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Can Labor win? Yes it can

The Labor Party’s chances of pulling off a come-from-behind win at next year’s election took a big step forward yesterday with two expert panel reports, both of which would have been in line with the old dictum of “never have an inquiry unless you know the answer first”.

One deals with the problem of mobile capital, the other deals with the problem of mobile people. Both were hurting Labor, and both have been neutralised.

Separately the government is also reported to be planning to scrap the $15 a tonne floor price on carbon emissions trading from 2015 and replace it with a link to the European ETS, where permits are currently selling for less than $10.

Can the ALP really win? Definitely. The main problems remain the morale of the ALP itself, and Julia Gillard’s lack of public authenticity, stemming partly from the broken promise on carbon tax and her opposition to gay marriage and partly from her robotic style.

Against that, the economy is travelling very well indeed and the Coalition has a very big looming problem funding handouts without the taxes (carbon tax and mining tax) that go with them. The hole is said to be $70 billion, which will have to come from spending cuts or other taxes.

Gillard and Wayne Swan believe that if they neutralise boats and company tax as issues, then the $70 billion hole will sink Tony Abbott.

Also, they hope the carbon tax will be less of an issue because a growing number of emitting companies are already making a profit out of it. That’s because the compensation for trade-exposed firms is fixed for five years based on old industry averages; many are now emitting much less greenhouse gas and are ahead on the deal. They will squawk if Abbott repeals it.

What’s more, Abbott won’t be able to repeal it before 2015 because of the need for another election to do it, by which time companies may be buying cheap European permits.

That leaves boat people and company tax.

The review of asylum seeker policy led by Angus Houston has provided cover for the re-opening of the Nauru processing centre, no doubt as intended. It ensures that new legislation for offshore processing will pass parliament with Coalition support.

Opposition leader Tony Abbott would have read yesterday’s Houston Report with a sinking feeling: it means “Stop The Boats” will now not be an election issue no matter how much he claims credit for it.

The Nauru/Malaysia impasse was hurting Labor the most because policy failures are always, rightly, blamed on the government of the day; the Coalition was being rewarded for intransigence.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard had to find a way to cave and Houston has provided it, as both sides of politics would have known he would. No one will remember that it was the Coalition’s policy that stopped the boats, only that government legislation re-established offshore processing, thus removing asylum seekers from the Australian legal system.

It also helps distance the ALP from its damaging partnership with the Greens, who are sticking with their opposition to offshore processing.

Meanwhile mobile capital may been neutralised as an issue by the Business Tax Working Group, led by Chris Jordon, which has dusted off the old roadmap for Australia to join the global contest for capital through lower company tax rates, by removing a lot of depreciation allowances.

The fact is that a company tax rate is easy for foreign CEOs to understand while depreciation is complicated and opaque.

The intellectual argument for reducing targeted depreciation allowances to pay for a general cut in the company tax rate includes the idea that it would even things up between tangible and intangible assets. As yesterday’s report says: “The working group is also mindful of the growing importance of intangible assets in the generation of corporate profit. Intangible assets include brands, intellectual property, customer lists, internal processes, and copyrights which are often the result of investments such as R&D and marketing.”

Anyway, by suggesting that a company tax rate cut be financed by slicing depreciation and R&D allowances, Chris Jordan’s group has turned the debate from one between the government and business to one within business — basically between miners and the rest.

Thank you Chris. Thank you Angus. Now for some acting lessons.

*This article was originally published at Business Spectator

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  • 1
    IC-1101
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 9:39 am | Permalink

    Is this a joke…?

    Opposition leader Tony Abbott would have read yesterday’s Houston Report with a sinking feeling: it means “Stop The Boats” will now not be an election issue no matter how much he claims credit for it.”

    What a pathetic, grubby rhetoric. Crikey is losing me by the day. The attacks on Abbott and the Coalition are relentless, while you always find ways to praise and hype the ALP. For an outlet so passionately in favour of the media inquiry, you’d think there’d be a little more balance and fairness in your arguments.

  • 2
    Suzanne Blake
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    Crickey cannot continue to have a stiff upper lip and support this Gillard corr upt dishonest shambles.

    It must be absolutely toxic in Caucus. They will have Gillard clean out the garbage, take the fall and hope a ‘white knight’ can save them.

