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ASIO gets its new powers — and no one will tell us why

Well, we never found out why, and now we’ll never know. Last night, the bill to significantly expand ASIO’s powers to spy on Australians sailed through the Senate with the support of Labor and the Coalition.

Just when we needed a bit of that mindless negativity for which the Abbott-era Coalition has become famous, they fell into line with Labor. The Greens, in the form of Scott Ludlam, were the only ones asking questions.

And the key question remains unanswered: what exactly is it that ASIO cannot currently do that it could do under the bill’s amendments to the circumstances in which it can gather foreign intelligence?

An official of the responsible department, Attorney-General’s, struggled to answer that question at the brief committee hearings the bill received a fortnight ago as part of the unseemly rush to get it through Parliament. He claimed activities associated with weapons proliferation was an example, only to be brought up short by a Labor senator who noted that was already covered under ASIO’s power in relation to Australia’s security.

Afterward, Attorney-General’s produced a bizarre third submission to the committee claiming illegal fishing was an example of an activity currently outside the scope of ASIO’s powers.

The real answer of course has always been in plain sight: the amendment is designed to enable ASIO to spy on people involved with WikiLeaks, which currently falls outside the definitions of foreign states, people connected with a foreign state or foreign political organisations. The amendment is informally known within Attorney-General’s as “the WikiLeaks amendment”.

But the Department’s official line is that it has nothing to do with WikiLeaks and was developed long before WikiLeaks began releasing diplomatic cables.

So Ludlam returned to the issue last night, asking the Government’s duty minister — the minister or Parliamentary Secretary rostered on to carry legislation through the chamber — repeatedly to explain what it was that ASIO couldn’t investigate that it could under the amendments.

In such circumstances, a duty minister is supported by Departmental officials and, usually, an adviser from the office of the portfolio minister, who sit in the “adviser’s box”, the desks tucked up at the very end of the chamber on both sides. When you go into the adviser’s box, you should be fully across the legislation in question and have a full array of Q&A-type briefs for the duty minister to read from, addressing every single possible question that could be asked. You need to be ready to spring a response out to the minister in a matter of seconds.

As it was, given Ludlam had already identified his concerns at the inquiry hearing, it should have been straightforward to furnish the duty minister with some clear responses.

Instead, officials put in a shocker, and left David Feeney, in particular, looking silly as they served up wholly inappropriate material that frequently had nothing to do with what Ludlam had asked. It led to this brilliant moment from Feeney in response to a further demand by Ludlam that the Government explain what the bill would permit ASIO to do that it couldn’t currently do:

Two points, Senator. The first is that ASIO’s mandate, if you will — and that is my word — is set out in the section I am looking at here, which is where ‘security’ is defined. It is part I, section 4. There we see the definition of security: “”security” means:” and then it is set out in paragraphs (a), (aa) and (b). I think we see there a codification of some of the issues that you are looking for. I guess that when one contemplates the Cold War one is contemplating an environment that is dramatically transformed today. We are obviously not today working in an environment where there is something of a global contest between two clearly discernible ideologies and constellations of nation states. What we are looking at today is, firstly, a multipolar international environment where non-state actors are particularly relevant and, secondly, an environment which has been transformed by technology. So the sorts of materials you were talking about and the sorts of tools that are required to monitor the movement of those materials, I think, have greatly changed, and as legislators we need to make sure that that is something we remain abreast of.

As Ludlam later said, it was rather like Feeney was pouring a bag of cement into Hansard.

This wasn’t Feeney’s fault, but that of the officials nearby who clearly hadn’t prepared a proper answer even to questions that knew were coming, let alone providing a minister from outside the portfolio with a clear grasp of the rationale for the bill.

George Brandis briefly joined the debate, and demonstrated a far more coherent grasp of what was going on than Feeney, but that’s only to be expected from the shadow minister. Brandis was there to report that the Coalition would be joining Labor in blocking the Greens’ amendments and passing the bill, but he felt sufficiently galled by Ludlam’s efforts to question the bill to plead that he, too, was concerned about encroachments on civil liberty and he, too, was sceptical about calls to increase the powers of intelligence agencies.

But as with his failure to object to the Howard Government’s systematic assaults on civil liberties in the name of counter-terrorism, plainly Brandis wasn’t concerned quite enough — not even to participate in the committee inquiry into the bill. He left it all to the now-departed Russell Trood.

The Greens amendments to restrict the effect of the expansion of ASIO’s powers were defeated 34-9. As the numbers suggest, a large number of senators couldn’t be bothered turning up to vote.

