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Bleich: ‘ridiculous’ to try to contain China, and about those birthers …

Jeffrey Bleich is concerned about the internet. Not concerned in the traditional, the-internet-is-the-end-of-the-world way — he is confident that eventually our media landscape will be able to meet the needs of the “much more sophisticated consumers” it is producing — but about what will happen along the way. He sees similar challenges for the media and for diplomats — “there’s a lot of uncertainty in the world and people because they just don’t know what to trust and what to believe”.

As Ambassador of the United States, even in an ally like Australia, trust and belief can be problematic. Mistrust of US intentions over Julian Assange, President Obama’s drone wars, what some claim is the build-up to war with Iran, the perception that Australia is co-operating too closely in American efforts to contain China — all built up in the perceived gap between what the Obama administration says and what it does. And it’s a problem not helped by what Bleich himself identifies as a declining trust in governments.

As the Ambassador talks to Crikey in his Canberra office — read his thoughts on WikiLeaks from yesterday —  he’s clearly been reflecting on how to be an effective diplomat in an era when people can pick and choose their own sources of information.

One thing I worry about is lack of fact-checking,” he says. “In the old days, nothing appeared in The New York Times or The Wall Street Journal or The Washington Post unless two different sources had verified it and there’d been all this kind of exquisite reassurances that it’s all true … people have opinions but they don’t have any facts, they make up facts to suit their opinions and then before you know it, a lot of other people take that as gospel, and it’s hard to convince them that something they’ve now believed for a long period, or seen over and over again on the web, isn’t true, which is why 30% or 40% of Americans think that President Obama wasn’t born in the US — freakin’ carbon-dated his birth certificate, what more can you do, the ink was put there in 1961, can we just move on …”

But the genie is out of the bottle, he says. Eventually, people will identify those sources that they believe they can trust. But until then, it’ll be “destructive and dislocating for how we make policy”.

Apart from the Clinton years, when State Department appointees came here, Canberra has traditionally been a politically appointed post. But Bleich isn’t exactly Mel Sembler. He is a lawyer, with a glittering CV — clerk to a Federal Court justice (which is when he met a hotshot young lawyer called Barack Obama) and then Chief Justice Rehnquist on the Supreme Court, a move into international law at The Hague, then a relocation to California and a rapid rise via “litigation powerhouse” Munger, Tolles & Olson.

He was law lecturer at Berkeley, president of the State Bar Association and filled senior positions in the American Bar Association, all while keeping his hand in in international law and positions on bodies such as Human Rights Watch. He returned to an old interest in juvenile violence during the Clinton years, becoming director of the White House Council on Youth Violence. When Obama was elected president, he tapped Bleich to be his Special Counsel. Like several previous ambassadors, Bleich had been a key fund-raiser for his president. He was co-chair of Obama’s Californian campaign and on his national finance committee.

We have tried it both ways, both with career foreign service officers and with what are called non-career or political ambassadors appointed directly by the president and our sense has been that Australia has preferred overall having non-career ambassadors,” he says. “Most people in DFAT already have plenty of friends in the State Department and they both know how to work levers within the agencies, so we’re really looking for someone who can cut through the bureaucracy a little bit and go directly go to the President or already has contacts in the other branches of government, and working with other cabinet offices and also with Capitol Hill.”

I ask him about the biggest debate in US-Australia relations at the moment, perceptions of US “containment of China” and our role in it. It’s only three weeks since Paul Keating launched The China Choice by Hugh White — called an “appeaser” in some circles — and its call for the US and Australia to accept China’s rise to greatness.

What Hugh did was he wrote a book which is helpful in getting people to think about Australia’s role in a changing, dynamic region,” says Bleich. But he thinks the book posits a false tension: “He sets up these two options — either the US is going to have to be cast off by Australia and the region in order for it to protect its economic prerogatives long term or the US has to be embraced in strangling all growth in the region so that it can maintain its proportionate position in the region. No one’s thinking in those terms.

The US has no interest in containing China and in fact it would be ridiculous to try — our economies are deeply, deeply interdependent. America’s rise and continued rise depends on China’s success and vice versa, so we are both betting big on each other … We’re investing heavily in the continued growth of the region, been doing it since we opened the relations with China back in the ’70s.”

He also thinks recent developments in defence co-operation have been overstated. “Obviously as we’ve ended one war in Iraq and we’re winding down a second war in the Middle East in Afghanistan, the US is going to think about where to focus its energies and what matters and what doesn’t matter in the next century. And what matters is peace and prosperity in the region, so we want to have people who are trained to operate in the Pacific, whether its humanitarian assistance, disaster relief, ensure there’s no piracy, those sorts of things, just to keep peaceful and calm seas, and this is a good place to train and exercise.

But we only do it Australia wants us to do it. So Australian facilities, they invite us here, right now we’re talking about a Marine company, it’s 200 Marines here for six months doing some training exercise. It’s valuable and we’re proud of it but it’s business as usual, I mean we’ve been training together in Australian facilities for decades, it’s a 60-year-old alliance, so I think it’s over-hyped.”

