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	<title>Comments on: The mechanics of how a smear campaign was legitimised</title>
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		<title>By: Venise Alstergren</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/26/the-mechanics-of-how-a-smear-campaign-was-legitimised/comment-page-3/#comment-230296</link>
		<dc:creator>Venise Alstergren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 01:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TO THOSE MEMBERS OF THE COMMENTARIAT WHO DESPISE OUR PRIME MINISTER: Breathless with anticipation, I switched on Question Time yesterday. Thinking to myself, “This is the day the Opposition will produce the evidence that PM Julia Gillard was a crim. This was what had had the Opposition in kinipsions (sic) for the past few months. This is what the dishonourable leader of the Opposition had been waiting for. This is the moment they&#039;d all been salivating and waiting for. This is when the taxpayer gets to see the justification of flinging our money around in a pointless vendetta.

Did Tony Rabbott produce any evidence of malfeasance? None that I’m aware of. Instead he pronounced the PM to show ‘conduct unbecoming.’ Coming from him this was a rich brew of poison. 

Looking slightly sheepish, Malcolm Turnbull didn’t seem overjoyed at being reminded of the Godwin Grech scenario which had helped to place the skids under him as Liberal Party leader. What a bunch of embittered old men {and a couple of women}, are, who inhabit the Coalition front/back benches, on that side of the House.

    Tony Rabbott might care to pass my regards to his little ankle-biter. As with him, Julie Bishop is all front and no depth. I wish them all an unhappy Christmas, and a dreadful New Year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO THOSE MEMBERS OF THE COMMENTARIAT WHO DESPISE OUR PRIME MINISTER: Breathless with anticipation, I switched on Question Time yesterday. Thinking to myself, “This is the day the Opposition will produce the evidence that PM Julia Gillard was a crim. This was what had had the Opposition in kinipsions (sic) for the past few months. This is what the dishonourable leader of the Opposition had been waiting for. This is the moment they&#8217;d all been salivating and waiting for. This is when the taxpayer gets to see the justification of flinging our money around in a pointless vendetta.</p>
<p>Did Tony Rabbott produce any evidence of malfeasance? None that I’m aware of. Instead he pronounced the PM to show ‘conduct unbecoming.’ Coming from him this was a rich brew of poison. </p>
<p>Looking slightly sheepish, Malcolm Turnbull didn’t seem overjoyed at being reminded of the Godwin Grech scenario which had helped to place the skids under him as Liberal Party leader. What a bunch of embittered old men {and a couple of women}, are, who inhabit the Coalition front/back benches, on that side of the House.</p>
<p>    Tony Rabbott might care to pass my regards to his little ankle-biter. As with him, Julie Bishop is all front and no depth. I wish them all an unhappy Christmas, and a dreadful New Year.</p>
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		<title>By: The Cleaning Lady</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/26/the-mechanics-of-how-a-smear-campaign-was-legitimised/comment-page-2/#comment-230261</link>
		<dc:creator>The Cleaning Lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s so good to read that someone is thinking about the issues and sees past the surface. I&#039;m a corporate lawyer and have been for over 20 years. I am yet to see any evidence of illegal or unethical conduct on the part of Ms Gillard. The conflict of interest scenario may not have been apparent until later. 

Some of the assertions by the coalition and Hedley Thomas were based on the (now shown to be false) assumption that the association was set up on the instructions of the union, rather than on behalf of some individuals.

