Gillard finds a smidge of vision
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Julia Gillard has turned to e-health to inject a note of vision into her campaign launch this afternoon in Brisbane, announcing a new Medicare rebate item for online consultations and promising to expand the GP after-hours service to include broadband-delivered consultations. Gillard’s launch was otherwise a fairly flat recitation of her campaign commitments, albeit shaped into a narrative centred on Gillard’s own concerns about the value of work, the transformative power of education and Labor’s efforts to stave off the economic downturn. The only new announcement centred on a new, $400m proposal to exploit the health benefits of online consultation, intended to underline the Coalition’s weakness on broadband and combine it with Labor’s traditional dominance in health. The proposal includes:
Labor’s launch was an almost aggressively no-frills affair, held in a small, unadorned venue in the Brisbane Exhibition Centre, with Anna Bligh (briefly), Wayne Swan and an at-times rambling Bob Hawke to introduce Gillard. The Prime Minister’s speech — given off-the-cuff — was similarly short on frills, hitting the key Labor notes of education, working conditions and health, mixed with plenty of attacks on Tony Abbott, including today’s bizarre “boatphone” announcement. The “unreal”, boring Julia of the first two weeks was very much in charge today. But in a campaign in which both sides have been accused of avoiding any vision, Gillard tried to combine Labor’s key themes of health and the NBN to focus on the real, household-level benefits of the broadband network, providing a concrete example of how the NBN can improve family life. Labor will hope this encourages voters to further focus on the Liberals’ refusal to countenance substantial investment in high-speed broadband. Whether it succeeds is another question — there are enormous health benefits to be gained from better use of communications technology, particularly for rural and regional communities, but the heat of an election campaign is hardly the best time to be selling them as a core part of a party’s election strategy. By combining two of its signature issues, Labor may have been a little too clever. But at least it’s a modicum of vision in an uninspiring campaign. |
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Gillard did not make any mention of environment / climate change etc. Labor have dropped that like a hot potato.
They jump on the bandwagon of the latest thing and are inconsistent and dangerous
That was the most sickening display of hypocrisy, inaccuracies and just plain stupidity I think I’ve ever witnessed.
I had to turn it off every few minutes or be physically ill.
The sight of Gillard praising Rudd “from the heart” made me retch a little and the fact that Rudd is so weak as to let her get away with it was just an extra treat.
The doctor can now see little Johnny’s rash instead of mum trying to describe it over the phone was another gem.
Colours aren’t true on most screens and mum probably would know how to use a PC camera anyway, not that the doctor will bother dialing in to see little Johnny’s rash anyway.
Bob Hawke going on about vision and record, too bad the kids he promised wouldn’t be in poverty are now dead otherwise they might have protested, and sighting Whitlam as their hero was fantastic, he was sacked by the Governor General wasn’t he ?
Will the Australian public buy all that crap, I don’t know but we’ll find out soon.
It may seem like such a small thing to announce to most people but when you have a sick child in the middle of the night and you aren’t sure how serious it is and you aren’t sure where the local hospital is - this type of information is priceless. Both mum and I actually like this little vision.
@ Delerious,
Broadband Doctor / Specialist consultations are a con. You cant get sound medical advise with a web cam. This has been tried in the USA and has failed. Shonkey doctors and diagnose led to deaths.
Its Labor spin, to focus on ‘health’ and support the NBN that was costed at $4 billion, revised to $14b and now at $43b and will be much higher when and if completed.
They it will cost they say around $200+ a month.
Open your eyes please.
Your negativity is predictably boring Bernard.
Well Delerious what good will faster internet do you in that situation ?
Might be a good idea to work out where your local hospital is eh ?
It sounds like Labor is encouraging parents to send streaming crystal-clear images of naked children over the internet - images to be retained by ISPs for several years under Labor’s data-retention plans.
is it just me, or are all the Tory trolls starting to sound a little shrill this week?
they all sound as if they about to go and punch someone in frustration
go and have a nice lie down in a dark room, guys, it will all be over soon.
Syd Walker I consider your comment SICK in mind and spirit.
I heard it rather than saw it and I agree that there was a flatness. Gillard was relying more on conveying an earnestness to do good rather than great inspirational themes. I suppose it is all part of identifying with suburban so-called battlers in marginal seats. As I don’t identify with that group it is hard to work out how effective it was.
However, I am in no doubt that Abbott’s one-liner comparing Hawke with Gillard, for having killed off another Queensland leader (Hayden), was as nonsensical as it was negative.
I thought Gillard’s launch was good.
It looks to me like she’ll get enough of a rise from it to scrape back in.
Didn’t bother with it. I preferred Rudd with Rhani and actually Mark Latham with Pauline and Bob.
It was a great launch. A brilliant launch! She the woman! She got passion. She got flair. She got vision. She lead from the front! She the one who gunna turn this country around. Make us strong. Make us a proud people. Australia gunna be great country once more. Well, until Kevin Rudd resumes leaking more cabinet discussions, after the election, of course. And the government becomes destabilised. And the public gets more cynical. And the polls turn down. And the ALP leader is replaced — again.
Yes Troy,
It will be like NSW, 3 Premiers in 4 years.
We are in deep trouble if Labor win.
@Dave Sanderson ” Abbott’s one liner comparing Hawke with Gillard for having killed off another Queensland leader..is non sensical..”
It will resonate with Queenslanders, and that together with Western Sydney, is where this election will be decided.
