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Nuclear drumbeat grows as US eyes Australia

Australian policymakers could not be getting a clearer picture of what our US ally expects of us. Nuclear weapons and joint military bases aimed at containing our largest trading partner will, sooner or later, be put in our backyard — and we’ll be expected to pay for the privilege.

The Center for Strategic and International Studies report making headlines over a proposal to establish a US base in Perth to host nuclear-powered aircraft carriers and manned and unmanned ISR (intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance) drones is but the first report commissioned by this Congress. The second — as revealed by Crikey in May —  will focus on positioning nuclear force in the Pacific.

Defence Minister Stephen Smith’s denials overnight were revealed as word trickery by the comments of the US Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Plans Robert Scher in Congressional hearings early this morning, who pointed out that “no US bases” really means they expect Australia and other allies to share the costs of hosting large numbers of American troops at these so-called “shared facilities”:

We are now engaged in discussions with Australians about what that would look like, what kinds of facilities would we be using within Australia. To be clear, we are not looking to establish a US base in Australia or anywhere outside US territory. We are looking to share facilities as we have in Australia for a number years under the overall approach of shared knowledge and concurrence.

We do not know the full extent of our requirements or what Australia has to offer for what we are looking to do. So it’s premature to talk about cost sharing, because we honestly do not know the measure of cost. We are very close, we expect to have developments between now and the AUSMIN consultative talks in November. We would have a better idea of costs then and we would obviously be cost sharing with Australia.”

This is not a new idea, although it is perhaps unsettling given the historical context. The US has extracted ongoing payment from the losing nations in World War II for the privilege of hosting US military bases. In April it was announced Japan would pay US$3.1 billion in cash to have most of the US marines stationed in Okinawa removed to Marine Air-Ground Task Forces in Guam and Darwin. In an earlier era we may even have called it colonisation.

It is also important to note that none of these negotiations have been shared with the Australian public. Indeed, any substantive negotiations have been largely denied when raised directly by Australian journalists during ministerial visits to Washington.

The report’s authors don’t anticipate any resistance in Australia, citing Lowy Institute polling, aside from “non-mainstream anti-Americanism prevalent among some elite circles”. But CSIS senior advisor Dr Michael Green had one note of caution when testifying before Congress this morning:

We have to be careful not to ask for access or commitments where the answer will be no. Because if the answer is no, we lose influence and the ability to shape the environment.”

If the idea of several populated “floating city” aircraft carriers and the word “base” scared the horses in Perth, then both the US and Australian governments should start preparing now for the reaction when next year’s report to Congress proposes nuclear weapons on the soil of a near neighbour, if not on our own.

The Obama administration has opposed any redeployment of nuclear weapons to the Asia Pacific, but the idea has found solid support with the Republican majority in Congress. Since taking control of the House, the GOP has dropped most of the previous grudges like the Don’t Ask Don’t Tell gay ban or Afghanistan troop numbers in favour of a substantial rethink of US military positioning and deterrents against ideological enemies.

The Tea Party ascendancy in the party hasn’t diminished the influence of the Defense Hawks either; indeed they’re often one and the same, like Republican Allen West, who makes Senator John McCain appear almost dove-ish. Or Republican Trent Franks, who argued the nuclear-arming proposal would be welcomed:

It just asks if our alliances would be strengthened with the use of nuclear weapons in the region. If China is concerned about our presence in the region it is very simple, they can stop supporting North Korea and get tough on the Kim Jong-un administration.”

Congressional Republicans upon taking control of the House even named their military policy newsletter “The Drumbeat”.

The Republican House has commissioned several studies effectively showing they have the backing of much of the Military-Industrial complex and are ready to implement this new approach when they next win the White House. It may not matter who the Republican candidate is when that happens.

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  • 1
    Posted Thursday, 2 August 2012 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    The writer should not use the obviously sexist ‘manned and unmanned ISR (intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance) drones’. A vehicle may be unpiloted, pilotless or unstaffed.

    My dictionary defines a drone as a ‘a pilotless radio-controlled aircraft’ so I don’t see how one can have a pilotted drone.

  • 2
    lindsayb
    Posted Thursday, 2 August 2012 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    I am sure that if we don’t protest too much, we will not be subject to “regime change with extreme prejudice” raining down from above like the poor unfortunates in central america, south america, central asia, south asia, the middle east and so on.
    Some, who in an earlier age may have been called traitors might even do well out of such an arrangement. As Kent Brockman once said “And I for one welcome our new insect overlords. I’d like to remind them that as a trusted TV personality, I could be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their underground sugar caves”

  • 3
    Owen Gary
    Posted Thursday, 2 August 2012 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    Wonderful, the US will soon be able to perpetrate wars in other countries from Australian soil as well.