It&#039;s almost comical as each new piece of &quot;damning&quot; evidence is revealed. The emperor&#039;s new clothes...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s so good to read that someone is thinking about the issues and sees past the surface. I&#8217;m a corporate lawyer and have been for over 20 years. I am yet to see any evidence of illegal or unethical conduct on the part of Ms Gillard. The conflict of interest scenario may not have been apparent until later. </p>
<p>Some of the assertions by the coalition and Hedley Thomas were based on the (now shown to be false) assumption that the association was set up on the instructions of the union, rather than on behalf of some individuals.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s almost comical as each new piece of &#8220;damning&#8221; evidence is revealed. The emperor&#8217;s new clothes&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/26/the-mechanics-of-how-a-smear-campaign-was-legitimised/comment-page-2/#comment-230219</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 06:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heaven forbid, some one is shining the light on Gillard&#039;s murky past. Now we can&#039;t have that can we? We should all look the other way because, after all, Gillard has told us &quot;I have done no wrong.&quot; So it must be true. Instead let&#039;s join with Keane and ask no questions, accept Gillard at her word and ignore her past. I think there is a saying about good people staying silent.....gee, how&#039;s it go...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heaven forbid, some one is shining the light on Gillard&#8217;s murky past. Now we can&#8217;t have that can we? We should all look the other way because, after all, Gillard has told us &#8220;I have done no wrong.&#8221; So it must be true. Instead let&#8217;s join with Keane and ask no questions, accept Gillard at her word and ignore her past. I think there is a saying about good people staying silent&#8230;..gee, how&#8217;s it go&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: Warren Joffe</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/26/the-mechanics-of-how-a-smear-campaign-was-legitimised/comment-page-2/#comment-230080</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren Joffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 15:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew of Canberra:  you seem to think Gillard, a future PM of proven strength and determinaton, couldn&#039;t have made a difference.  Why?  And does the explanation excuse her from having gone along with something which stank (and you do seem to imply that there was a very murky stinking cess pond in which the relevant events were occurring....)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew of Canberra:  you seem to think Gillard, a future PM of proven strength and determinaton, couldn&#8217;t have made a difference.  Why?  And does the explanation excuse her from having gone along with something which stank (and you do seem to imply that there was a very murky stinking cess pond in which the relevant events were occurring&#8230;.)?</p>
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		<title>By: Warren Joffe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren Joffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 15:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Warren Joffe</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/26/the-mechanics-of-how-a-smear-campaign-was-legitimised/comment-page-2/#comment-230075</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren Joffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 13:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apart from the silly gibes which constitute 90 per cent of comments there are curious evidences of brains switched off by those who seem to be trying.  E.g. both Ian Hunt and Hugh McColl refer to &quot;legal advice&quot; from Gillard (and suggest that it was the only way she was involved).

I wonder what they think the &quot;legal advice&quot; was, and if they have considered what it ought to be.  I can well remember a new member of parliament showing me the advice he had just given as a barrister to a well known charity which said 1.  yes the scheme may well work legally but 2. it might be a very bad idea for your relations with government/ATO if you go ahead with your part of it and that is without considering the ethical issues you might wish to consider.

In fact it doesn&#039;t appear that Gillard gave any significant legal advice.  (What was the question on which she was asked to advise if you doubt that?).  She simply helped use her firm&#039;s services for putting filling in and lodging forms, paying fees etc. However, she must have known that she was helping her lover to set up a body which misappropriated the name of her firm&#039;s major client the AWU so what did she say about that?  She must have known that since it was a &quot;slush fund&quot; for helping her lover keep control of the levers of power and money in the AWU neither the name nor the objects registered were honest. So why didn&#039;t she give either &quot;legal&quot; or just plain moral advice against that?  Not to mention refraining from her part in deceiving the WA licensing or registration body.

The more you think about it she was behaving like a sleazy crook or gangster&#039;s moll and yet we have her as PM without her even claiming that she once was a sinner but now is saved!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apart from the silly gibes which constitute 90 per cent of comments there are curious evidences of brains switched off by those who seem to be trying.  E.g. both Ian Hunt and Hugh McColl refer to &#8220;legal advice&#8221; from Gillard (and suggest that it was the only way she was involved).</p>
<p>I wonder what they think the &#8220;legal advice&#8221; was, and if they have considered what it ought to be.  I can well remember a new member of parliament showing me the advice he had just given as a barrister to a well known charity which said 1.  yes the scheme may well work legally but 2. it might be a very bad idea for your relations with government/ATO if you go ahead with your part of it and that is without considering the ethical issues you might wish to consider.</p>
<p>In fact it doesn&#8217;t appear that Gillard gave any significant legal advice.  (What was the question on which she was asked to advise if you doubt that?).  She simply helped use her firm&#8217;s services for putting filling in and lodging forms, paying fees etc. However, she must have known that she was helping her lover to set up a body which misappropriated the name of her firm&#8217;s major client the AWU so what did she say about that?  She must have known that since it was a &#8220;slush fund&#8221; for helping her lover keep control of the levers of power and money in the AWU neither the name nor the objects registered were honest. So why didn&#8217;t she give either &#8220;legal&#8221; or just plain moral advice against that?  Not to mention refraining from her part in deceiving the WA licensing or registration body.</p>
<p>The more you think about it she was behaving like a sleazy crook or gangster&#8217;s moll and yet we have her as PM without her even claiming that she once was a sinner but now is saved!</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew of Canberra</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/26/the-mechanics-of-how-a-smear-campaign-was-legitimised/comment-page-2/#comment-230037</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew of Canberra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 06:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The “nothing to see here, move along” campaigning from Julia’s front bench and Crikey has the look and feel of the phone hacking scandal before Millie Dowler.&quot;