That Epping-Parramatta railway announcement was a classic. What Labor boofhead decided on that announcement, in Sydney, of all places?
If I was the Coalition’s advertising decision maker, I’d run pictures of Kenneally with Gillard in the Sydney media, and highlight beneath how many times Labor have “announced” major transport infrastructure initiatives for Sydney, that have then disappeared into the ether, with the caption: ‘Sound familiar?’
Give it to them Abbo.
ASTRO is right, this is a shonky alternative to moving doctors out into the regional areas.
If the government is the paymaster of the majority of doctors, then what’s to stop them using a scale of Medicare rebates to entice doctors out of the cities?
For example, pay 140% of the scheduled fee for remote areas, 100% for fringe areas, and 60 per cent of the scheduled fee for inner-city areas.
Syd Walker you should be thrown out on your sick face for that gross uncalled for comment. Where the hell are the Mods? having a long lunch?
Waiting at the airport yesterday I saw a T-shirt labelled: AUSTRALIA SUX New Zealand Nil. Is this self-deprecation?
Is this how opinion polls work? I bet no one here on Crikey has changed their Labor/Coalition House of Reps preferencing intentions during the election campaign. What could possibly have influenced your position? Was it the whistle, the whips or the carrots?
Astro you left out Liberals,3 leaders in last 2 years and the fact that Libs are already in trouble $10.5 billion in their money back guarantee to the Mining Ind. In addition to taking a wrecking ball (in their uncosted) attack on the budget surplus.Well observed? People in a house of cards should not throw stones.
Astro you must be reading liberal blogs to have heard of $200 a month because it already is competitive price wise in Tasmania. Glen you must be of a very delicate disposition to get nauseous so easily. Did the Grech email and Abetz/Turnbull excuse get you to the hospital or was that acceptable to your health ?
Neither launch by both parties were anything to write about but Labors was on message. The coalition on the other hand seemed to be a rerun of red faces with the various acts all getting a clap but in the end we wouldn,t pay to see them at the comedy club.
One thing I think we can safely assume is that if Labor wins Julia moves to the lodge. If the coalition wins Abbott moves to Kirribilli and rents his house out to pay his mortgage. Makes you wonder what he did with the proceeds from the court case he and Costello won.
I saw it and thought: First we had Fake Julia. Real Julia 2.0 was unboxed mid-election campaign when the wheels fell off. Now we have…
Julia Obama. Only instead of “Yes we can” it’s “Yes we will”.
Pretty piss-poor attempt to invoke Obama I thought. Obama can at least deliver it with the skills of a true orator.
It takes a fair bit to make me sick but this woman presses all the right buttons.
I agree with Pauline, “I don’t like her and I don’t trust her”
@ Geomac
I heard it on the radio. In any case, I am sure its been low balled in Tassie before the election by Gillard and Co to con the lot of us. Just like Rudd said $4b for NBN, then it went to $14b and now its $43b. Who knows what the final price will be
Care to explain the logic Astro? Why won’t it be like Victoria or Qld with seamless handover of power to a new leader? NSW is an aberation. And it’s worth remembering the moonbat shenanigans from the Liberal right the saw succession of leaders and kept the ALP in office.
No I’d much rather the mob that hid their talent in the field when they failed to spend on infrastructure, chucked money around as bribes and stripped rights and conditions from Australia’s most vulnerable workers get back in. You know, the mob that said we should wait and see how the GFC turned out rather than actually do anything.
@ Brian 62
No party has costed all their promises, just like Rudd did not cost the NBN, BER etc in 2007 and look at the blowouts there
Is this a peripheral vision?
(I crack myself up sometimes)
@john64….you libs certainly are becoming very much the desperados. How many times have I heard JFK” words at his inaugeration used countless times by all manner of people. If Julia wishes to use a variation on Obamas words, WTF…the only ones making a childish big deal of it are the likes of you, in your fear that the mad one will get the kick in the teeth that is coming to him.
@JOHN - I did too! No notes no idiot board? How’s that GLENN? Pretty impressive I thought! Takes a woman to show how it’s done?
I remember the day Gough Whitlam was sacked - my eldest son’s 12th birtday - he never forgave either Fraser or Kerr?Nor did I!So much for the current Coalition’s absolute hypocrisy over the “respect” for an elected PM - they never got over the absolute cheek of Whitlam being PM, and they still believe that they are the automatic leaders of the country - that they have a divine right to rule What hypocrites - they knifed Gorton in his first yr and put McMahon in his place - what an idiot he was! When the discussion was on about making Howard stand aside prior to the ‘07 election, not once did the main players(Downer/Costello etc) raise the point, that Howard had been elected by the people. Also, Howard always stated, that he’d remain leader “as long as my party wants me”? He never gave the voters any consideration re leadership at all. It’s sickening how Abbott & Co became Rudd ‘lovers’ overnight. Didn’t see much of their respect for a PM during Question Time etc, in fact, Abbott accused Rudd of “industrial manslaughter” over the tragic deaths re insulation - those responsible were the greedy contractors who didn’t train properly and adopt OH&S measures etc?It took Malcolm Turnbull to pull Abbott into line over this comment!
