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Sceptics on the menu at Rinehart’s
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Billionaire mining magnate Gina Rinehart hosted a lunch with Western Australia Premier Colin Barnett and the Chinese Ambassador Chen Yuming to hear a presentation from one of Australia’s most prominent sceptics of human-caused climate change on the same day that the government was launching the details of its carbon tax proposal.

The lunch, on Sunday July 10 at Rinehart’s Perth home, was billed as a welcome to delegates at the high-level two-day Boao Forum for Asia conference, which started the following day.

Rinehart, Australia’s richest person with wealth estimated at more than $10 billion, told the audience that climate sceptic Professor Ian Plimer, of the University of Adelaide, was a “reasoned source” of information on climate change.

Geologist Professor Plimer, a director of several mining companies, has not published any peer-reviewed research on contemporary climate change. His 2009 book Heaven & Earth was heavily criticised by climate scientists.

Speech notes from the lunch released on the website of Rinehart’s lobby group Australians for Northern Development and Economic Vision (ANDEV) reveal former Japanese Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda, who is now the Boao chairman, was also in attendance.

The chairman of Hancock Prospecting, Rinehart told the lunch crowd, thought to be about 85-strong: “Today, dark clouds are gathering. In Canberra (thousands of kilometres away), the minority federal government is announcing today the details of its new carbon tax, which will increase the costs of commodities we export and costs in Australia’s economy.

This is such an important problem for Australia I have asked one of the leading sources of reasoned and factual information in Australia on global warming and climate change to address us, Professor Ian Plimer.”

Referring to her fears over a carbon price, Rinehart urged the high-powered  lunch crowd: “Warnings or reminders from yourselves would be welcome!”

A spokeswoman for WA environment minister Bill Marmion confirmed to Crikey he had attended the lunch, but declined to comment on Professor Plimer’s views on climate change.

Cheryl Edwardes, a former WA environment minister, is Hancock Prospecting’s executive general manager responsible for external affairs, government relations and approvals.

This is the second time in recent months that Rinehart has personally hosted senior politicians and personally provided a forum to climate sceptics.

In June, it was revealed she had flown two members of federal parliament to India on a private jet to attend the wedding of Mallika Reddy.

Nationals senate leader Barnaby Joyce and Liberal deputy leader Julie Bishop were flown to Hyderabad for part of the extravagant three-day wedding.

Mallika Reddy’s grandfather is GV Krishna Reddy, whose GVK company is looking to negotiate a reported $2.4 billion deal to buy large stakes in two of Rinehart’s major coal projects.

Rinehart helped finance controversial climate change sceptic Lord Christopher Monckton’s 2010 Australia tour. She also arranged for Lord Monckton to speak to an invited audience at Notre Dame Unversity in Perth on June 30 as part of his 2011 Australia tour.

The Boao lunch event, in a marquee at Rinehart’s Dalkeith home on the banks of the Swan River, did not appear on the official program of the Boao Forum for Asia Energy, Resources and Sustainable Development Conference.

As detailed in the Boao conference program, Foreign Minister Kevin Rudd was an opening speaker at the conference. A spokesperson for Rudd confirmed he did not attend the lunch.

Barnett and Minister for Trade Craig Emerson were also speakers at the conference.

Business leaders included Andrew Forrest, of Fortescue Metals Group, Ryan and Kerry Stokes, directors of Seven Group Holdings, and senior representatives from BC Iron, CSIRO, Rio Tinto and BP China. Senior Chinese government officials were also speakers and panelists.

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  • 1
    Margaret Kerr
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

    The Chinese must just rub their hands in glee at the sheer stupidity and greedy short-sightedness of Rinehart and our climate change sceptic voters, politicians and business people. Especially when we’re so obsessed with Muslims that we’re blind to the fact our farming land is being sold off to overseas interests. Once we’ve squandered any mining royalties that Gina allows us, what will be left?

  • 2
    LucyJr
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    I trust Gina will contribute to a fund to alleviate costs to Australians from increasing extreme weather events?

  • 3
    kd
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    Not so much flat-earth economics, but scorched earth economics eh?

  • 4
    Jimmy Nightingale
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    Why not Lord Monckton?

    I’m guessing that it was more a horses for courses kind of event and even Ms Rinehart understood that she couldn’t expect Monckton to be taken seriously by that audience. Plimer has the veneer of respectability, yet if you scratch through the surface, as many have done after publication of his fictional tome, old ‘Iron Sun’ Plimer fails the credibility test just as abysmally. Still, a fool and his/her money are soon parted and it is easy to sell something if it reinforces one’s world view.

