Europeans verballed while IMF adopts the Gillard-Swan ‘lecture’
It was a European summer day in July 2002: John Howard strode into a meeting with German business leaders in Frankfurt, at the start of a two-week European trip and proceeded to … lecture them. After reciting how successful the Australian economy was and the benefits of reforms that Howard had either undertaken himself or supported in opposition, he told them “we don’t find very acceptable a situation where the level of subsidy to agriculture from the European Union is 35% of the total value of agricultural production.” Howard even told them to stop focusing on aid for developing countries.
“We’ve just had a meeting of the G8 in Canada and pleasingly one of the things that came out of that was a new commitment to economic development of assistance in Africa. Very worthwhile, very laudable, and something that Australia strongly supports. But can I gently but nonetheless relevantly make the point that removing trade subsidies is worth by degrees of three or four the total value of current foreign aid by the developed countries to the developing countries.”
Back home, there was nary a whisper about Howard haranguing foreigners. No criticisms from News Ltd columnists. No whingeing from the shadow Treasurer. Silence.
Scroll forward almost exactly a decade and Julia Gillard is copping plenty for writing a letter to G20 leaders about Europe and giving a speech in which she suggested business leaders consider what had happened in Australia.
“The Prime Minister and the Treasurer are taunting European leaders with a barrage of public statements,” shrilled Dennis Shanahan, accusing Gillard and Swan of having “no new ideas or solutions and only serves to build their own reputations for economic management at home.” Indeed, in a newspaper that is normally quick to attack Europe’s sclerotic economic management, the Europeans had found a doughty defender. “Europe won’t be ‘lectured’ by Julia Gillard, EC chief Jose Manuel Barroso has said” read the headline this morning from another article by Shanahan.
Joe Hockey joined in the attack yesterday, accusing Gillard of “lecturing the world” and issued another media release this morning declaring it “embarrassing”. Simon Benson in the Daily Telegraph, unsurprisingly, went further and claimed that Gillard had been “slapped down” by Barroso.
But if you read Shanahan’s article carefully, you’ll see the headline was plainly wrong. Barroso had not mentioned Gillard or anyone else in his comments about being lectured. In fact, a Canadian media outlet reported Barroso’s comments were directed at Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, whose tough talk has allegedly “irritated” the Europeans.
And apart from verballing Barroso, News Ltd and Hockey didn’t bother doing some basic research.
Gillard and Swan yesterday urged Europe to pursue financial services reforms for “a more integrated banking system” and aim for fiscal sustainability “in the medium term”, “while using all available scope to support growth and jobs in the short-term”, in particular by bringing forward infrastructure projects. They also urged Europe to undertake “structural reforms. These reforms include opening up competition in services and key product markets, encouraging flexible labour markets, and tax reforms and entitlement reforms that enhance productivity and improve incentives to work. Ultimately, structural reforms will have the most significant positive impact on lifting global growth and creating more employment opportunities.”
Gillard’s B20 speech covered the fiscal components of those recommendations. The “Australian way” she referred to was stimulus during the financial crisis and then return to surplus. This “lecture” isn’t new and nor is the Prime Minister the only one delivering it. Last week, Gillard issued a very similar statement with South Korean president Lee Myung-Bak that identified exactly the same strategies.
Overnight, the IMF issued a paper on Europe. What did it recommend? Structural reforms including “product and service market reforms, underlining the importance of tackling vested interests in sectors such as distribution and regulated professions. The North should focus on increasing labor participation and improve services efficiency, while the South urgently needs better functioning labor markets.”
All of which Gillard and Swan mention.
The IMF also said that while such reforms would work over the medium term, “these reforms need to be complemented to sufficiently boost growth in the short term; hence policymakers must supplement them with policies to promote demand, external in some cases, internal in others… The pro cyclicality of nominal fiscal targets during an economic downturn could be substituted with a focus on improving structural fiscal balances, where there is fiscal space.” Translated, that means don’t cut spending when you’re already in a recession. Oh, and the IMF recommended financial services reforms for “centralised regulation and supervision”.
