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		<title>By: pat drane</title>
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		<dc:creator>pat drane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With her experience climbing the greasy poles of the Labor movement, working in a firm specializing in AWU work and compensation work - she would have been exposed to all the Labor &#039;culture&#039; and plenty of Union rorters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With her experience climbing the greasy poles of the Labor movement, working in a firm specializing in AWU work and compensation work - she would have been exposed to all the Labor &#8216;culture&#8217; and plenty of Union rorters.</p>
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		<title>By: pat drane</title>
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		<dc:creator>pat drane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You fellin the same trap as Abbott - she said it wasn’t a trade union, not that it wasn’t linked to a trade union BIG difference.&quot;

Is this Julia&#039;s hair trigger defence?  A semantic play on words saves Julia you hope.

Ah - now lets look at the critical point - when did Gillard know - or more importantly should reasonably have known that the Association was a vehicle for a Wilson &amp; Blewitt&#039;s slush fund.

Gillard&#039;s defence is that she was a naive victim of Wilson&#039;s devious plan for the slush fund and she only found out about it after allegations were made in 1995.

Well what was this &quot;Workplace Reorm Assoc at al&quot; Gillard registered with the WA Authorities then??  She attested that it was not a Trade Union, and she had no idea that it was a vehicle for a slush fund in 1992.  Well what on earth did she think it was??

Wilson and Blewitt were not just a couple of blow-ins who were referred to Gillard the disinterested professional lawyer.

Gillard was the bedmate of Wilson for 3-4 years and both close to Blewitt in this period. 

Gillard was brought up on this Labor movement stuff - she was a Partner in a Labor Lawyering firm - she was not a kid - she was in her early thirties and had as she says now signed thousands of documents.

So the story that she had no idea that the Association was Wilson&#039;s shush fund vehicle when she registered it in 1992 is pure fantasy - unbelievable and farcical as a defence.

With her experience climbing the greasy poles of the Labor movement</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="dquo">&#8220;</span>You fellin the same trap as Abbott - she said it wasn’t a trade union, not that it wasn’t linked to a trade union BIG difference.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is this Julia&#8217;s hair trigger defence?  A semantic play on words saves Julia you hope.</p>
<p>Ah - now lets look at the critical point - when did Gillard know - or more importantly should reasonably have known that the Association was a vehicle for a Wilson &amp; Blewitt&#8217;s slush fund.</p>
<p>Gillard&#8217;s defence is that she was a naive victim of Wilson&#8217;s devious plan for the slush fund and she only found out about it after allegations were made in 1995.</p>
<p>Well what was this &#8220;Workplace Reorm Assoc at al&#8221; Gillard registered with the WA Authorities then??  She attested that it was not a Trade Union, and she had no idea that it was a vehicle for a slush fund in 1992.  Well what on earth did she think it was??</p>
<p>Wilson and Blewitt were not just a couple of blow-ins who were referred to Gillard the disinterested professional lawyer.</p>
<p>Gillard was the bedmate of Wilson for 3-4 years and both close to Blewitt in this period. </p>
<p>Gillard was brought up on this Labor movement stuff - she was a Partner in a Labor Lawyering firm - she was not a kid - she was in her early thirties and had as she says now signed thousands of documents.</p>
<p>So the story that she had no idea that the Association was Wilson&#8217;s shush fund vehicle when she registered it in 1992 is pure fantasy - unbelievable and farcical as a defence.</p>
<p>With her experience climbing the greasy poles of the Labor movement</p>
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		<title>By: Venise Alstergren</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/27/pm-vs-press-gallery-anatomy-of-a-tense-encounter/comment-page-3/#comment-230294</link>
		<dc:creator>Venise Alstergren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 01:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Breathless with anticipation, I switched on Question Time yesterday. Thinking to my self, &quot;This is the day the Opposition will produce the evidence that PM Julia Gillard was a crim. This was what had had the Opposition in kiniptsions (sic) for the past few months. This is what the dishonourable leader of the Opposition had been waiting for. This is what the taxpayer has been paying for Tony Rabbott&#039;s nasty vendetta.

Did he produce any evidence? None that I&#039;m aware of. Instead he pronounced the PM to show &#039;conduct unbecoming.&#039; Coming from him this was a rich brew of poison.

Looking slightly sheepish, Malcolm Turnbull didn&#039;t seem overjoyed to be reminded of the Godwin Grech scenario which had helped to place the skids under him. What a bunch of embittered old men, and a couple of women, are, who inhabit the Coalition front/back benches.