    I guess that is a sign of the strength of the science. That the only people the so-called sceptics can trot out to these kind of gatherings are those with no relevant expertise who need to distort and deflect from the science. Not only that, but the likes of Plimer and Monckton (and the rest of their merry band - Evans, Nova, Carter etc) often hold conflicting or contradictory positions (there is no evidence, climate change is real but it won’t be as bad as the scientists say, through to we can’t do anything about it and can only adapt) and are only united on the Abbott summation that ‘climate change is crap’.

    Meanwhile, as the cries of doom and gloom from this bunch grow ever louder, investment plans in the coal and other mineral extraction industries continue to expand. It’s about time someone, say ASIC, started holding these people to account. Surely, if this is going to be as bad as the miners are saying, we would read about these potentially material adverse events in their published Annual Reports. I am happy to be corrected, however I’m not aware of a single one mention of this.

  • 5
    fredex
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    From the article above:
    “Cheryl Edwardes, a former WA environment minister, is Hancock Prospecting’s executive general manager responsible for external affairs, government relations and approvals.”

    From here:

    Google the opening phrase of the quote above and you get on the front page a Yahoo article that says

    On Sunday 17 July 2011, 13:17 EST

    The Western Australian Opposition has expressed concern about a possible conflict of interest after the husband of a senior mining company staff member was appointed Chief of Staff to the Environment Minister, Bill Marmion.

    Colin Edwardes is the husband of the former WA attorney general Cheryl Edwardes who is now the Director of External Affairs at Hancock Prospecting.

    Labor Leader Eric Ripper said Hancock has environmental applications pending before Mr Marmion and he wants the Premier Colin Barnett to assign another Minister to deal with any approvals involving the company”

  • 6
    Jimmy
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

    In a time where billionaires globally are seeking to give back to the community, eg Warren Buffett, Bill Gates etc Rinehart only seeks self interest. She may be Australia’s wealthiest woman but she will leave no legacy and will be forgotten.

  • 7
    Suzanne Blake
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if Professor Tim Flannery (Gillards ex Chief Climate Scientist) was there at Gina’s house?

    Did he leave his waterfront house he recently purchased with his wife on the Hawkesbury River at Copa Point? Did he leave his house in his speed boat, that was reported to be causing excessive wash in the No Wash Zone near his house at Cottage Point.

    Perhaps he took the sea plane or Dick Smith picked him up is his helicopter?

    I heard the oyster farmers who have been farming oysters for 40 or more in that area and also on the south coast of NSW, say there has not been any sea level rises and they would know. They are on the water 5 or 6 days a week. Their piles and oyster trays are in exactly the same position as they have been for decades.

  • 8
    twobob
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    I heard the oyster farmers who have been farming oysters for 40 or more in that area and also on the south coast of NSW, say there has not been any sea level rises…”

    hhah hah hhah hah ah errrr.

    Magnificent way to discredit science there suzie, or yourself. You can rest assured though that your eloquent argument has convinced me. Thanks for the laugh

  • 9
    Rodger
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    Is there a pattern here?
    Are the rich and powerful more dishonest than the rest of us in their pursuit of money and power?
    Perhaps it is that they are able to mislead more people because they are rich and powerful.
    Or is getting more money more important to them than anything else?
    Just asking.

  • 10
    Rich Uncle Skeleton
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    “I heard the oyster farmers who have been farming oysters for 40 or more in that area and also on the south coast of NSW, say there has not been any sea level rises…”

    And here we were using so-called “empirical evidence” when vague anecdotes will do.

  • 11
    James Gannon
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    Can we stop calling these people sceptics, they are arguing against reason and evidence.

  • 12
    Observation
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    It seems to me in order to be successful in business and to have personal wealth beyond the dreams of most, you need to have your strategic foundation based on shortsightedness. With our supposed business brains trust listening to kooky Lords and supporting federal opposition leaders that have their entire policy list in a pair of budgey smugglers, is it any wonder I feel as if the lunatics are trying to run the asylum!

    Is there a leader out there, anywhere in the country, political, business or otherwise that can be strong enough and inspire us to follow a smart, balanced and long term strategy! I am sick of hearing about all these self interested nutters!