In short, the Gillard-Swan “lecture” to Europe was exactly what the IMF delivered overnight as well. If Gillard needs to apologise, so does Christine Lagarde and Lee Myung-Bak. If Gillard has “no new ideas” then the presidents of the IMF and South Korea don’t either. And maybe not Stephen Harper, too.
As usual, that sort of detail got lost in the News Ltd rush to attack the government.
As the example of Howard from 2002 shows, there’s a fairly blatant double standard here. Liberal Prime Ministers are apparently allowed to lecture the rest of the world; Labor ones aren’t. And when Howard harangued German business leaders, the RBA cash rate was 5%, not 3.5%, inflation was over 3% not 1.6%, participation was a full two percentage points lower and unemployment 6.3%.
In fact, let’s be blunt — if a Liberal government had these sorts of economic figures, the nationalist tub-thumping from the media would be ceaseless. Instead it seems any suggestion that anyone could learn from the local economy is the height of presumption — even when the “lecture” is not merely endorsed but repeated by the IMF.










Quite clearly, Dennis Shanahan has been campaigning against the Gillard Government. He’s long stopped being a genuine political commentator. He is acting like a player. He should know the difference between commentary and editorialising, but alas, he doesn’t appear to.
The IMF can say what it likes as it is a world body that has skin the game (it has already provided funds to the European nations).
As for other leaders (Canadian, Korean or Australian), if there are economic messages to pass on, it should be done behind closed doors or at the Finance Minister summits, rather than grandstanding on what is a pretty sensitive issue for Europe and it’s citizens.
Pissing them off is not going to help anyone.
News Ltd is owned and operated by the “dodgy duo” Rupert and James. News Ltd employees have to please Rupert and Son. Dennis Shanahan did just that. Afterall, Dennis doesn’t want to be a casualty of the next downsizing. Hence the eloquent and plainly obvious double standard in reporting. Sky news is a strong player in double standard reporting as well.
Great article but I would go further, Howard would be being praised for the leading role Australia would supposedly be playing. It just show how low we have sunk when the PM get’s attacked for offering sound economic advice and Abbott get’s applauded for adopting the “expansionary austerity” approach (although his approach is hardly coherent enough to fall into one category) that is currently exacerbating the recession in Europe.
But this sort of bias is hardly new or restricted to one policy area, last night on Q&A Joe Hildebrand said the reason no one supported action on climate change was a failure of leadership in that Rudd had elevated it and then backed away, Gillard didn’t believe in it and the Greens wouldn’t negotiate. Regardless of the fact that the second 2 are false assertion the fact he apportioned no blame to the libs rolling Turnbull after negotiating an agreement or to Abbott for his relentless and misleading attacks are beyond belief.
When has truth or accuracy ever been a necessary condition for being employed at The Australian?
Scott - Who provides the money to the IMF? Isn’t it true that Australia recently increased the amount of funds available to the IMF to assist the EU (to much protestation from Hockey and co) so don’t we have skin in the game? Beyond that (as Gillard pointed out) not only do we trade with the EU, but our biggest trading partners export heavily to the EU meaning a EU recession leads to slower growth for the poepl who buy from us which leads to slower growth here meaning we have more skin in the game?
And given this is year 5 of the Greek recession and the EU don’t seem any closer to solving the problem is it really out of line to start telling them to pull their finger out?
As I said earlier Howard would of been praised as a leader and a statesman.
“In fact, let’s be blunt — if a Liberal government had these sorts of economic figures, the nationalist tub-thumping from the media would be ceaseless. Instead it seems any suggestion that anyone could learn from the local economy is the height of presumption — even when the “lecture” is not merely endorsed but repeated by the IMF.”