    Who will take the hospital pass. Crean is my tip

  • 3
    John64
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 10:07 am | Permalink

    That’s because the compensation for trade-exposed firms is fixed for five years based on old industry averages; many are now emitting much less greenhouse gas and are ahead on the deal. They will squawk if Abbott repeals it.”

    Abbott’s probably banking on it. Let’s face it, companies making millions of dollars out of taxpayer subsidies that Abbott wants to revoke - won’t make Abbott look bad.

    No one will remember that it was the Coalition’s policy that stopped the boats”

    People will remember, much like they’ll remember Gillard promising not to introduce the Carbon Tax. People will remember that it took Labor 5 years to finally re-instate the Pacific solution that they abolished in the first place. Here’s a public exercise you can try: Find a random stranger and say “Nauru”. Now see if they remember -> John Howard, Liberal Party.

    Thanks to Labor’s constant talking about it, it’s firmly fixed in people’s minds that Labor was against it. “It wouldn’t work” and every day it does, you’ll have Scott Morrison crowing about it.

    Plus we’ve already seen footage in the media of Gillard railing against Nauru back in 2003. Once again, it’s something that makes her look like a flake (which is how it was protrayed incidentally) - promise one thing, deliver the opposite.

    We now have a Government that introduced a Carbon Tax it didn’t want to (because of the Greens) and an Asylum Seeker policy it said wouldn’t work (because of the Liberals, sorry I mean “expert panel”)… They don’t appear to be in control.

  • 4
    John64
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    Oh and I forgot to add… Everyone in the Labor party will be pissed that Gillard’s about to re-instate one of the Liberal party’s key policies. Those on the left in Kevin’s camp who wanted to go softly-softly will hate it, and those on the right who just hate everything Liberal will hate it.

  • 5
    Patriot
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    Backflipping, Iying Gillard will never be forgiven by voters for her backflips and Iies. She is unelectable. It’s just that simple.

  • 6
    Billy Blogs
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    @IC-1101
    This is Crikey and our ABC at their very best. Alan Kohler is but another ALPBC cheer leader dearly hoping that a putrid govt can find a way to con another term out of us.
    Gillard’s rein is about to end. She’s going to be forever known as the single worst PM our country has ever seen…..yet around here and on the ABC you’d be forgiven for thinking she has saved us.

    Between her and Rudd they’ve cost us billions of dollars and hundreds of lives. The reason we have new GBNT is because they have zero ability with money. And what we’re seeing with the economic management is but the tip of the berg.

    Like former labor state’s, the reality takes a loooong time to reveal itself.

    There is nothing that Labor, the greens or the ABC can do to stop this mob being tossed out on their sorry arses.

  • 7
    Sancho
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    Tony who?

    Are we talking about the amateur triathlete who pops up occasionally to talk about virginity and try to get birth control outlawed?

    The Liberal Party seems keen to keep him out of the media, so he must be a liability.

  • 8
    Gocomsys
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    This is not a competition. It is not a game. It is not about winning or loosing. Simply a matter of reasonable progressive “achievable” policies versus regressive party political short sighted and purely power driven motives cheered on by the usual vested interests.
    My Crikey renewal is due shortly. These days I get better and more balanced information from other sources, like this one: (please copy and paste)

    http://www.theconversation.edu.au/houston-panel-ignores-the-evidence-on-asylum-seekers-8815

    It is always annoying to be constantly reminded by some brainless posters how misinformed and ignorant the general public has become.

  • 9
    Suzanne Blake
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    @ Billy Blogs

    Here Here.

    About time we got more sane people on Crickey, cause its 98% loony Greens and ALP rusted on right now.

  • 10
    Mr Denmore
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    You know the Libs are worried, because their paid trolls on forums like these are sounding increasingly histrionic. Goodnight Tony.

  • 11
    Gocomsys
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    This is not a competition. It is not a game. It is not about winning or loosing. Simply a matter of reasonable progressive “achievable” policies versus regressive party political short sighted and purely power driven motives cheered on by the usual vested interests.
    My Crikey renewal is due shortly. These days I get better and more balanced information from other sources, like this one: (please copy and paste)

    theconversation.edu.au/houston-panel-ignores-the-evidence-on-asylum-seekers-8815

    It is always annoying to be constantly reminded by some brainless posters how misinformed and ignorant the general public has become.

    Another reason not to renew my subscription is the ridiculous post censorship!

  • 12
    Karen
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    @ SB - you are positively seething - spitting chips - LOL.