About 37 and 45 yrs ago I had 2 very sick little boys. One had asthma from 2 weeks of age, and at aged 4 had an asthma/croup incident. I knew it was serious, his father laughed at me - I rang the doctor who could hear his breathing and agreed with me - turn the shower on to hot, fill the bathroom with steam, if it didn’t work in 15 mins call the ambulance - if she could’ve seen him as well it would’ve been better, but it worked thankfully. The other incident was when his older brother was only 9 mnths old and had 10 peti mals(convulsions)in one weekend. If I could’ve had someone watch what and how they happened it would’ve helped heaps. I then had 3 months waiting for tests, and lived with the fact that I was told he could die. Thankfully, they’re both healthy men in their 40’s?I’m passionate about Health Care. I had bills from 9 different doctors and specialists - I’d cry when I head the postman’s whistle! Nobody in a rich country like this one, should have to worry about money when someone’s life is in danger!Particularly for a child! It’s obscene!Whe I heard Whitlam’s speech in 1972 I shed tears, and it was Health, Education and Aboriginal Rights that won me - I think it was the first time I voted - it was 21 then - I had 2 of my 3 boys!
My mate had a total knee replacement last May - he’s 81 now. If his GP had access to a consultatioon service with the surgeon or registrar, he could’ve caught the bus(20-30 mins) and not have to get up at dawn in the cold to catch a train, bus it to the hospital, wait in a crowded outpatients, had a 20 min? maybe, consultation and then start the excursion home. It’s OK for people near or in major cities, but for metropolitan and rural people it will be great. This will save time/congestion in the cities and most important, remove the feeling of isolation now felt by millions of people! The colour images on the internet are pretty good I think - close to reality, and certainly clearer than only a couple of yrs ago - with LCD widescreens etc it’s really excellent, and should only improve! I’ve had 3 computers in 7 yrs(thanks to my eldest son) and I’ve gone from 64MB RAM and a 13” screen, to my new you beaut LCD widescreen with 4GB of RAM! Amazing! I’m impressed and excited by the possibilities that we don’t even know of yet!
The same mate has asbestosis. Once again, travelled to Sydney for an extensive consultation with a lovely specialist, who has all his patient files on CD’s including x-rays, results of lung tests etc. He & I spoke of technology and how it will improve medicine in future. Still need hands on of course, but for observation or follow ups, these could be done in doctor’s surgeries etc.No lugging those large cumbersome x-rays around, and with the changeover to records on line, it could change lives. It could also free up doctors and space in Outpatients for emergencies such as heart attacks, strokes, accidents etc. The first 15-30mins is vital for a positive outcome after a stroke!
By contrast, Abbott will remove GP clinics and take money from other medical initiatives that Labor is doing and will enlarge. There are people down the south coast who have to travel up to 4 hrs each way for treatment and consultations. The Labor govt is committed to a Cancer Centre in Nowra,which will be great . People in these areas have less chance than city people of surviving cancer for just 5 yrs. Some women with breast cancer don’t have radiotherapy as they can’t travel each day for 8 hrs - they reduce their life expectancy. Also, it was two Labor women members of Federal Parlt in my area who fought really hard to have a special drug for breast cancer patients with a poor prognosis to have a treatment much cheaper than under Howard - Herceptin, I think it was. Women and/or their relatives were mortgaging their homes to pay tens of thousands of dollars per treatment - this was overcome while Abbott was Minister for Health! It was a great victory and I can still remember the day they won. I’ve lost 5 women friends, including a family member from breast cancer, and more than that number from other cancers.
The ALP has a better record re Health, while the Coalition tries to chip away at it when they’re in. When Labor gets back in they have to try and improve things again - so frustrating! OK for those who can access private health cover etc. Tough luck for the rest of us! The combination of NBN and these Health initiatives are impressive! Good on them!
Astro conversely only one party has promised $10.5 billion gift (at the expense of Australia) as a money back Guarantee not to pass MRRT legislation,the high moral ground is not Abbotts nor yours.With Respect.
The Libs are certainly desperate DAVID because if Gillard wins it’s all over for Australia in the short term.
She is a cunning rat like chameleon who will immediately bend over for her union buddies and all her dumb arse followers, you included , will pay through the nose for a decade as the Libs wont be able to fix all the stuff ups to come in just one term.
You may be full of it now but if she wins and if you have a mortgage God help you because the Godless one wont.
Not sure I got my money’s worth from you today Bernard. I don’t pay for such cynicism.
I’m just sickened to the stomach by the media’s role in this election campaign. Every single outlet (and crikey shares blame here) has acted like the whole exercise should have been designed for their benefit to thrill their readers, rather than actually illuminate us on policies. Talk about a triumph of style of substance.
The endless woes of poor K.Rudd, as though the electorate actually gives a flying stuff-they will vote as usual for whatever policy affects their hip pocket and the woes of “boat persons’ or the fact that Abbott leads a party that was responsible for sending our troops in to blast Afghanis and Iraqis to death, doesn’t even rate. Why the hell would they care about the fate of an ex-PM?. They never have before.
This election is in the bag for Labor because of one thing and one thing only. Abbott was part of Work Choices and the day the Howard government announced it was the day they were toast.
The only lesson to be learned about this election is that the media in Australia-reflecting the USA & UK, has finally descended into the gutter and the sooner printed media bites the dust the better.
On August 21st Julia Gillard, love or loathe her will still be PM and by September if the Liberals still have a collective brain Malcolm Turnbull will be Opposition leader again.