If there will be anything good to come out of an Abbott victory, the sight of the MM getting itself in a tangle trying to reverse their assessment of the Australian economy and then attribute it to the new government should be quite amusing.
Having said what I did in my previous post, Julia Gillard should just be pontificating about how lucky we are as a nation with our mineral wealth and our “almost” best friend nation China who buys all we dig out and send by sea… note: (our best friend will always be the good ol’ USA). Good luck plays a large part in our economic well being and I’m glad of that.
If Greece, Spain or the UK had our natural resources to send to China and we didn’t, it would be a different story; and we would be like the UK would be up that proverbial sh*t creek without a paddle. Julia Gillard would not be pontificating anything.
There is only one country that can truly point out their fiscal and economic achievements, and that is Germany, no vast mineral resources and yes even today Germany could lecture Australia on how to do fiscal responsibilty and economic well being. Let’s hope that one day China doesn’t suffer a serious downturn or take umbrage to our close alignment with the USA and say: ” China will over time will cut back on Australian imports by 50% and increase imports from other countries such as Brazil.
Great article.
As the example of Howard from 2002 shows, there’s a fairly blatant double standard here.
Well here is a double standard that the Lieberals would like left in the forgotten bin, what about when the rodent (Howard) took tax payers money out of general revenue , gave it to his brother to pay for his workers entitlements, for his failed business. There fore quashing any investigations into where to money went in the first place.
Surely it all boils down to the refusal of many to accept this Labor govt. as legitimate. Once you get stuck in that idea, it is only too easy to view everything undertaken by it through a hyper critical and cynical lens.
It is all so very obvious but how many people in the wider community are aware of these facts?
We live in interesting times. How for example will the media shift from print to online affect the quality of information available to the general public. Does it mean the electorate instead of being mostly misinformed just become uninformed? Wouldn’t it be nice if at least the publicly funded ABC and SBS provide news coverage in the public and national interest? Interesting days ahead indeed.
As so often, Keane misses the point. Of course leaders at these global conferences play to their domestic audience. And there was nothing startling in what Gillard said.
So why the fuss?
Simple. Gillard’s delivery. Neither Gillard nor Keane get it- Gillard is tone-deaf, delivers set-piece speeches in a truly awful drone, with emphasis placed on the wrong words. The average politician can manage natural, flowing cadences. Gillard can’t.
As usual, she came across as a semi-literate school-marm, lecturing the audience.
Albion - Very true - it doesn’t help when for the last 12 months all the commentators (including BK) have decided that the next election is already decided and Abbott is the next PM.
Gocomsys - Surprisingly the ABC were very good last night in reporting that Gillards comments were being echoed by many other countries. Unfortunately they are the minority, sunrise had the PM being called rude (although it turns out that comment came from an Australian business man at the B20 summit not a foreign leader as alluded to) and the rest of the MSM have a mixtre of Gillard offending with her lecture (about 80%) and being ignored (20%).
No one has actually covered the substance of what she said though, everyone is focused on the reaction.
Frank Campbell - how did Gillards “truly awful drone” come across in an open letter?!
And Howard wasn’t exactly a smooth talker!
And again you seem to focus on style of substance.
@FRANK CAMPBELL Posted Tuesday, 19 June 2012 at 2:44 pm
Simple answer to your usual drone.
Read ALBION HARRISON-NAISH Posted Tuesday, 19 June 2012 at 2:20 pm
Done! Bye!
“In fact, let’s be blunt — if a Liberal government had these sorts of economic figures, the nationalist tub-thumping from the media would be ceaseless.”
Well, of course it would be? Why would the pro-business media pat the back of a government implementing anti-business policy? I thought as a media commentator you’d be able to recognise this? Or are you just as blindly left as the News Ltd media is supposedly blindly right?
You’re just butthurt that your Prime Minister has gone to Europe and proclaimed to be the leader of super awesome Australia and received criticism for lecturing a conservative room on economic policy, just as she’s about to introduce a $23-a-tonne carbon pricing plan.