    Clearly, dishonesty and corruption don’t bother you, otherwise you would be voting Labor. Everything that comes out of Abbott’s mouth, whether its the impact of the carbon tax, the economy which is going great guns, the latest l * es from Abbott about what even the Houston report says about Malaysia in particular, is a big fat l *ie.

    Apart from which, you haven’t produced a scintilla of evidence to say where the government has been dishonest, much less corrupt. And don’t bang on about the carbon tax because Gillard was always honest in saying she was going to price carbon, which she did before the election. I don’t think I have come across a more rigid, conservative, one-eyed, concrete thinker, ever.

  • 13
    WTF
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    And against the same unpalatable reality, the same mob touted exactly the same idealistic sentiments less than a year ago in Queensland about Anna .. whateva her name was.
    Good luck with your predictions!

  • 14
    Billy Blogs
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    @Suzanne Blake
    I used to read Crikey quite a bit, but their constant desperate attempts to put a shine on a turd chased me away. I decided this morning to have another look to see if it were possible to find a positive from Labor’s latest disaster and, voila, as expected it was front and centre - first cab off the rank.

    I’ll be back again next time there’s another ALP destroying scandal - because as sure as night follows day, it won’t be far away.

  • 15
    Suzanne Blake
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    @ Billy Blogs

    Please don’t leave its lonely here…….

    Wall to Wall ALP, Green staffers, spin merchants, blinkered loonies.

  • 16
    karldoh
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 10:38 am | Permalink

    The sloganeers are out in force today. Personally I don’t think the government has been all that bad, and I’m talking about its legislative record, not the impressions of talkback callers.

    The carbon tax and asylum seeker policies John64 raises are good examples: they are not in control by definition, this is minority government.

    Gillard is no more a backflipper nor a liar than Howard was, and at least her lies didn’t lead us to any disastrous foreign wars.

  • 17
    Thorn
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 10:38 am | Permalink

    Houston’s Report was entirely predictable, and has highlighted the gap between the mainstream Australian political consensus on refugees and the Convention that established the concept of asylum. I understand the reasons why Labor has adopted the reports findings, and while I applaud their attempt to establish a real deterrent to seeking asylum by sending people arriving by boats to Malaysia; it is sad to see that a situation that represents such a tiny problem for Australia being instrumental in defining what kind of a people we are.

    I can see no reason at all why sending people to Nauru or PNG will affect the numbers of people willing to come here by boat. They will virtually all end up here anyway, and they know that - so why should this make them not attempt the journey? If the no-advantage thing is applied then we will end up supporting them on Nauru for as long as they would have spent waiting to be cleared to come here from Indonesia, and that will be years and years. If I was a refugee in Indonesia I would make the trip, get sent to Nauru and have all my needs met by the Australian Government for as long as it takes - it would sure beat having to scratch out a meagre survival in some slum in Indonesia. The no family reunion clause would be a nuisance rather than deterrent as well, and I don’t see how that could be carried forward for years anyway. Turning back the boats, while technically possible, is dependent upon the cooperation of the people on the boats and as this is entirely improbable this is patently no deterrent at all – and that is leaving aside the fact that Indonesia won’t accept them anyway.

    There is no reason why Labor couldn’t win the next election, especially with this issue defused, and as long as the Liberals stick with Abbott. He is such an obvious incompetent that he is the single biggest threat to Liberal victory next time. Electing Abbott would be the equivalent of electing Palin in the USA, and even the Yanks are not that stupid.

  • 18
    Edward James
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 10:38 am | Permalink

    The next most important ballot is local councils in NSW on September the 8. I hope Labor and their supporters will be put at the bottom on every ballot paper! Labor members have refused for years to clean out their garbage, so it is up to the voters to do that job for them! Edward James

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    karldoh
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    Wall to Wall ALP, Green staffers, spin merchants, blinkered loonies.”

    I think we all know which one of these you are SB.

  • 20
    Patriot
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    Gillard Iie: “There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead”.

  • 21
    Karen
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 10:49 am | Permalink

    Good piece Alan Kohler. Tells it like it is, unfortunately. Yes, it neutralises the asylum seeker issue for Labor to some extent, which was only ever a political issue pushed by the Libs and the MSN. Its a tragedy that JG felt so pushed by polls that she had no option but to pursue this course. What does it say about the public? But let there be no mistake that the Houston policy, in and of itself, is absolutely appalling.

