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	<title>Comments on: Tale of two Australias, one disconnected from reality</title>
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		<title>By: Bill Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/23/keane-tale-of-two-australias-one-disconnected-from-reality/comment-page-2/#comment-229787</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 02:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Bernard for your so objective description of reality. It made me realise just how lucky we are that you don&#039;t own Fairfax. 

The trouble with your Canberra-esque reporting style is that it is so limited by your mere mirroring of one side of a simplistic two party debate and world view. You write about Gillard and Labor with all the objectivity of a one-eyed sports fanatic. Your writing often reveals a very limited mental model that assumes that anybody who is critical of Gillard and Labor must, by definition, be pro-LNP.

In terms of your view of the real Australia you seem to think that people who are in the business of producing tradeable goods and services that we can sold in international markets are just some biased marginal minority group. In your view, Labor seems to have done no wrong....and any stories of Labor wrong doing are just fabricated spin from a biased and hostile mainstream media who refuse to see St Julia as  Australia&#039;s answer to Joan of Arc.

I have a suggestion for your professional development Bernard. There is no doubt that you can write well. I think that your problem may be a lack of contact with people who live in another real world than the one you must live in. Why don&#039;t you spend some time in a community where most of the people you talk to are not members of a political party or journalists or economists or employees of government or non-government organisations. In fact cut all those people out of your life for a full month. Try to talk to some farmers and small business owners and tourism operators and education service exporters and tradespeople....preferably who don&#039;t live in a capital city. Perhaps your view of the real world might become open to a separate reality....without the help of Carlos Castaneda.

P.S. What could possibly possess you to suggest that this Labor government has installed &quot;big improvements&quot; to our superannuation? Paul Keating certainly doesn&#039;t think so. And who says that having a currency valued by currency traders is any way beneficial in your &quot;real world&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Bernard for your so objective description of reality. It made me realise just how lucky we are that you don&#8217;t own Fairfax. </p>
<p>The trouble with your Canberra-esque reporting style is that it is so limited by your mere mirroring of one side of a simplistic two party debate and world view. You write about Gillard and Labor with all the objectivity of a one-eyed sports fanatic. Your writing often reveals a very limited mental model that assumes that anybody who is critical of Gillard and Labor must, by definition, be pro-LNP.</p>
<p>In terms of your view of the real Australia you seem to think that people who are in the business of producing tradeable goods and services that we can sold in international markets are just some biased marginal minority group. In your view, Labor seems to have done no wrong&#8230;.and any stories of Labor wrong doing are just fabricated spin from a biased and hostile mainstream media who refuse to see St Julia as  Australia&#8217;s answer to Joan of Arc.</p>
<p>I have a suggestion for your professional development Bernard. There is no doubt that you can write well. I think that your problem may be a lack of contact with people who live in another real world than the one you must live in. Why don&#8217;t you spend some time in a community where most of the people you talk to are not members of a political party or journalists or economists or employees of government or non-government organisations. In fact cut all those people out of your life for a full month. Try to talk to some farmers and small business owners and tourism operators and education service exporters and tradespeople&#8230;.preferably who don&#8217;t live in a capital city. Perhaps your view of the real world might become open to a separate reality&#8230;.without the help of Carlos Castaneda.</p>
<p>P.S. What could possibly possess you to suggest that this Labor government has installed &#8220;big improvements&#8221; to our superannuation? Paul Keating certainly doesn&#8217;t think so. And who says that having a currency valued by currency traders is any way beneficial in your &#8220;real world&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: geomac62</title>
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		<dc:creator>geomac62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 09:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David
 I made no idiotic comment . My last post referred to you and your similar attitude and thinking with Ed James . Peas in a pod so why not suggest you two hook up . Ed is always putting his number out there , take advantage . Logical or so it seems to me , far from idiotic .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David<br />
 I made no idiotic comment . My last post referred to you and your similar attitude and thinking with Ed James . Peas in a pod so why not suggest you two hook up . Ed is always putting his number out there , take advantage . Logical or so it seems to me , far from idiotic .</p>
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		<title>By: David Goldstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Goldstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 08:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Labor is smiling as they deny basic human rights to refugees, gays and lesbians, take away support for single parents and do bugger all for Aboriginal people. I&#039;d be smiling too... if I was a right wing reactionary party. Who needs Pauline Hanson and/or One Nation when you have the two main parties in Australia...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Labor is smiling as they deny basic human rights to refugees, gays and lesbians, take away support for single parents and do bugger all for Aboriginal people. I&#8217;d be smiling too&#8230; if I was a right wing reactionary party. Who needs Pauline Hanson and/or One Nation when you have the two main parties in Australia&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: tonyfunnywalker</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/23/keane-tale-of-two-australias-one-disconnected-from-reality/comment-page-2/#comment-229703</link>
		<dc:creator>tonyfunnywalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 08:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Labor incompetent - for that read Liberals under Abbott. 
The 2 year dummy spit has come home to roost. Boadica Gillard has slain Abbott, Bishop has put up token resistance helped by News Ltd but she was put to the sword at question time today. 
To watch question time now is facinating, the losers bench is bored/ haggard/ devoid of any spirit and the body language is one of downcast eyes  filled with despondensy. Labor is smiling, heads are held high, they speak with authority and they have a proud record to back it up in economics, electoral reform, international relations, and social reform and the Murray Darling Plan is a triumph. 
The Liberals are in a no win situation, irrespective of the efforts of the press.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Labor incompetent - for that read Liberals under Abbott.<br />
The 2 year dummy spit has come home to roost. Boadica Gillard has slain Abbott, Bishop has put up token resistance helped by News Ltd but she was put to the sword at question time today.<br />
To watch question time now is facinating, the losers bench is bored/ haggard/ devoid of any spirit and the body language is one of downcast eyes  filled with despondensy. Labor is smiling, heads are held high, they speak with authority and they have a proud record to back it up in economics, electoral reform, international relations, and social reform and the Murray Darling Plan is a triumph.<br />
The Liberals are in a no win situation, irrespective of the efforts of the press.</p>
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		<title>By: David Goldstein</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/23/keane-tale-of-two-australias-one-disconnected-from-reality/comment-page-2/#comment-229585</link>
		<dc:creator>David Goldstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 04:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee whiz Geomac, so you can&#039;t justify Labor&#039;s incompetence under Gillard anymore, so you start making idiotic comments. Troy Bramston&#039;s opinion piece in The Australian today sets out Labor&#039;s woes in better detail than anyone on Crikey.