    The NWO is slowly but surely putting it’s pieces in place.

    *1st a raft of new surveillance laws being foisted on Joe public.
    *2nd the world police (US) arrive on our shores all in the cause of our mutual friendship with the US, I wonder who has juristiction over who?

    Our mutual friends who place tariffs on our agricultural produce, but we freely import theirs. Both major parties have sold out the people of this country time and time again. Then again we are probably viewed by the US congress as the 51st state of America anyway. Given the amount of US investment & financial control in this country it’s not hard to see why they are trying to pull us away from the Westminster system into a much more democratic system like their congress has!!

    Still the people sleep….

  • 4
    Posted Thursday, 2 August 2012 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    China doesn’t want to invade Australia, but apparently the U.S. does. :(

  • 5
    81dvl
    Posted Thursday, 2 August 2012 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    Darwin not enough? Perth is a fair drive from the Pacific - does this mean they want the Atlantic as well? Why don’t they ask the Kiwis (we all know what the answer would be, because they still have a pair.)

    GlobaliZation, ‘free’ trade, Julian Assange, David Hicks, Vietnam….. We haven’t gotten out from the empire’s skirts and we are crawling straight up the US arse? If we do this, we are the pussies they take us for.

    Look…no….straight answer, no - you can’t.

    No maybes, thats it.

  • 6
    muruk
    Posted Thursday, 2 August 2012 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    It is 46 years since Australia went “All the way with LBJ”. All the way to Viet Nam, Iraq and Afghanistan. Apart from death and injury there was no reward from any of these wars, not from the result or from the USA. It is time to let go our ties to the most war-loving nation on earth. We should be building relationships with countries in our own half of the world rather than those that are about as far away as possible.

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    Col Campey
    Posted Thursday, 2 August 2012 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    This is perhaps the best reason yet for us to have a non-partisan government. See

    colflower.blogspot.com.au

  • 8
    Sharkie
    Posted Thursday, 2 August 2012 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    since our foreign policy is more or less determined by washington, I want to vote in the US elections. Now do I support Obama or the Republican Party which is controlled by big business/big military and cheered on by the lunatics in the tea party?

  • 9
    geomac62
    Posted Thursday, 2 August 2012 at 4:38 pm | Permalink

    What better way to create a ” situation ” than by having a naval base to counter the threat that the initial permit of a base started . Why not Indonesia or Thailand which must be closer to the perceived threat that isn,t actually articulated . SB can have a blank avatar signifying the white flag of surrender . The softening up process has begun , first Darwin and now feelers for public reaction regarding Perth . Aussie aussie aussie woot woot woot with the arm punching the air like those yank tv shows . Apparently the 6 billion a year we lose with our free trade agreement with the yanks doesn,t pay for our protection so we need to cough up more than bodies and funds in Afghanistan . Maybe we should contact Israel and ask how they manage to get 5 billion a year or more out of cash strapped USA ? They have been getting it since 48 and I,d hardly call Israel a third world country . They even have their own nukes , hundreds of them . Maybe thats where we went wrong , being allies in all the wars . We may as well have been a defeated nation because thats what victors do to the vanquished , station bases on their soil to let them know who rules the roost . They don,t even have to face the law of the land that house their bases . Can,t have those pesky foreigners putting US troops in their courts . Better to let the US look after its own , like Mai Lai . Calley gets 2 years or so for mass slaughter , so what ? Some marines get a few years for raping an Okinawa schoolgirl . Hey ! she was nearly 13 you know , give me a break . Raise the white flag , poor fellow my country .

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    geomac62
    Posted Thursday, 2 August 2012 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    What better way to create a ” situation ” than by having a naval base to counter the threat that the initial permit of a base started . Why not Indonesia or Thailand which must be closer to the perceived threat that isn,t actually articulated . SB can have a blank avatar signifying the white flag of surrender . The softening up process has begun , first Darwin and now feelers for public reaction regarding Perth . Aussie aussie aussie woot woot woot with the arm punching the air like those yank tv shows . Apparently the 6 billion a year we lose with our free trade agreement with the yanks doesn,t pay for our protection so we need to cough up more than bodies and funds in Afghanistan . Maybe we should contact Israel and ask how they manage to get 5 billion a year or more out of cash strapped USA ? They have been getting it since 48 and I,d hardly call Israel a third world country . They even have their own nukes , hundreds of them . Maybe thats where we went wrong , being alli es in all the wars . We may as well have been a defeated nation because thats what victors do to the vanquished , station bases on their soil to let them know who rules the roost . They don,t even have to face the law of the land that house their bases . Can,t have those pesky foreigners putting US troops in their courts . Better to let the US look after its own , like Mai Lai . Calley gets 2 years or so for mass slaughter , so what ? Some marines get a few years for raping an Okinawa schoolgirl . Hey ! she was nearly 13 you know , give me a break . Raise the white flag , poor fellow my country .