    It is inhumane and punitive. The cost to the economy will be astronomical (it will cost billions over the forward estimates), not only in terms of off-shore accommodation, slow claims processing, and the attendant appalling deprivations and mental illness, which the Australian tax-payer will have to pay for. Frankly, the cost is morally and economically unsustainable.

    The cost is better absorbed with the no detention, on-shore processing model. Why? Asylum seekers will have better outcomes in Australia because they will be processed humanely and more quickly (thereby reducing the risks of illness). The consequences are obvious. They will be better able to establish themselves in businesses and the job market, which most immigrants do, thereby adding to society and the economy.

    On the other hand, you take broken people from an off-shore island, these people will end up on the mainland for the Australian to support for the rest of their lives. I wouldn’t be surprised, if such people or their families launch massive class actions against the government for maltreatment and mental illness that have rendered their lives unproductive and useless. We are just cutting off our noses to spite our faces on this issue. Hopeless.

  • 22
    Billy Blogs
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    @Suzanne Blake
    Ha, come with me. It’s better on the other side. The sun shines and the grass is green.

  • 23
    jennatilz mckrackin
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    Im sure crikey are quaking in their boots at threats of cancelling subscriptions by sycophantic trolls on a 30 day free trial.

  • 24
    Karen
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    @ Patriot - its not a tax, its a price signal within a carbon trading system that Gillard and Abbott supported, before Abbott sniffed the political winds and changed his mind. So, no lie.

  • 25
    Suzanne Blake
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    @ Billy Blogs

    What are the options?

  • 26
    Karen
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    @ SB - the only ‘blinkered loony’ is you.

  • 27
    Patriot
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 11:01 am | Permalink

    Gillard: “That works effectively like a tax

    Gillard: “We’re going to get there via a temporary carbon tax

    Enough of this, but. Off to work for me.

  • 28
    Billy Blogs
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    @jennatilz mckrackin
    You pay for this shit?

  • 29
    Karen
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    @ Patriot - yes, the price signal does work like a tax, initially, but then you build the rest of the trading system around it and it becomes a price. So, no lie. Mull on that, on your way to work.

  • 30
    Patriot
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    It is a carbon tax and she admitted it. See above.

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    jennatilz mckrackin
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    Run along Billy, if you want mindless partisan dribble, news ltd sites are for you.

  • 32
    Billy Blogs
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    @ jennatilz mckrackin I will - But let me leave you with this - Left wing extremism is just as dangerous as right wing extremism. One day you will have a Twilight Zone moment and realise that there is no difference between you and Tea Party members at the other end of the spectrum.
    By the time the ALP get this it will be far too late. While I’m not a massive supporter of Abbott, the first step is to get rid of the socialists. Then we can look at a more stable centrist govt. Toodaloo.

  • 33
    Thorn
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    This business of Labor Lies is just bizarre! Howard ‘lied’ so often that he had to invent the core and non core promise idea to cover for his dishonesty - and he lied because he just lied. Gillard made a promise based upon her party winning the election - and she did not win. The consequent policies were all part of the negotiation to form government, as was required after the election.

    The simple minded people that do not understand this should take the time to think.

  • 34
    drmick
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    Looks like the mad hatter and the rest of the local Tea Party are a little upset when some facts are introduced into the mix. Good.
    You know what they say, if you don’t like it here , you can always go back to where you came from.

  • 35
    freshly cut grass
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    So let me get this straight? Labor has an increased chance of being re-elected, because they are now pursuing and will implement policies that the Libs / Nats have been arguing for. And on the flipside, if an Abbot Govt does get elected, they won’t really have an opportunity to repeal th Carbon tax.

    What a fantastic outcome for the people. We have both major parties, offering very little in terms of difference. We are all the losers here.

    Arguing over any significant difference between these parties is a waste of time. They are both a joke, and the framing of the political ‘debate’ only distracts us from the elephant in the room - we are being duded by a two party dictatorship.