  • 13
    Sancho
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    In case anyone missed Jimmy’s reference to the iron sun, if you investigate the references in Plimer’s book “Heave + Earth” you’ll find that he bases his conclusions on a well-known and terribly mistaken theory which posits that the sun is in fact a huge ball of iron.

    It’s the astrophysical equivalent of the Perth Group crusaders who reckon HIV is completely unconnected to AIDS.

    This is the level of scholarship Rinehart’s “reasoned source” resorted to in order to get the results the denialists demand.

  • 14
    shaz williams
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    Reading Gina’s speech about how her father created WA almost single-handedly and proceeded to show photographs of the glorious Australian countryside, is it any wonder that the Chinese ambassador must have thought he was in heaven as he is sure to have visited Shanghai and Beijing and almost suffocated in the dangerous pollution there caused by..errr belching industry.

    He must have also thought “thank God for these Aussie crackpots” including his hostess who is apparently under the impression that the world and his dog are battering down the doors of Chinese industry to sell them container shiploads of precious minerals that apparently the fragrant Gina thinks must be kept so cheap because there is at surfeit of them worldwide.

    As anyone who has done business in China will know-lunch is a chance to eat well at a foreigner’s expense and it takes a lot more than a few crispy pork belly rolls to convince officials a deal must be done but the occasion which will be met with polite but inscrutable smiles.

    He will no doubt have left Gina’s mansion thinking what a bunch of ill-educated peasants we can be at times.

  • 15
    Rodger
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    Hey Suzanne, show me the measurements. Did they mark a spot 40 years ago?

  • 16
    shaz williams
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    Gina should also get all her facts right.

    We do have a ‘minority government’ in Canberra. We have a slim majority coalition government (who received the greatest percentage of votes) and a minority Coalition opposition.

  • 17
    jeebus
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    The only thing worse than an ideological fanatic is one with obscene wealth and influence.

    Remind me why the glorified dirt shovelers in the mining industry automatically get given ownership of our minerals just for digging them out of the ground? They are merely a service industry.

    The valet doesn’t get ownership of your car for getting it out of the parking lot.

    And a mining company should not get ownership of our resources for getting them out of the ground. If they want to sell our wealth to China they should have to buy them from the Australian people first at something close to the global market price (minus the cost of extraction and a 10% profit margin).

    Right now they are looting wealth they had no part in creating.

    And not only that, but they are using those ill begotten rivers of money to prance around the country throwing rallies and flooding the airwaves with propaganda to support their entitlement to our assets.

    We don’t need a mining tax. What we need is for the miners to buy our resources from us at a fair market price. Right now we’re being ripped off, and the b-st-rds ripping us off are rubbing our stolen money in our faces.

  • 18
    shaz williams
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    Sancho : “In case anyone missed Jimmy’s reference to the iron sun, if you investigate the references in Plimer’s book “Heave + Earth” you’ll find that he bases his conclusions on a well-known and terribly mistaken theory which posits that the sun is in fact a huge ball of iron.”

    That sounds like a case for the Australian Skeptics and ummm..Prof Plimer or perhaps his esteemed associate, the magician James Randi.

  • 19
    shaz williams
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    Gina should also get all her facts right.

    We do have NOT have a ‘minority government’ in Canberra. We have a slim majority coalition government (who received the greatest percentage of votes) and a minority Coalition opposition.

  • 20
    shaz williams
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    I heard the oyster farmers who have been farming oysters for 40 or more in that area and also on the south coast of NSW, say there has not been any sea level rises and they would know. They are on the water 5 or 6 days a week. Their piles and oyster trays are in exactly the same position as they have been for decades.”

    Well there we are-positive proof that climate change is all a fraud and we should have asked the oyster farmers all along. Perhaps they can confirm that it’s a myth that tuna schools are fast vanishing as well, the Barrier Reef is disintegrating and so on.

  • 21
    Modus Ponens
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    Is this news???

    Her political views which re-inforce her insatiable greed are hardly a public secret.