And he says there are no US concerns about our level of defence spending, although he chooses his words carefully: “No. We don’t. Australia’s a sovereign nation and it’s working out the same balances as we do, between how much to put in in a particular year for its defence needs and also meeting domestic objectives and everything else. So, no, we understand that Australia is making its trade-offs and we try to know of one another’s budget priorities so that we can work together, but it’s Australia’s decision.”

*Tomorrow: copyright, the Trans-Pacific Partnership and what features of Australian public life Bleich would like to take home

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  • 1
    bluepoppy
    Posted Thursday, 30 August 2012 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

    Internet or grass roots ‘media’ is not less professional, it is just a different
    type of media outlet. In fact many citizen or grass roots journalists
    demonstrate some remarkable investigative prowress or analysis.

    Perhaps internet bloggers and social media participants don’t have the
    same pressures from corporate bosses or from the 24 hour news cycle.

    Bleich is right about the risk of hysteria being whipped up in the media
    but I reckon the truth lies somewhere in the middle. It is a fact that cannot
    be denied that historically the US has not always been liberal with the
    truth. There is also an increasing awareness of the influence of business
    or corporate interests in much of government decision making. This
    rightly has created distrust and wariness of governments to truly act
    on behalf of the electorate or in their best interests (acknowledging that
    there will be many points of view on just what constitutes best interest).

    As far as Wikileaks goes and the fate of Julian Assange, Bleich does not
    acknowledge the statements from prominent US politicians and commentators
    calling for prison or worse death to Assange. As though somehow a person
    or organisation who reveals the truth about what governments do in
    their name are doing something illegal or bad. This is how much populations
    can be manipulated. We can all be manipulated. Add religious fervour and
    distorted jingoistic notions about patriotism and it can become…well
    ridiculous.

    If governments and media behaved more ethically and set a high standard
    then people would follow. It is not enough to say it is the fault of the internet.

    The internet just allows greater participation, information to flow
    faster and without censorship for the most part.

  • 2
    zut alors
    Posted Thursday, 30 August 2012 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    And what matters is peace and prosperity in the region, so we want to have people who are trained to operate in the Pacific…’

    But, as history shows, peace and prosperity are frequently sacrificed by US involvement.

  • 3
    Mike Smith
    Posted Thursday, 30 August 2012 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    People have this confusion between belief and fact, preferring to ascribe belief to things that can be measured with the lame comeback, “well, yes, they *would* say that”. I’m waiting for someone to disbelieve in gravity, and demonstrate their disbelief by jumping off a tall building. And Mr Ambassador, that’s what has happened to fact-checking.

  • 4
    robinw
    Posted Thursday, 30 August 2012 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

    I truly hope I can believe him. Great if it’s true.

  • 5
    Kevin Herbert
    Posted Thursday, 30 August 2012 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    Yankee Go Home….eos

  • 6
    AR
    Posted Thursday, 30 August 2012 at 8:32 pm | Permalink

    OK, so veracity isn’t his strong point nor, it seems, is geography (a second war in the Middle East??!? in Afghanistan) and his patronising attitude to OZ this is a good place to train & exercise shows no concept of tact or diplomacy.
    The only question left to put, as he shows no discernible talent, is “how much did you contribute to the Dems to secure the plum job out here?”.

  • 7
    Ashar
    Posted Friday, 31 August 2012 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    “In the old days, nothing appeared in The New York Times or The Wall Street Journal or The Washington Post unless two different sources had verified it and there’d been all this kind of exquisite reassurances that it’s all true … people have opinions but they don’t have any facts, they make up facts to suit their opinions and then before you know it, a lot of other people take that as gospel…”

    Sounds like what politicians have done all the time since the inceptions of the various modern democracies. As for the internet being the cause of the reduction in the veracity of news? Would that be towards the beginning of the 20thC when the NY Times, for one example, admits that they deliberately made a policy to under-report and minimize the Holocaust as it was happening? Or closer to now, when the NY Times gave George Bush a relatively free hand, as per the influence a major international press agency can, to conduct an illegal and immoral war on Iraq? Actually all three mentioned can be consistently shown to have had their own issues with honesty & transparency in reporting before the internet came along. Sounds like a diversion, given the Ambassador’s sterling obfuscations of the facts in yesterdays article, not really surprising is it? As more and more everyday folk get savvy with the internet, more and more become aware of how politicians & corporations, ever since the creation of modern democratic states have been taking them repeatedly and consistently for a ride.

    But the US Ambassador isn’t really talking about the everyday folk in this article, he’s talking about, The People That Matter. When he says “But we only do it Australia wants us to do it…” you’d be reasonably fooled into thinking that he actually is referring to approximately 22million+ people. But the very next line gives a deeper insight into actually “Who Matters.” “So Australian FACILITIES, they invite us here” [emphasis inserted] It’s the same everywhere unfortunately, to lesser or greater degrees. In the Ambassadors homeland of course, the current “WHO Matters” is limited to between 1% and 10% of the population. Because Australia is a client within the US hegemony, those people actually also matter here too, look up Mikey Mouse (The Disney Corporation) and International Copyrights laws for just one of the many deeply influencing exertions of “Who Matters.” I gather, like myself, the vast majority of you were never consulted about that significant change to the Australian legal codes by outside forces?

