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Get Fact: is Australia ‘going it alone’ on pricing carbon?

Yesterday, chief climate commissioner Tim Flannery said Australians were being duped by “lies” propagated by opponents of government action on climate change.

We’ve been misled here in Australia,” Flannery told AAP. He was referring in part to claims that “the world isn’t acting”, and perhaps had in mind the Coalition’s consistent line over the last year that Australia was “going it alone” on a carbon tax and an emissions trading scheme.

Flannery’s Climate Change Commission’s report, The Critical Decade: International Action on Climate Change, was released yesterday and estimates that by next year, 33 countries and 18 sub-national jurisdictions will have a carbon price in place.

These schemes could be expected to cover around 850 million people, around 30% of the global economy and around 20% of global emissions,” the report states. Twelve per cent of the world’s population will live in regions with a carbon price, including around 250 million urban Chinese.

So how does this compare to the stance by Opposition Leader Tony Abbott on climate change policy? Here’s what he’s on the record as saying on June 21 this year:

The Prime Minister should be waking up to herself and waking up to the fact that the rest of the world is not taking decisive action by way of carbon taxes or emissions trading schemes. Sure, lots of other countries are doing the sorts of things to help the environment that the Coalition is recommending — they’re taking direct action — but they are not putting in place economy wide carbon taxes or emissions trading schemes …” [emphasis added].

Crikey has decided to put this comment to the test as part of our GetFact series, where we subject prominent claims to a truth test.

Just to confirm Abbott’s stance, on July 8, he was at it again, telling Barrie Cassidy on Insiders that “the world is running away from an emissions trading scheme at a million miles an hour. It’s been obvious since Copenhagen that we’re not moving toward these things, we’re moving away from them.”

Cassidy pressed him on that. Was Abbott sure international ETS’s were off the agenda? “As I said, all the signs, whether it’s America, Canada, whether it’s the rest of the big economies, there are no signs that any of them are embracing a carbon tax or an economy-wide emissions trading scheme.”

The Coalition’s speaking notes, leaked to Crikey last month, state that “it was clear from the recent Durban Climate Change Conference that the rest of the world, including the United States, Canada, India, China and Japan, is not adopting a broad based Carbon Tax model.”

So what are the facts?

The Climate Change Commission’s report found that all developed countries have pledged some kind of action on climate change, and cited last year’s Productivity Commission study of emissions reduction policies in nine countries that identified more than “1000 general ’policies’ in the United States, around 235 in Australia, 130 in Germany, 100 in the United Kingdom, 80 in China, 70 each in the Republic of Korea and India, 65 in Japan, and 30 in New Zealand.”

Japan has emissions trading in Tokyo and Saitama (comprising 20 million people), and South Africa will introduce a carbon tax in 2013. In Canada, Quebec and British Columbia have carbon taxes on certain products, Alberta introduced emissions trading in 2006 and Quebec will follow in 2013. Finland, Norway Sweden, Switzerland, Ireland, China and India have tax arrangements on carbon or resources. The 27 countries in the European Union are subject to an emissions trading schemes, as are Norway, Iceland, Switzerland and New Zealand. The US State of California has an emissions trading scheme due to start next year.

But as Bernard Keane noted yesterday, while carbon pricing existed or was planned at a national or sub-national level in China, the US, the EU, Russia, India and Japan, all had some kind of renewable energy target, all had energy efficiency regulation and most had vehicle emission standards — the precise kind of “direct action” championed by Abbott.

On the other hand, some of the significance of ‘action’ was overstated in the Climate Commission report  — for example, New Zealand has dragged its heels expanding its trading scheme and the EU’s scheme is struggling with record low prices.