  • 11
    Mark from Melbourne
    Posted Thursday, 2 August 2012 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    support from the Industrial/Military complex - now why does that ring a bell…oh that’s right, pretty much all significant conflicts last century…and probably the one before that…

  • 12
    Gerry Hatrick, OAP
    Posted Thursday, 2 August 2012 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

    So are we admitting now that think-tanks run everything? Or are we going to ignore a bunch of single-focussed ideologues?

    Oh, I see.

  • 13
    Frank Campbell
    Posted Thursday, 2 August 2012 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    If the Lowy Institute thinks that resistance to toxic and expensive US bases is limited to “non-mainstream anti-Americanism prevalent among some elite circles”, they are patronising fools.

  • 14
    Gocomsys
    Posted Thursday, 2 August 2012 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    We are still a “colony” with colonial attitudes and mentality to match. We accept another nations “hereditary” monarch as our head of state and their national emblem on our flag. We are an ignorant insular lot. If a “progressive” government finds it difficult to change these facts what does everyone expect a “regressive” LNP government to do? We are so brainwashed that we do not even recognise the imminent danger we are facing were we to slide back into the doldrums of the Bush, Howard and Blair era! Political amnesia is rampant. Wake up dummies!

  • 15
    Gary Johnson
    Posted Thursday, 2 August 2012 at 5:51 pm | Permalink

    Glue.

    Even remembering that U S foreign policy is just the military arm of this many headed hydra and hidden cabal of international bankers known as the Illum anati. Their philosophy is pure Sabbatean Ideology to conquer the world through various ruses and set up their World Govt with Jeru salem as their capital and seat of power. I kid you not, their plan is to mimick their version of a “2nd coming ” and declare their “elected one ” the saviour of the world. Their reign will last for 7 years, with the first 3 1/2 years running quite smooth until the beginning of the last 31/2 years which will precede a time known as the Days of Tears.

    Their plan is also to usher in a new financial system based on the abolition of existing debt and the issuing of credits based on the their assumption of what you are worth. Sounds attractive?…get ready.

    I seem to remember a certain poster here about a year ago who said that Cockburn Sound in WA was being dredged. His view was that it was being dredged to accommodate U S aircraft carriers. The official view is it was needed to give bigger cargo ships greater access, which also may be partly true.

    I read this morning that the WA premier, Colin Barnett, says it won’t happen. Stephen Smith’s comment was very worrying. He seemed to leave the door very open.

  • 16
    Gocomsys
    Posted Thursday, 2 August 2012 at 6:16 pm | Permalink

    I read this morning that the WA premier, Colin Barnett, says it won’t happen. Stephen Smith’s

    comment was very worrying. He seemed to leave the door very open.

    Who do we believe? Colin Barnett? I don’t think so!

  • 17
    Greg Jones
    Posted Thursday, 2 August 2012 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    This is not a political issue in the context of Left or Right. It does n’t matter who is in power and i could n’t care who said what. If the good ship America wants it, it’s a done deal. I am apolitical in knowing that both sides are controlled by the same entity and democracy as we have it is the tool of financial tyrants.

    Please don’t try and make this a Left or Right issue, Gocomsys.

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    zut alors
    Posted Thursday, 2 August 2012 at 6:30 pm | Permalink

    Ah, here we go…Darwin was just a warm-up, now for the main act. Rather than make us safer Oz will be a prime target for enemies of the Yanks (and there are more than a few).

    Another GFC, bigger and more dire than 2007, would clean out their already depleted coffers and curtail more military spending. Nothing else will save us, Oz politicians hanker be Yankee bvm-boys.

    Frankly, I hope Gore Vidal proves right in his predictions that the empire goes broke and crumbles.

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    Jackson Harding
    Posted Thursday, 2 August 2012 at 6:34 pm | Permalink

    There is a very specific name for a manned drone. It is called an airplane and the man (person) manning it is called “the pilot”

    But instead calling it an airplane let’s use the big bad boogy man word of the moment and call it a drone, because “drone” sounds so much more evil and robotic. The meeja has creeped up the idea that somehow using a drone to launch a weapon against your target is so much more evil nasty and underhanded than using an airplane plus pilot to launch the same weapon at the same target. Seems the latte left insist that we are sporting about it and when we go onto the battlefield it is only sporting that we go ourselves and not use technology to prevent the death of the pilot. Piffle, if the pilot is safe half a world away so much the better.