  • 22
    Spectator
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    Barnaby Joyce and Julie bishop who have already accepted handouts from Gina may be sceptics but they, as well as others who were at the Reinhart table, are possibly naive as well. Surely they, or their advisers, brief them on the Hancock-Reinhart tendency to flirt with unusual people - or ‘nutters’ as some have described them. Just look back to the infamous Nicolae Ceausescu who was ultimately executed by his own people after brutalising Romania for years. Who was involved in bringing him to Perth? Lang Hancock of course assisted by then Premier Brian Burke who arranged accomodation for the esteemed visitor in Government House. Then Dr Edward Teller, one of the inventors of both A & H bombs, had meaningful discussions with Lang Hancock about using nuclear fission to blast a new deep sea port for the Pilbara. After Hancock’s death Gina invited and sponsored Teller’s visit to Australia during which he gave a Peter Sellers like performance at the Press Club. Cabaret? Perhaps- but as few could understand a word that was said - of little use to anyone. And no-one can forget the close relationship with Joe Bjelke Petersen.Then - the best choice of all: Christopher “I’m really a Lord” Monckton. A Toff in the real old fashioned style and magnificent entertainment value. Vaudeville? For sure. Gina Reinhart, as is her right,selectively supports politicians in Perth - including Federal ones. Discreet but consistent. Is Julie Bishop one of those? Who knows?

  • 23
    John Ryan
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    Who ran Wittenoom,maybe Gina should think about contributing to Langs ongoing legacy of death and Lung diseases instead of indulging a group of half arsed fools

  • 24
    Sancho
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    I think the point, Modus, is to keep up the reminders that this isn’t a neutral gathering of hard-working entrepreneurs banding together to protect the prosperity of ordinary Australians.

  • 25
    Mobius Ecko
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    Shaz the oyster farmers on the South Coast of NSW might want to also explain how the levels on their patch of sea are the same as the rest of the globe when sea levels are actually different around the world through a well known mechanism.

    http://www.psmsl.org/train_and_info/faqs/

  • 26
    Kristian
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    Umm, I could get shot down in flames here, but here goes…

    What’s the problem? Why can’t Ms Rinehart invite whomever she wants to lunch?

  • 27
    Jimmy
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    Kristian - Look up the term “influence peddling”

  • 28
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    SUZANNE BLAKE: “”I wonder if Professor Tim Flannery (Gillards ex Chief Climate Scientist) was there at Gina’s house?

    Did he leave his waterfront house he recently purchased with his wife on the Hawkesbury River at Copa Point? Did he leave his house in his speed boat, that was reported to be causing excessive wash in the No Wash Zone near his house at Cottage Point.

    Perhaps he took the sea plane or Dick Smith picked him up is his helicopter?”“

    You appear to object to the wealth that Tim Flannery has earned. I thought Oz had emerged from 1950s socialism, where the only people judged to be worthy of merit joined causes and went without the necessary food and clothing available to everyone else. As for the following line: “”Did he leave his house in his speed boat, that was reported to be causing excessive wash in the No Wash Zone near his house at Cottage Point. (?) “”. To accuse Professor Flannery on someone else’s say so means you are relying on hearsay. It would require months of measuring water at different levels, recording the boat’s passage through the water, calculating differences of the seasons-and God alone knows what else.

    You come across like a very bitter old woman. Did a passing climatologist refuse to bed you or something?

  • 29
    Sancho
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    Ah yes. Environmentalists are hypocrites unless they live in grass huts. Because if you acknowledge that the real goal is to make the world developed AND sustainable, you have to explain why that’s undesirable, instead of attacking the same old strawmen and thinking it’s an argument.

  • 30
    Malcolm Street
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

    Shaz - “Reading Gina’s speech about how her father created WA almost single-handedly and proceeded to show photographs of the glorious Australian countryside”

    Worth remembering also that far from a great Australian patriot her dad was a die-hard secessionist for many years. I distinctly remember him around the late ’60s pushing for an independent WA defended with its own force of F111s armed with nuclear weapons.

  • 31
    drmick
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    I think its entirely consistent that Gina has bought Channel 10 and made Bolt her spokesperson on all things Gina.

    The same maticulous care in fact distortion, scare mongering and payola and all the wonderful things that she can buy with all her hard earned money, including the WA Government, is no one elses business except hers.

    Flying poliies around the world to do her bidding and impress the natives is nothing new, but her choice of the bevely hillbillies’ cousin jethro and elly mae as her reresentatives would be considered an insult in most polite circles.

    It looks like she is trying to insult the Chinese, Japenese, intellectuals and the rest of Australia that has the half of the brain required to control smell.

    I smell deadsh**

  • 32
    Son of foro
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    Why can’t Ms Rinehart invite whomever she wants to lunch?”

    Well, of course she can. Ms Rinehart is a person of great influence in this country, the conversatation then is about how she plans to use this influence. Her lunch guests are a clue as to that direction.