    At present in the Australian political landscape, there are a number of things that the US elites will have more say on what happens with your money and resources, than you will ever hope of having. Our Education system’s proposals from either Labor or the Co-alition will be decided by US elite influences being spread here. It might be an o.k. set of ideas, even though in this case they are not, but you will never be given the full disclosure of why these should or should not be introduced, nor will you be given a say with as much influence as either US or Australian elites. No mention of that as why there is “…what Bleich himself identifies as a declining trust in governments.” Kind of raises some fairly significant questions as to what a modern democracy actually is in practice?

    You will note a familiar theme in every major Western democracy by their major political parties “We are pro-corporations and pro-consumerism.” No discussion if that might sacrifice (has sacrificed) the “Of The People, By The People, For The People” silly old ditty - long before the introduction of the internet. “The People,” as everyday folk understand that term, get served only when it is in the interests of “The People Who Matter.”

    What people like Mr Bleich really fear, is that the civil wars that are inherent within democracies, (what do you think the creation of work unions; the whole civil rights movement; and the disassociation of a significant population of the youth of the 60’s and 70’s actually was, but an ongoing class/civil war) which currently is being dominated by “The People Who Matter” might turn the other way. The Occupy Wall Street, and thousands of other Occupy Movements around the world are the largest reading of the Riot Act to the elites of the West, (and elsewhere) ever.

    They fear that despite their efforts to minimize the reporting on the efficacy of these very popular, very grass-roots, movements will gain more traction. So Mr Bleich and the elites he serves will continue as any powerful force under internal or external threat(s). Unfortunately for the last century the elites have been very effective in divide and conquer, indoctrinating the ‘virtue of selfishness’ and other similar psychopathic messages into mainstream where it has become an industry - see self-help books which tell you that being selfish is good and right - irrespective of what the very word society actually means.

    For many people we forget that our western societies have been like this for an awfully long time, with occasional breaks when popular grass-roots movements say “Enough!” Even then the elites only have to wait for a complacent generation to continue with their agendas. See George Orwell, or Aldus Huxley (They’re easier to read, for most, than the current world champ of US foreign policy critique - Prof Noam Chomsky) for example - it’s all happened before. There is hope of course in eternal vigilance on the part of The People, indeed it will be what saves us from outright, as opposed to the subtle, civil war in the future.

  • 8
    Posted Friday, 31 August 2012 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    The first time the Americans sent a career diplomat to Australia was when Whitlam came to power-we were perceived to have suddenly turned communist. Prior to this we were fobbed off like the freshwater jerks that we were. I can’t believe any Ambassador from America could, or would, take us seriously. After all, an Ambassador has to reflect the thinking of his/her President. And, as we all know, the USA regards us as a place to dump their troops and as a place to enroll our own troops to fight in their wars.

    The fact that Jeffrey Bleich has a ton of brains only makes him fearsome. Let loose in a client State like Australia, Jeffrey Bleich -and his amazing CV- cannot be a true friend of our county.

  • 9
    Kevin Herbert
    Posted Friday, 31 August 2012 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

    Bleich says:
    “In the old days, nothing appeared in The New York Times or The Wall Street Journal or The Washington Post unless two different sources had verified it and there’d been all this kind of exquisite reassurances that it’s all true … people have opinions but they don’t have any facts, they make up facts to suit their opinions and then before you know it, a lot of other people take that as gospel…”

    What value you attribute to his claim about the historical accuracy of those 3 newspapers will depend on
    how you view the credibility of a Zionist Jew like Bleich bolstering the
    reputations for accuracy of these 3 Zionist Jewish controlled newspapers ie: the NYT by the Sulzberger family, the Washinton Post by the Graham family & the Wall St journal
    by the Bancroft family.

    In my experience only the Sulzbergers have shown credible balance in
    reporting on Israel only since the assasination of Israeli PM Rabin
    by ultro orthodox zealots in 1996. The below table illustrates just how an
    ethnic group representing less than 2% of the US population, has put itself in a position of dominating US domerstic coverage of Israel up until the rise of the internet early this century

    US Media Ownership Neocons/ Zionists January 2012

    Electronic Media Controlling Interest
    ABC TV Disney Corporation (Zionists)
    NBC/MSNBC General Electric (Military Industrial Complex leader - MIC)
    CBS Zionists (the CEO Les Moonves is Ben Gurion’s nephew) while the Chairman Summer Redstone is an avowed far right Zionist
    Fox News Corporation is a dedicated neocons network, whose upper management is dominated by far right AIPAC-affiliated Zionists
    Print
    Wall St Journal News Corporation (sold to KRM by the far right Zionist Jewish Bancroft family).
    Washington Post owned by the Zionist Jewish family: the Grahams
    New York Times owned by the Jewish Zionists Sulzberger family

    Bleich has no credibility even before he opens his mouth.

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