PS - Let’s not forget who was responsible for cutting the number of places at Uni’s for medical students - we’re now suffering the effects of that. Those who’d commenced in 1997/8 would either be practicing as GP’s now, or almost finished their specialty training. It was also Howard who declared that no Uni course would reach $100,000? Guess what? It’s Howard’s fault that we are in dire straights re doctor and nurse shortages, and in some cases are bringing surgeons from the UK for a couple of weeks and off they go home again for a ????of weeks?We’re importing skilled workers due to Howard’s lack of vision, and his mates desire to bring in people under the 457 scheme with less rights and money! Now our money has to be spent correcting this mess too!
If the Howard govt was sooooo gooooood, this country should be ‘humming along’, just making adjustments as to advancements and population increases, instead of almost having to start again to fix the medical/hospital etc mess/es! In education too, we should be set, again, just cruising along and ensuring sufficient students to take over as needed! Again, not so! They were in for almost 12 yrs, what on earth were they doing? Apart from propping up their wealthy mates; putting obscene amounts into private schools etc at the expense of the majority of Australian’s needs!
Every time Abbott complains about Health I explode! Damned cheek? Look at aboriginal people’s health needs after nearly 12 yrs of Howard? Disgraceful!
You need to face reality GLENN!What did they do?
We would be humming along nicely LIZ45 but we’ve had Labor for the last 3 years.
What have they done ?
Bugger all and there’s plenty more where that came from if they win.
A couple of these posts definitely warrant a comment or two:
Skink @ 2.24 pm: Surely ‘Tory trolls’ is pure tautology. ‘Tory’ or ‘trolls’ is quite sufficient.
Brian62 @ 3.31 pm: You need to brush up a little on your history. It’s actually four Liberal leaders in 3 years. Johnny was shirt-fronted by his own electorate; Brendan was thrown a hospital pass and then got taken out behind the play by Malcolm; and Malcolm got a head-high (a tribunal case if ever there was one) fromthe Monk.
@SKINK
If you think that the Tory trolls are starting to sound a little shrill this week, you should check out the comments on the Courier Mail’s (Brisbane) online site for a bit a of a laugh. It goes on all year round.
Good for you Oscar, spot on. the Venom coming out of some people on this page makes me sick, if you dont like julia Gillard just say so, there is no need for name calling. Big business is sticking with Tony Abbott because he and the liberal Party will do exactly as they say. To state that Jerry Harvey said food wont go up with this tax Tony is putting on them is utter b — - sh==, what would he know about food prices.When J Howard changed the Media laws to allow one person own TV, Radio and papers I knew fair and honest reporting would be a thing of the past, and presto that’s what we have.Its one thing to follow a party but when it turns you into a hypocrite and a fact twister its time to go for a long,long swim.
@Glenn,,,your comments were generaly rubbish, however you reveal all there is to know about you in your last words…” God help you because the Godless one wont “. I won’t be wasting further time on you.
Glenn
You make many assertions but they seem hate filled with no actual logic or reason to your assertions. It is generally perceived by both liberal and labor commentators that Abbott is an economic illiterate with Hockey little better. Abbott has in the space of nine months junked his life long assertions and beliefs to present himself as acceptable to the voting public. Battlines I take it is now nothing more than the musings of some fictional character rather than the thoughts of T. Abbott .
Look at the line up if we ignore Abbotts false public persona. Andrews of Haneef infamy who pairs well with Morrison the Reith clone, lot of integrity and honesty there. Old kerosene Bishop and children overboard Ruddock for backup. Greg Hunt who I must say I can only admire for the way he veils his conviction about Turnbulls and labors carbon policy to promote Abbotts claytons policy. As I have said before with the coalition you get flagpoles but with labor you get infrastructure and saved jobs. Well except for Nelson and Turnbull because no stimulus was going to save their jobs from the liberal far right machine.
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Content aside, it was a quite remarkable speech to say she wasn’t reading it.
As for what she had to say, it ticked the right boxes (with the exception of climate change), and the linking of NBN with other issues, most notably health, was a masterstroke. A few weeks ago NBN didn’t mean much to me, but it has emerged as a surprisingly strong issue during this campaign, tying in so well with the economy, education and health - the ALP big tickets.
As a father of four, the concept of the e-doctor is extremely attractive, and it really got my attention when she metioned it, probably more than anything else she said. Would it actually work? That remains to be seen.
‘Fairly flat’ article BK.
Glenn ” Gillard a cunning rat that bends over for union mates”arent you a wonderful example to mankind justify these HOLT all the way with LBJ (Lindon Baines Johson) ABBOTT all the way with MCA (Mining Council of Australia these are real examples of a change in posture, which you are no doubt familiar with.Wash your mouth out, if you can stop spruiking long enough.Dispicable!
You’re sick BRIAN62 - what I said was -
“She is a cunning rat like chameleon who will immediately bend over for her union buddies and all her dumb arse followers, you included , will pay through the nose for a decade as the Libs wont be able to fix all the stuff ups to come in just one term.”
You have a dirty mind and should indeed wash your own mouth out with soap.
Holt all the way with LBJ ???? what on earth are you on ?
GLENN the truth is what it is.May I suggest you seek the help you obviously need, perhaps you could do it online The End.
Gillard is permanently stuck in her undergraduate moot court persona.
Totally unbelievable, disingenuous & living up to Lindsay Tanner’s description of her as a ‘careerist conservative’ i.e. a politician with no agenda save for the one that leads to self-promotion.
What a complete let down our first female PM is…..a female Bob Hawke no less.
When are we going to get a female Paul Keating i.e. someone with vision & conviction.
