Israel’s PR war on ‘hate boat’
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“This wasn’t a Love Boat,” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said overnight, in the face of growing condemnation of the deadly commando raid on a flotilla of activists challenging Israel’s navel blockade of Gaza on Wednesday. And he mounted a social media campaign to convince the world the threat was not simply to Israel but global nuclear security. The Jerusalem Post posted video to You Tube of Netanyahu addressing the international reaction. He branded those on the boats a “vicious mob” and “supporters of terrorism” and, while expressing regret for the loss of life, “we will never apologise for defending ourselves”.
Netanyahu pleaded with the world to examine videos of the attack. A compilation of footage — titled ‘Keeping Lies Afloat’ — was posted by the government on You Tube, and linked to via Netanyahu’s Facebook page and Twitter account.
The New York Times reports the video was made by New York-based advocacy group Fuel For Truth — which states its mission as to “disseminate accurate information about Israel and the Middle East to young Americans, 18 to 34.” As the Times notes, the video employs “faux-hip lingo employed by ad copywriters who want to reach out to young people”. Israel certainly had plenty of support on Facebook. Liliana Enachescu wrote: “I think people around the world can see the truth. We are just simple people. In fact we are the force. Tomorow we will change the politics will force media to tell us the truth.” And Mitchell Risenhoover: “Mr. Netanyahu, remember the God of Israel is on your side, and many Christians are praying for your safety and wellbeing.” Israel is under attack from “international hypocrisy”, Netanyahu declared. His case was two-fold: the flotilla was delivering arms to Hamas, and materials to Iran for nuclear weaponry. “I say to the responsible leaders of all the nations, the international community cannot afford a uranium port on the Mediterranean,” he said. Increasingly, the battle is being fought in the media. Former Netanyahu political adviser Israel Kasnett writes in the Jerusalem Post that Israel should have known the bad press was coming:
But supporters of the flotilla say the action was about combating Israel’s “well oiled spin machine”. Lauren Booth, a journalist and campaigner who was part of the first effort to break the Gaza blockade in 2008, writes in The Guardian:
The attack and aftermath will reshape Middle East relations. As David Ignatius, a columnist with the Washington Post, notes: “Israel picked a fight with Turkey, a more dangerous foe than Hamas”.
For the United States, having Israel and Turkey “at each other’s throats” is destabilising, the NY Times’ Thomas L. Friedman writes: “We have got to move quickly to get them both back to the center before this spins out of control.” So is Israel now a burden for the US? As Time reports, the head of Israel’s Mossad intelligence agency made that suggestion on Tuesday — as the White House stays mostly quiet on the issue. As Tony Karon writes:
Meanwhile, Israel is moving to deport 618 international detainees — including four Australians — caught up in the flotilla attack. Hundreds of activists are landing on chartered flights in Turkey and Greece; Fairfax correspondent Paul McGeough and photojournalist Kate Geraghty were due to land in Turkey this morning. Geraghty has told her employers she was tasered during the “pretty full on” attack. “It hurt and it made me feel sick,” the Sydney Morning Herald quoted her as saying before boarding her flight. Turkish activist Nilufer Cetin told The Guardian troops opened fire before boarding the Turkish-flagged ferry Mavi Marmara — contradicting Israeli claims that force was not used until the boarding party was attacked. “It was extremely bad and very tough clashes took place. The Mavi Marmara is filled with blood,” she said. “There were sound and smoke bombs and later they used gas bombs. Following the bombings they started to come on board from helicopters. “I am one of the first passengers to be sent home, just because I have baby. When we arrived at the Israeli port of Ashdod we were met by the Israeli interior and foreign ministry officials and police; there were no soldiers. They asked me only a few questions. But they took everything — cameras, laptops, cellphones, personal belongings including our clothes.” Kutlu Tiryaki, a captain of another vessel in the flotilla, told The Guardian: “We continuously told them we did not have weapons, we came here to bring humanitarian help and not to fight.” But The Times reports the Foundation for Human Rights, Freedoms and Humanitarian Relief — 40 members were on the Mavi Marmara — has “a history of involvement in Islamic extremism around the world and has been linked with an attempted bombing of an airport in the US”. |
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Both sides have used the media as an arm of their confilct.
Both sides try to get their message out, although Israel feels that much of the Western media is pro-Palestinian, and thus tries to bypass the BBCs, AL-Jazeera’s and MSNBCs of the world by using social media to communicate their message more directly.
If you think it’s all Israeli-spin and that the other side is blameless, have a look on You Tube and elsewhere for ‘martydom operations’ clips, if you have a strong stomach.
We are seeing the end of the legacy media and for what are becoming ever more apparent good reasons.