  • 20
    Greg Jones
    Posted Thursday, 2 August 2012 at 6:59 pm | Permalink

    …Frankly, I hope Gore Vidal proves right in his predictions that the empire goes broke and crumbles…”

    He is no orphan in predicting America’s demise, but from here it gets very complex because when the replacement in the power vacuum eventually shows it’s face, is when the game really begins. As the whole world cheers on and opens their arms to a great and splended New Thing….it’s the fire into the frying pan, or as some would say, Check Mate! Too long and beyond the scope of the topic at hand.

  • 21
    Owen Gary
    Posted Thursday, 2 August 2012 at 7:57 pm | Permalink

    Not long to go now boys & girls, our “best friends” the U.S. moving pieces into final position via its puppet master the NWO financial cartel/dictatorship.
    A false flag event staged yet again to get all the pawns on board and nodding in unison.
    Mossad the original modern day terrorists ready & waiting to stage the next event & use the power of a worldwide facist media to heighten a panic in a sleeping world and the last set of final draconian legislation shall pass through the fake enclaves of power so fast that superman could catch them if he had a headstart.

    Me thinks a small nuclear device just for that hollywood effect to get the biggest bang for your TV veiwing.

    Any guesses for the target anyone???

  • 22
    Tim nash
    Posted Thursday, 2 August 2012 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    Should we not have the Roman legions on our doorstep?

    The citizens of this state still seem to need to reinforce their own identity, without acknowledging the legacy that Rome has given us.

    We share a common goal with Rome, we bathe in aths and aqueducts of their design. We have consuls and senators, hippodromes and gladiator fights. We enjoy Greek philosophy but have Roman sensibility. We look to Rome for social status and understanding.

    It is true to say there is no ill feeling from Rome towards our state, never once has Rome shown any bad will towards us.

    It seems eventually our little state may have to make quite a big decision, to stay loyal to a powerful and influential friend or to change our support and side with a new empire.

  • 23
    Andy Marlstrom
    Posted Thursday, 2 August 2012 at 8:26 pm | Permalink

    (It seems eventually our little state may have to make quite a big decision, to stay loyal to a powerful and influential friend or to change our support and side with a new empire.)

    Yes, the mother of all Catch 22’s, but there is a third option.

  • 24
    AR
    Posted Thursday, 2 August 2012 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

    timNASH - how apposite your comment given that I have just rewatched Robert Graves’ classic “I,Claudius”, as perfect an example of overwheening hubris & the onrushing nemesis as could be imagined in human garb.
    I think that it was Eden who suggested the Britain, post Empire, could/should be Greece to amerika’s Rome.
    Alas and alack, who knows history these dire, drear days?

  • 25
    Greg Jones
    Posted Thursday, 2 August 2012 at 9:09 pm | Permalink

    @Owen Gary

    …Me thinks a small nuclear device just for that hollywood effect to get the biggest bang for your TV veiwing. Any guesses for the target anyone???…”

    Bingo!..and then the endless 24/7 coverage by the mind-control facist media to maximize the effect deep into the cerebel cortex.

    The Olympics would be the obvious Intelligence Agency target 101, for it’s guaranteed international exposure, but there are others as well. It should be noted that many international dignitaries and heads of state are not attending the London Olympics and have no intentions of doing so. This is very unusual and I wonder why?

  • 26
    Andybob
    Posted Thursday, 2 August 2012 at 9:29 pm | Permalink

    Australia must find it’s security in Asia, not from Asia.

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    Gary Johnson
    Posted Thursday, 2 August 2012 at 9:40 pm | Permalink

    AR - The impression Tim Nash gave was one of drawing a metaphor and that would fair enough if that was his intention.

    A revived British Empire would be fair game as well. But what is guaranteed is a combination of European Aristocracy and Sabbatean Family money that will coax the world, after much tumult and tribulation, with a Grand Plan of deception that will end with feudalism and servitude as they control the world’s resources and assets.

    To plug into this new financial system will require a special coding and identification ensign of allegiance. I am interested in Andy Marlstrom’s third option.

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    Lisa
    Posted Thursday, 2 August 2012 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

    But what is guaranteed is a combination of European Aristocracy and Sabbatean Family money

    You know, I always thought that if they really wanted to find little ” Maddeline “…they should be looking in the castles of Europe and not the “red-herring” beaches and mountains of Portugal and Spain.