Glenn
you might not want to use up all your bile in the next five days, you might need to make it last for three more years.
think of your poor gall bladder
it might just rupture itself and you could find yourself in a public hospital bed next to Kevin Rudd
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@David: Quoting is one thing, attempting to mimic is entirely another. Say what you will but Julia Gillard is no Barack Obama.
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Is there a moderator on this site? Is childish personal abuse OK here? Do I have to go elsewhere to read some level-headed political discussion by adults?
Glenn sweetie,
I think you’ll find, if you look deep down, that you are not really angry at the Prime Minister.
You are angry at the Opposition for putting up such a poor candidate, and you are bitter that they are probably going to lose. You are upset because that you have been spending so much time hanging round here baiting lefties, and now they are going to taunt you for backing a donkey.
tell me, hand on heart, that you think that Tony Abbott is the best that the Liberal Party can do.
tell me that when he comes on the telly, you tell your children that when they grow up they should aim to be just like him.
tell me you think that he is the embodiment of everything that is good and noble within the Liberal Party and the nation.
do it with a straight face
then tell me why you are so frustrated
Oh dear. My light-hearted (yet factually accurate) quip apparently caused distress to a couple of readers, namely David and Brian62
May I suggest that if the ALP doesn’t want a growing number of sceptics to rain on its NBN parade it needs to:
(a) get over its pathetic sexual hang-ups (if that is what is really driving the Communication Minister’s incessant and obsessive references to ‘child pornography’ and his desire to brand opponents as sympathetic to kiddy-fiddlers)
(b) show more tolerance for other views - and less desire to censor.
Opinions, artworks, games and other things may well stream a lot faster down $40 billion of publicly-funded and in principle, welcome new infrastructure… but the NBN will actually detract from our democracy if it turns into a trojan horse helping big business and government-sanctioned corporations re-establish their former media monopoly. Then there’s Labor’s idiotic polices on data retention, registration of new apps etc.
Labor partisans who post here might also light to consider lightening up a little as well.
Not all critics are Tory trolls. I for one would love to feel I can trust Team Gillard – but its Kafaesque determination to proceed with a hugely unpopular censorship scheme tarnishes most of the NBN’s shine for this one-time Labor supporter.
@ John 64
Julia is a Barack Obama.
Barack Obmaa is sending the USA broke. There will be a train smash there in September when earnings come out. This is why Gillard has called an early election, she has been told the end of the year will be ugly.
The US have had POOR Presidents, Bush, Bush, Obama and we have had poor PM’s McMahan, Whitlam, Keating, Rudd and now Gillard
Simple
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I just saw a piccie of Gillie and her partner making out on The Australian… at first I thought it was a photohop, but no apparantly it was her and and him. Reminded me of a tarantula devouring it’s pray after mating.. pretty gruesome stuff
SKINK - Abbott is not perfect but he’s better than Gillard who is a reprehensible assassin and is not to be trusted for one minute in my opinion.
If Abbott stuffs up there is plenty of talent within the Libs to take his place, WHEN Gillard stuffs up there’s no one .
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GEOMAC - All of the contenders for prime minister and treasurer are economically illiterate. The question is which ones are willing and able to listen to informed advice from (a) their cabinet, (b) their caucus, (c) the departmental advisers, (d) special reviews like Henry on tax, and (e) other think tanks like the Productivity Commission. Wayne Swan is definitely not. I don’t know about any of the others.
STEELEYE - I would argue it was Sen Nick Minchin and NewsLtd editor Dennis Shanahan who ousted Turnbull. Anyway, very few leaders retire voluntarily, so most of them got their positions by ousting someone else, so what? At least Gillard looked Rudd in the face, which is better than Rudd and Beazley did to Latham. I’m sick of people getting all precious about poor Rudd. Anyway, leadership struggles are mainly a big event for journalists. The public are more interested in what laws we are going to be living under and what will they think of next to spend our tax dollars on.
OSCAR JONES - I couldn’t agree with you more. See the recent Lateline interview with Jay Rosen on horse race journalism - no knowledge required, just the buzz of the political groupies/journalists reporting to us on what they think we’re thinking.
Gee Labor is outspending the Coalition 20 / 1 in election adds.
Three ads in one ad break in the 7 News and not one Coalition one yet
Amazing
‘plenty of talent to take his place”?
Oh please, prayy tell, we’ll need names
Julie, Joe, Pyne, Wyatt Roy?
no doubt you’ll be praying Andrew Robb doesn’t lose his seat
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skink - Joe, even Costallo could come back and there’s Malcolm.
There’s more brain cells there than the combined Labor party and most on their support base.
Most Labor trolls have 3 brain cells, one to eat, one to pick their nose and one to drink cheap beer, they missed out on an extra one to allow them to walk without dragging their knuckles on the ground.
Astro
Once again I need to point out your statement is incorrect. As of now the coalition has outspent Labor in election ads which is not to say that Labor wont catch up in the last few days. Did you also hear this on the radio ? I somehow doubt it because even shock jocks dont get figures that wrong. Your only marginally ahead of Glen in the remarks bin and thats no compliment.
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@Geomac
Your kidding, the Labor / Unions / GetUp outspend is massive. Where do you get your info from?
2GB says its 5 / 1. i reackon its higher, cause the labor ads are in prime time (3 ads in one ad break on the 6pm news).
Gillard spent 12 words towards the end of her launch speech on the subject of climate change - disgusting.