So Israel attack a ship in International waters, kills 9 people and then kidnaps 618 people and puts them in detention camps, and the world is on the terrorist side ? They are the crazy Nuclear armed wankers, no wonder Iran want Nuclear arms to defend themselves. The big money PR machine working overtime, wonder when they will find the WMD’s on board the peace ship?
Uh huh. So shooting activists in the face is countering a martyrdom operation. I thought martyrdom operations were about blowing themselves up? The genuine intent was to land on the Gaza shores, dump the humanitarian aid, then leave.
Every side in every conflict uses the media as their arm. There is nothing wrong with that - it is the duty of the media to report. The facts of the matter are that the attack on the boats is unconscionable given how transparent the flotilla were on their actions and their payload and Israeli actions should be universally condemned.
We will now only see more flotillas attempting to breach the blockade.
Ghandi got rid of the British through satyagraha rather than jihad. There’s a big lesson to be learned here - if the Palestinians and supporters resort to Ghandi’s approaches, rather than bin Laden’s, they could achieve a lot more, and get far more positive media coverage. Shalom.
Claims that the world is on the side of “terrorism” are a joke. Israel’s very act of attacking the flotilla should be deemed a terrorist act.
Tomboy - not sure using Ghandi as an example is good - he was one of the main reasons why Hindu and Muslims fought (and still do) in India, signally the formation of a Muslim state in Pakistan. And he quite often used violent tactics, when suited. The British were actually defeated in India by the Japanese - Ghandi supported their violent methods of doin g this, or at least didn’t try and stop them.
It’s just the age old story of religion vs religion. And we are all being held hostage by this “us versus them” mentality.
That film is nothing to do with this exercise I submit, it is pitch black at 4 am and this video is light.
It’s like the children overboard pictures, taken the next day and then passed off as proof children were thrown.
Bibi is a monumental clown.
Good to hear Stephen Smith being very firm this am.
They’ll be wanting the Palestinians to pull their belts in, then.
@Marilyn, you might remember photographic film negatives; I think the video is rendered similarly (and possibly from an infrared sensor, a la HotSpot in cricket telecasts).
Israel and Egypt both had blockaids up against Palestine.
Israel, for good reason, monitors aid going into the strip as rockets and weapons cannot be mass produced on site and have to come from somewhere.
Israel offered the ship a port from which to unload the aid under supervision but this was declined. Direct aid shipments from Israel itself have been turned away by Hamas at the boarder.
Video shows the activists on the main ship shouting slogans of martyrdom prior to Israeli action, another video shows them arming themselves and preparing to attack Israeli commandos which they subsequently do.
Soldiers are stabbed, severely beaten up and one is thrown overboard- this was premeditated, not an instinctive action of self defence.
People may be ‘yeah but the commandos shot people’, but look at the video and take an informed guess as to whether this was in self defence. To me it didn’t look like the paintball guns they boarded with were up to the task.
This was planned in the knowledge that the world would instantly blame Israel.
The attack on Bolt is weak. If the documented evidence was so clearly against Israel as it is for I am pretty sure many people on this sight would be drawing their own conclusions and resolute as Bolts.
I also note that the Turkish ‘charity’ group has a pretty suss background but in this case the surplus of evidence is such as to not require too much fleshing out of this assertion.
The Israeli’s have proved themselves time and again to be a country that has total disregard for international law, and or human rights. Any moral capital they ever had in the middle east conflict has evaporated along with the 1200 civilians they shot in operation cast lead, which seems to have been forgotten pretty quickly. Had this been the Iranian navy that had intercepted a civilian boat and killed nine protesters, the reaction would have been considerably more serious internationally. The fact is, none of these people were armed,and their boats were aggressively boarded by professionals soldiers. The Israeli’s common defence any any situation when they shoot civilians is to label them terrorists. People “riot” regularly in lots of places, globally, the reaction from law enforcement is usually to subdue them, not to kill them. Basically the Israeli government is condoning the use of lethal force in every situation that their Personnel are confronted with unarmed, angry protesters, a common situation when you are repressing a massive, disenfranchised population. The Israeli’s should be seen for what they are globally,provactive and dangerous.
Pretty hard to turn the other cheek when your neighbours have made no secret about their desire to kill every last Jew in the Middle East, have invaded Israel multiple times and have openly stated the intention of acquitring nuclear weapons to incinerate Israel.
Things like that tend to make the people so threatened a lot more hard line.
Why did the Israelis confiscate all cameras and personal belongings which could show is an alternative assessment of the situation? What right do armed thugs have to intercept ships in international waters and kidnap the passengers and crew, murdering some in the process?