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    achimova1
    Posted Friday, 3 August 2012 at 12:55 am | Permalink

    This is a horror story! What are our politicians doing? A nuclear base, floating or otherwise, in Perth! How dare they be talking to the Americans without canvassing the Australian population! A pox on all your houses. No bases, no uranium mines, no disgusting kow-towing to other countries. In case these people haven’t noticed, we have children - lots of them - and we’ve had enough of being used as radiation experiments. We had that in the 50s and 60s from the UK, from France in the 70s and now the US wants to have a go. If the Australian government, of any persuasion, allows this to happen, they are reaping a terrible legacy for future generations. Wake up Australia, indeed. It is indeed time to became a nation.

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    CML
    Posted Friday, 3 August 2012 at 1:50 am | Permalink

    Still say give the yanks Cocos and Christmas Islands, and let them get on with it - they will establish a base up there somewhere anyway. Might as well be on these islands, since all they do is cause endless problems for us at present.
    That way, we relinquish all ownership of these territories, have NO US bases on Oz soil, gain the ability to fully control our northern borders again, and solve the “boat people” problem.
    It is all win-win for Australia!

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    Posted Friday, 3 August 2012 at 6:52 am | Permalink

    Altho I don’t drink latte, as a left winger I don’t find drones any more or less offensive than piloted aircraft. Apart from anything else, drones have several good civilian uses.

    I suspect THUMBNAIL IN TAR is correct in their comment on today’s Crikey editorial that what was probably meant was armed and unarmed drones. While that doesn’t ‘reassure’ THUMBNAIL IN TAR, I’m not so sure that in itself is an escalation of the US’ military presence in Australia, which has included armed navy vessels since at least WWII.

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    Liamj
    Posted Friday, 3 August 2012 at 8:30 am | Permalink

    The Lowy Institute is a treasonous embarrassment, every chickenhawk in it should be escorted onto a plane like the Petrov’s and deported. Their crawling to US & Israel made unpleasant sense when US was ascendant, but that was a different century and we’re still tied to their frankly insane and sinking ship.

    On different track, I notice that no-one is surprised about ‘progressive’ Obama continuing US imperialism, with more bases, >1000 robo-murders, arming ‘activists’/terrorists in Libya & Syria. Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, Obama, same violent greed, varying PR.

  • 33
    Harley Dennett
    Posted Friday, 3 August 2012 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    Gavin: “manned and unmanned” is a direct quote from the report, which is linked above, on page 75 and elsewhere. Nobody is disputing that’s what the report authors intended to say. Drone, yes, is colloquial, potentially misleading or wrong, yet surprisingly enduring.

  • 34
    Posted Friday, 3 August 2012 at 9:41 am | Permalink

    The fact that others make mistakes or use sexist or other offensive language doesn’t justify one repeating those mistakes or offences without correction.

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    Andy Marlstrom
    Posted Friday, 3 August 2012 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    But what is guaranteed is a combination of European Aristocracy and Sabbatean Family money that will coax the world

    Gary, surely you don’t mean Duan Carlos of Spain, Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands and that Danish git and his Aussie realestate sales-person wife, the British Royals..etc etc ?

    How can it be so? They are always on the front cover of all the Women’s mags and are admired and adored throughout all the world… Shiver Me Timbers!!!

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    Hamis Hill
    Posted Friday, 3 August 2012 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    Why WA?, China’s capacity to wage war depends upon Middle East oil.
    Which presently travels through the Indonesian Archipelago.
    So If China expands its Coal to Oil efforts will we all be off the war hook?

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    Owen Gary
    Posted Friday, 3 August 2012 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    @Greg Jones

    I also thought the olympics a possible target, but I am guessing later this year, whatever the target time is almost up, as they move into their next phase.

    The NWO & their decepticons have most convinced every other nation is a threat when in reality, we Joe public around the globe are the enemy of this deceptive cabal, and their ever evolving spin machine
    So long as we keep our eye on the ball & never lose sight of their goal, they ain’t fooling no one except those who live in denial & the rest who chose to hibernate their entire life. As Gary Johnson pointed out above this financial cabal will collapse the monetary system post (terrorist) event or events, which will bring a supposed economic saviour to our midst with a master plan. We will be sold the ruse of international economic harmony of a cashless system & to access it our (RFID) implants will quickly follow not just for monetary access but for our supposed safety from those psychological myths they spent decades creating for us.

    After this has all been achieved we are living in a permanent state of fear with distrust of our fellow man. Divide & Conquer has always been their weapon of choice to achieve this.

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    Hamis Hill
    Posted Friday, 3 August 2012 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    Owen Gary, until someone comes up with an alternate rationale for the mindlesness of the financial world then your judgement is the best we’ve got.
    But, are they really that clever? Ruthless, misanthropic, demented, yes, but intelligent?
    They hold most of the cards but how sharp are they really?