I’m one of Rudd’s constituents in Griffith and today received a letter (not a flyer, a personal letter via Oz Post) in which he highlighted climate change - in fact it was the sole subject. Which has now convinced me that, as PM, he was conned by the party to drop the ETS and is now attempting to claw back some ground.
Glenn,
it sounds like you are already wishing Abbott was gone,
and you are so desperate that you are hoping that Costello will come back, even if that’s at least three years away and you can’t spell his name. Probably shouldn’t have talked about brain cells.
that was my point
even his own voter base hates Abbott
@GLENN
Posted Monday, 16 August 2010 at 4:21 pm | Permalink
>We would be humming along nicely LIZ45 but we’ve had Labor for the last 3 years..
What total rubbish. Howard was in for almost12 yrs. Who was the last Minister for Health? ABBOTT! The same rude and abusive bastard at the National Health Club re Nicola Roxon(he’d now like us to believe that he’s a ‘born again feminist’???). Insulted BERNIE Banton who was dying from mesothelioma, and sadly died about 10 days later - a courageous and tireless worker for his comrades in the workforce and at home, who are dying or will in yrs to come via asbestos. It should also be noted, that it was during the 23 yrs of a Coalition govt that workers were allowed to work with this killer, when it was well known in govt circles that it was deadly. It was Wilson Tuckey(Lib) who spoke out against the plan to provide for victims, and asserted that older/retired workers should receive nothing!
Abbott cut $1 Billion from the Health Budget, and when told that funds required to just make inroads into the shameful stats re life expectancy for aboriginal people was about $500 million to start with, ruled it out of hand immediately! Great bloke!
If they were so good re health, the last 3 yrs of Labor wouldn’t have mattered how or what they did -12 yrs of positive action wouldn’t be able to be undone in less than 3??It’s not 3 yrs until late November ‘10? You’ve got those rose coloured glasses on, or you’re on something perhaps?
@GLENN Your first comments re Julia Gillard “bending over” were gross by any standards. The same kind of gross that motivated the Libs to ignore the LNP candidate who allegedly contravened his AVO for domestic violence. It says a lot about the attitude to women that your hero ABBOTT and Andrew Robb exhibit - and Abbott the alleged proud father of 3 daughters? Possibly exhibits the reasons why injuries from domestic violence are still such an alarming stat re the injuries that women present at A&R -either the greatest or close to it. Why it’s the greatest threat to the health and lives of women from 18-45! Why the billions of dollars it costs to the community/business and health services increases each yr! And why it’s only been a Labor Govt under Tania Plibersek/Kevin Rudd who’ve provided decent funds to overcome this scourge!
Your grotty language re women just reinforces the disgraceful view of too many men in our country! You should be ashamed!
Astro you said Labor and the coalition which is what I replied to. GetUp is not Labor or coalition. If you wish to include unions then state it. Of course you will also have to include the miners and the retailers who want to protect their cancer stick products ( I,m a smoker ) . Funny they say no brand cigarettes makes no difference yet are campaigning to block it. What made me smile was when they said it would make it harder to select brands. When I ask for brand X 25s purple having a blank background would make reading 25s mild easier to pick out.
skink - oh excuse the typo, you’ve lost me now you are right off the track.
Liz45 - haven’t you ever heard the term “bending over backwards” ?
Grow up, really.
Time for your tablets Glenn, Aunty Julia will come over after she finishes moving into the LODGE.
Astro , i heard it on the radio ? murdochs radio ? Should go to the source like iinet/NBN Tassie. Cheap plans starting at $0 a month and just pay $2 MB and free phone line rent, just pay for calls. there will be more on the main land.
Glenn Howard and costello left money in the bank $20 Billion out of 300 billion from the mining boom, the rest was pissed against the private school walls and rich tax payers walls and i forgot about the $200 Billion from selling the Telstra 1 &2 and just before they lost they Borrowed $60 Billion in some sort of bonds , which labor will have to pay off, after Saturday.
@Geomac
You have to add Labor and Unions, they are one and the same.
Getup is pro Labor
Retailers are for themselves. Both Labor and Coalition support bland packaging on smokes. if you look at the fine print below their print ads they are paid for by Big Tobacco.
Miners I agree are pro coalition.
You didn’t say “bend over backwards” though did you Glenn? You used a grubby nasty term and got called on it. And allusions to child porn are funny Syd?
The Liberal Party must be extremely proud to have supporters like you guys. Keep it up though, you are offering an interesting insight into what Australia would really face with a coalition government.
You have must have missed the memo about staying disciplined.
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harrybelbarry - Gillard move into the Lodge ???, there goes the neighborhood.
Stop quoting false figures from the Labor Trolls Handbook.
i have nt looked who wrote this but the vision was amazing in education and health etc
if you think there was no vision in this speech you must of been watching a re run of abbotts that could of easly been done in a mortary
@ GOS
“allusions to child porn are funny Syd” - fancy banning jokes about the perceived absurdities of Government policy while you’re at it?
That too?
Try and ban this if you can between now and the weekend.
It’s about job growth prospects in Conroystan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO8pPhsUbak
“i have nt looked who wrote this but the vision was amazing in education and health etc
if you think there was no vision in this speech you must of been watching a re run of abbotts that could of easly been done in a mortary”
Yep I reckon you could do with some good book learni’n ROFL.
WOW Kerry O’Brien is getting stuck into Gillard tonight. First time he has grilled Labor ever. No bad from an ex labor staffer?