And the solidity of UNFCCC international pacts remain dubious. According to last year’s Garnaut review, “89 developed and developing countries, representing more than 80 per cent of global emissions and about 90 per cent of the global economy, have pledged large cuts and actions” under that year’s Cancun Agreements. At the Durban UNFCCC summit, 195 countries, including the US, China, Japan and India, agreed to negotiate a new international deal by 2015 with “legal force” to reduce emissions, taking effect from 2020. But the Durban Platform could also be interpreted as an agreement to continue talking. India famously held out for the language to be watered down — to “legal force” from “legally bound”.

There are some facts that are not disputed. The Climate Commission notes that Australia is the world’s 15th largest emitter, and the biggest polluter per person. The Coalition has proposed a $3.2 billion plan to meet Abbott’s commitment to reduce carbon emissions by 5% by 2020, without carbon pricing.

We therefore rate Abbott’s statement that the ALP is “going it alone” on pricing carbon as “mostly rubbish”.

*Any omissions or stuff-ups? What other claims and spin from across the news agenda should Crikey examine as part of Get Fact? Drop us a line with your suggestions …

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  • 1
    Jeepers
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    I can’t fault your reasoning, but I’m nevertheless deeply disturbed that the Fib-o-matic in the picture at the bottom seems to have a scale that goes from MOSTLY RUBBISH to MOSTLY RUBBISH.
    Or from M to H I guess?

  • 2
    drovers cat
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    The easiest way to count nations doing something about cc is to check if they have a conservative govt. If they do, no amount of weasel words will hide the fact they will do nothing - including the so-called laughable ‘direct action’.

  • 3
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    I think Abbott is changing his criticism to alleging that Australia’s carbon price is the highest in the world, which seems to have more substance if one ignores the government’s subsidies.

    Aotearoa New Zealand has a conservative government yet it has an emissions trading scheme.

  • 4
    sharman
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    What the “flat earth society” also leaves out is that Australians are one of the biggest carbon emitters (polluters) on a per head of population basis.

  • 5
    Suzanne Blake
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    Flannery has been exposed for what he is, with his colourful cards on the card table outside a inner city coffee shop. He was exposed with his revelation on Sydney Dam, which he said would be empty by 2009, costing NSW Billions in a de-sal plant.

    The Dam has overflowed twice this year and the de-sal plant is rusting, switched OFF.

    Maeanshile Flannery collects his cash for comment income from the Government and live in a waterfront house at Copa Point on the Hawkesbury.

  • 6
    Duncan Farrow
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    SB - have you got anything besides “Look over there!!!?!!” ?

  • 7
    rossco
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    I would like to know whether Abbott and his cronies know that they are telling porkies and just don’t care or are they just really ignorant?

  • 8
    Jimmy
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    SB - So are you saying that because Flannery was wrong once and lives on the Hawkesbury all theses countries aren’t actually doing anything about climate change?

    I am surprised this report was even necessary any one with a computer can find a large number of countries with a price on carbon in seconds.

  • 9
    Owen Gary
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    SB = S**#y B**#H

  • 10
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    I suspect that the Coalition believes that it is exaggerating and that ‘exaggeration’ is acceptable in politics.

    There are, of course, numerous examples of Labor’s exaggeration. The most recent prominent example is Gillard turning Abbott’s correct but irrelevant observation that public schools get more public funding than private schools into a claim that Abbott plans to cut government school funding.

  • 11
    Gocomsys
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    Is Abbott right? The answer is NO!
    Abbott’s is almost NEVER right. Why evenask the question? Who cares what these types have to say? Ergo: No need for this article or a silly Fib-O-Matic.
    The worst thing of all is the ridiculous MSM “gotcha” culture! Underwhelming to say the least!

  • 12
    Coaltopia
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    And news from The Times of India today:

    Plan panel seeks to rewrite India’s climate change stance
    “It has made a pitch for opening the country to a cap-and-trade business in emissions - something that has been strictly off the charts for the country in its international stance.”

  • 13
    Gocomsys
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    When I formulated my response I asked myself, how long will it take before the Cr*key trolls commence the expected “Flannery attack”. No surprise, the intellectually undernourished SB dummy responded first.