News Ltd will continue to hound the Labor Party while it continues its attacks on business and appeases unions. Just deal with it.
Oh dear, the Crikey comments seem to be trying to imitate the Telegraph’s and the Oz’s. Could we not try for some rational exchange of ideas and opinions instead of dismissive, blinkered putdowns please.
Good article.
The issue with Gillard lecturing Europe is that Australia started from a clean slate where it was not in debt. We were then put into debt to keep the whole show running. Fair comment. Unfortunately Europe is already buried under a garbage load of debt and spending is not an option as the only way to do this is to print money. Printing money will badly exacerbate the already bad problems and will lead to a total loss of faith and the collapse of paper money. Printing needs to be avoided at all costs. The problem is the apathy of the populations. Its a bit like trying to take away social security entitlements, public holidays, sick leave and long service leave in Australia. Try it watch the revolt begin. This is why people in Greece are revolting - they want the system to stay the same.
I was enthused to read that one media outlet in the land actually has noticed that the media is and always has been biased to the Liberal side of politics. Yes Labor is being attacked mercilessly for often very little whilst wrecking ball Abbott is let to do his dirty work and the Liberal Party has little if no scrutiny ever put on it. It may be unfair but then the Liberal Party and the media are owned by the same section of society, big business. So whose interests will it pursue? No awards for guessing that one. Thank you Crikey for acknowledging that which is so well hidden from the masses.
Ic-1101 - Hmmm Interesting comment but lets look at some facts and perhaps you could clear some things up;
1) The PM has gone to Mexico - that isn’t in Europe!
2) She is “lecturing” the EU which already has a price on Carbon
3) While the initial carbon price is $23 a tonne the number of free permits to trade exposed industries brings the actual price down to around $7
4) Exactly how is the carbon price “anti-business”?
5) What does the carbon price have to do with the EU crisis?
6) How does the carbon price impact on the medias ability to report in a balanced fashion the PM’s quite sensible comments regaidng the EU crisis?
Mick J - You are correct in regards to the relative starting point but Gillards comments still apply to even the most debt ridden country. In short she is saying yes you need austerity to remove what is a structural deficit, cut back on pensions increase the pension age even increase taxes but at the same time you can put in place some structural reform to the banking and financial sector and bring forward spending on major infrastructure proposals which will create jobs and growth because without jobs and growth the tax take will continue to shrink, welfare payments will continue to rise and more austerity measures will be needed which will drive the country further into recession.
Jimmy: the salient parts of her gauche “lecture” were repeatedly endlessly on TV news.
Come on Jimmy.
Why do you think world bodies like the IMF were created? It’s for their independance and third party dealing. And to avoid these types of blunt communications by politicians that can be misinterpreted as young upstarts making noise rather than honest council.
Sure, the world is getting smaller, and we are all linked in some way, but really, Australia lecturing Europe? When geographically, demographically and historically our countries (and economies) are extremely different and not that interlinked (apart from our historical/constitutional links to the UK). We turned to Asia and the US a long time ago (and the Europeans know this).
As to the skin in the game, we are far from the top contributor to the IMF. Let the other contributors who have a greater quota to the IMF say something..oh say the US, Japan, Germany, France, UK, China, Italy, Saudi Arabia, Canada, Russia, India, Netherlands, Brazil, Spain, Mexico and Korea.
Jimmy says: “And Howard wasn’t exactly a smooth talker!
And again you seem to focus on style (instead of) of substance.”
Interesting points. Howard’s delivery was a squeaky, cracked whine. At times he wheedled. You wouldn’t by a used Nixon from him. In set-piece mode he did somewhat better, but Winston he wasn’t, in spite of his middle name. More like Wayne Swan…
Style does matter. Subliminally, we expect fluency, cadence and gravitas from senior politicians. Howard, Swan, McMahon and Gillard are all duds on that count. Not necessarily fatal, but it costs them.
