The ‘sloganeering’? I know I’ll get sick of that too. Who gives them these ideas I wonder? Do they live in a plastic bubble or something? I really resent the media setting the agenda. Guess what? On Thursday, we’ll be able to watch ABC News 24 hours a day! I hope they lift their game! I’m getting sick of the lot of them.

I’m voting for The Greens in my local electorate, and putting the Libs last, as I went to out the Liberal Member. She’s OK on a womans ‘right to choose’ etc, but not on IR or asylum seekers or ????the rest! The Greens candidate is a good bloke, and so I may even break my ‘fast’ re helping on polling day - depends how the bloody arms are! I could drive around and take some sandwiches or offer to relieve, so people can have a break or something. I’ll see how I feel when it gets closer. I haven’t helped on polling day since 1983?

I’m also sick of Abbott’s nonsense re Kevin Rudd - what hypocrisy! We don’t elect the PM, we elect individual members of Parlt. They’ve had 4 leaders in less then 4 yrs, and their antics are just as ruthless. In one day, he said that Kevin Rudd had been “assassinated” and “executed”? And no journalist took him to task. Fancy that!

I’ve just taken another look at the title of this discussion paper! Quite amusing really! Make us pure, but not yet! I didn’t think that was the aim - I thought it was about protecting kids - or that’s their stated reason/s? As I said before - ho hum!

I’m ‘girding my loins’ for the 7PM news. If it really gives me the, you know whats, I’ll just go back to playing CD’s!

Take care!

This, in the age in which we live, it is arguably the most important Portfolio in the entire Government. I ask you, where does all our information come from? We have at our fingertips, information which the thinkers in the Renaissance would have killed for.

And what does the Government do with it? In places it in the hands of someone who thinks the Gum-nut fairies are a bit nude.

And for those people who vote for the Coalition Parties, we have Tony Abbott, the Jesuit-trained Catholic as head of the Liberal Party. Together with another rabid Catholic, Barnaby Joyce, as head of the National Party, both men-naturally-are anti-choice and anti-euthanasia, and anti-women.

This is the year two thousand and twenty, and religion is the last vestige of our primeval fears and superstitions. Superstition with a halo is what religion is. Yet this power-hungry trio is holding back all our potential growth for our cultural future, in the name of a man-made God!

Nor should I leave out the Muslim God and their followers, although thus far Oz has been relatively free of Muslim parliamentarians.

Yes, I know I’m going to vote for the Greens, but I have to work out my prefs too.

Enough of my gloom. No wonder we are a third-rte people!

‘Bye.

Your point is taken though.

What happens when the heart gets involved? We use every word, of our lifetime’s experiences, and in so doing, we lurch ever closer to the edge of the precipice of the prevailing moral code at the time.

With the world positively rushing to embrace all forms of right-wing dikat, and with our technical prowess to access information beyond previous generations’ wildest dreams, we have the paradoxical situation of having ever less freedom of expression.

Perhaps it is best seen in the medium of cinema. The Americans have the technology to produce technically mind-boggling Movies. Which, to me are beyond watching for their sheer boredom.

At the same time their censors allow them to use the ‘F’ word. Thus, on a bad day, their will be entertainment for thirteen year old children, liberally splattered with ‘F’ words. Zero content+meaningless ‘F’ words=Something few people will want to watch, because the ‘F’ words are thrown in gratuitously. And thirteen year olds are not noted for their ability to concentrate. Yet another immortal clunker hits the deck.

Just as the land of Oz was about to mature culturally, we have a bovine clod; a self-styled Conservative Catholic, who has given the most sensitive portfolio of all. The minister for public morals. (All on the basis that Fielding’s mother had a bit part in the production of movies, or was it TV programs?)

Thus does history repeat itself, cultural flowering to be held in thrall by the mediocre morality of Senator Fielding. Thus does he join a gilt-edged trio Savanorola, Torquemada, Steve Fielding.

One thing one can say about Catholics, they run true to form.

Here is my rarest accolade. My crawling compliment to Crikey!

We are told in the most gentle and friendly manner to get back on track. Moderation when it occurs on Crikey is at times quirky (sorry guys!),-but never done with threats.

That is why this place is unique.

I put up a post that says I will go off topic with a vengeance-it is up for moderation-it is put up in its entirety!