As for Gillard opposing gay marriage, she actively opposed it. Even Keane wrote on it here at http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/12/01/gay-marriage-gillard-deploys-her-troops-for-the-wrong-battle/

As I mentioned, and as Bramston mentions in his article, there are more failures than gay marriage for Labor under Gillard.

And why make excuses and start blaming Abbott? To give him credit, even though he wouldn&#039;t allow a conscience vote on gay marriage, he did campaign for his sister in the recent local government elections, so he&#039;s probably less homophobic than Gillard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee whiz Geomac, so you can&#8217;t justify Labor&#8217;s incompetence under Gillard anymore, so you start making idiotic comments. Troy Bramston&#8217;s opinion piece in The Australian today sets out Labor&#8217;s woes in better detail than anyone on Crikey.</p>
<p>As for Gillard opposing gay marriage, she actively opposed it. Even Keane wrote on it here at <a href="http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/12/01/gay-marriage-gillard-deploys-her-troops-for-the-wrong-battle/" rel="nofollow">http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/12/01/gay-marriage-gillard-deploys-her-troops-for-the-wrong-battle/</a></p>
<p>As I mentioned, and as Bramston mentions in his article, there are more failures than gay marriage for Labor under Gillard.</p>
<p>And why make excuses and start blaming Abbott? To give him credit, even though he wouldn&#8217;t allow a conscience vote on gay marriage, he did campaign for his sister in the recent local government elections, so he&#8217;s probably less homophobic than Gillard.</p>
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		<title>By: tonyfunnywalker</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/23/keane-tale-of-two-australias-one-disconnected-from-reality/comment-page-2/#comment-229538</link>
		<dc:creator>tonyfunnywalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 01:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I had read it all, Hedley Thomas and Dennis Shanahan promoting ethics, this is a bit like Robert Mugabi promoting tolerance. And Abbott to bring in a private members bill on union ethics - hypocracy- what about promoting ethics in the Liberal Party and the dirty tricks that have put politics in the gutter over the last 3 years. 