Tony Rabbott might care to pass my regards to his little ankle-biter. As with him, she is all front and no depth. I wish them all an unhappy Christmas, and a dreadful New Year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Breathless with anticipation, I switched on Question Time yesterday. Thinking to my self, &#8220;This is the day the Opposition will produce the evidence that PM Julia Gillard was a crim. This was what had had the Opposition in kiniptsions (sic) for the past few months. This is what the dishonourable leader of the Opposition had been waiting for. This is what the taxpayer has been paying for Tony Rabbott&#8217;s nasty vendetta.</p>
<p>Did he produce any evidence? None that I&#8217;m aware of. Instead he pronounced the PM to show &#8216;conduct unbecoming.&#8217; Coming from him this was a rich brew of poison.</p>
<p>Looking slightly sheepish, Malcolm Turnbull didn&#8217;t seem overjoyed to be reminded of the Godwin Grech scenario which had helped to place the skids under him. What a bunch of embittered old men, and a couple of women, are, who inhabit the Coalition front/back benches.</p>
<p>Tony Rabbott might care to pass my regards to his little ankle-biter. As with him, she is all front and no depth. I wish them all an unhappy Christmas, and a dreadful New Year.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/27/pm-vs-press-gallery-anatomy-of-a-tense-encounter/comment-page-3/#comment-230277</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 22:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat Drane - &quot;When queried by WA Authorities about whether the ‘AWU Workplace Association et al’ was a trade union organ, she wrote to attest that it had nothing to do with the AWU Trade Union.&quot; You fellin the same trap as Abbott - she said it wasn&#039;t a trade union, not that it wasn&#039;t linked to a trade union BIG difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat Drane - &#8220;When queried by WA Authorities about whether the ‘AWU Workplace Association et al’ was a trade union organ, she wrote to attest that it had nothing to do with the AWU Trade Union.&#8221; You fellin the same trap as Abbott - she said it wasn&#8217;t a trade union, not that it wasn&#8217;t linked to a trade union BIG difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 04:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Jimmy #109 - exactly - &quot;so what!&quot;.  Had the day off today and saw question time - well, Abbott  was given the Warhol invitation to his 15 minutes of fame to &quot;put up or shut up&quot;. And he couldn&#039;t. The wimp spectacularly failed. He couldn&#039;t even provide bullets, let alone a smoking gun to accuse Gillard of misleading the WA Commission. In fact, he misrepresented the transcript of the Slater and Gordon exit interview - Gillard referred to it and specifically said she did NOT suggest the association was a trade union that required registering.  She&#039;s baying for blood, seeking an apology from Abbott for accusing her of committing a crime on the back of a false article in the SMH today about this issue that the SMH has now backed away from. Abbott won&#039;t give it and has demanded a judicial inquiry. JG was so disgusted, she didn&#039;t even bother answering the question, referring instead to him sitting in a bucket of mud and sleaze (aka known as sh$t).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jimmy #109 - exactly - &#8220;so what!&#8221;.  Had the day off today and saw question time - well, Abbott  was given the Warhol invitation to his 15 minutes of fame to &#8220;put up or shut up&#8221;. And he couldn&#8217;t. The wimp spectacularly failed. He couldn&#8217;t even provide bullets, let alone a smoking gun to accuse Gillard of misleading the WA Commission. In fact, he misrepresented the transcript of the Slater and Gordon exit interview - Gillard referred to it and specifically said she did NOT suggest the association was a trade union that required registering.  She&#8217;s baying for blood, seeking an apology from Abbott for accusing her of committing a crime on the back of a false article in the SMH today about this issue that the SMH has now backed away from. Abbott won&#8217;t give it and has demanded a judicial inquiry. JG was so disgusted, she didn&#8217;t even bother answering the question, referring instead to him sitting in a bucket of mud and sleaze (aka known as sh$t).</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 03:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Pat Drane - and referring back to my comment at #108, Julia, of course is no such thing - she is still a fresh faced, attractive 50+ year old, with a rubenesque bottom to boot. Greer , on the other hand, looks like Bishop, only worse. i</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Pat Drane - and referring back to my comment at #108, Julia, of course is no such thing - she is still a fresh faced, attractive 50+ year old, with a rubenesque bottom to boot. Greer , on the other hand, looks like Bishop, only worse. i</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/27/pm-vs-press-gallery-anatomy-of-a-tense-encounter/comment-page-3/#comment-230113</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 02:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Gillard has summed up this latest piece of evidence perfectly - &quot;So what&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Gillard has summed up this latest piece of evidence perfectly - &#8220;So what&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/27/pm-vs-press-gallery-anatomy-of-a-tense-encounter/comment-page-3/#comment-230111</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 02:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Pat Drane - well, I nearly referred to Bishop as a shrivelled prune but thought better of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Pat Drane - well, I nearly referred to Bishop as a shrivelled prune but thought better of it.</p>
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		<title>By: pat drane</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/27/pm-vs-press-gallery-anatomy-of-a-tense-encounter/comment-page-3/#comment-230106</link>
		<dc:creator>pat drane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 01:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen:  At the moment, all we have are grossly defamatory comments made by Bishop who should have her bony ar5e put in a sling for it.