I have damn good reason for appreciating a site that very obviously leans to the Left,-yet has a fair whack of conservatives (who of course get a belting!), but they know damn well that what they say will go up on the forum, and they hold their own very well!

I have great respect for writers (ex.one..) who often take a strafing, yet critical posts do not ‘disappear’ . There are no threats of suspension.

They are comfortable with the bricks and flowers.

Sod it all! We can even use some terminology of the type that ricochets of the tonsils!

That is unique. It’s unique I tell yer.

I know.
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There you go! My apple for the teacher.

Enjoy!

Also, WTF did all those people who are health carers, spend years learning their various professions? Just to have some lumpen-pate female fascist telling their acolytes “Don’t use Doctors!” “

Your terminology disgusts me! It is an appalling put down of those who don’t hold your views!

God! How you despise females that don’t meet your requirements!!!!

‘Lumpen-pate female fascist’.
Acolyte? ……..

Try that on me,-and I’ll turn this topic on its bloody head!

You are really trying my damn patience!

How in the hell did you get to this?: Conroy might filter home birthing sites?

Is your anti-censorship perhaps selective?? THAT would be OK?

I think in the UK there are more women who have their babies at home - but maybe that was years ago. A century ago, women had their babies at home, but how many died? And how many babies died? I think they should campaign to change the environment or attitudes or whatever in the hospitals; that would be a positive activity. Women can go home within 24 hrs after giving birth these days - mind you, I think it’s too early, particularly with a first baby, but, maybe I’m wrong. I think it would be best to get the feeding underway, preferably breast feeding etc, and make sure the woman isn’t at risk of postnatal depression or haemorrage or???

I wonder how some of these women would react if they took a ‘trip’ in a time capsule, and went back to the 60’s? They’d be shocked out of their heads! These days, birthing units, partners present, have your baby standing on your head if that’s going to work, these days - 110% better! Mind you, I think there’s too many C sections these days! Some are probably life saving, but too many out of convenience, or ????

Been busy all day! Take care!

I’m glad you agree with me re the home birthing racket. In the rush to be one of the few so many women end up becoming ‘one of the many’ who meet with misfortune.

Also, WTF did all those people who are health carers, spend years learning their various professions? Just to have some lumpen-pate female fascist telling their acolytes “Don’t use Doctors!”

I despair.

I haven’t been to Iceland. Haven’t been out of the country really - haven’t had the money to do it!

The home birth question - briefly! My last baby gave me some grief. I had pre-eclampsia, and spent the last 6-8wks in and out of bed. There was no way I was going to take any risks with his life. In fact, the paramedic jokingly wanted to offload me at a closer hospital, but I said, no way - any problems I want to be where he can be cared for - instantly if necessary. I didn’t realise until years later how dangerous it was for me also - or him either! I just had a gut feeling! He was born 5 minutes after I entered the hospital - another manifestation of pre-eclampsia, so I was told! He was fine, thankfully! I can’t understand anyone taking any risk with their baby. Adults can please themselves, but a baby relies on us to make informed and adult decisions. What if I’d opted for a home birth, and he was born that quickly but then had difficulties and died! Then, I would be a basket case! Their father was a tall man with a large frame - my boys weren’t that heavy, but they had large heads and frames! That gas and/or pethidine was good, not perfect, but helpful!

Having said that, I believe that the hospital system re birthing could improve its service. Some women have bad experiences for a variety of reasons, but those involved in policies and procedures etc should listen to what women need, and work on it. I totally reject the unnecessary involvement of obstetricians etc - pregnancy is a natural function, we’re not sick! My pet hate is the common saying, ‘the doctor delivered the baby’? What? I did it! God, the one thing I’ve achieved that nobody else could do, and some bloke/woman takes the kudos for it! No way! In fact, there was only a doctor there for one - out of three! It could be argued re casaerian, but otherwise, no way!

Wow!things in the 60’s were awful - there’s been so much improvement in the last 40+ years. We were treated as though we were sick, stupid, idiots, basket cases(if something was wrong and we shed tears etc) bullied, denied seeing our other kids while in hospital, and Matrons behaved as though they got their training from Hitler! We weren’t even allowed out of bed during visiting hours! Why didn’t we just tell her to get stuffed? Amazing isn’t it? Things are much better now, but there’s always room for improvement.