Do you really think those are equivalent?  Honestly?

First - the phone hacking actually happened.  The people at the top were in fact found to have had a direct hand in it.  There&#039;s evidence.  I&#039;m still waiting to hear what it is that the PM is supposed to have actually done wrong.  

She was misled - absolutely.  But she wasn&#039;t alone.  And in order to make this look like malfeasance, it&#039;s necessary to ignore a lot of other things going one (does anyone REALLY believe that only three people knew about that association?  Really?), and it&#039;s necessary to imply that gillard did or knew far more than there is any evidence (or justification) to believe.  She didn&#039;t create any association - the bagmen did.  Their signatures are on that form, and they were responsible for its filing.  Anyone can fill in a form - they don&#039;t actually need a lawyer to do that.  And, it should be pointed out, that wasn&#039;t the only &quot;slush fund&quot; those guys were using anyway.

The rest of it - what S&amp;G and gillard knew, or when, or what they should have done, or what the impact of that was, or whether or not gillard&#039;s involvement made any difference to the outcome ... is just wishful thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="dquo">&#8220;</span>The “nothing to see here, move along” campaigning from Julia’s front bench and Crikey has the look and feel of the phone hacking scandal before Millie Dowler.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you really think those are equivalent?  Honestly?</p>
<p>First - the phone hacking actually happened.  The people at the top were in fact found to have had a direct hand in it.  There&#8217;s evidence.  I&#8217;m still waiting to hear what it is that the PM is supposed to have actually done wrong.  </p>
<p>She was misled - absolutely.  But she wasn&#8217;t alone.  And in order to make this look like malfeasance, it&#8217;s necessary to ignore a lot of other things going one (does anyone REALLY believe that only three people knew about that association?  Really?), and it&#8217;s necessary to imply that gillard did or knew far more than there is any evidence (or justification) to believe.  She didn&#8217;t create any association - the bagmen did.  Their signatures are on that form, and they were responsible for its filing.  Anyone can fill in a form - they don&#8217;t actually need a lawyer to do that.  And, it should be pointed out, that wasn&#8217;t the only &#8220;slush fund&#8221; those guys were using anyway.</p>
<p>The rest of it - what S&amp;G and gillard knew, or when, or what they should have done, or what the impact of that was, or whether or not gillard&#8217;s involvement made any difference to the outcome &#8230; is just wishful thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew of Canberra</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/26/the-mechanics-of-how-a-smear-campaign-was-legitimised/comment-page-2/#comment-230034</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew of Canberra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 05:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speculation time ... 

How does this end?  The PM&#039;s not stepping down, not a chance.  Not unless something properly criminal is found, and I don&#039;t think anyone&#039;s really expecting that (nor ever were, I suspect)

So what happens next?  Does it keep going until the election?  Is everyone just hoping like hell that something REALLY interesting comes along to take the front pages?  Maybe New Zealand invades us?  Or will everyone in the press just take a deep breath, get a good night&#039;s sleep on a friday and come in to their offices on monday and start talking about something that&#039;s likely to actually go somewhere, never mentioning the &quot;AWU Scandal&quot; ever again?