Looking at the Howard text quoted by Keane here:
“We’ve just had a meeting of the G8 in Canada and pleasingly one of the things that came out of that was a new commitment to economic development of assistance in Africa. Very worthwhile, very laudable, and something that Australia strongly supports. But can I gently but nonetheless relevantly make the point that removing trade subsidies is worth by degrees of three or four the total value of current foreign aid by the developed countries to the developing countries.”
Howard drools with ersatz politeness. Almost comically he says “But can I gently but nonetheless relevantly…” before pointing out that EU subsidies were a severe penalty for Africa. Fair fracking trade, right Jimmy? That was his point, and he was right. Howard coated a self-evident progressive argument in diplomatic slime.
That’s why Keane’s bombast is obtuse: “Back home, there was nary a whisper about Howard haranguing foreigners. No criticisms from News Ltd columnists. No whingeing from the shadow Treasurer. Silence.”
Scott - Whats wrong with Australia “Lecturing Europe” if what we are saying is on the money and has worked here?
And as for those with more “skin in the game” having a greater say well Korea, Canada, Brazil & Spain are all saying the same thing (possibly others that I haven’t seen reported) a long with the actual IMF itself. And in your original post you seem to be saying that Canada & Korea shouldn’t say anything?
And why if Australia is such a low contributor was the oppostion so against our increased contribuiton?
Can the PM do anything right in the eyes of News and brainwashed coalition supporters?
It would appear not and that is why they are fast becoming irrelevant and just plain mad.
Fairfax sacks 1900 because of the carrbon tax?
The PM “lectures” Europe?
It’s a G20 meeting folks… you’re meant to show examples of the way to do things if you have a good example to share . Australia has great example. Absolutely no thanks to the NO brigade.
Gina and Rupert in charge of our media?
Now, THAT is how NOT to do it.
Coalition supporters better start pulling their heads in before people in their own ranks start looking around and begin thinking they don’t want to be associated with the nut cases in their midst… then again….. please, do go on.
I don’t much like this government; too much compromise on what are decent policies and a total lack of political nous. They als possess a distinct lack of the fortitude needed to call a spade a spade and not only call the opposition for what they are but to also stop the public in their tracks and tell them the blunt truth about how wrong their thinking is.
It’s the public, it would seem that is in desperate need of a lecture for the PM down. They are often deluded in their conclusions.
As bad and as lacking this government is, in my opinion, the alternative is truly frightening, however.
Bernard, I began reading this and reached the bit -
‘Joe Hockey joined in…’
I must compose myself and come back to the article later - this is serious, no time for mirth.
I noted that ABC’s Mark Simpkin has also been pushing the Gillard “lecture’ line after recently holding up a copy of a Gillard bashing front page of the Heral Sun in a lateline report. I thought Mark Scott had said that ABC journalists were only allowed to provide analysis not commentary. What side of the line is this walking?
(perhaps Stephen Long could provide analysis!)
Australia has an enviable record of for the most part sound fiscal and economic management by governments of both persuasions over the past 30 years. In spite of this, we stand to be ‘collaterally damaged’ by the outworkings of the Euro crisis. Our Prime Minister has every right to ‘lecture’. After all, she was diplomatic enough not to point out that Europe finds itself in the state that it’s in because of decades of incompetent and in some cases corrupt mismanagement, aided and abetted by the global financial institutions that gave us the GFC.
Gillards arrogance, was met witn an empty room when she presented. More Australian journo’s than G20 participants.
The World can see through this and see Gillard and Swan for riding the previous Governments shirt tails and now see them bouncing along the bottom
Could we just get rid of Suzanne Blake. She demeans every thread she posts on by her bone headed ignorance.