High Priestess eh?

We are going to disagree strongly on this,-but here I have no problem at all saying that this is not applicable to this topic, so I won’t go further.

” I mean, whose effing bodies are they? You know, those people who make up over fifty percent of the population? They are called women. Right? “

In your very next post you put this.

I agree.

LIZ: Did you say you were in Iceland? I’ll bet it’s cold. Yes, it’s Summer, but I was in Punta Arenas (almost as far South as one can go) in Summer. I was wearing tights, thick trousers, hiking boots. two skivvies, two jumpers, a silk Balaclava and a woollen one, and a very thick Parka, sun glasses and a camera.

Anyway, of course you are right. I thought I’d made the point that Steve Conroy can do exactly that. Ban internet information re birth-control (he is a conser-vative Catholic-his words) euthanasia information. (already banned) And anything else a good catholic may take exception to, in his bid for total power by installing an internet filter.

Which is the reason I introduced in one of my comments, the man who is a leading member of some branch of the fundamentalist Catholic church-a sort of sub-plot, as it were.

He is outraged because the Senator is going to ban his website where he shows ground-up bones, and mutilated foetuses-gory and hideous stuff-to send these photos to women who might have thought about having an abortion. Not to mention any parliamentarian who goes along with allowing women to have an abortion.

I mean, whose effing bodies are they? You know, those people who make up over fifty percent of the population? They are called women. Right?

Anyway, of course you are right. I thought I’d made the point that Steve Conroy can do exactly that. Ban internet information re birth-control (he is a conser-vative Catholic-his words) euthanasia information. (already banned) And anything else a good catholic may take exception to, in his bid for total power by installing an internet filter.

Which is the reason I introduced in one of my comments, the man who is a leading member of some branch of the fundamentalist Catholic church-a sort of sub-plot, as it were.

He is outraged because the Senator is going to ban his website where he shows ground-up bones, and mutilated foetuses-gory and hideous stuff-to send these photos to women who might have thought about having an abortion. Not to mention any parliamentarian who goes along with allowing women to have an abortion.

I mean, whose fucking bodies are they? You know, those people who make up over fifty percent of the population? They are called women. Right?

It is because of the record of unfortunate results of home-birthing, and the odds against a successful delivery, that the insurance companies wouldn’t insure midwives, nor will they insure patients who decide to go ahead with home-births.
Nothing daunted, the high priestess of home birthing-Google ‘The Memes of Production’-I’d give you the name but Crikey would object, I’ll give you a hint. The name is Scandinavian-that the head of the movement approached the Health Minister, Niccola Roxon, to subsidise home-births.

To her eternal credit, Ms Roxon said No! Hopefully, a lot of women may cease worshipping their own bodies, as if they had reinvented the wheel, and as if they were the first woman to ever get pregnant; and get themselves safely to professional health carers. You know, those funny people who have spent years of their lives in order that they may save the lives of other people.

I’m glad you had a safe delivery, but from the ease with which you say “No big deal” I would guess that you are as healthy as hell. Which is terrific. However, there a lot of mentally constipated and physically delicate female fools out there who assume that home-birthing is another form of religion.

Anyway, I’ve gotta go and I’ll read you tomorrow.

Ciao baby

1. Write number 1 for the candidate you like best
2. Write the last number for the one you hate the worst
3. Write the second last number for the most likely favourite (if not already covered by the first two steps)
3. Enter the remaining numbers in any squares, it doesn’t matter which

@HUGH - this is what you said a few days ago! “powerisnotstrength, originally you could have chosen a different example such as: “As a dog returns to its vomit, so a fool repeats his foolishness.” It’s biblical (Proverbs 26:11 I think), it’s eyecatching and it’s apt - especially for Labor voters who just can’t stop going back to the steaming pile despite a stick-in-the-throat texture.”

You later on went on to assert, that you didn’t participate in any ‘personal attack’ and I was the one at fault for deviating from the path of the topic, which I hasten to point out, that your last comments have nought to do with the topic also - nor have any of your comments for at least a day or two! Being obsessed with the nitty gritty of my voting methods has nought to do with Conroy’s filter! Talk about the pot ………,,,,Exhausting!