Or does the PM start suing people for their &quot;verbal slips&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speculation time &#8230; </p>
<p>How does this end?  The PM&#8217;s not stepping down, not a chance.  Not unless something properly criminal is found, and I don&#8217;t think anyone&#8217;s really expecting that (nor ever were, I suspect)</p>
<p>So what happens next?  Does it keep going until the election?  Is everyone just hoping like hell that something REALLY interesting comes along to take the front pages?  Maybe New Zealand invades us?  Or will everyone in the press just take a deep breath, get a good night&#8217;s sleep on a friday and come in to their offices on monday and start talking about something that&#8217;s likely to actually go somewhere, never mentioning the &#8220;AWU Scandal&#8221; ever again?</p>
<p>Or does the PM start suing people for their &#8220;verbal slips&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: The Pav</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Pav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 03:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am waiting for somebody to draw the compoarison between the Abbott&#039;s MO for the persecution of Hansen and the current PM.


Remember in the Hansen case there was a genuine slush fund and it was based in WA. Was Bishop involved in that.

Curious that both his targets are red haired women. 

Could we say that the alliance of Bishop &amp; Abbott is an &quot;Unholy Alliance&quot; despite theirt names?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am waiting for somebody to draw the compoarison between the Abbott&#8217;s MO for the persecution of Hansen and the current PM.</p>
<p>Remember in the Hansen case there was a genuine slush fund and it was based in WA. Was Bishop involved in that.</p>
<p>Curious that both his targets are red haired women. </p>
<p>Could we say that the alliance of Bishop &amp; Abbott is an &#8220;Unholy Alliance&#8221; despite theirt names?</p>
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		<title>By: Recalcitrant.Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Recalcitrant.Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 03:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Christopher &quot;Whine&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Christopher &#8220;Whine&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh (Charlie) McColl</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/26/the-mechanics-of-how-a-smear-campaign-was-legitimised/comment-page-2/#comment-229945</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh (Charlie) McColl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2012 00:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Hand, you don&#039;t give up do you?  I showed how you just make stuff up, you agree that you make stuff up, you demonstrate how even the made up stuff would not have any material impact on the story and yet you still think there is a story. You want the community to believe that a poor choice of boyfriend equals incompetence.  You want people to believe that doing a favour of some free legal advice for a mate (or boyfriend) is the same thing as perpetrating a fraud.  You it doesn&#039;t quite compute.  It early does but not quite.  So you want to hang around the tent pissing in to see if some more smoke comes out.  You can&#039;t get into the tent because you simply have nothing whatsoever to contribute.  You actually know nothing about the subject at all.  You continue to make stuff up so that you can pretend there&#039;s something happening when there&#039;s nothing.
Meanwhile, new legislation goes unexamined because you think the media, all the media, should keep concentrating on the stinking tent where you and many, many others are still emptying your bladders.  You don&#039;t care about the Murray-Darling legislation because you got a tent to pissinto.  The NDIS could be good for something but you want the media to keep filming over here where there&#039;s a wet tent.  Get a grip man.  Put it away.  Button up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Hand, you don&#8217;t give up do you?  I showed how you just make stuff up, you agree that you make stuff up, you demonstrate how even the made up stuff would not have any material impact on the story and yet you still think there is a story. You want the community to believe that a poor choice of boyfriend equals incompetence.  You want people to believe that doing a favour of some free legal advice for a mate (or boyfriend) is the same thing as perpetrating a fraud.  You it doesn&#8217;t quite compute.  It early does but not quite.  So you want to hang around the tent pissing in to see if some more smoke comes out.  You can&#8217;t get into the tent because you simply have nothing whatsoever to contribute.  You actually know nothing about the subject at all.  You continue to make stuff up so that you can pretend there&#8217;s something happening when there&#8217;s nothing.<br />
