procedure could lead to encouragement of more economic migrants to come. and it&#039;s not just drowning or political issue one needs to worry about, when you create incentive for many to come they will exhaust the resources which should be directed to genuine refugees overseas desperate for a resettlement offer. but unfair procedure could end up harming those who have valid claims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s difficult to get the balance right. Mark Davis from SBS did a report on Sri Lankan boat people and interviewed them. from the report, all those who appeared in it were not under threat and wanted to get to Oz for a better life. even the former commando of the Tamil Tiger said that it is safe there but he is sadden that many young people are leaving. there was allegations by human rights group about disappearance of people, do we know where they disappeared to? to Oz or Canada or was it state sanctioned oppression or non-state sanctioned corruption?</p>
<p>certainly Oz needs to play by the rule and give asylum seekers fair assessment process. but one needs to be careful how the interview and assessment process is conducted. the best way is to let them tell their own story and judge from it. certain way questioning could give the non-genuine refugees ideas to concoct a story to pass the vetting process. having assistance from lawyers might lead to sympathetic advocates who help them to construct stories to meet the criteria, such as the case of hirsi ali, why even help her in the first place? the fraudster makes condi rice look credible.</p>
<p>improper procedure could lead to encouragement of more economic migrants to come. and it&#8217;s not just drowning or political issue one needs to worry about, when you create incentive for many to come they will exhaust the resources which should be directed to genuine refugees overseas desperate for a resettlement offer. but unfair procedure could end up harming those who have valid claims.</p>
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		<title>By: pritu</title>
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		<dc:creator>pritu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 03:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Mr Haigh. The plight of the Sri Lankan Tamils is every bit as apalling as that suffered by non-white South Africans under Apartheid. Every Australian should read Oondatjie&#039;s &quot;Anil&#039;s Ghost&quot; to get what it feels like to be in that country. Why are we playing test cricket with such an apalling country&#039;s team?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Mr Haigh. The plight of the Sri Lankan Tamils is every bit as apalling as that suffered by non-white South Africans under Apartheid. Every Australian should read Oondatjie&#8217;s &#8220;Anil&#8217;s Ghost&#8221; to get what it feels like to be in that country. Why are we playing test cricket with such an apalling country&#8217;s team?</p>
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