Why did Hillary Clinton virtually condemn Israel for its gross act of piracy? Even American politicians can see through the hype and bullshit.
Netanyahu wants this conflict to continue so his acolytes can continue their territorial ambitions on the West Bank. They are prepared to do this even at the expense of alienating Turkey in pursuit of their own short-term political ambitions. Hamas and Hezbollah also want this conflict to continue to consolidate their political power.
Israel would have everybody on their side if they stop stealing Palestinian land, and stop replicating the Warsaw ghetto in Gaza. Whatever sympathy Israel may have arising from their persecution in in World War II, they have exhausted their legacy by adopting some of the terror and bullying tactics of their oppressors in WW2. Whilst continuing to play the Holocaust sympathy card, they overlook the fact that more Russians than anybody else died as a consequence of racist oppression at that time.
Had this been the Iranian navy that had intercepted a civilian boat and killed nine protesters, the reaction would have been considerably more serious internationally.
You are joking? Is this the same Iran that kidnapped soldiers in international waters (don’t go making the ‘link’, the soldiers were not warned to back off). Is this the same Iran that threatens to wipe other countries off the face of the map and arms militia groups as proxies abroad?
After this event there were mass protests across the worlds, nearly every world leader demanded and investigation (inferring Israeli blame), nearly every newspaper ran headings and articles denouncing Israel or , again, inferring blame.
The protesters on the single ship that put up resistance were armed- there is video evidence clear…as…day taken by the ‘protesters’. They were no guns, granted but a metal pole and slingshots can to a lot of damage! I have already stated that one soldier was stabbed (again, see the footage). There were also flash grenades and firebombs (AGAIN, look at the video).
People (including Fitter) are blinded by what they see as past injustices- seeing red as it were. But take a breath and look at this specific incident on its merits, don’t go blame Israel as an instinct.
Like the ‘ambulance bombing’ a while ago we have to stop accusing first (as happened) then finding out the truth later. It is unfair and it is unjust.
Also, having criticized bolt for making an early call bases on all the evidence I full expect that this site will never reach a conclusion upon clear evidence that shows Israel in the wrong- guess we will have to wait and see.
I see the Israeli propaganda squad is in and doing what they do best lying,and Bolt and the right wing Israel can do no wrong its all those nasty Arabs fault,if only they would let us murder them quietly.
You can pretty well name the Israel support group who leap to defend them,I wonder what will happen if the Turks decide to get involved,then the Israeli support group will have a problem,mind you so will the US.
The sooner the US cuts off arms and money to the land thieves and the murderous settler movement,and tells these people to get back to the original peace lines the better
There is no doubt that the flotilla was meant to be a provocation. It most probably was. And everybody knew about it. It was plenty of time to think about some efficient and useful strategy or a counter-trap.
But, in all due respect, Bibi should have been better prepared for the trap. Instead, he walked right into it.
As some former Mossad guy stated, if the intelligence were involved, they would rather send subs, freeze the propellors and let the boat drift in the sea unless they run out of food.
Other suggestion was to let the boats get to the beach and get inspected by the security guards or customs or whatever and take photos of the whole cargo.
If, however, Bibi suspected that the boats were full of arms, it was stupid to send the soldiers and endanger their lives.
Just wondering though, how scissors and children toys can overpower (supposedly) well trained and fully armed commandos in protective clothing.. What is the intend of any sniper ascending a boat? Deliver lollies?
Will the Australian journos get their ‘weapons’ (mobiles and cameras) back for all to see what is in them??
Unfortunatelly, Hamas are now laughing with the publicity they get. Gaza is back on the map, again.
When did the first and third events on this list occur, citations please.
Michael James
Wasn’t one of the ships under American flag?
[Moderator- this comment has been edited! Please stop with the personal insults.] Trap? According to McGeough they were hunting prey like a pack of hyenas.
Ever seen a wild life film about hyena hunting their prey?
Sounds accurate.
Now as the idiots knew the world would be watching what is the point of using deadly force to protect an illegal blockade.
Gaza should be on the map, their treatment by the world is an outrage.
Tasering female journalists says it all really.
Hmmm. As the unfortunate soldiers and photojournalists in the infamous Wikileaks video from Baghdad discovered, at ultimate cost to the latter, a telephoto lensed camera can look an awful lot like a weapon, particularly when someone’s looking down the barrel of it at you. Even more so in poor light, electronically enhanced or otherwise.
It’d be nice to get the full story before rushing to judgment.