Still, at least ASIO can now spy on Julian Assange and Attorney-General’s bureaucrats can stop making up stuff about illegal fishing as a cover story.

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  • 1
    Suzanne Blake
    Posted Tuesday, 5 July 2011 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    We need a strong ASIO, as long as they dont abuse powers

  • 2
    SusieQ
    Posted Tuesday, 5 July 2011 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    What a disgrace!

    What the hell is a “multipolar international environment” anyway???

    Does this mean we should include the word ‘wikileaks’ in every email and every blog post we do from now on???

  • 3
    GeorgeCrisp
    Posted Tuesday, 5 July 2011 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

    So the Greens are the party that defends us from freedom- challenging state powers. Interesting to hear how the Libs can justify that.

  • 4
    Posted Tuesday, 5 July 2011 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    We may know the reason for this expansion of powers, when ASIO picks on someone important enough to have good lawyers.

    Or will we just get the non-excuse “In the interests of national security”?

  • 5
    SusieQ
    Posted Tuesday, 5 July 2011 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    Well, Clytie and GeorgeCrisp - all you have to do is mention ‘terrorism’, ‘border control’ and ‘illegal immigrants’ and you can pretty much do want you want these days. Trouble is, both major parties are as bad as each other, with Labour now trying to outdo the Libs on all this stuff - our rights and civil liberties mean little it seems.

  • 6
    SusieQ
    Posted Tuesday, 5 July 2011 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    Well, Clytie and GeorgeCrisp - all you have to do is mention ‘terrorism’, ‘border control’ and ‘illegal immigrants’ and you can pretty much do want you want these days. Trouble is, both major parties are as bad as each other, with Labour now trying to outdo the Libs on all this stuff - our rights and civil liberties mean little it seems.

  • 7
    JamesH
    Posted Tuesday, 5 July 2011 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    I look forward to First Dog’s depiction of Julian Assange as an illegal fish.

  • 8
    Joe Lemmings Brother
    Posted Tuesday, 5 July 2011 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    Suzanne, please go back to your playpen and stop pestering the adults with your trite commentary.

    Every, that is EVERY, authoritarian organization abuses their powers eventually. Secretive ones abuse it worst of all.

  • 9
    Richard Wilson
    Posted Tuesday, 5 July 2011 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    Under cover of darkness more civil liberties are whisked away. Bipartisan support for spying on the law abiding public should tell you who the enemy really is. I am warning you - they intend to bring into thispeaceful country those radiation machines that the TSA is burning the US people with. It must be stopped before it gets to that stage.

    I have been saying all along that the powers that be don’t want what is about to be released by Wikileaks released - neither side wants us to know how much we are really under the thumb of our great and powerful friends. We may get upset. . Feeble objections from the Greens - dont be fooled - when you think of the stink they can make when they want to. I wouldnt be reading too much into their position. This is in my view the most totalitarian of all the parties. They want enforced compliance to all of their ideas - whether sensible or crazy.
    And first class travel and a full time driver makes even the most rebellious strangely compliant.

    Remember these people think they are put there to control the public not to support their aspirations.

  • 10
    Modus Ponens
    Posted Tuesday, 5 July 2011 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    It doesn’t take much to have more of a grasp on an issue than Senator Feeney. He is a numbers man - straight up straight down.

  • 11
    shepherdmarilyn
    Posted Tuesday, 5 July 2011 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    They also passed the illegal and unconstitutional retrospective bash the reffos in illegal prison bill.

  • 12
    michael crook
    Posted Tuesday, 5 July 2011 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    This is quite concerning.

  • 13
    GeorgeCrisp
    Posted Tuesday, 5 July 2011 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    You have to have a very good reason to take away civil liberties or impinge on freedoms. So the major parties think is so important that it justifies doing just that while refusing to tell us why or exactly what that reason is.

    In a free democratic country this would be front page news.

  • 14
    Malcolm Street
    Posted Tuesday, 5 July 2011 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    Suzanne - “We need a strong ASIO, as long as they dont abuse powers”
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    ROFLMAO!!!

  • 15
    klewso
    Posted Tuesday, 5 July 2011 at 4:36 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know why we keep them on - we could outsource, to Limited News?
    Look at their c.v. :- “News of the World”, what they couldn’t find out with their “networking and experience” wouldn’t be worth knowing - and they’d probably know enough about the actual elected representatives that form those “parliaments”?
    If they could just tear themselves away from that other contract - “Public Image and Re-election Management Ltd - lobbyists to the voting public” - and that gig they’ve got going with conservative parties around the world?