  • 36
    geomac62
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    Lonely SB ? You seem to have a few mates posting here today . Trouble is after the first read I realise its a repeat of what your mob has always been saying . Pointless inane slogans and venom with one exception being the risible comment about bias from 1C or is that 10cc . Whyalla is still on the map , doesn,t that make rabbit a L I A R ? After all the PM said she would put a price on carbon before the election yet she is accused of being the same as the rabbit because he calls it a tax . So the ” levy ” on business for paternity leave is really a tax to pay for well paid mothers who haven,t the nous to budget for a newborn . Well thats inequality isn,t it ? Pay one mother 10k because she is a cleaner but pay another 75k because has snagged a well paid job yet lacks the intellect to put away some money for a birth . Still thats the rabbit for you , thinks poll ies are underpaid yet constantly proves the opposite every time he opens his mouth . Hockey saying largesse must end and the rabbit saying it is endless while Robb says very little but wants to be shadow treasurer . Morrison says nothing of consequence but bile regularly emits from his mouth , almost as repulsive as Mirabella and Bernardi .
    Lonely SB ? Nah you will always have your pen pals and pseudonyms on Crikey . Even the malignant Bush had his cronies , the rodent too so you will have company , paid or otherwise .

  • 37
    IC-1101
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    @Thorn

    People do think. No one brought up John Howard. Whenever someone has something negative to say about Gillard, ALP or Greens: “But, HURR DURR, JOHN HOWARD!”

    Who gives a shit about John Howard? Do you people realise that you can be against one thing, without necessarily being in favour of the other?

    It’s like, God forbid you be a fiscal conservative, but still be in favour of gay marriage. To ALP and Greens supporters, unless you support those political parties, it automatically means you’re an evil capitalist conservative… *sigh* There’s many a Coalition voter that leans that way for reasons other than what you might imagine. You’d be surprised how many gay LNP voters there are, for example. You’re the one being so closed-minded.

    @JENNATILZ MCKRACKIN

    You miss the point.

    Crikey is well within its right to publish stuff like this. It can be a spokesperson for the ALP and Greens if it wishes. But don’t be trying to set a moral benchmark about media performance when you contribute the same unbalanced, unfair political commentary as News Ltd outlets. What, because Crikey is decisively pro-ALP, pro-Greens, that makes it the “better” outlet? Why?

    If Crikey wants to cry about how unfair the mainstream media is, it might want to look at how unbalanced and left-leaning its own coverage is. It’s fine to be like that, but don’t be criticising others for doing the same thing, just because they disagree. That is EXACTLY what Crikey does.

    It’s as if Crikey thinks it knows best, so therefore it has the capacity to critique those that disagree. It’s exactly what is meant when some suggest the media inquiry compromised free speech.

    Anyway, back to the article…

    Julia Gillard has done an OK job…for those that lean to the left. People fail to understand that those on the right just don’t appreciate her fiscal achievements, much in the same way the left would never appreciate Coalition fiscal achievements. No one is perfect. Gillard will not win the next election. A better article might be to look at how the ALP can improve on its current positioning, and earn more seats than what is predicted.

    But to suggest she can win? Absolute garbage, and it dilutes any worth Crikey’s political opinion had.

    Can we please get an article tomorrow discussing why Gillard CAN’T win the next election? Wouldn’t that be the fair coverage Crikey so often cries out for?

    (PS. I don’t mean to seem so full of malice, it’s just that I am frustrated at how aggressively this outlet has critiqued mainstream outlets, when it seems to be just as guilty of the things it criticises so heavily).

  • 38
    geomac62
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    There are still vids of Abbott extolling the virtue of a carbon tax as the most efficient way to abate carbon emissions on youtube , not hard to find . What does that make him ? To me it makes him consistent because he consistently backtracks on what he has said , written or otherwise . Of course others would be less generous and make the accusations that are leveled at the PM but strangely the ones making those accusations wont do it to the rabbit . Thats another constant , repeat the slogans and never apply the same conditions to the rabbit as to others of another stripe .

  • 39
    Suzanne Blake
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    @ geomac62

    You better book a seat in the public gallery in Canberra, so you can see the finals weeks of Gillard on the front chair. Last photo op for you.

    If Pickering doesn’t get her, the Caucus will

  • 40
    Suzanne Blake
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    @Gocomsys

    These days I get better and more balanced information from other sources, like this one: (please copy and paste)

    http://www.theconversation.edu.au/houston-panel-ignores-the-evidence-on-asylum-seekers-8815

    Why don’t you just stick with Green - Left News where Liz, Marilyn and Karen read?

  • 41
    Suzanne Blake
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    @Gocomsys

    These days I get better and more balanced information from other sources, like this one: (please copy and paste)

    Why don’t you just stick with Green - Left News where Liz, Marilyn and Karen read?