What are these celebrities, pro-Islamist, and ‘peace’ activists whingeing about? There is no heroism, courage, or commitment, unless their is RISK attached. They rolled the dice. Guess what? Some died. Big deal. Maybe Israel should blow the flotilla to smithereens. THEN, their whining about their bravery, blah, blah, might be worth reporting. Until then. Sicked in, I say.
Dr Harvey M Tarvydas
With in a week the shooting of unarmed people not expecting violent death of similar magnitude occurs on the high seas and totally unexpectedly in a peaceful, lovely place in England.
The huge psychological difference in the way we all seem to be affected by the latter event compared to the other is the emotional shock it has caused because it could happen to any of us when the disturbed human with a gun confronts us at his determination without warning.
Since we are not about to deliver aide via the high sea only compassion is wrenched from us in the other incident.
To the dead bodies, to the lives lost, lives fatally interrupted there is no such difference.
A lone man with a gun stalking un-expecting innocent persons or trained ‘killers’ swarming en mass onto unarmed, fearful, courageous protesters on another’s instructions opening up with machine guns both commit the crime of murder but our selfish orientated appraisal of the possibility of personal assault determines our reaction.
@ Dr Harvey -well said…
Again Israel flouts it’s nose at the international community, again it murders innocent civilians and again it puts its propaganda machine into top gear. @ Fitter put it correctly -armed killers… Why has Israel confiscated all other recordings of the attack, why is it that the statements of witness’s say that they were shot at with live rounds, tear gas and stun grenades before the IDf raided the ship? Again, as with the Goldstone report, Israel plays itself as the victim rather than the murderous fascist aggressors their state has become…..
I’ll leave the last word to Mr Fisk:
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-western-leaders-are-too-cowardly — to-help-save-lives-1987989.html
[Moderator- this comment has been edited. No personal jibes please] Berkman calls Israel a”murderous fascist aggressors”.
Apparently that fulminating poison isn’t enough so he then nauseates us with Fisk?
Who wants to believe hat the ‘Peace Flotilla’ was actually about aid shipments?
Not you by the looks of Jamsk,I would say Fisk has forgotten more about Israel and it criminal treatment of the people of Palestine than you have ever learned,but then the Israeli propaganda apologists don,t have much acquaintance with the truth at the best of times.
Why has @ShepherdMarilyn’s first sentence at 6:14pm been allowed to stand, then? Consistency, please.
Possibly because she was quoting the SMH journalists who were actually there, unlike you and cohorts sitting at your keyboards waiting the next e mail from the propaganda dept and spin machine
No but if the cap fits pal
@ The Hilarious John Ryan.
Fisk like the utterly insane lefty Pilger is infamous.
Their names have entered the English lexicon but not for any proud reason.
What Fisk “knows” is his problem.
Looks like he should forget heaps more.
No problem for you tho’ ……… obviously.
To all those who ‘believe’ Israel’s doctored footage of the event I would just ask you this:
If Israel’s story is the truth then why has Israel confiscated and refused to return cameras and mobile phones carried by the activists? More to the point, given that those cameras and mobile phones would contain footage…. there was live streaming before the IDF attacked … then surely it is a record of what happened.
Only an idiot would think anything other than that Israel has something to hide in keeping this footage. If there had beent he slightest, I repeat, the slightest shred of evidence in that footage to support Israel’s stance it would have been plastered across the airwaves before now.
While the Israelis may be utterly insane, the rest of the world is not. Sane people will quickly deduce that Israel has refused to return cameras and mobile phones because their footage supports the activists story of what happened and not Israels. I am beginning to think that Israelis are not just ‘made’ they are stupid. Either that or they have such an infalted sense of their own intelligence they regard the rest of the world as fools.
Whatever the answer this is one lie they will not get away with.
Apologies for the typos. doing too many things at once. I meant mad not ‘made,’ of course. And inflated not infalted.
@Roslyn
Israel bad; Peace activists good.
Here’s a jingle for you to sing with John Ryan.
Flotilla Choir presents: We Con the World
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOGG_osOoVg&annotation_id=annotation_665723&feature=iv
It’s considerably better than radical leftist grotesquely vicious Kumbaya, isn’t it?
‘Course….. you could look at the evidence and realise that your prejudices have been stirred once again by a willfully disingenuous mainstream media
JamesK,
yes, I saw this and thought it was sick. There’s a place for satire, always, and nothing should be sacred but satire needs to be funny. This music clip is just sad. I think even more so given that nine and possibly more people are dead and dozens injured, some badly because they dared to fight for justice.
MICHAEL JAMES
Forget the Western media. Have you tried to read the Israeli media? Very interesting.
Rena,
I have respect for Haaretz but I have had for a long time. It’s reasonably balanced for Israel and you have to admire the courage and integrity of many of its commentators.