Here&#039;s one for First Dog on the Moon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I had read it all, Hedley Thomas and Dennis Shanahan promoting ethics, this is a bit like Robert Mugabi promoting tolerance. And Abbott to bring in a private members bill on union ethics - hypocracy- what about promoting ethics in the Liberal Party and the dirty tricks that have put politics in the gutter over the last 3 years. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s one for First Dog on the Moon.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/23/keane-tale-of-two-australias-one-disconnected-from-reality/comment-page-2/#comment-229532</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2012 23:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love it, Geomac62!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love it, Geomac62!</p>
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		<title>By: geomac62</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/23/keane-tale-of-two-australias-one-disconnected-from-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-229531</link>
		<dc:creator>geomac62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2012 23:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen
A case of the smoking none .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen<br />
A case of the smoking none .</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/23/keane-tale-of-two-australias-one-disconnected-from-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-229528</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2012 22:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Bernard Keane - so true, well said. I was chortling and laughing at your frank observations of how truly BAD the MSM, including this disgraceful ABC, have become in raking and pushing the unsupported trash of the nuRight. Not a single fact to support their ugly, nasty polemic, not one,just L$es.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Bernard Keane - so true, well said. I was chortling and laughing at your frank observations of how truly BAD the MSM, including this disgraceful ABC, have become in raking and pushing the unsupported trash of the nuRight. Not a single fact to support their ugly, nasty polemic, not one,just L$es.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward James</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/23/keane-tale-of-two-australias-one-disconnected-from-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-229523</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More news on the Heiner Affair http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/rudd-goss-could-face-inquiry-20121101-28mo5.html#ixzz2AxSkzcmR
Edward James</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More news on the Heiner Affair <a href="http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/rudd-goss-could-face-inquiry-20121101-28mo5.html#ixzz2AxSkzcmR" rel="nofollow">http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/rudd-goss-could-face-inquiry-20121101-28mo5.html#ixzz2AxSkzcmR</a><br />
Edward James</p>
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		<title>By: Achmed</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/23/keane-tale-of-two-australias-one-disconnected-from-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-229507</link>
		<dc:creator>Achmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2012 03:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David...what did Gillard actively do to oppose gay marriage?
She voiced her opinion, just like everyone else.  She did not impose that opinion on others, she supported a conscience vote.
Abbott imposed his opposition to gay marriage by stating it was policy to be opposed.  Perhaps if Abbott wasn&#039;t so homophobic and had also suported a conscience vote the legislation would have passed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David&#8230;what did Gillard actively do to oppose gay marriage?<br />
She voiced her opinion, just like everyone else.  She did not impose that opinion on others, she supported a conscience vote.<br />
Abbott imposed his opposition to gay marriage by stating it was policy to be opposed.  Perhaps if Abbott wasn&#8217;t so homophobic and had also suported a conscience vote the legislation would have passed.</p>
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		<title>By: geomac62</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/23/keane-tale-of-two-australias-one-disconnected-from-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-229506</link>
		<dc:creator>geomac62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2012 03:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Goldstein
 You should give Ed James a call . You two have a lot in common .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Goldstein<br />
 You should give Ed James a call . You two have a lot in common .</p>
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		<title>By: David Goldstein</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/23/keane-tale-of-two-australias-one-disconnected-from-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-229504</link>
		<dc:creator>David Goldstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2012 02:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geomac - the prime minister actively opposed gay marriage. Why? Part of her incompetence. She could have shut up and said it&#039;s up the party to decide, but she went to the party conference and voiced opposition. If Gillard hadn&#039;t given a conscience vote there probably would have been a rebellion.

As for single parents, why cut their benefits in the first place? They are one of the groups in society struggling the most.