Meanwhile, new legislation goes unexamined because you think the media, all the media, should keep concentrating on the stinking tent where you and many, many others are still emptying your bladders.  You don&#8217;t care about the Murray-Darling legislation because you got a tent to pissinto.  The NDIS could be good for something but you want the media to keep filming over here where there&#8217;s a wet tent.  Get a grip man.  Put it away.  Button up.</p>
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		<title>By: klewso</title>
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		<dc:creator>klewso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 06:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here in the gall bladder of the body politick, bilirubin is bilirubin – it doesn’t matter from which side of the liver it’s secreted. When you think of it we’re all pretty much the same, we just see things differently – by choice too often - some of us can see fault on both sides of that great portal vein of politics – some can’t.
Where I come from you don’t bring a knife to a gun fight – unless you want a lift in an ambulance.
During “the pink batt debacle” I remember Abbott using parliament as his stage, for his histrionics, to accuse Garrett of being guilty of industrial manslaughter (“... you show no remorse, no concern, no urgency about anything except saving your own hide ... ”). I’m not the one (leading a parliamentary party) with image problems (and ventriloquist dolls, when you get down to it, are of indeterminate sex, being pieces of inanimate material for whom others must make up their lines - you might say they’re plagiarists too, like Bishop) – using Bishop to prosecute “such an important issue”, because “she’s a woman”. 
With his image problems/poll figures he has to back off, he could have tuned Pyne up and set him on the government as he usually does, in some hypocritical tizz - but Gillard is a woman and he doesn’t want to be labelled misogynist any more - he’s done that to within an inch of the death of his public image. So it’s down to that “Paragon of Plagiarism” to come to the aid of the party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in the gall bladder of the body politick, bilirubin is bilirubin – it doesn’t matter from which side of the liver it’s secreted. When you think of it we’re all pretty much the same, we just see things differently – by choice too often - some of us can see fault on both sides of that great portal vein of politics – some can’t.<br />
Where I come from you don’t bring a knife to a gun fight – unless you want a lift in an ambulance.<br />
During “the pink batt debacle” I remember Abbott using parliament as his stage, for his histrionics, to accuse Garrett of being guilty of industrial manslaughter (“&#8230; you show no remorse, no concern, no urgency about anything except saving your own hide &#8230; ”). I’m not the one (leading a parliamentary party) with image problems (and ventriloquist dolls, when you get down to it, are of indeterminate sex, being pieces of inanimate material for whom others must make up their lines - you might say they’re plagiarists too, like Bishop) – using Bishop to prosecute “such an important issue”, because “she’s a woman”.<br />
With his image problems/poll figures he has to back off, he could have tuned Pyne up and set him on the government as he usually does, in some hypocritical tizz - but Gillard is a woman and he doesn’t want to be labelled misogynist any more - he’s done that to within an inch of the death of his public image. So it’s down to that “Paragon of Plagiarism” to come to the aid of the party.</p>
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		<title>By: Moloch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moloch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 05:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is nothing more nor less than the Australian &#039;birther scandal&#039;.