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    Gocomsys
    Posted Friday, 3 August 2012 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    GREG JONES Posted Thursday, 2 August 2012 at 6:29 pm

    Please don’t try and make this a Left or Right issue, Gocomsys.

    Agree, this is not a left and right issue.
    It is a matter of “relative” honesty!
    There is no such thing as absolute certainty, nes pas?

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    williams kenny
    Posted Friday, 3 August 2012 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

    Forget the medals Juliar…Bring our kids home… . Why should our young men and women be risking their lives in Afghanistan protecting the wealth of greedy mining barons. The richest people on earth, V The poorest people on earth. Terrorism in any form is wrong but we should be asking ourselves, Who ARE the real terrorists. Trillions of dollars in untapped mineral deposits in Afghanistan The ore deposits — including huge veins of iron, copper, cobalt, gold and critical industrial metals like lithium — are so big and include so many minerals that are essential to modern industry that Afghanistan could eventually be transformed into the most important mining center in the world,.. PLUS, Rare volcanic rocks in the rugged, dangerous desert of southern Afghanistan has world-class concentrations of rare earth elements, the prized group of raw materials that are essential in the manufacture of many modern technologies, . http://www.trilogy-am.com/files/china_grip_rare_earth_metals.pdf

    File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
    12 Jul 2011 – Rare Earth 101 Five elements more valuable than gold. Free rare earth investor rpt. EnergyandCapital.com/Rare_Earth. Rare Earth Stocks …

    A lot of people don’t seem to have any idea why we’re fighting a war in Afghanistan. The answer is very simple—Resources: Afghanistan is an absolute ‘Aladdin’s Cave’ of mineral resources. spending $100-500+ billion to secure resources worth untold $ trillions, makes extremely good economic sense. It’s obvious why the US and UK Governments are prepared to invest all this money and soldier’s lives in the war. If the conflict with the Taliban can ever be stabilised, then the Afghans/We, can start to exploit their country’s vast resources, . THE AUSTRALIAN Parliament and justice system is now completely controlled (or soon will be) by the media and mining barons and democracy is dead in this country…Rare earth; 101 elements more valuable than gold… China’s Grip Tightens on Rare Earth Metals

  • 41
    williams kenny
    Posted Friday, 3 August 2012 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    Sorry bout the Juliar, Posted the above to menzies house and it got my foot in the door. They haven’t woke up yet

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    Greg Jones
    Posted Friday, 3 August 2012 at 5:24 pm | Permalink

    Owen- I know I am sticking my neck out here, but you really do have a handle on this… very impressive indeed. So I better not say anything about my petitions on your behalf..oops, I just did. I was n’t kidding about the crystal dome.

    The RFID’s are a prime candidate, but there is also tattoo type technology advancement as well that can’t be ruled out. There is also facial and iris recognition ( on the right hand or on the forehead ) all worthy of consideration.

    You are right about their time-phase chronology, only the ones at the very top know this and in conjunction with their elite Intelligence Agencies usher in each piece one bit at a time. But the word is, they are getting anxious and want to hurry it up. I would posit much more serious and escalated action than we have seen to date, long before 2020, and that would leave 2013 looking very ominous if you would believe Gary Johnson with his 7 years. Either way all the signs are there just waiting for fruition.

    The other thing is, they also squabble amongst each other over many different issues and it is believed this is responsible for delays.

    @ Gocomsys

    ( There is no such thing as absolute certainty, nes pas? )

    Yes and No.

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    Owen Gary
    Posted Friday, 3 August 2012 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    Greg,

    For some reason unknown to me, they seem to be following the timelines of either the Mayans or the Bible or both. Either way it’s the objective thats important.

    Hamis,

    Those at the top may not necessarily be clever but rather psychopaths as aptly describes the Neo-Right, However with that kind of wealth buys well organised think-tanks, it was these think-tanks that gave rise to the Corporate’s and in particularly “Corporate Law” post WW2. From that time on they have almost full control of the worlds finances & IMF. Governments strings in all countries are pulled by this cabal.

    The other part to this equation is food control & its legislations (i.e.) S510 in America, the C-36 in Canada and the 160-2 recently passed in NZ of all places. These all come under the protocol of “Codex Alimentarius” & this is one reason we eat “such healthful foods” via Monsanto’s round up ready GM crops or better known as “Frankenfoods” like soy which is an endocrine disruptor. Check all your foods breads or anything processed and see how many products you can find without this toxic GM bean in it’s many forms.

    This is a bit leftfield but there are those who propose that they are connected with aliens & want to bring the global population down to bellow billion. I don’t know but I wouldn’t discount anything and keep an open mind given the organisation & the events that have come to pass in the last 3 decades. Is it a coincidence that the cancer rate is now 50% since the release of GM??
    There are other contributing factors like the environment etc but recently the big Pharmas used their muscle to put the herbal industry out of business in Europe last year.