Gillard and her cronies, especially the NSW right, represent all that is disgraceful about modern Labor. Get rid of them. I&#039;ve gone beyond caring about who replaces them. I just want them gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geomac - the prime minister actively opposed gay marriage. Why? Part of her incompetence. She could have shut up and said it&#8217;s up the party to decide, but she went to the party conference and voiced opposition. If Gillard hadn&#8217;t given a conscience vote there probably would have been a rebellion.</p>
<p>As for single parents, why cut their benefits in the first place? They are one of the groups in society struggling the most.</p>
<p>Gillard and her cronies, especially the NSW right, represent all that is disgraceful about modern Labor. Get rid of them. I&#8217;ve gone beyond caring about who replaces them. I just want them gone.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh (Charlie) McColl</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/23/keane-tale-of-two-australias-one-disconnected-from-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-229499</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh (Charlie) McColl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim Rowe, your actual written words almost exactly encapsulate the argument Bernard was making.  You are &quot;... an optimist and believe Australia has a bright future&quot; (that&#039;s your dream).  
At the same time &quot;...We have a totally artificial property market value which will naturally adjust eventually, once those propping it up run out of money and bullshit. That is when the bubble will burst&quot; (that&#039;s your reality).
Is your &#039;agenda&#039; to pursue your dream, face up to reality (as you see it) or, like Bernard Keane, simply note both arms of the dilemma and try to understand each of them better?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim Rowe, your actual written words almost exactly encapsulate the argument Bernard was making.  You are &#8220;&#8230; an optimist and believe Australia has a bright future&#8221; (that&#8217;s your dream).<br />
At the same time &#8220;&#8230;We have a totally artificial property market value which will naturally adjust eventually, once those propping it up run out of money and bullshit. That is when the bubble will burst&#8221; (that&#8217;s your reality).<br />
Is your &#8216;agenda&#8217; to pursue your dream, face up to reality (as you see it) or, like Bernard Keane, simply note both arms of the dilemma and try to understand each of them better?</p>
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		<title>By: Achmed</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/23/keane-tale-of-two-australias-one-disconnected-from-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-229498</link>
		<dc:creator>Achmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2012 00:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 27% who have the same knowledge of economics as TA are the only ones who think Australia is anywhere close to being a Spain/Greece etc.
They happily trash our economy scaring away investors. TA as PM is the goal, the only goal and to hell with how they get there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 27% who have the same knowledge of economics as TA are the only ones who think Australia is anywhere close to being a Spain/Greece etc.<br />
They happily trash our economy scaring away investors. TA as PM is the goal, the only goal and to hell with how they get there.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Rowe</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/23/keane-tale-of-two-australias-one-disconnected-from-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-229491</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Rowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 21:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bernard,
You sound like a true supporter of the hill in Canberra and just as biased as any other agenda-driven media outlet I&#039;m sorry to say mate.
As for your two different Australian realities, there is a bit of truth in both;
I am an optimist and believe Australia has a bright future,
however, I&#039;m not an idiot open to being influenced by media or politicians, into thinking all is well.

You can&#039;t seriously deny there is a property bubble in Australia and keep your credibility mate!!!  Take a squizz at our property market right now. We have a totally artificial property market value which will naturally adjust eventually, once those propping it up run out of money and bullshit. That is when the bubble will burst.
I will give your little online paper a chance to prove you are really not agenda driven but based on reality and the truth as this working Australian is sick of being fed bullshit and kept in the dark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bernard,<br />
You sound like a true supporter of the hill in Canberra and just as biased as any other agenda-driven media outlet I&#8217;m sorry to say mate.<br />
As for your two different Australian realities, there is a bit of truth in both;<br />
I am an optimist and believe Australia has a bright future,<br />
however, I&#8217;m not an idiot open to being influenced by media or politicians, into thinking all is well.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t seriously deny there is a property bubble in Australia and keep your credibility mate!!!  Take a squizz at our property market right now. We have a totally artificial property market value which will naturally adjust eventually, once those propping it up run out of money and bullshit. That is when the bubble will burst.<br />
I will give your little online paper a chance to prove you are really not agenda driven but based on reality and the truth as this working Australian is sick of being fed bullshit and kept in the dark</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Fürst</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/23/keane-tale-of-two-australias-one-disconnected-from-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-229485</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Fürst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 14:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it might be a good time go check out some short term trading opportunity for the 29th of this month.

as consumer sentiment somewhat got some relief during the last couple of months i think there is a quite good probability of getting better than expected numbers for the new home sales numbers &lt;a href=&quot;http://neuronalysis.com/view.php?type=indicator&amp;id=188&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link here&lt;/a&gt; which could have quite some positiv impact on the stock market in general...