  • 33
    Jimmy
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

    Dr Mick - Speaking of Bolt did you catch him on 6.30 last night, they were doing an article on the rise of death threats to politicians and his comment was “Of course it is going to far, but when you steal an election with a lie you have to expect people will be angry”. Way to throw petorl on the fire there Andrew. Why settle for facts when you can appeal to the irrational.

  • 34
    Sancho
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

    Bolt really said that? What message do you think a home-grown Anders Breivik would take from that?

  • 35
    Jimmy
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    He certainly did Sancho and what he said isn’t as bad as the radio shock jocks agreeing with callers that the PM needs to be forcibly removed or worse.

    I read somewhere this week that the right here and in the US have deemed the respective govt’s illiegitimate and therefore they can use any means necessary to remove them, even if that means (in the US in particular) sacrificing the national interest.

  • 36
    Salamander
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

    How come shock jocks can get away with advocating violent overthrow of the Govt. There must be laws against that and some body to complain to. The AFP perhaps.

  • 37
    Jimmy
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    Salamander - I think they said in th report last night that someone from 2GB is currently under investigation by the AFP, but I couldn’t be 100% sure as I missed the start.

  • 38
    Stephen
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    Awful woman, enemy to democracy, truly her father’s daughter. Can’t wait for WA to secede, and I was born there.

  • 39
    Ian
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    I wouldn’t worry too much about Gina. She’s one of the worlds perpetual losers. No amount of money can change that. Remember, she spent millions, devoted 10 yrs of her life and still couldn’t beat Rose. She’s a loser. Always has been. Always will be.

  • 40
    Salamander
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    Some loser. I would say more of a capitalist pig, if we’re into names.

  • 41
    Spectator
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

    Yes Gina Reinhart can invite who she wants to lunch. But its relevant to know who sits ‘at her table’. Those that do presumably realise that there are no ‘free lunches’ anywhere. Or do they?

  • 42
    william magnusson
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    just a word about the good folk farming oysters on the south coast… the narooma farmers had to stop harvesting last year because of high temperatures

  • 43
    david
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    Jimmy
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    Salamander - I think they said in th report last night that someone from 2GB is currently under investigation by the AFP, but I couldn’t be 100% sure as I missed the start.

    Jimmy you heard correctly, a complaint has been made to the AFP by the GetUp organisation against Alan Jones re his remarks to stuff Julia Gillard into a wicker basket and dump her at sea. I understand one of Jones collegues at 2GB has also been mentioned in the complaint.
    When asked for his reaction Jones said as reported by the SMH…”GetUp and go and get stuffed.”
    Jones obviously believes he is above the law.

  • 44
    Michael
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    Boring, boring, boring.
    The media inquiry must be expanded to include blatant bias boring readers numb!
    A 10 year jail sentence should be mandatory.

  • 45
    drmick
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

    Jimmy
    Yep I saw the same story.
    This coupled with Turnbull saying biased media was OK, gives Murdoch and his ilk “tea party” like free reign.
    Its only the press bitching about free speech; If that bloodnut witch in England is anything to go by, the vermin employed by king rat out here are being fed the same cheese and, potentially, have done the same or worse. They have already tried to bugger up a police raid in Melbourne that they allegedy paid a crook copper for.
    Our Prime Minister asks the obvious question about limited news Australia, and gets howled down by the very mob that we should be investigating. fair and balanced my a***

  • 46
    Michael
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

    Crikey. Bernard is sucking life out of your relevance.
    He is just too committed to Labor/Green doctrine.
    He may enjoy being the village idiot but as a paying Crikey subscriber I now take offense not at what he says but at what he has become. A subjective Labor stooge!

  • 47
    Microseris
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    Surprised Suzanne Blake didn’t get an invite.

  • 48
    AR
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 7:26 pm | Permalink

    Jones’ exact phrase, referring first to the PM then a day or two later including Bob Brown was “they should be put in a chaff bag and dumped far out at sea”. The term “chaff bag” was meant, presumably, to emphasise his good ole boy rural origins to his Battlers on Struggle St.

  • 49
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    DAVID: Yes, but why is he above the law. The old hag was responsible for inciting a race riot at Cronulla. Why was this acceptable behaviour? I can only imagine the Liberal Party pulled some strings, what with little Johnny Howard being the PM at the time.

  • 50
    leonard stall
    Posted Friday, 29 July 2011 at 8:07 pm | Permalink

    one monkey don’t stop the show

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