&#039;Bony Arse&#039; - A little ungracious Karen?

Clearly you prefer Germaine Greer&#039;s &#039;big arsed Julia&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen:  At the moment, all we have are grossly defamatory comments made by Bishop who should have her bony ar5e put in a sling for it.</p>
<p><span class="quo">&#8216;</span>Bony Arse&#8217; - A little ungracious Karen?</p>
<p>Clearly you prefer Germaine Greer&#8217;s &#8216;big arsed Julia&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: pat drane</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/27/pm-vs-press-gallery-anatomy-of-a-tense-encounter/comment-page-3/#comment-230105</link>
		<dc:creator>pat drane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 01:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen @ 103

A good summary of the Gillard position Karen - hinging all on whether Gillard knew in 1993 that the Association was a &#039;slush fund&#039;, when she was setting it up for her bedmate.

She claimed that she only became aware of this in 1995 in the S&amp;G exit interview, after allegations were made against Wilson &amp; Blewitt.

She has repeated this claim in Parliament.

She told S&amp;G partners in 1995 it was a slush fund for union election campaigning but the incorporation application form filled out by her described its purpose as ’development of changes to work to achieve safe workplaces’.

When queried by WA Authorities about whether the &#039;AWU Workplace Association et al&#039; was a trade union organ, she wrote to attest that it had nothing to do with the AWU Trade Union.

Her office yesterday said: Ms Gillard &#039;has no recollection of receiving or sending the claimed correspondence in this matter&#039;.

Clearly, Gillard&#039;s claim in 1995 that she did not know that the Association was Wilson &amp; Blewitt&#039;s slush fund in 1993 when she set it up - is false.

In that case - the likelihood is that she colluded with Wilson and Blewitt in 1993 to set up an entity labelled &#039;AWU Workplace at al....&#039; to get &#039;donations&#039; from big builders but was in fact a slush fund for Wilson &amp; Blewitt&#039;s re-election and subsequent fraudulent activities.

Clearly that is why S&amp;G considered her behaviour a &#039;resignation&#039; offence.

If she lies to Parliament - she is gone - that&#039;s why she is stonewalling and blustering and her bedmates and faceless puppeteers are all rushing to the barricades.