Glenn , what false figures are you talking about ?? Go to the Govt. sites and read them . Talking about false figures, your fairy in the sky ? great novel , but loose on hard facts , just rumors .
I thought it would be another love in when he smiled first up but got stuck in, perhaps he’s learning from Laurie Oaks.
Abbott has agreed to a debate on the economy, tomorrow night.
Goodnight Julia.
astro , you won’t find that (balance) with Ruperts crap . Just spin for the Fiberals. Aunty Julia and Labor have vision with the NBN. Glenn should go to zdnet .com and learn about this major infrastructure that is already up and running in small towns in Tassie, where nobody would invest in B.Band that would future proof this country. With the fiberals, its more of do nothing till 2014 and just give money away to their mates to keep doing nothing. Wireless is crap and not something that can cover the whole country with Fast B/Band speeds ALL the time and distance.
Strange, GEOMAC and ASTRO, that no one mentions the banks. Estimated $21 billion profit for the four pillars last financial year, in a year that most banks around the world considered annus horribilis. Lots of favourable commentary from them on the government’s economic performance. Nice to see where your stimulus dollars and all those inflated house prices went, isn’t it. Oh, I’m sure some of the executive bonuses would have been spent on domestic holidays or building another wing on the mansion and thereby supported employment. I do hope Wayne Swan gets a nice bottle of wine out of it.
The increasing vitriol displayed by the tory posters indicate they recognise what we all know, and that is that the mad monk and his past it support crew (Andrews, Tuckey, the Bishops, Robb, Ruddock et al) are going to get the renewal that they should have gone for at this election. Maybe they will finally accept that they lost the last election and that their time is past and try to be competitive in six years.
The NBN is the only nation building plan on the table. With the attitude of the negative thinkers we would never have built the telephone network. That sold for… how much?!! Neanderthals.
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Give it a rest Glenn. The mad monk blinked. Not a good look cutting and running.
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I was quoting Mark Latham but if you insist.
If you take a look at the posts I’ve only ever reponded when attacked first.
Moderate fairly or not at all.
Is anybody else left …or is it just Glenn talking …to Glenn?
Must be voting with their feet
When Abbott agreed to debate the economy that might have thinned them out a bit.
can we bet on who has the first brainburp - Abbott or Glenn?
I’d be prepared to offer three-to-one odds on it being Glenn
which is shorter odds than Abbott becoming PM
Oh gee no insults you know the rules
where’s the insult?
you are prone to irrational outbursts, so is the Leader of the Opposition
who could dispute that?
Thats an insult and untue but if I say the same about you I get banned.
Skink stop it he’ll have to go away
When someone attacks me I only let go to take a bigger bite.
I have only ever attacked someone who has attacked me first.
Grow up Glenn. If you represent the typical tory no wonder your lot is going down.
I didn’t know Crikey carries political ads, thats a mistake if they claim to be independent.
Hi Crikey… I wonder if my post at 7:19 pm has got lost in the moderation queue? It was quite moderate
do you really style yourself after Glenn Beck?
a recovering drug addict and alcoholic with suicidal tendencies and attention deficit disorder?
will you cry if your party loses?
Anyone see any Lib ads on here ?
GAME ON
Abbott nailed Q&A tonight, Gillard & Co will have a restless night
Abbott nailed on Q&A as a fumbler with no vision. Game over.
Boatphonetone fumbled his way through Q & A. Again showed his ignorance on the value of fibre broadband. Its good for iphones and facebook according to him. Game over.
She is straight out of KATH and KIM - close your eyes and listen - truly BIZARRE
3 years of that is RIDICULOUS.
Looks like its too late to make money on the Labor win on Saturday, after Abbot’s side stepping questions , even with the hired clappers , and Tony looked sedated and tired. The toll of losing the election, he had to win it for his dad (howard) after the 2007 loss of Johnnies Seat and Party . The miners will want their pound of flesh too, and a refund.
Glenn’s on the phone to cost-us -tello , come back, turnball do something , can we put howard back in. The panic buttons are ringing, thats the Dog whistle and dodgy “How to vote cards” They can use the same ones as in 2007 , its 95% the same team , except for a couple of voters choice removals , removed the bad apples too late and now their all going off. I hope its a sunny day on Sunday to celebrate Labor and the Greens big win.
There is no vision in Australian politics and the news media has been lax at grilling the parties over their policies. The election has become a race to see if Australia will elect its first woman Prime Minister. The real issues are not even being discussed.
People need to remember, the government produces nothing. It borrows money now that you will pay for by your future earnings. It takes taxpayers money to provide services that people are better able to provide for themselves. For instance, why should government provide internet access? Better internet is a product of better companies, companies that produce goods and services people want to buy online, the creation of innovative and new media, etc. High speed internet doesn’t produce these thing; that is the end result of a great economy.
The real issue that the media has not focused on is censorship in Australia. The nanny state culture that gripped the UK under Labour is happening in Australia now. You have the few in government telling you how you should live, what to think and what you can see and read.
One of the main functions of government is to pass laws. The Labour government is failing miserably. The end result of another term of Labour will be a string of laws that will criminalise a whole section of innocent people. The recent discussion paper on the governments plan to monitor everyones internet access had 90% of the paper redacted (after it was requested under Freedom of Information http://www.thetellurian.com/node/88)
If you want to see what Australia will be like under multiple Labour governments is to look at the UK’s Labour party (http://www.thetellurian.com/node/24).