  • 42
    gikku
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    Labor was elected in 2007 partly on a platform to restore decency, and to close Nauru processing.
    In 2012 an inquiry recommends reopening Nauru, and a return to the indecent past.
    Shame Labor Shame.

  • 43
    geomac62
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    SB
    Thank you for validating my point about repeating . Whats this make it ? 50th or 200th time you have predicted demise of the PM . That crystal ball needs an update or maybe its past its use by date . Abbott looked like he was eating one of those sandwiches with unpleasant filling this morning . Strange reaction to having most of what he has been banging on about vindicated by the panel . Maybe dismissing the panel before it had handed down its report was hasty or just stupid .

  • 44
    geomac62
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    The old saying : Even a broken clock gets the time right twice a day .
    I agree with some who find the off shore policy appalling but thats the situation in Australia today . A lot of people selfish , scared but not really knowing why yet living comfortably . I saw a post on FB about a Halal maccas and one comment said its not our country anymore . WTF ! Has that dill ever looked at the KFC etc all over the place . So kosher is ok but halal is not yet both are prepared in exactly the same way or is it there are no kosher maccas ? When we have a foreign base on our soil and we are not a defeated nation after a war ( germany , japan ) then its not our cou ntry anymore perhaps . A client state perhaps ?

  • 45
    Mr Denmore
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    I’m not sure why Suzanne Blake and her other Liberal Party call centre ring-ins get so irate about Crikey when they have cheerleaders in the AFR, The Australian, the News Ltd tabloids, talkback radio, commercial television and most of the ABC.

    Clearly, unanimity of thought is what they are seeking, which seems rather contrary to their supposed ‘liberal’ philosophy.

    I have never seen such a duplicitous, cynical and destructive politician as Abbott. If he were on the other side of politics, he would be condemned by the right-wing press as a loony populist. Yet, he gets a free pass because of the colours he’s playing in. If ever there was proof of the partisanship of the Australian media, this is it.

  • 46
    Suzanne Blake
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    @Mr Denmore

    Fairfax is left wing, hence the rapid decline in reading

    ABC is 101% extreme left wing.

    News is right wing

    talkback radio reflect peoples views across electorate.

    I enjoy being in one of the most marginal seats in Australia and ensuring as many people as I can speak to never vote for Labor / Greens again. Its an easy job at the moment.

  • 47
    Ronson Dalby
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    Pastor Gillard left-wing? You’re kidding. The puppet speaks to those who pull her strings.

    Julia Gillard keynote speaker at the ACL National Conference.”

    acl.org.au/2012/08/acl-national-conference-2012

  • 48
    geomac62
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    I enjoy being in one of the most marginal seats in Australia and ensuring as many people as I can speak to never vote for Labor / Greens again. Its an easy job at the moment.
    SB always has a clear path to walk in as everyone crosses the street to avoid being bailed up . Nobody walking the street wants to yabber on about politics except SB and EJ . The climate , the bargains , the footy , the garfen or just a polite nod or wave . Troll universe is like Sim city but not as real .

  • 49
    Bill Williams
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    John Howard and Julia Gillard as Prime Ministers share one quality: political opportunism. Howard, however was much smarter about judging the direction and strength of political winds.

    Alan, you, like most neo-liberal economists, should stick to explaining what has already happened…..that way your statements and assertions, (especially when combined with the “acting skills” which you advise Chris Jordan and Angus Houston to develop) can make it all sound as correct as a Maths professor who knows the right formula to obtain the answer to a challenging problem. Trying to see the future is much more difficult, no matter how often you remind us that you “told us so” on some short term time horizon prediction we forgot you made.

    Everybody else in Australia knows that Gillard has less chance of winning the next election than being invited to front INXS…..even if a female diva like Tina Arena might be a good idea to freshen up their song list without trying to sound like Michael Hutchence. [Sorry…..blame the rock metaphors on Wayne Swan!]

    In fact, Gillard will be very lucky to be even leading the Labor Party at the next election.

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    geomac62
    Posted Tuesday, 14 August 2012 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    I find it curious that the Houston article yesterday attracted no right wing types . The Ashby article got the same brush off yet Kohler , no rabid socialist , comments on a possible Labor win and careful you don,t get bowled over in the rush to pan the article by the usual suspects . I,m having a good day which means low humidity or just enjoying the shrill of the trolls . Ashby acolytes , silent ones .

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