  • 14
    2dogs
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 2:56 pm | Permalink

    Wow just typed into google: “tim flannery 2009 sydney dam empty”

    And what do I get? Page after page of Andrew Bolt. Such a well researched, articulate, well respected mind Blake. This is what he said in context:

    The cities need drought-proofing by, for example, installing water tanks in all dwellings that can accept them. Because in affected areas the decline in river flow is three times that in rainfall, water tanks that use roofs as catchments are now far more effective than dams for supplying drinking water in cities such as Sydney and Brisbane. Recycling can help too. This needs new investment and in some instances will require state government water monopolies to be broken up. It will cost more, but the benefits in terms of water security and recapture of nutrients in solid wastes are immense.

    Desalination plants can provide insurance against drought. In Adelaide, Sydney and Brisbane, water supplies are so low they need desalinated water urgently, possibly in as little as 18 months. Of course, these plants should be supplied by zero-carbon power sources.”

    Entertaining how you want to skip the first paragraph to take the second paragraph out of context.
    So I guess my question to you, oh faithful flying monkey, is, given the context of Flannery’s statement, do you feel that our cities need drought proofing?

  • 15
    Ronson Dalby
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 2:56 pm | Permalink

    SB,

    This has been the driest August in NSW since 1995. Due to last summer’s constant rain and the fuel buildup in the bush, we are probably heading into a very dry and dangerous, firewise, summer this year.

    This dry weather, now that an El Nino period is back again, is likely to continue for some years bringing drought once again. We might be very glad to have that desal plant.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-12/formidable-el-nino-system-to-form-in-spring/4066796

  • 16
    Ronson Dalby
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    SB,

    This has been the driest August in NSW since 1995. Due to last summer’s constant rain and the fuel buildup in the bush, we are probably heading into a very dry and dangerous, firewise, summer this year.

    This dry weather, now that an El Nino period is back again, is likely to continue for some years bringing drought once again. We might be very glad to have that desal plant.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-12/formidable-el-nino-system-to-form-in-spring/4066796

  • 17
    Gocomsys
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    RE: TROLLS: The Politics of Trolling and the Negative Space of the Internet! Unfortunately this site is particularly infested.
    The way the articles are constructed and the subject matters covered seem to attract the undesirables. For peace of mind it’s time to leave and get well written and researched opinions elsewhere. Fruitful discussions have become rare on Cr*key!
    Further info on “trolling” read: (copy/paste)
    fibreculturejournal.org/cfp-special-issue-for-the-fibreculture-journal-the-politics-of-trolling-and-the-negative-space-of-the-internet/

  • 18
    dazza
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    Coalitions constant line of ‘we are going alone’. Just another BS line from the Aussie tea-party mutters. Consider this, Australia may soon have these professional liars in office with the help of vested interests like the Institute of Public Affairs and of course the News Ltd. Why is the Murdock press allowed to get away with spreading propaganda without facts is beyond a joke.

  • 19
    Scott
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know about “Mostly rubbish”. Depends on how you look it.
    Every ETS/Carbon tax system is unique. If you narrow it down to country level (removes state based and regional level schemes that share the emission burden between countries/move production around economic zones), and focus on currently operating schemes (removes the “pie in the sky” influence) that target energy (in switzerland, energy production is exempt), it starts looking pretty lonely.
    Maybe “Yes and No” is a better term.

  • 20
    Steve777
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 4:37 pm | Permalink

    Judging by the conclusions reached in the article, the indicator on the Fibomatic should be over towards the far right.

    Of course the Opposition and its supporters are banking on the truism that a lie, repeated often enough, especially if it’s not challenged, becomes the accepted wisdom. But a simple Google search would indicate that Australia is 20 years to late to be the first to price carbon, that it is just one of many jurisdictions that are pricing carbon or are planning to do so, and that our carbon price is by no means the highest. Opposition spokespeople claiming otherwise are either ignorant or lying.