Grog’s analysis of this debacle is brilliant, thanks also to Annabel Crabb for actually doing the journalistic hard yards.
http://grogsgamut.blogspot.com.au/2012/06/fairfax-and-g20-visits-what-do-we-need.html
I phoned Mark Simkin at Abbotts ABC to try and get an answer from him as to why he was echoing Shanahans obligatory Murdoch ‘attack Gillard’ theme. After being sent to 3 different areas of the ABC News complex, I was cut off.
Next time I will give my reason for calling, he has won Lotto, perhaps then I will get through.
Gillard, Swan and, when he was paying attention, Rudd saved their nation from the contagion of a
Global Financial Crisis by creating the employment which, barely, allows mortgage holders to service
the seven hundred and fifty billion dollars of unsustainable housing debt embraced, mindlessly, under the Howard-Costello Credit-Card Economy.
With his colleagues in the eastern mainland states setting the pace in austerity, with tens of thousands of sackings, an incoming Abbott regime with similar policies will induce the depression we had to have.
The mining sector, see Rhinehart’s billions, is largely isolated from the normal economy, and cannot
save it with foreign employment and ownership.
Abbott will not be not be lecturing anyone, he and the voters and domestic businesses who supported him will become international laughing stocks, and Australia will be re-named Bizzaroland.
And it will all be Julia Gillard’s fault.
OH, Fairfax, an Abbott supporting domestic business and Swan did nothing to save it SB?
@Zacchary - interesting link. Pretty much proof positive that in this instance the Telecrap made up a story to fit their proprieters’ agenda. Meanwhile other outlets tried to fit the story into an Australian angle that just wasn’t there. Or maybe some took their lead from News Limited rags and didn’t bother to check the sources. No wonder mainstream media has so little credibility.
One of the problems is the practice of quoting tiny fragments someones comments. Bernard Keane is as guilty as Dennis Shanahan of doing this.
It is meant to be a way of backing up an argument with first person evidence. But what is the point when the quotes are as short as “no new ideas” ,“lecture”, “in the medium term” and “embarrassing”. These quotes are far too short to contain any context so it is up to the journalist to provide all the context.
This was the weakness in Shanahan’s reporting which was little more than an opinion piece without any supporting evidence. He has left himself open to claims of bias.
I don’t understand why sycophant Shanahan’s writings receive any attention at all. His stuff is not only consistently bad but its embarrassing : a read brings to mind Mark Latham’s quip about that conga line of suckholes.
Gillard and the others are correct. Europe has no plan but a now almost weekly emergency meeting to put on another band aid and issue a string of platitudes. The GFC did not start in Europe but poor banking supervision and profligate borrowing by the Club Med countries are behind the current crisis, along with the slow moving dopes who dreamed up the Euro.
Gillard should have told the Eurotrash to start digging up their Riviera etc for iron ore. That’ll get the economy humming again.
Mexico-on-Rhine needed a no B/S shirtfronting and who better than PM Gillard, the only national leader of a solvent country solvent, with negligible inflation, U/E, a currency in demand everytime whenever ‘hot money’ wants somewhere to hide, a well educated, well skilled workforce with a social stability beyond the dreams of anywhere else in the OECD apart from maybe Norway.
When politics is correctly regarded as a competition or a sport and the quality of political reporting matches the quality demanded in the sports pages then sports mad Australia will be well served.
For example the boundaries of the playing fields will be well defined and “players” from the media will be politely told to join a team or start swinging the golf clubs themselves.
Can you see the higher standards of accountancy required and can you imagine the outrage from
players, supporters and spectators if the front page rules were imposed on their sporting endeavours?
If you can’t then there is no hope for you or your democracy. Just give up!
Well, at least we can depend on the editorial integrity of the ABC … NOT:
http://www.abcgonetohell.net/post/25425893665/the-sloppy-abc-takes-cues-from-sloppy-news-limited
ABC describes the Prime Minister’s speech, which they insist was received “defensively”, as “a sermon”.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-19/eu-responds-coolly-to-julia-gillards-g20-sermon/4078798
Chess C, great suggestion, maybe Europe could also get every rapacious mining company trying to drill gas wells in every piece of arable land on the continent they can get a lease on so that the whole of the worlds fresh water is polluted.