so going long mid of next week might be a good idea in my opinion...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it might be a good time go check out some short term trading opportunity for the 29th of this month.</p>
<p>as consumer sentiment somewhat got some relief during the last couple of months i think there is a quite good probability of getting better than expected numbers for the new home sales numbers <a href="http://neuronalysis.com/view.php?type=indicator&amp;id=188" rel="nofollow">link here</a> which could have quite some positiv impact on the stock market in general&#8230;</p>
<p>so going long mid of next week might be a good idea in my opinion&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: geomac62</title>
		<link>http://www.crikey.com.au/2012/11/23/keane-tale-of-two-australias-one-disconnected-from-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-229484</link>
		<dc:creator>geomac62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 13:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Goldstein
 In plain english I don,t oppose or favour gay marriage . I,m not denying anyone anything relating to marriage . If your a refugee , single parent or a gay or lesbian it makes very little difference which of the two major parties is in office . The only difference is that Labor had a conscience vote and the libs didn,t . Raising the tax free threshold to 18k ? probably helped some single parents with part time work . Does that count ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Goldstein<br />
 In plain english I don,t oppose or favour gay marriage . I,m not denying anyone anything relating to marriage . If your a refugee , single parent or a gay or lesbian it makes very little difference which of the two major parties is in office . The only difference is that Labor had a conscience vote and the libs didn,t . Raising the tax free threshold to 18k ? probably helped some single parents with part time work . Does that count ?</p>
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		<title>By: David Goldstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Goldstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 11:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geomac - it&#039;s about choice, and Gillard actively campaigned against gay marriage. She opposed it at the ALP conference. Don&#039;t give me this garbage about it being a piece of paper. It&#039;s about equal opportunity, equality. And if you&#039;re a refugee, a single parent or gay or lesbian, Gillard and her government are prepared to deny you rights, or take away entitlements. And it&#039;s fine if you don&#039;t approve of gays and lesbians getting married, but that&#039;s your choice. Just don&#039;t deny other people such choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geomac - it&#8217;s about choice, and Gillard actively campaigned against gay marriage. She opposed it at the ALP conference. Don&#8217;t give me this garbage about it being a piece of paper. It&#8217;s about equal opportunity, equality. And if you&#8217;re a refugee, a single parent or gay or lesbian, Gillard and her government are prepared to deny you rights, or take away entitlements. And it&#8217;s fine if you don&#8217;t approve of gays and lesbians getting married, but that&#8217;s your choice. Just don&#8217;t deny other people such choice.</p>
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		<title>By: geomac62</title>
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		<dc:creator>geomac62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 11:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>floorer
 I agree with you or perhaps I think we are on the same page . As I said it doesn,t worry me if gay marriage is legal or not . Maybe I,m guilty of being ambivalent . To me an abuse or denial of human rights is disenfranchisement or blocking education , employment or housing opportunities .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>floorer<br />
 I agree with you or perhaps I think we are on the same page . As I said it doesn,t worry me if gay marriage is legal or not . Maybe I,m guilty of being ambivalent . To me an abuse or denial of human rights is disenfranchisement or blocking education , employment or housing opportunities .</p>
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		<title>By: floorer</title>
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		<dc:creator>floorer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 10:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>geomac, it&#039;s not just about gay marriage it&#039;s about live and let live. Keeping our noses out of other peoples lives when it makes no difference to us, with the usual caveats no one gets hurt etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>geomac, it&#8217;s not just about gay marriage it&#8217;s about live and let live. Keeping our noses out of other peoples lives when it makes no difference to us, with the usual caveats no one gets hurt etc.</p>
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		<title>By: geomac62</title>
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		<dc:creator>geomac62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 10:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Goldstein
 What basic human rights are denied gays and lesbians ? The only one I can think of is marriage which is just a p[iece of paper . Legally all other unions can have the same status regarding property etc . Myself I don,t care if a couple regardless of their sex are married or not . As I recall Labor gave its members a conscience vote and libnats had to toe the line and vote against gay marriage . 
 I think a person loses cred when making a statement about basic human rights when they actually mean just one . All that stands between that one , marriage , is a piece of paper but legal protection for a union is the same . I,m sorry if my attitude offends but I,m entitled to it . I don,t care if gay marriage is legal or not .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Goldstein<br />
 What basic human rights are denied gays and lesbians ? The only one I can think of is marriage which is just a p[iece of paper . Legally all other unions can have the same status regarding property etc . Myself I don,t care if a couple regardless of their sex are married or not . As I recall Labor gave its members a conscience vote and libnats had to toe the line and vote against gay marriage .<br />
 I think a person loses cred when making a statement about basic human rights when they actually mean just one . All that stands between that one , marriage , is a piece of paper but legal protection for a union is the same . I,m sorry if my attitude offends but I,m entitled to it . I don,t care if gay marriage is legal or not .</p>
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		<title>By: David Goldstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Goldstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 07:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean: I might have already voted Green. But the problem with our voting system is if you despise both Labor and Liberal and can&#039;t vote for either, your vote in the lower house can&#039;t count.