  • 21
    Arty
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    If there is an analogy here it might be comparison with the Tour de France.

    At the start of the Tour de Climate Change, most of the big country teams were in the line up, but when the race started most of those big teams decided to save themselves for the finish.

    However, our Cadell Gillard decided on an early attack at stage 11, and here we are out in front of the rest of the pack. Is this a winning position? Have we gone too early?

  • 22
    dazza
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    http://www.thepoliticalsword.com/post/2012/02/19/Tony-Abbott-we-are-sick-of-your-lies.aspx
    Great article about Abbott lies, to add to my last post.

  • 23
    Patriot
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    The Climate Change Commission’s report found that all developed countries have pledged some kind of action on climate change…

    When extreme religious preachers, doomsayers and other fringe-dwelling loonies come to my front door I pledge to read the booklets they’re offering…later. It’s dishonest, but it’s the quickest way to get rid of them without offending them. Andrew crook, you are green. And I don’t mean you care about the environment.

  • 24
    Bellaa
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    estimates that by next year, 33 countries and 18 sub-national jurisdictions will have a carbon price in place.”

    It’s not an estimate, it’s a fact. And it’s not next year - there are 33 countries that have a carbon price in place today.
    The 27 countries of the EU (incl. Spain, France, Italy, Austria, UK, Netherlands etc) all have separately legislated emissions trading schemes (that are linked together under the one system) - also Switzerland, NZ, Liechtenstein, Norway, Iceland and Australia. These are all operating today. Australia’s is the most recent. Some of those countries ALSO have carbon taxes (on top of the ETS), including the UK, Denmark, Ireland and Sweden. Other countries have smaller scale taxes - like India has a tax on coal and Costa Rica has a tax on fossil fuels.

    Finland introduced the world’s first carbon tax in 1990 - and somehow Australia is “leading the world” or “going it alone”?? I know we seem to think we are the centre of the universe, but it’s kind of embarrassing to say it out loud - and be SO wrong.

  • 25
    James K
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

    Patriot - when I read your words I actually initially thought of Mr Abbott’s promises to do direct action to fight carbon emissions. all talk and no action. I will do something,… later.

    Then I remembered who you are and of course, you are bagging anything NON-Liberal. I get it.

    You are wrong of course: you ignoring the overall point of the article. That is that many countries are joining the fight…. but I realise you cant admit that… so you will find any sentence that is able to be criticised and that way you can ignore the main point. I get it.

    But you are, and will continue to be, just plain wrong.

  • 26
    Hamis Hill
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 8:29 pm | Permalink

    Do Australians still pay that $30 tax for flying into Europe now that we have a pricing scheme as well?

  • 27
    Hamis Hill
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

    Do Australians still pay that $30 tax for flying into Europe now that we have a anti carbon pricing scheme as well?

  • 28
    Hamis Hill
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    Your comment is awaiting moderation

  • 29
    Hamis Hill
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

    Your comments are awaiting moderation

  • 30
    Hamis Hill
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 8:35 pm | Permalink

    Multiple comments awaiting moderation

  • 31
    Hamis Hill
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 8:35 pm | Permalink

    Many mild comments awaiting moderation

  • 32
    Hamis Hill
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 8:36 pm | Permalink

    Inoffensive comments are awaiting moderation

  • 33
    Hamis Hill
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

    Why?

  • 34
    James K
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    I hate it when it happens to me too Hamis…. and it seems to happen a lot. do we use the wrong words or phrases that trigger something?

  • 35
    Hamis Hill
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    Incomprehensible moderation criteria very annoying

  • 36
    Hamis Hill
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 8:39 pm | Permalink

    Constant comments on incomprehensible moderation criteria very boring.

  • 37
    Hamis Hill
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    Almost as offensive as having inoffensive comments moderated.

  • 38
    Hamis Hill
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

    Very disruptive of debate.