  • 16
    The_roth
    Posted Tuesday, 5 July 2011 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    I don’t recall ANY party thumping this as part of their policy in the last election, where on earth do they get off doing stuff like this.

    My faith, whatever is left, in this system is gradually being eroded by these control freaks!

  • 17
    klewso
    Posted Tuesday, 5 July 2011 at 5:51 pm | Permalink

    The trouble is, with “Topsy” behemoth’s like this, they too often start out acting on behalf of the government (under the ill-conceived cloak and dagger auspices of some issue like a “war on terror”), then as they accumulate more power and resources, they take on an autonomous, self-serving, self-justified, “answerable to no one” life of their own.

  • 18
    Peter Ormonde
    Posted Tuesday, 5 July 2011 at 5:51 pm | Permalink

    Excellentpiece Bernard.

    These things - this atmosphere - is the real cost of the “war on terrorism”.

  • 19
    netvegetable
    Posted Tuesday, 5 July 2011 at 6:08 pm | Permalink

    ASIO is, and always has been, a complete embarrassment. I don’t know why they just keep giving it more and more power.

  • 20
    AR
    Posted Tuesday, 5 July 2011 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    Any organisation, even the most benign like the local playgroup or health food co-op, that grows beyond a certain level begins to devote more & more of its resources to maintaining its structures to the neglect/shirking of the original purpose.
    When that organisation is covert, staffed by meretricious mediocrities (who would otherwise be hard pressed to be dog turd collectors, unlike the Good Soldier Schweik) of a predetermined mindset then it becomes as perfect an example as could be imagined of Acton’s dictum, “power tends to corrupt and absolute power tends to corrupt absolutely”. And there is nothing more powerful than a secret,unaccountable organisation with a blank cheque, drawn on our civil liberties account.

  • 21
    Posted Tuesday, 5 July 2011 at 6:24 pm | Permalink

    Feeney forgot to use “asymmetrical threats” .

    Clearly what we have here is that there are known “knowns.” There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don’t know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we do not know we don’t know.

    And then there are things that Wikileaks tells us about the things governments around the planet would rather they didn’t.

    The massive new ASIO building here in Canberra isn’t just about employing the builders, nor is the growth in employment for internet savvy analysts a coincidence. Draw your own conclusions.

  • 22
    Posted Tuesday, 5 July 2011 at 6:37 pm | Permalink

    Any country that has an ASIO and has been ruled by the knuckle-dragging and reactionary mind-set of the conservative party-laughingly self-referred to as the Liberal Party for the majority of the time since Federation; cannot-simply cannot- claim to be a free democratic country.

    We are a constitutional monarchy which is as about as far from freedom and democracy as Senator Feeny’s ‘multipolar international environment’. Certainly a lot further than logic is removed from ‘mindless negativity’.

  • 23
    j-boy57
    Posted Tuesday, 5 July 2011 at 6:49 pm | Permalink

    bread is colliding with circuses…….. its never pretty

  • 24
    botswana bob
    Posted Tuesday, 5 July 2011 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

    When you see such disgraceful antics one can well understand why the word “Laboril” was coined to describe the two big parties. In league with each other to allow the secret police to spy on Julian Assange and his associates. They are the same mob who stalled action to protect whistleblowers, and try to bury the latest attack on civil liberties in bureaucratic gobbledygook.
    The usual suspects were involved: dear old George whose memorable antics a few years back in the Truth Overboard inquiry showed his true colors and the lumbering David Feeney, a member in good standing of the ALPs Politican Assassination Bureau.

  • 25
    kgb
    Posted Tuesday, 5 July 2011 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

    When I was in the army, there use to be a program that scanned all of our email’s we sent home. My mates name was Sam, every email he sent home was blocked. Due to a key word, S.A.M. which stands for Surface to Air Missile, everything he tried to send was blocked.The program did evolve but I’m tipping ASIO would be using something similar to scan everything we send. I like the suggestion near the top of the discussion, try and add some key words “Wikileaks”, “Dirty Bomb”etc into your email just to stuff ASIO around.

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    The Herculean Way
    Posted Wednesday, 6 July 2011 at 2:08 am | Permalink

    ***I am warning you - they intend to bring into this peaceful country those radiation machines that the TSA is burning the US people with. It must be stopped before it gets to that stage.***

    There is adequate scope for a legal challenge on this one and I know of several groups who are not going to lie down and let it happen. There is going to be SERIOUS issues if they think it’s a done deal.

  • 27
    Posted Wednesday, 6 July 2011 at 2:56 pm | Permalink

    KGB: There was a stage when you could hear them listening in to phone calls.

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