On the national debt, why do people worry? It&#039;s a capitalist world, for better or worse, and if the national debt was a big issue those who deal in currency would be selling the Australian dollar. Instead they seem not to get enough of it, much to the detriment of exporters and tourists coming here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean: I might have already voted Green. But the problem with our voting system is if you despise both Labor and Liberal and can&#8217;t vote for either, your vote in the lower house can&#8217;t count.</p>
<p>On the national debt, why do people worry? It&#8217;s a capitalist world, for better or worse, and if the national debt was a big issue those who deal in currency would be selling the Australian dollar. Instead they seem not to get enough of it, much to the detriment of exporters and tourists coming here.</p>
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		<title>By: Achmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Achmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 04:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last artilce I read about Australias debt was that it cost 73c per day per person</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last artilce I read about Australias debt was that it cost 73c per day per person</p>
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		<title>By: tonyfunnywalker</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2012 01:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Bernard. Some of the articles in Fairfax and News toda are examples. Harcher goes in some way to recognise reality and then plots the demise of Gillard next week amongst the cross benches. 

By building a story on recall the press should be careful on recall or as in the UK they may land up in the same position as the BBC and ITV both of which published a lie by someone who had faulty recall. Blewett by his own admission is troubled by what was done in 1995. 

He may well suffer selective perception in support of his redemption with &quot; it wasn&#039;t me it was her/him&quot; or I was &quot; overseas at the time&quot; the plea from another emminent person currently. 

The voters and consumers of Australia are not stupid they do read widely over the internet and the news summaries help to identify key issues. 

The internet will render journalism obselete - it is already impotent and is increasingly frustrated by its impotence as the Gillard Government is able to Kick Goals irrespective of the distractions. 

Regretably the ABC is reduced to the mire of the cesspit and as a taxpayer I am indignnant of the fact that they are not serving the people who pay them and as a National Broadcaster they need to have greater due dilligence than they currently adopting. 

To be goaded into the AWU affair by the Australian shows the weak editorial resolve of the ABC and where there is resolve as shown by 744ABC for example the Australian lampoons them. 

The Australian public is heartily sick of this media circus. Whereas once you bought a newspaper for the news and you discarded ( responsibly ) the suppliments ( form guide, Real Estate, etc). 
 
These days it is the suppliments that are retained and it is the newspaper is destined for the recycle bin. 

With growing redundancies and falling graduate job opportunities,journalism is guaranteeing its own demise and in some cases the sooner the better as the so called newspapers and TV news analysis programs are advertorials from the &quot;spin doctoring&quot;  PR industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Bernard. Some of the articles in Fairfax and News toda are examples. Harcher goes in some way to recognise reality and then plots the demise of Gillard next week amongst the cross benches. </p>
<p>By building a story on recall the press should be careful on recall or as in the UK they may land up in the same position as the BBC and ITV both of which published a lie by someone who had faulty recall. Blewett by his own admission is troubled by what was done in 1995. </p>
<p>He may well suffer selective perception in support of his redemption with &#8221; it wasn&#8217;t me it was her/him&#8221; or I was &#8221; overseas at the time&#8221; the plea from another emminent person currently. </p>
<p>The voters and consumers of Australia are not stupid they do read widely over the internet and the news summaries help to identify key issues. </p>
<p>The internet will render journalism obselete - it is already impotent and is increasingly frustrated by its impotence as the Gillard Government is able to Kick Goals irrespective of the distractions. </p>
<p>Regretably the ABC is reduced to the mire of the cesspit and as a taxpayer I am indignnant of the fact that they are not serving the people who pay them and as a National Broadcaster they need to have greater due dilligence than they currently adopting. </p>
<p>To be goaded into the AWU affair by the Australian shows the weak editorial resolve of the ABC and where there is resolve as shown by 744ABC for example the Australian lampoons them. </p>
<p>The Australian public is heartily sick of this media circus. Whereas once you bought a newspaper for the news and you discarded ( responsibly ) the suppliments ( form guide, Real Estate, etc). </p>
<p>These days it is the suppliments that are retained and it is the newspaper is destined for the recycle bin. </p>
<p>With growing redundancies and falling graduate job opportunities,journalism is guaranteeing its own demise and in some cases the sooner the better as the so called newspapers and TV news analysis programs are advertorials from the &#8220;spin doctoring&#8221;  PR industry.</p>
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