    Things have been well organised in the last 30 years including 2 Major political parties in all countries that reflect the will of corporate enterprise and it’s draconian measures. You really need to read through “Codex Alimentarius” and it’s implications. All of the globalisation agenda through so called free trade etc.

    1 question rings out in my mind, are all of these events and measures a coincidence in a certain passage of time???

    Whats your thoughts?

  • 44
    Dion Giles
    Posted Friday, 3 August 2012 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    Following up on the comments by Gavin Moodie - yes it is tautological to refer to “unmanned” drones but it is not sexist, especially in quoting a report.

    The verb “to man” appears in many languages, only one or two of which also use the term “man” for a male person. It derives from “manus” meaning hand and appears also in the term manual.

    But etymology notwithstanding, use of the verb is sexist only if the meaning is intended or ergenrally taken to refer only to males when the reality is or should be gender-nonspecific.

    To take a columnist to task for not stopping in the middle of a narrative about drones in order to declare an issue with a quoted report is making a demand on the author which is arrogant. The linguistic agenda which Gavin Moode wishes to impose on the author - especially when pejorative in tone, etymologically dodgy and at odds with the language of the vast majority of the people – bespeaks arrogance.

  • 45
    Hamis Hill
    Posted Friday, 3 August 2012 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    But didn’t Lord Acton, say that absolute power corrupts absolutely?
    The biblical prophecy of the mark of the beast and it being used to exclude people from the market place could really just be a recognition that Adam Smith’s commercial society always wanted to fix the game, even in the market toewns of the ancient near east.
    The urge to put a price or number on everything as a means to acquiring ownership is reflected in the fate of Croesus, said to have invented money such that, in allusion, everything he touched gained a number, ie turned to gold, whereupon he touched his beloved daughter, who turned to gold, to his dismay.
    I would say that the culprits are dammed but do have the power to cause great destruction.
    Owen Gary, your message must become a modern myth, that is, an easily digested explanation of the forces at play that allows ordinary mortals to fathom the true nature of these would be gods and resist their nefarious plans.This will subvert their control of information.
    Remember it was Eisenhower, who also had inside knowledge, who said “beware the military industrial complex” hardly a raving conspiracy theorist. The much neglected study of history must be revived.
    Roman slavery required those afflicted to have no knowledge of their ancestors, hence the above neglect. All by way of an antidote.

  • 46
    Sailor
    Posted Friday, 3 August 2012 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    As Charlie Brown said, “Good Grief!”

    I don’t subscribe to Crikey to read buffoon crap like the comments on this story. At first, I thought it was irony, then I realised these people were serious. Cases for treatment, I mean. Not ironic, another word beginning with “i”.

    I could read the Murdoch papers for that drebbige, if I were simple-minded.

    What bloody “New World Order”?

    Codex Alimentarius” is a problem?
    I worked as a food technologist for half of my 40 year career, & IMHO the only problem with the Codex is that it is very slow to incorporate new knowledge. That’s stuff that actually has evidence behind it, a concept which seems foreign to many of the posters on this comments section.

    Evidence about some dramatic “NWO”? None presented.

    Insanity of the posters? Quite probable. Last time I read that sort of drivel it was in the Daily Terrograph, when they tried to indict Mohammed Haneef’s colleague as a confirmed terrorist with the “Enemy Within?” front page headline. As far as I know, there was never any apology for that lie. Plus the never-to-be-eclipsed story about how you’re doing it tough if you’re pulling in $150,000.

    As one of the self-funded retired, I said at the time that I wish I could score that sort of money after the gougers took half of my life-time’s savings during 2008.

    But I don’t reckon the “financial advisers” are part of any conspiracy. They’re just totally greedy and probably terminally stupid - like me, as one of their clients. I’ve learned better, & got a better adviser. I reckon the posters rabbiting on about “New World Order” should get some advice too. From a qualified professional.

  • 47
    Owen Gary
    Posted Saturday, 4 August 2012 at 1:58 am | Permalink

    @Sailor,

    If you spent 20 years as a food technologist, which for a start is an incorrect term, you would know that the nutritional value of GM produce is pretty minimal compared with organic. You would also know that they use the ecoli organism as the implanted gene which changes all normal properties of the plant. If you understand “Codex Alimentarius” you would also know people in the U.S. are locked up & intimidated for selling raw milk products & other organically grown food to other citizens. Also that Monsanto has bought up most of the worlds seed companies & put other farmers not using their products out of business with the help of government sanctions & tariffs.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNaYGI1IhR4&feature=relmfu

    That should give you some insight to the kinds of tactics employed.