I did say earlier that liars have to have a good memory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen @ 103</p>
<p>A good summary of the Gillard position Karen - hinging all on whether Gillard knew in 1993 that the Association was a &#8216;slush fund&#8217;, when she was setting it up for her bedmate.</p>
<p>She claimed that she only became aware of this in 1995 in the S&amp;G exit interview, after allegations were made against Wilson &amp; Blewitt.</p>
<p>She has repeated this claim in Parliament.</p>
<p>She told S&amp;G partners in 1995 it was a slush fund for union election campaigning but the incorporation application form filled out by her described its purpose as ’development of changes to work to achieve safe workplaces’.</p>
<p>When queried by WA Authorities about whether the &#8216;AWU Workplace Association et al&#8217; was a trade union organ, she wrote to attest that it had nothing to do with the AWU Trade Union.</p>
<p>Her office yesterday said: Ms Gillard &#8216;has no recollection of receiving or sending the claimed correspondence in this matter&#8217;.</p>
<p>Clearly, Gillard&#8217;s claim in 1995 that she did not know that the Association was Wilson &amp; Blewitt&#8217;s slush fund in 1993 when she set it up - is false.</p>
<p>In that case - the likelihood is that she colluded with Wilson and Blewitt in 1993 to set up an entity labelled &#8216;AWU Workplace at al&#8230;.&#8217; to get &#8216;donations&#8217; from big builders but was in fact a slush fund for Wilson &amp; Blewitt&#8217;s re-election and subsequent fraudulent activities.</p>
<p>Clearly that is why S&amp;G considered her behaviour a &#8216;resignation&#8217; offence.</p>
<p>If she lies to Parliament - she is gone - that&#8217;s why she is stonewalling and blustering and her bedmates and faceless puppeteers are all rushing to the barricades.</p>
<p>I did say earlier that liars have to have a good memory.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh (Charlie) McColl</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/27/pm-vs-press-gallery-anatomy-of-a-tense-encounter/comment-page-3/#comment-230101</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh (Charlie) McColl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 00:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GeeWizz asks the questions, Jimmy answers them.  Neither of them know anything - they haven&#039;t seen the documents, they haven&#039;t spoken to the &#039;witnesses&#039;, they&#039;ve just read stuff in the media.  None of the &#039;media&#039; material is factual, it&#039;s all speculation.
GeeWizz thinks that Julia Gillard is in a corner and he&#039;s (he is male?) going to hit her with something that will be a knockout.  But he&#039;s got NOTHING. AT. ALL.  None of the &#039;documents&#039; prove anything other than that Gillard provided ordinary (not extraordinary) legal advice to set up an association.  She did not set up the association&#039;s bank account/s, she did not transact any of the association&#039;s business and there&#039;s no evidence that she knew the potentially nefarious agenda of the officials for whom the association was created.  In fact, the recently revealed correspondence with WA authorities seems to indicate that Gillard took all reasonable steps to make sure that the association that she was applying for would be legally kosher even if its agenda was ambiguous.  The paper trail appears to bolster Gillard&#039;s credentials not undermine them.  Which is hilarious when you think about the disrepute this affair has now brought upon Julie Bishop and the Opposition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GeeWizz asks the questions, Jimmy answers them.  Neither of them know anything - they haven&#8217;t seen the documents, they haven&#8217;t spoken to the &#8216;witnesses&#8217;, they&#8217;ve just read stuff in the media.  None of the &#8216;media&#8217; material is factual, it&#8217;s all speculation.<br />
GeeWizz thinks that Julia Gillard is in a corner and he&#8217;s (he is male?) going to hit her with something that will be a knockout.  But he&#8217;s got NOTHING. AT. ALL.  None of the &#8216;documents&#8217; prove anything other than that Gillard provided ordinary (not extraordinary) legal advice to set up an association.  She did not set up the association&#8217;s bank account/s, she did not transact any of the association&#8217;s business and there&#8217;s no evidence that she knew the potentially nefarious agenda of the officials for whom the association was created.  In fact, the recently revealed correspondence with WA authorities seems to indicate that Gillard took all reasonable steps to make sure that the association that she was applying for would be legally kosher even if its agenda was ambiguous.  The paper trail appears to bolster Gillard&#8217;s credentials not undermine them.  Which is hilarious when you think about the disrepute this affair has now brought upon Julie Bishop and the Opposition.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/27/pm-vs-press-gallery-anatomy-of-a-tense-encounter/comment-page-3/#comment-230097</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 23:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geewizz - &quot;Why did Gillard have to change the answers on the application form to get it approved&quot; That&#039;s what Lawyers do - they know the correct formatting and wording of applications, their clients usually don&#039;t.

&quot;And why did she send a letter to the WA Corporations Body and l1e about it not being related to union matters?&quot; Did she l i e? Was the fund strictly &quot;union related&quot; - to me the whole point of the association was to be removed from the normal union operations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geewizz - &#8220;Why did Gillard have to change the answers on the application form to get it approved&#8221; That&#8217;s what Lawyers do - they know the correct formatting and wording of applications, their clients usually don&#8217;t.</p>
<p><span class="dquo">&#8220;</span>And why did she send a letter to the WA Corporations Body and l1e about it not being related to union matters?&#8221; Did she l i e? Was the fund strictly &#8220;union related&#8221; - to me the whole point of the association was to be removed from the normal union operations.</p>
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		<title>By: GeeWizz</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeeWizz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 23:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jimmy,
Why did Gillard have to change the answers on the application form to get it approved for her lover?

And why did she send a letter to the WA Corporations Body and l1e about it not being related to union matters?