  • 39
    Hamis Hill
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

    Got a problem there Crikey?

  • 40
    Hamis Hill
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 8:42 pm | Permalink

    A problem with your moderation?

  • 41
    Patriot
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 8:43 pm | Permalink

    You cant say Iie or anything with that string, nor any similar words eg. carbon tax Iie, Gillard Iied, Iying Gillard, Gillard the Iiar. All of those are not allowed. Oh, wait…

  • 42
    eric
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 9:01 pm | Permalink

    Great to see Leigh Sales get stuck into phoney Tony tonight on the 7.30 Report.

    On that performance alone he should’t be OP leader let alone PM.

    He was as bad as Ive have ever seem him squirming and trying not to answer very relevent questions put to him.

  • 43
    geomac62
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    eric
    I agree with your comment regarding Abbotts inability to answer questions . When the usual ploy of giving a non answer didn,t work and Sales repeated the question he looked inept . When he couldn,t even formulate what is the question he claimed the PM must answer he became an embarrassment . Two or three times Sales asked what is the question and three times he flummoxed about . Bet he wished it was Chris Uhlman doing the interview instead of Leigh .

  • 44
    Liz45
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    @ERIC & GEOMAC62 - Wasn’t Leigh great tonight, and on a couple of occasions I thought Abbott was going to do his famous ‘freeze’ number, where he just looks at the person and says nothing! Now that would’ve been something to see! Remember when he made that really gross comment about people being killed in Afghanistan, and he said while on a visit there, ‘shit happens’? He was confronted over that and he just stared at the bloke for a very long time. He’s walked out of press conferences too! Just leaves!

    @SB - For your information, Flannery doesn’t just talk the talk, he also walks the walk. His house is totally self reliant. He has solar panels for all his electrical needs, provides his own water and/or recycles it - has the whole set up apparently, water tanks and all! Your next point is???

  • 45
    Patriot
    Posted Wednesday, 22 August 2012 at 11:48 pm | Permalink

    Tim Flannery:

    I think that, within this century, the concept of the strong Gaia will actually become physically manifest.”

    Once that occurs, then the Gaia of the ancient Greeks really will exist. This planet, this Gaia, will have acquired a brain and a nervous system.

    ”..just over the past decade, Gaia is on the threshold of acquiring a brain. The Kyoto Protocol was a first, failed attempt by Gaia to regulate its conditions. Gaia now has a consciousness. Just as we have a consciousness.”

    This man is a dangerous fruit-loop who should be in a padded cell, not living off our largesse and preaching his bizarre eco-lunacy.

  • 46
    Patriot
    Posted Thursday, 23 August 2012 at 12:28 am | Permalink

    Guess we really shouldn’t be surprised by the appointment of a loony Gaia worshipper like Flannery to preach the warmist faith to us. Julia Gillard in The Greening of the Red.

    “Mechanisms which have been proposed for value change range from enhancement of ‘green’ education to revival of those religions which respect Nature.

  • 47
    TheFamousEccles
    Posted Thursday, 23 August 2012 at 5:53 am | Permalink

    I’m sure that Mr Rabbot’s efforts on 7.30 will be displayed as furtfher evidence of massive bias @ the ABC.

  • 48
    Posted Thursday, 23 August 2012 at 6:46 am | Permalink

    Crikey’s moderation guidelines state: ‘If you wish to complain about our comment moderation, please don’t do it in the comments. You’re welcome to email us with any feedback’ and give the address boss at crikey dot com dot au.

  • 49
    Hamis Hill
    Posted Thursday, 23 August 2012 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    Do Australians still have to pay that $30 tax for flying into Europe now that we have an anti-carbon pricing scheme as well?

  • 50
    Hamis Hill
    Posted Thursday, 23 August 2012 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    Gavin, you’re not very convincing.
    Same inoffensive comment on European carbon tax, let through moderation above, now awaiting moderation. All posters have an interest in this.

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