Elderly, male misogynists in Australia can&#039;t deal with a woman in power, just like the elderly, white racists can&#039;t deal with a black president - so they cling to any pathetic straw that allows them to think that the hated figure is illegitimate. 

Look at the similarities 

Started and run by shock jocks - tick
Supported by the Murdoch empire  - tick
All questions answered, with documentary evidence - tick
All answers rejected, same questions asked over and over and over - tick

In fact this is now the entire MO of the extreme right wing nut brigade. They&#039;ve done it to  Climate change - it&#039;s not happening! It&#039;s a conspiracy! Cover up!  They did it with cigarettes and lung cancer, that was the model that worked and it&#039;s been recycled ever since. 

Read Naomi Oreskes book Merchants of Doubt. 
This is not about truth, its about sowing doubt in the minds of the politically unengaged so they&#039;ll vote against the &#039;climate lie&#039;, foreign-born socialist, corrupt union patsy...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is nothing more nor less than the Australian &#8216;birther scandal&#8217;.</p>
<p>Elderly, male misogynists in Australia can&#8217;t deal with a woman in power, just like the elderly, white racists can&#8217;t deal with a black president - so they cling to any pathetic straw that allows them to think that the hated figure is illegitimate. </p>
<p>Look at the similarities </p>
<p>Started and run by shock jocks - tick<br />
Supported by the Murdoch empire  - tick<br />
All questions answered, with documentary evidence - tick<br />
All answers rejected, same questions asked over and over and over - tick</p>
<p>In fact this is now the entire MO of the extreme right wing nut brigade. They&#8217;ve done it to  Climate change - it&#8217;s not happening! It&#8217;s a conspiracy! Cover up!  They did it with cigarettes and lung cancer, that was the model that worked and it&#8217;s been recycled ever since. </p>
<p>Read Naomi Oreskes book Merchants of Doubt.<br />
This is not about truth, its about sowing doubt in the minds of the politically unengaged so they&#8217;ll vote against the &#8216;climate lie&#8217;, foreign-born socialist, corrupt union patsy&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Venise Alstergren</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/26/the-mechanics-of-how-a-smear-campaign-was-legitimised/comment-page-2/#comment-229789</link>
		<dc:creator>Venise Alstergren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 02:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CHAD: Maybe she decided to enter politics? Resigning from a job to take another one is scarcely ASIO sort of mole digging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CHAD: Maybe she decided to enter politics? Resigning from a job to take another one is scarcely ASIO sort of mole digging.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/26/the-mechanics-of-how-a-smear-campaign-was-legitimised/comment-page-2/#comment-229781</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 02:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we apply the same logic as Gillard&#039;s critics, should we then say that Tony Abbott&#039;s time as a seminarian and involvement with Catholic institutions means that he has questions to answer regarding the activities of paedophile priests?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we apply the same logic as Gillard&#8217;s critics, should we then say that Tony Abbott&#8217;s time as a seminarian and involvement with Catholic institutions means that he has questions to answer regarding the activities of paedophile priests?</p>
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		<title>By: David Hand</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/26/the-mechanics-of-how-a-smear-campaign-was-legitimised/comment-page-2/#comment-229775</link>
		<dc:creator>David Hand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 00:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is great entertainment.  I haven&#039;t seen such a fun thread for some time.  I couldn&#039;t make up the bile and vitriol expressed here.  I thought call_ing Jul_ie Bishop a Barbie doll was a particularl_y topical example of the genre – a s*xist and misogynistic put-down tailor made for this period in our national discourse.
The whole AWU question has oxygen because it is just one of the events of substance that have broken out around the widespread perception of the union movement’s antidemocratic, self-serving, el_itist practices.  Deals are done behind closed doors, members’ money is misappropriated, rank and file members are done over and Labor MPs have masters other than their constituents.  Allegedl_y.
Here we have a real issue; maybe minor compared to Eddie Obeid or Craig Thompson, that directl_y involves the prime minister.
I don’t have a problem with people defending her from the legal point of view.  “I did nothing wrong” is such a convenient lawyer’s l_ine, probabl_y technicall_y true but completel_y unsatisfying.  It sounds more like Nixon’s “I am not a crook” statement or Clinton’s “I did not have s*xual relations with that woman”.  The questions circling about her have effect because they touch the undemocratic nepotistic union cult.  Shorten understands this and is creating a bit of distance between him and her – to Julia’s disadvantage.
The “nothing to see here, move along” campaigning from Julia’s front bench and Crikey has the look and feel of the phone hacking scandal before Millie Dowler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great entertainment.  I haven&#8217;t seen such a fun thread for some time.  I couldn&#8217;t make up the bile and vitriol expressed here.  I thought call_ing Jul_ie Bishop a Barbie doll was a particularl_y topical example of the genre – a s*xist and misogynistic put-down tailor made for this period in our national discourse.<br />
The whole AWU question has oxygen because it is just one of the events of substance that have broken out around the widespread perception of the union movement’s antidemocratic, self-serving, el_itist practices.  Deals are done behind closed doors, members’ money is misappropriated, rank and file members are done over and Labor MPs have masters other than their constituents.  Allegedl_y.<br />
Here we have a real issue; maybe minor compared to Eddie Obeid or Craig Thompson, that directl_y involves the prime minister.<br />
I don’t have a problem with people defending her from the legal point of view.  “I did nothing wrong” is such a convenient lawyer’s l_ine, probabl_y technicall_y true but completel_y unsatisfying.  It sounds more like Nixon’s “I am not a crook” statement or Clinton’s “I did not have s*xual relations with that woman”.  The questions circling about her have effect because they touch the undemocratic nepotistic union cult.  Shorten understands this and is creating a bit of distance between him and her – to Julia’s disadvantage.<br />
The “nothing to see here, move along” campaigning from Julia’s front bench and Crikey has the look and feel of the phone hacking scandal before Millie Dowler.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 00:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a poorly researched article. The story came about as a result of comments made by Labor Party member Robert Mc Celland, the Liberal Party did not mention it for some time. 