Didnt she say this was a union slush fund? Sounds pretty union related to me. Of course we later find out it was a bit like the HSU, everyones got their hands in the cookie jar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jimmy,<br />
Why did Gillard have to change the answers on the application form to get it approved for her lover?</p>
<p>And why did she send a letter to the WA Corporations Body and l1e about it not being related to union matters?</p>
<p>Didnt she say this was a union slush fund? Sounds pretty union related to me. Of course we later find out it was a bit like the HSU, everyones got their hands in the cookie jar.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/27/pm-vs-press-gallery-anatomy-of-a-tense-encounter/comment-page-3/#comment-230090</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 22:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Pat Drane - that your hypothesis may have more substance, if there is further evidence. However, given the saga has been raked over for the last 20 years for political purposes, and nothing has come of it, it is unlikely that it will. At the moment, all we have are grossly defamatory comments made by Bishop who should have her bony ar5e put in a sling for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Pat Drane - that your hypothesis may have more substance, if there is further evidence. However, given the saga has been raked over for the last 20 years for political purposes, and nothing has come of it, it is unlikely that it will. At the moment, all we have are grossly defamatory comments made by Bishop who should have her bony ar5e put in a sling for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 22:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Pat Drane - the bald facts are entirely consistent with her Gillards claim that she didn&#039;t do anything wrong. The bald facts are that in or about 1993 Gillard advised and facilitated (by completing a form(s)) an incorporated association on instruction from two AWU officials who became the office bearers of that association. One of the officials was Wison, a boyfriend. The work was done pro bono because Wilson was a boyfriend (much to the subsequent chagrin of Slater and Gordon). A letter apparently sent under the hand of Gillard was delivered to the WA Commission advising of this fact. Money went into the fund from various sources and was allegedly misused by Blewitt and, possibly, Wilson, although this has never been proven. It is then alleged $5,000 was deposited into Gillard&#039;s account, which again can&#039;t be verified by bank records, notwithstanding Gillard&#039;s recent efforts to do so with the Cth Bank. Allegations of rorting wrt the association monies became apparent in 1995, at which time Gillard says she dumps Wilson for his apparent betrayal of her (an entirely plausible explanation, assuming she didn&#039;t know of any malfeasance beforehand). None of the major protagonists in this saga implicate Gillard of knowledge or any other wrongdoing. This includes Wilson, Blewitt, Slater and Gordon, Nick Styant Browne who have no particular personal motivation to protect Gillard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Pat Drane - the bald facts are entirely consistent with her Gillards claim that she didn&#8217;t do anything wrong. The bald facts are that in or about 1993 Gillard advised and facilitated (by completing a form(s)) an incorporated association on instruction from two AWU officials who became the office bearers of that association. One of the officials was Wison, a boyfriend. The work was done pro bono because Wilson was a boyfriend (much to the subsequent chagrin of Slater and Gordon). A letter apparently sent under the hand of Gillard was delivered to the WA Commission advising of this fact. Money went into the fund from various sources and was allegedly misused by Blewitt and, possibly, Wilson, although this has never been proven. It is then alleged $5,000 was deposited into Gillard&#8217;s account, which again can&#8217;t be verified by bank records, notwithstanding Gillard&#8217;s recent efforts to do so with the Cth Bank. Allegations of rorting wrt the association monies became apparent in 1995, at which time Gillard says she dumps Wilson for his apparent betrayal of her (an entirely plausible explanation, assuming she didn&#8217;t know of any malfeasance beforehand). None of the major protagonists in this saga implicate Gillard of knowledge or any other wrongdoing. This includes Wilson, Blewitt, Slater and Gordon, Nick Styant Browne who have no particular personal motivation to protect Gillard.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 21:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geewizz - The association Gillard set up wasn&#039;t illegal - what it was subsequently used for was.

This apparent proof today is firstly nothing new and secondly doesn&#039;t show she did anything wrong - even Abbott won&#039;t outline what apparently it was she did that was illegal, just used the vague words of smear - &quot;it may of been&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geewizz - The association Gillard set up wasn&#8217;t illegal - what it was subsequently used for was.</p>
<p>This apparent proof today is firstly nothing new and secondly doesn&#8217;t show she did anything wrong - even Abbott won&#8217;t outline what apparently it was she did that was illegal, just used the vague words of smear - &#8220;it may of been&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: GeeWizz</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeeWizz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 21:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like Gillard was a &quot;Fixer&quot;

Having problems getting your illegal slush fund setup with the answers written on the establishment form? Why... Gillard can FIX that for you, and according to Bruce Wilson amend the answers so they don&#039;t raise suspicions from the powers that be.

All of the books of course so her employers don&#039;t raise any suspicions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like Gillard was a &#8220;Fixer&#8221;</p>
<p>Having problems getting your illegal slush fund setup with the answers written on the establishment form? Why&#8230; Gillard can FIX that for you, and according to Bruce Wilson amend the answers so they don&#8217;t raise suspicions from the powers that be.</p>
<p>All of the books of course so her employers don&#8217;t raise any suspicions.</p>
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		<title>By: Hamis Hill</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/27/pm-vs-press-gallery-anatomy-of-a-tense-encounter/comment-page-2/#comment-230055</link>
		<dc:creator>Hamis Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 08:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer is that those with a propesity to crawl like maggots through muck have developed an imunity to disease.
They will not be metamorphosising into beautiful butterflies.
They make juicy snacks for crows but why dish this up for Crikey readers?
Don&#039;t they prefer discussions about policies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer is that those with a propesity to crawl like maggots through muck have developed an imunity to disease.<br />
They will not be metamorphosising into beautiful butterflies.<br />
They make juicy snacks for crows but why dish this up for Crikey readers?<br />
Don&#8217;t they prefer discussions about policies?</p>
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		<title>By: pat drane</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/27/pm-vs-press-gallery-anatomy-of-a-tense-encounter/comment-page-2/#comment-230051</link>
		<dc:creator>pat drane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 07:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen to answer this:

&quot;1)If Gillard either had knowledge or was in on the scam, why did she wait to dump Wilson until 1995 as a boyfriend? The timing of the determining the relationship coincided with the surfacing of the allegations.