Luckily, the UK got rid of the Labour government this year with the new Coalition government beginning the task of rolling back the draconian laws they passed and stopping the unsustainable spending and borrowing that typifies a Labour government.
The links in the previous post are http://www.thetellurian.com/node/88 and http://www.thetellurian.com/node/24
Abbott was a star on Q&A he is solid PM material, answered all questions excellently and showed a clear understanding of whats needed in Australia whereas the bogan from Altona can only complain and criticize, I think she may be put back where she belongs, out of view and earshot.
@ Glenn
Yes Abbott has the momentum now. Gillard is stalled.
Stephen Smith will emerge as new Labor leader, he is their strongest asset by a wide margin
@ Robertson - you’re right really all she’s got is mantras and criticisms, her promises mean nothing as their record of delivering on them is zero.
And I hope Smith does take over, frankly Gillard just doesn’t impress.
But watch out she will do anything to win this, any dirty trick they can muster between now and Saturday will be deployed, because a loss will be doubly bad for Labor as they and particularly Gillard will look like total fools for dumping Rudd.
@Astro
“Broadband Doctor / Specialist consultations are a con. You cant get sound medical advise with a web cam. This has been tried in the USA and has failed. Shonkey doctors and diagnose led to deaths. “
That’s why it’s growing so quickly? And has such a good reputation here? See American Well as an example.
If you don’t like it then post facts - not just made up nonsense.
Thats whats so scary about Gillard (well one of the things) she just doesn’t understand what she’s talking about but parrots what she’s been briefed with.
You can tell by the way she refers to it as THE broadband for instance, no one does that the THE is redundant, and to push what is essentially a faster way to Twitter as a major policy is rubbish.
Our connections are plenty fast for the time being, $43b could be used better elsewhere, Abbott has the right idea by going part the way.
The only people vocal on this are geeks and those with self interest in the IT industry.
Off the cuff speech, my left foot it was. Your nose is getting longer, JuLIAR. Check out these picks of the off the cuff notes found on the lecturn and the stage gut sneaking them to her. http://www.watoday.com.au/federal-election/the-hidden-truth-behind-the-pms-impromptu-speech-20100817-127hr.html
“”Glenn
Posted Monday, 16 August 2010 at 6:40 pm | Permalink
Liz45 - haven’t you ever heard the term “bending over backwards” ?”’
Glen, allow me to remind you what you said, the context and ‘mood’ portrayed! Don’t try to wriggle your ‘wormy’ way out of it after you’ve been called out for it!
She is a cunning rat like chameleon who will immediately bend over for her union buddies and all her dumb arse followers, you included
On second thought, it’s still gross, you knew it then and should be man enough to acknowledge that you meant to be as offensive as possible. Growing up never included making allowances for deliberate rude, sexist behaviur, and apparently the moderator isn’t impressed with your rudeness either!!!!You’re the one who needs to “grow up”?
Liz45 - dear bitter and twisted Liz, please dont read your sexual fantasies into my posts thats not the way they were intended and I don’t like your inference or tone - good day.
Lord Sludge - yes good call, she certainly in a tricky one.
Liz45 - furthermore Liz if the moderator lets you get away with twisting my posts yet penalises me for responding that would be unfortunate, I don’t think that will happen.
@ausi
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She is straight out of KATH and KIM - close your eyes and listen - truly BIZARRE
3 years of that is RIDICULOUS.
Let’s listen to the job you’d do????
Actually, I thought her presentation was excellent. She’s ‘speeded up’ her speech and now it’s ‘normal’ and certainly without ‘uhms’ and ‘arhs’ and ‘stht’ or whatever that annoying sound Abbott insists on making - drives me nuts! He pronounces ‘sure’ as ‘shorewah’ What sort of a Rhodes scholar murders the english language like he does? He walks like a gorilla(with apologies to all gorilas). You’d think someone would tell him???Looks stupid!Fancy him representing us over seas??Damned embarrassing! Cringe, cringe!
I watched most of her address, and I didn’t see her look down at any notes at all! Perhaps I blinked too often. Bill Hayden commented on no notes, no autocue, so I wasn’t the only one!!Tom Uren agreed! I thought she did well! And I support the NBN/Health/Medicare package! Well done! I’d like to see more about Mental Health, and more money for treating people with mental illness - it’s criminal neglect at present!
@GLENN - How did I “twist” your post when I quoted it back to you? If you didn’t intend to be rude and offensive, you’d not even thought to use such gross language. It’s obviously an ingrained part of your psyche and is automatic for you. You’re still gross!
Liz45 - Liz she was nothing short of bloody horrible, if Kath and Kim sounded like that the show would have folded years ago, she just repeats the same lines with those manic hand movements, fair dinkum if she gets in the Queen will cut us loose tomorrow, you will have your republic then.
Liz45 - what gross language ? you’re over reacting Liz, chill out.
@GLENN - When you live in the stuff, you fail to recognise it any more! Don’t try to be cute, it only looks good on pre-schoolers, not people who just behave worse than preschoolers?
A Republic that easy? I’d like to see that!
Liz45 - you win…………groan.
Liz wins? Bah! With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.
Hell hath no fury like the rabid, right-wing Liberal voters in a tight finish. Brilliantly delineated by the gentleman who would have us believe that a vote for Labor is a vote for child molestation.
Hey Venise A: glad to see you’re still in the frame.
What happened with that issue you were facing?
Hey to you too Kevin.
It’s still around my neck like a dead Emu.