It&#039;s hilarious and extremely poor journalism, that you lazily play the gender card for Gillard. She is the one who deliberately lied to a WA government agency in registering the slush fund, which she told them was for the purpose of safer workplaces and skills training. If she is completely free of any poor behaviour, then why did she resign?

As Dennis Shanahan noted, when pressed as to why she did she leave her jobnot tell the AWU or authorities of the existence of the association after concerns about Wilson’s alleged fraud involving another slush fund were voiced publicly, the Prime Minister argued she had no evidence of any criminality or wrongdoing to report to the AWU or police.

But when asked in parliament earlier this month why she had not reported “the fraud” involving the AWU Workplace Reform Association, Gillard replied: “By the time the matters she (Bishop) refers to came to my attention they were already the subject of inquiry and investigation.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a poorly researched article. The story came about as a result of comments made by Labor Party member Robert Mc Celland, the Liberal Party did not mention it for some time. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s hilarious and extremely poor journalism, that you lazily play the gender card for Gillard. She is the one who deliberately lied to a WA government agency in registering the slush fund, which she told them was for the purpose of safer workplaces and skills training. If she is completely free of any poor behaviour, then why did she resign?</p>
<p>As Dennis Shanahan noted, when pressed as to why she did she leave her jobnot tell the AWU or authorities of the existence of the association after concerns about Wilson’s alleged fraud involving another slush fund were voiced publicly, the Prime Minister argued she had no evidence of any criminality or wrongdoing to report to the AWU or police.</p>
<p>But when asked in parliament earlier this month why she had not reported “the fraud” involving the AWU Workplace Reform Association, Gillard replied: “By the time the matters she (Bishop) refers to came to my attention they were already the subject of inquiry and investigation.”</p>
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		<title>By: The Pav</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/26/the-mechanics-of-how-a-smear-campaign-was-legitimised/comment-page-2/#comment-229772</link>
		<dc:creator>The Pav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 00:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve Mac @ 82

You&#039;ve got to be kidding&quot;The Prime Minister has threatened media organisations so that the matter would not be reported which led to two journalsts sackings&quot;

Not Reported !!!!!!!!! What do you call blanket coverage that has been going on for gawd knows how long &amp; endless investigations by News Ltd!

The basis on which the account was set up was less than ideal but not an uncommon occurrence. What happened afterwards was nothing to do with the PM. IUf bribes were paid then why aren&#039;t those who paid them also being pursued? Surely they are just as culpable

If you are concerned with probity how about the endless corporate malpractice that elicits not a squeak from a subservient media and worthless oppostion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Mac @ 82</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve got to be kidding&#8221;The Prime Minister has threatened media organisations so that the matter would not be reported which led to two journalsts sackings&#8221;</p>
<p>Not Reported !!!!!!!!! What do you call blanket coverage that has been going on for gawd knows how long &amp; endless investigations by News Ltd!</p>
<p>The basis on which the account was set up was less than ideal but not an uncommon occurrence. What happened afterwards was nothing to do with the PM. IUf bribes were paid then why aren&#8217;t those who paid them also being pursued? Surely they are just as culpable</p>
<p>If you are concerned with probity how about the endless corporate malpractice that elicits not a squeak from a subservient media and worthless oppostion?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve MacNeil</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/26/the-mechanics-of-how-a-smear-campaign-was-legitimised/comment-page-2/#comment-229771</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve MacNeil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 00:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Prime Minister set up a fund purporting to be a worker training resource and conceded it as a slush fund. $400,000 was embezzled by her partner, a union executive who instructed her and nothing has been done in seventeen years about it.
The Prime Minister has threatened media organisations so that the matter would not be reported which led to two journalsts sackings.
That&#039;s not a story?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Prime Minister set up a fund purporting to be a worker training resource and conceded it as a slush fund. $400,000 was embezzled by her partner, a union executive who instructed her and nothing has been done in seventeen years about it.<br />
The Prime Minister has threatened media organisations so that the matter would not be reported which led to two journalsts sackings.<br />
That&#8217;s not a story?</p>
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		<title>By: rhonaj</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/26/the-mechanics-of-how-a-smear-campaign-was-legitimised/comment-page-2/#comment-229766</link>
		<dc:creator>rhonaj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 23:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julia Gillard is being persecuted no evidence, of wrongdoing, has been produced, - merely innuendo. If T. Abbott and Ms. Bishop had any real evidence it would have been out by now. As to the Canberra Press gallery they all live in the same rut feeding off each other and the rut exists in a bubble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julia Gillard is being persecuted no evidence, of wrongdoing, has been produced, - merely innuendo. If T. Abbott and Ms. Bishop had any real evidence it would have been out by now. As to the Canberra Press gallery they all live in the same rut feeding off each other and the rut exists in a bubble.</p>
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		<title>By: klewso</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/26/the-mechanics-of-how-a-smear-campaign-was-legitimised/comment-page-2/#comment-229760</link>
		<dc:creator>klewso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 23:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They won&#039;t believe anything she says because they don&#039;t want to believe it - having said what she has several times - it doesn&#039;t matter what she says. Seems the conservatives are intent on some &quot;Describe a vacuum (in 2000 words at least)&quot; sort of exercise. 