Gillard not opening a file to advise on the setting up of the incorporated association for the AWU may have been on account of the fact that she was doing pro bono work. As a partner of the firm, Gillard may have felt (rightly or wrongly) that she had a discretion not to open up a file. In hindsight, not a wise move.&quot;

She was not a 21 year old in her first year, she was in her early 30&#039;s and a star Partner in a Labor Lawyer firm.  

The AWU was a big customer so if all was above board, and if she believed that Wilson&#039;s Association was a bona fide AWU organ, why did she not open a file??  Surely it would have been a billable job for Slater &amp; Gordon?

If not, doing it pro-bono with no file simply confirms that she knew the Association was a slush fund right from the start.  Her poor judgement and ethics at best, collusion with Wilson at worst.  Again Slater &amp; Gordon Partners thought it a job resignation offence.

Dumping Wilson when the allegations surfaced simply shows the self-preservation instincts of the woman.  Plausible deniability; &quot;I didn&#039;t know he was bent&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen to answer this:</p>
<p><span class="dquo">&#8220;</span>1)If Gillard either had knowledge or was in on the scam, why did she wait to dump Wilson until 1995 as a boyfriend? The timing of the determining the relationship coincided with the surfacing of the allegations.</p>
<p>Gillard not opening a file to advise on the setting up of the incorporated association for the AWU may have been on account of the fact that she was doing pro bono work. As a partner of the firm, Gillard may have felt (rightly or wrongly) that she had a discretion not to open up a file. In hindsight, not a wise move.&#8221;</p>
<p>She was not a 21 year old in her first year, she was in her early 30&#8217;s and a star Partner in a Labor Lawyer firm.  </p>
<p>The AWU was a big customer so if all was above board, and if she believed that Wilson&#8217;s Association was a bona fide AWU organ, why did she not open a file??  Surely it would have been a billable job for Slater &amp; Gordon?</p>
<p>If not, doing it pro-bono with no file simply confirms that she knew the Association was a slush fund right from the start.  Her poor judgement and ethics at best, collusion with Wilson at worst.  Again Slater &amp; Gordon Partners thought it a job resignation offence.</p>
<p>Dumping Wilson when the allegations surfaced simply shows the self-preservation instincts of the woman.  Plausible deniability; &#8220;I didn&#8217;t know he was bent&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: geomac62</title>
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		<dc:creator>geomac62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 05:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peta Credlin = pedal cretin , Apt considering abbotts liking for bike exercise , not much brain power required .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peta Credlin = pedal cretin , Apt considering abbotts liking for bike exercise , not much brain power required .</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/27/pm-vs-press-gallery-anatomy-of-a-tense-encounter/comment-page-2/#comment-229995</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 04:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Pat Drane - excuse typos and edits etc - its hard to proof read from the reply window</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Pat Drane - excuse typos and edits etc - its hard to proof read from the reply window</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/27/pm-vs-press-gallery-anatomy-of-a-tense-encounter/comment-page-2/#comment-229993</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 04:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Pat Drane #94

(1)If Gillard either had knowledge or was in on the scam, why did she wait to dump Wilson until 1995 as a boyfriend? The timing of the determining the relationship coincided with the surfacing of the allegations.

Gillard not opening a file to advise on the setting up of the incorporated association for the AWU may have been on account of the fact that she was doing pro bono work. As a partner of the firm, Gillard may have felt (rightly or wrongly) that she had a discretion not to open up a file. In hindsight, not a wise move.

(2) Agree that Wilson is not a reliable witness, however, why would he bother to come out and defend Gillard, especially given she dumped him and has had nothing to do with him since the proverbial hit the fan.

Hem now reckons he put $5,000 in JG&#039;s account on instruction from Blewitt. How convenient of him to say this AFTER JG said she had gone to the Commonwealth Bank to verify this deposit, only to be told that the Commonwealth didn&#039;t keep records going back that far. Hem can say anything he likes knowing it can&#039;t be disproved, at least by bank records.