Reference the PM’s comments to the Europolistars, why not. She could have started with asking ho their banks fared when they are like all the greedy banks around the world who almost bought the worldto a major depression (and may yet still).
As I read it, Australia’s bacon was saved somewhat by the Mining boom but also by regulation of the banking system, the same regulation that was not present in some of the European banks (Iceland and the PIG’s for instance) and definately not in the land of the free.
The Freddy and Fanny Macks of the USA (and others) were allowed to do as they pleased. We should be thankful that past Australian Pollies did not completely relinguish control otherwise Australia would have been in the European stew.
Back to the article, once again it reeks of the poor excuse that passes for media comment in papers today. Where are the investigative journalists willing to reseach past history as Bernard has this time?
Scott - This is from the Australian today - “Other new world economies such as China and Indonesia yesterday expressed frustration that more than two years of European crisis-fighting had failed to stem the threat of global contagion.
And US President Barack Obama added that now was the time “to make sure that all of us do what’s necessary to stabilise the world financial system”.
But European leaders hit back, saying they were not responsible for the slowing global recovery and had not come to the Mexican resort town to be lectured about how to run their economies.”
So Gillard is hardly on her own. And would you prefer Gillard go to these meeting and not say anything? And how is your super going? don’t you think that alone gives Australia “skin in the game”
Frank Campbell - Give me substance over style any day. A persons speech patterns won’t cost me my job or drive the country into recession.
Gillards taking us down the Greek path.
Record levels of debt and deficit, public spending and constant tax increases.
Socialism just doesn’t work folks…
GEEWIZZ, can you please explain to us what socialism is? Correctly and accurately, and then explain to us all what this Government has done that you consider socialist? I don’t expect a reply, because most of us on here know you and SB can’t actually put together a complet sentence, but please try, it will amuse us.
How embarrassment! that’s complete with an e.
Recalcitrant RIck - you would have a better chance of getting a pig to explain astrophysics!
Given the fist 2 sentences of Mr Wizz’s post show he has absolutely no understanding of even the most basic economics I’m not sure what you will achieve by a further demonstration other than a good belly laugh!
@ Geewizz -
“Gillards taking us down the Greek path.
Record levels of debt and deficit, public spending and constant tax increases.”
Debt is 6% of GDP, if that- Why did we get the debt? Oh, yes, we needed to deal with that small problem known as the GFC. Ask the bl*ody question, Troofie! And you’ll get the bl*ody answer. You didn’t think it worthwhile to spend money on stimulus to keep people employed, business in business, the economy going? No? No - that’s your answer. Of course it is, Troofie. You are so predictable. You’d rather adhere to that ideological right-wing world view that tediously speaks of slashing public services, throwing people out of work, which, by the by, is the only thing these Lib dullards know how to do, apart from re-directing transfer payments to those who don’t need it. Your value system sucks.
And, finally, Troofie don’t bandy around words you don’t understand the meaning of, ‘socialism’ being one of them. Your ignorance shows.
Karen - I have been asking Geewizz for months to explain how Abbott’s economic policies (similar to the “exapansionary Austerity” imposed on Greece and adopted by the UK with devastating effect) would impact Australia, especially when combined with his ridiculous policies that give money away to the wealthy but alas it seems beyond him.
Jimmy, you’re too kind in willing to plead ignorance on his behalf. I suspect that even if he is dimly aware of the devastating effect of such policies in a contractionary environment (which have, as you correctly pointed out, put the UK suddenly and sharply back into recession) he doesn’t care. He couldn’t give a rats… Just as long as ‘he’s alright Jack’. And, yes you’re right, he can’t counter your argument intellectually, so he stays mute, and throws stupid dirt bombs, like, ‘socialism’ around.