And &quot;Abbott the Ventriloquist&quot; using &quot;Barbie&quot; Bishop doll to deliver his lines in &quot;the big house&quot; yesterday - nothing else on? How would Bishop like her past (toiling away in the interests of CSR - to put off having to face their responsibilties) dragged out (like this past of Gillard&#039;s is being projected in our media) to show her real &quot;interest&quot; in the likes of &quot;Abbott/Howard Battlers&quot; - the workers - with their vote, and with WorkChoices waiting for new name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They won&#8217;t believe anything she says because they don&#8217;t want to believe it - having said what she has several times - it doesn&#8217;t matter what she says. Seems the conservatives are intent on some &#8220;Describe a vacuum (in 2000 words at least)&#8221; sort of exercise. </p>
<p>And &#8220;Abbott the Ventriloquist&#8221; using &#8220;Barbie&#8221; Bishop doll to deliver his lines in &#8220;the big house&#8221; yesterday - nothing else on? How would Bishop like her past (toiling away in the interests of CSR - to put off having to face their responsibilties) dragged out (like this past of Gillard&#8217;s is being projected in our media) to show her real &#8220;interest&#8221; in the likes of &#8220;Abbott/Howard Battlers&#8221; - the workers - with their vote, and with WorkChoices waiting for new name.</p>
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		<title>By: Liamj</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/26/the-mechanics-of-how-a-smear-campaign-was-legitimised/comment-page-2/#comment-229757</link>
		<dc:creator>Liamj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 22:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, when is Tony Abbott going to attend a press conference to discuss his alleged involvement in sexual abuse at St Johns College?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, when is Tony Abbott going to attend a press conference to discuss his alleged involvement in sexual abuse at St Johns College?</p>
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		<title>By: Liamj</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/26/the-mechanics-of-how-a-smear-campaign-was-legitimised/comment-page-2/#comment-229756</link>
		<dc:creator>Liamj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 22:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark Baker at The Age - does his &#039;editor at large&#039; position pre-date Ms Rineharts purchase of Fairfax share, or is it a consequence of same? 

And to echo many others: death of the old white farts media? bring it on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Baker at The Age - does his &#8216;editor at large&#8217; position pre-date Ms Rineharts purchase of Fairfax share, or is it a consequence of same? </p>
<p>And to echo many others: death of the old white farts media? bring it on.</p>
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		<title>By: iggy648</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/26/the-mechanics-of-how-a-smear-campaign-was-legitimised/comment-page-2/#comment-229755</link>
		<dc:creator>iggy648</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 22:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Damn, now I feel silly!)</description>
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		<title>By: iggy648</title>
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		<dc:creator>iggy648</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 22:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie, try crimestoppers 1800 *** ***. They&#039;ll take your evidence. Or WA police 131***.(Google it!)Just pick up the phone. And PeeJizz, changing the first letter of someone&#039;s name to make them look foolish is just silly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie, try crimestoppers 1800 *** ***. They&#8217;ll take your evidence. Or WA police 131***.(Google it!)Just pick up the phone. And PeeJizz, changing the first letter of someone&#8217;s name to make them look foolish is just silly!</p>
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