(3) Agree that Blewitt is even less reliable and, is arguably, the guy who is alleged to have benefited the most, if not entirely, from the scam. If I am incorrect about this, why did he flee to Malaysia. In any event, the Libs are pinning much of their hopes on Blewitt to implicate Gillard. Blewitt, for his part, now gets a free trip into Australia seeing Gillard as a potential meal-ticket for him to move back with the promise of immunity. Yet, notwithstanding, all of these treats and promises, not even Blewitt will go so far as to say, yeah, Gillard is in on it. And as for Blewitt having documents, I very doubt it, given his background.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Pat Drane #94</p>
<p>(1)If Gillard either had knowledge or was in on the scam, why did she wait to dump Wilson until 1995 as a boyfriend? The timing of the determining the relationship coincided with the surfacing of the allegations.</p>
<p>Gillard not opening a file to advise on the setting up of the incorporated association for the AWU may have been on account of the fact that she was doing pro bono work. As a partner of the firm, Gillard may have felt (rightly or wrongly) that she had a discretion not to open up a file. In hindsight, not a wise move.</p>
<p>(2) Agree that Wilson is not a reliable witness, however, why would he bother to come out and defend Gillard, especially given she dumped him and has had nothing to do with him since the proverbial hit the fan.</p>
<p>Hem now reckons he put $5,000 in JG&#8217;s account on instruction from Blewitt. How convenient of him to say this AFTER JG said she had gone to the Commonwealth Bank to verify this deposit, only to be told that the Commonwealth didn&#8217;t keep records going back that far. Hem can say anything he likes knowing it can&#8217;t be disproved, at least by bank records.</p>
<p>(3) Agree that Blewitt is even less reliable and, is arguably, the guy who is alleged to have benefited the most, if not entirely, from the scam. If I am incorrect about this, why did he flee to Malaysia. In any event, the Libs are pinning much of their hopes on Blewitt to implicate Gillard. Blewitt, for his part, now gets a free trip into Australia seeing Gillard as a potential meal-ticket for him to move back with the promise of immunity. Yet, notwithstanding, all of these treats and promises, not even Blewitt will go so far as to say, yeah, Gillard is in on it. And as for Blewitt having documents, I very doubt it, given his background.</p>
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		<title>By: pat drane</title>
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		<dc:creator>pat drane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 03:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen - let us answer your 3 points then....

 Pat Drane and Gee Wizz (Troofie) - your theses is undermined by (1) Gillard dumping Wilson in 1995 when she found about the fund, having realised she had been used (there has been no contradictor in this), (2) Wilson defending her when he didn’t have to and (3) Blewitt not having actually alleged Gillard knew anything. 

1)  Clearly Slater &amp; Gordon did not think that Gillard was an innocent victim of Wilson.  Wilson&#039;s in the ABC 7.30 interview last night said that he had trouble with the paperwork trying to set up the &#039;Association&#039; and Gillard filled in the forms and made it all work.  Not a simple routine bit of work flicked to the paralegal in the office.  A lawyer would know that an incorporated association needs to be advertised and there is a duty of care to ensure it has a proper purpose.

No Slater &amp; Gordon file was created which is unknown in a legal firm unless Gillard was hiding what she was doing for her bedmate.  

Gillard looks unlike the innocent bimbo being used by a cunning Wilson.

Slater &amp; Gordon Partners - experienced lawyers found her explanations clearly unsatisfactory.

2)  Wilson can&#039;t be very bright because he had not thought through his story on 7.30 report.  The Report was cut off when more in depth questions about what happened to the house and money came from mild mannered reporter.  Wilson was still trying to maintain that the &#039;slush fund&#039; was bona fide...when in fact the AWU (when it found out about it) had to sell the house and repay money to the &#039;donor employers&#039;.

Wilson was trying to make out that HE did nothing wrong either, so his testimony about Gillard could not be remotely seen as reliable.  He could not remember if Gillard got $5000 or not.

