Secondly, I said nothing offensive about the author. It’s not possible since I know nothing about her. I argued her reasoning but not her personally. You ought to retract that statement or apologise, since some of us still believe in etiquette (or should I say netiquette) and don’t accept boorish behaviour from keyboard warriors.

Finally, I’m more than happy to debate. You, on the other hand, just resorted to name calling.

I’d say we both believe that we need to reduce the number of abortions.

It’s not about forcing anyone to do anything, or a war on women (since I’d be at war with myself), but rather an attempt to rethink our prejudices. I can understand that there are many people out there who have been brought up with this backward thinking that they’re not really human beings. I can understand that they will never change their mind about it. And I’m definately against telling those who have had abortion that what they did was horrible, that’s not how you fix this HUMAN RIGHTS issue.

As I said, we need to educate our future generations on the measures of safe sex that reduce the need for abortion AND remove the discrimination we have of ALL human beings.

I could not look at myself in the mirror and say that I stand for equal rights for all human beings and be supportive of the discrimination of unborn children.

I do not consider a first-trimester foetus anything other than a *potential* human being. Abortions after the first trimester are overwhelmingly in the case of serious abnormalities in the foetus or threats to the life of the mother.

I assume you are in favour of measures that are shown to reduce the incidence of abortion, such as the availability of safe, legal abortion, comprehensive sex education and easy and cheap availability of contraception?

Did you watch Dangerous Remedy on the ABC last Sunday night for a view of how things were when abortion was illegal? Is that what you want to go back to?

Not only is your question irrelevant, ungrammatical and loaded with venom, I don’t believe Caro mentioned this topic.

A further statement, “”As I said before, you’re no different.”” Different to what?

To be utterly tiresome you bring in the old furphy about unborn children being human beings. Using your analogy you, if you were desperate for some food, would turn down a bowl of pumpkin soup and ask instead for a pumpkin seed.

Please don’t bother to reply to me. You, and all your fellow fundamentalist, right wing religionists are all emotion and no bløødy logic. Qualities which are tiresome, inaccurate, rude and boring.

Finally, you would have us believe you were in favour of debate; really? Heigh ho.

I think it’s a totally misguided response indicative of an attitude that is neither constructive, nor considered.
Sadly, it’s the kind of behaviour that will only drive opponents deeper into their entrenched position ensuring the “conflict” is longer, harder and more destructive than it otherwise needs to be.

But no! Standing up to bullies is not bullying. Fighting for freedom is not oppression. Slavery is not freedom. Oceania has not always been at war with Eastasia.

The slav es were easier to control once the family structure was broken down and the dominan t m ales sub jugated.

This subju gation was achieved through humil iation via the r ape of their w ives in front of them and the vesting of power in the w omen. With the roles reversed and the establishment of the p ower vacuum the process of total c ontrol was complete.

So, what am I saying? Nothing really.

The slaves were easier to control once the family structure was broken down and the dominant males subjugated.

This subjugation was achieved through humiliation via the rape of their wives in front of them and the vesting of power in the women. With the roles reversed and the establishment of the power vacuum the process of total control was complete.

So, what am I saying? Nothing really.

Sorry Jane, but revenge belongs to an even higher power than you.

@Wolfie Rankin

I know the feeling only too well. It’s a result of the Sabbateans always owning both sides of the argument. Each side always has basic truths and obvious political, religious and philosophical floors. Thanks to the MSM, Thinktanks, Indoctrination Camps ( schools & universities )and all the rest of the social engineering agencies they own, they keep us in a state of social flux of confusion and division. Jane never stood a chance and it probably all started for her back in her university days.

But this month I turn 47, and I’m utterly terrified that I will wake up one morning soon and find out that I’m a conservative.

Can anyone help me before it’s too late?

Thirdly, if you really cared about equal rights and progressive ideas then how can you stand for the social darwinistic and barbaric idea that unborn children are nothing. You don’t even mention them! Way to avoid the subject. If you were truly brave about equal rights you would stand up for the most defenseless minority in the world. Instead, to you, they are just an inconvenience to be done away with. I bet you don’t even consider unborn children human beings, am I right? And yet you think you can lecture these “old white men” who have similar views that white man is the highest form of human being and everybody is below them. As I said before, you’re no different.

(And no one give me the whole “rape and insest” argument since I’m not refering to those instances)

As virtually every piece of social justice legislation appears to affect women especially, it is hard to imagine why women in this country even consider the conservatives as a viable group to govern them.

This is even more true when the present Labor Government is presiding over the lowest interest rates and personal taxes in memory, a hugely lower tax to GDP ratio than during the Howard years, a debt to GDP ratio that is one of the lowest in the world and low unemployment - all in the midst of the GFC.

Any Australian concerned with the future of this country for themselves and their children would be mad to even consider Abbott etc with the complete lack of personal believability and the total lack of credible policy that his now really right wing party represents.