    Of course Financial advisors are not part of any conspiracy just merely con-men, if you want that you need to progress much further up the food chain.

    As pointed out by Hamis the true value of money is an illusion because it has no tangiable value but rather our indoctrinated perception of it, if the crap hit the fan tomorrow what would it’s value be if food was in short supply?
    Money is simply a tool for control which it does quite well.

    If you don’t know what the NWO is by now your brain has truly been in hibernation for a long time & I wouldn’t even bother explaining it to you. but suffice to say I once also viewed the world in black & white, but these days I have come to understand how big the grey area actually is.

    Good luck with you financial ventures!

  • 48
    Hamis Hill
    Posted Saturday, 4 August 2012 at 9:21 am | Permalink

    Well hello? SAILOR, never heard of the First, Second and Third Reichs then?
    She’ll be roight , moight! No need to worry about buffoon crap like WWI and WWII then.
    It all sort of just happened like those totally greedy and terminally stupid financial advisers.
    Just popped up out of nowhere, no plans, no motives, no modus operandi of historic standing.
    Dwight Eisenhower did not, then, warn of the dangers of the military-industrial complex.
    Winston(Who?) Churchill did not warn of an “Age of Consequenses”, consequenses to what???
    All just “Buffoon Crap”.
    Hint, just keep your head firmly lodged in the “alimentarius” part of your codex and you won’t be able to read anything so disquieting as historical facts, and other posters will not have to put up with your whining paranoia about their supposed insanity.

  • 49
    Hamis Hill
    Posted Saturday, 4 August 2012 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    Adam Smith, in his Wealth of Nations article on the Expenses of the Sovereign for The Education of Youth had certain conclusions about ignoramuses.
    “… the gross ignorance and stupidity which, in a civilised society, seem so frequently to benumb the understandings of all the inferior ranks of people.
    A man without the proper use of the intellectual faculties of a man, is, if possible, more contemptible than even a coward, and seems to be mutilated and deformed in a still more essential part of the character of human nature.”
    A few paragraphs speculating upon the existence of a sinister “New World Order” is enough to provoke a mindless, ignorant rant about the sanity of the posters.
    Smith describes a coward as “a man incapable either of defending or revenging himself”.
    Those NWO types must be very tempted by all those worse than cowardly, benunbed understandings.
    A bit of self education is recommended since the state seems to have failed, try some history?

  • 50
    JG Downs
    Posted Saturday, 4 August 2012 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    Gary, Greg and others.

    …For some reason unknown to me, they seem to be following the timelines of either the Mayans or the Bible or both. Either way it’s the objective thats important…”

    The Mayan Calender is interesting, but I am convinced it is being used as a decoy. The Illumanites know the Biblical time-line better than we do, not only that, but they know the scriptures better than the most studied Theologist. They have to, the forces of the Sitra Achra, represented here on earth by the Illumanites feature very prominently in the Bible and they believe every word of it…can it be any more ironic?

    The trouble with Biblical time-lines is that you need a calendar.. and the trouble with that is how can you trust them to be accurate? When the Roman emperor Constantine made Christianity the state religion early in the 4th Century, we went from using the deadly accurate Solar/Lunar Hebrew calender, to a error-prone single solar one still in use today. I think it’s called the Julian calender.

    ” He will change the seasons and the times “

    Much like christianity, even with all it’s faults, Judaism has kept a reasonable track of time and fairly accurate position of where we are in the time scale. They are still using the Hebrew method going back to ancient times and is honest and reliable in this regard.

    In many Rabbinical circles, there is a stoic belief that we entered 7K year, 7,000 year in 1997. I admit it has been a hot-bed of debate, but many serious scholars I am familiar with are believing it.

    What lends support to this theory is the increased Illumanite activity around that period and onwards. They know it.

    The significance of this is that the Illumanites know their time is short, time is running out. The Cosmos is sucking itself back in, it’s winding and curling itself back-up…like a BLack Hole sucking everything in within a 10 billion mile radius.

    Life moves in cycles of 6’s and 7’s. Work for 6 days, rest on the 7th, work the land for 6 years and rest it on the 7th. The Jubilee = 7x7, ..6,000 years of creation…and so on.

    The God of the Illumanites is the God of this earth. They are freedom-fighters for the forces of the Sitra Achra who want to maintain the Cosmic system as it is…because in this system they are kings, but there is no place for them in the coming kingdom.

    I understand that the majority of people reading this are more than likely Athiest and evolutionists and I do not mean to offend. I only ask that you accept me in the same way I have accepted you. Agree to disagree and leave it at that.

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