3) Blewitt is in the same boat as Wilson - both unreliable witnesses without more documentation.  Blewitt is seeking immunity from prosecution so might have some verifiable documents to implicate Wilson and Gillard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen - let us answer your 3 points then&#8230;.</p>
<p> Pat Drane and Gee Wizz (Troofie) - your theses is undermined by (1) Gillard dumping Wilson in 1995 when she found about the fund, having realised she had been used (there has been no contradictor in this), (2) Wilson defending her when he didn’t have to and (3) Blewitt not having actually alleged Gillard knew anything. </p>
<p>1)  Clearly Slater &amp; Gordon did not think that Gillard was an innocent victim of Wilson.  Wilson&#8217;s in the ABC 7.30 interview last night said that he had trouble with the paperwork trying to set up the &#8216;Association&#8217; and Gillard filled in the forms and made it all work.  Not a simple routine bit of work flicked to the paralegal in the office.  A lawyer would know that an incorporated association needs to be advertised and there is a duty of care to ensure it has a proper purpose.</p>
<p>No Slater &amp; Gordon file was created which is unknown in a legal firm unless Gillard was hiding what she was doing for her bedmate.  </p>
<p>Gillard looks unlike the innocent bimbo being used by a cunning Wilson.</p>
<p>Slater &amp; Gordon Partners - experienced lawyers found her explanations clearly unsatisfactory.</p>
<p>2)  Wilson can&#8217;t be very bright because he had not thought through his story on 7.30 report.  The Report was cut off when more in depth questions about what happened to the house and money came from mild mannered reporter.  Wilson was still trying to maintain that the &#8216;slush fund&#8217; was bona fide&#8230;when in fact the AWU (when it found out about it) had to sell the house and repay money to the &#8216;donor employers&#8217;.</p>
<p>Wilson was trying to make out that HE did nothing wrong either, so his testimony about Gillard could not be remotely seen as reliable.  He could not remember if Gillard got $5000 or not.</p>
<p>3) Blewitt is in the same boat as Wilson - both unreliable witnesses without more documentation.  Blewitt is seeking immunity from prosecution so might have some verifiable documents to implicate Wilson and Gillard.</p>
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		<title>By: Hamis Hill</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/27/pm-vs-press-gallery-anatomy-of-a-tense-encounter/comment-page-2/#comment-229963</link>
		<dc:creator>Hamis Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 02:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twenty years ago was about the time that the Banks called in their loans to the Murdoch empire.
The mad scramble to refinance depended, finally, on a last minute loan from a minor bank&#039;s CEO, who  was tracked down to sign-off on the last Sunday afternoon while riding on the back of an elephant on safari in India.
So did Murdoch totally escape the control of his lenders?
A free and independent press beholden to nobody?
How about a Royal Commission into all the &quot;Clientele&quot;  of any shadowy financiers?
Gee whizz, patriot, Abbot and company; all employees?
What do they want? The usual low wages and high interest rates? The recipe for the Liberal state governments&#039; deliberate &quot;slash and burn&quot; (deny the Feds a Surplus??) Australian East Coast Recession?
The latter being the Liberal&#039;s Xmass present to the voters of QLD, NSW and Victoria. Seasons greetings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twenty years ago was about the time that the Banks called in their loans to the Murdoch empire.<br />
The mad scramble to refinance depended, finally, on a last minute loan from a minor bank&#8217;s CEO, who  was tracked down to sign-off on the last Sunday afternoon while riding on the back of an elephant on safari in India.<br />
So did Murdoch totally escape the control of his lenders?<br />
A free and independent press beholden to nobody?<br />
How about a Royal Commission into all the &#8220;Clientele&#8221;  of any shadowy financiers?<br />
Gee whizz, patriot, Abbot and company; all employees?<br />
What do they want? The usual low wages and high interest rates? The recipe for the Liberal state governments&#8217; deliberate &#8220;slash and burn&#8221; (deny the Feds a Surplus??) Australian East Coast Recession?<br />
The latter being the Liberal&#8217;s Xmass present to the voters of QLD, NSW and Victoria. Seasons greetings.</p>
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		<title>By: CML</title>
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		<dc:creator>CML</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 02:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Karen #83  -  While it is a bit off topic, thought you should know that the ABC (radio) are reporting this morning that both Bob Hawke and Gareth Evans (and others), have  advised the PM to go with an &quot;abstain&quot; on the question of Palestine at the UN.  Actually heard Evans being interviewed, and he said it would  be a catastrophy for Australian foreign policy in our region to vote NO on this issue.
My own view is that we have to start somewhere with this Israel/Palestine question.  There has been virtually NO movement on setting up a Palestinian State for over 50 years.  I don&#039;t think Israel is blameless in this scenario.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Karen #83  -  While it is a bit off topic, thought you should know that the ABC (radio) are reporting this morning that both Bob Hawke and Gareth Evans (and others), have  advised the PM to go with an &#8220;abstain&#8221; on the question of Palestine at the UN.  Actually heard Evans being interviewed, and he said it would  be a catastrophy for Australian foreign policy in our region to vote NO on this issue.<br />
My own view is that we have to start somewhere with this Israel/Palestine question.  There has been virtually NO movement on setting up a Palestinian State for over 50 years.  I don&#8217;t think Israel is blameless in this scenario.</p>
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