I love Haaretz, that is why I am recommending it to anyone who would care for balanced views.
Keep it up JamesK just goes to show how desperate the spin merchants and propaganda pushers are,I think your natural home is with the sleazy sick bastards on Bolts and Ackermans Blogs.
There you can sing along with Andrew and nary a dissenting word will you hear,just the place for you, white is black and black is white in Bolts world,enjoy as they say
Brendan O’Neill of Spiked who is definitely not an Israeli supporter nor far from what could ever be termed a conservative or even a right winger has quite a few saluatary points to make about the typical hair-trigger poisonous anti-Israeli vitriol so hip in the liberal mainstream media:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/hypocrisy-makes-life-worse-in-mid-east/story-e6frg6zo-1225875184668
Please JamesK in the Murdock Australian,a paper and it editor that could not lay straight in bed,pull the other one Faux News in print,run along and play on the highway
Yes John Ryan and Murdoch owns the Wall Street Journal as well where this Op-Ed just appeared:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703561604575282423181610814.html
“So the Prime Minister of Turkey calls Israel “a festering boil in the Middle East that spreads hate and enmity,” while his foreign minister compares Monday’s Israeli naval raid on a flotilla of ships headed for the Gaza Strip, in which nine passengers were killed, to the attacks of September 11, 2001. For good measure, the Turks have also wagged their finger at the Obama Administration for not immediately denouncing Israel’s actions.
Yet the more facts that come to light about the flotilla, its passengers and their sponsors, the more it seems clear that Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Ergodan’s government, far more so than Israel’s, must be held to account for Monday’s violent episode. Maybe that’s something the U.N. Human Rights Council, which on Wednesday condemned Israel for an “outrageous attack” and voted 32-3 to set up a “fact-finding mission” (with the U.S. in opposition), might get around to investigating, though we wouldn’t hold our breath.”
As Tim Blair points out all this follows a well trodden pattern:
“This fauxtilla case is following the usual three-step pattern for alleged Israeli outrages:
1. Initial reporting slams Israel.
2. Facts emerge calling into doubt many initial claims.
3. Ignore step two.”
Thank God for Murdoch, eh?
Damn! Murdoch doesn’t own the Settle Times where Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer has something to say:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2012025784_krauthammer04.html
You are joking JamesK Tim Blair along with Bolt Ackerman and co are Murdock’s pet poodles, no one else in their right mind would employ Ackerman,right wing BS written to order, Charles Krauthammer A regular contributor to FAUX NEWS which like SKY NEWS is where you and your ilk get their information.
WSJ was a quality paper till that dog got hold of it,you must really tell me with NEWS LTD do any of his papers disagree with what Murdock says,after all hes the man who begot GW Bush one of the worst presidents in US history.
Try Again James you are failing badly and your friends in the propaganda section wont like it,why dont you go read the SMH and the article from two people who were there,not pontificating from a keyboard after getting their talking points from the Propaganda dept in Israel,keep it up JamesK you like Israel will lose in the end
No I’m not joking John Ryan.
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http://www.smh.com.au/world/some-sought-martyrdom-20100603-x7f2.html
So if its in a Israeli paper reported by the Israeli Military it must be true, but if its in the same papers reported by 2 of their reporters who were there its not,your getting desperate mate.
I would not believe anything the IDF said they have a history of lying and murdering unarmed people,or letting others do it for them,so your running out of opitions.
When you run out of options you resort to abuse,how like the NEWS LTD stable of right wing nut jobs you are revealing your self to be
I point out again. John Ryan
You have not made out a single argument worthy of the name. Nary a one.
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Luckily for you Crikey and its moderator is sympathetic to your sick views and it shows.
Just because you call Israel and Israelis murderers doesn’t mean you are right.
Just because you call everybody with views contrary to your superficial beliefs “sleazy sick bastards” doesn’t mean you are right.
Australia supports Israel and recognises Hamas as a terrorist organisation.
Make an argument.
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I suspect supporters of Israel resort to abuse because they know they don’t have a case. Human rights groups, including Israeli; peace groups, including Israeli; legal commentators, including Israeli; journalists, including Israeli; the United Nations; bodies of international law; various reports such as Goldstone; representatives of governments and aid agencies from around the world have all CLEARLY DOCUMENTED Israel’s ever-growing list of war crimes and human rights abuses. The occupation of Palestine is illegal; the apartheid wall is illegal; the siege of Gaza is illegal… and they are all inhumane and in contravention of human rights.
And still there are those who choose to live in denial. Sad.
JamesK,
Most Australians most definitely do not support Israel’s behaviour. The Australian government of course accepts Israel and toes the line, sadly, with the US in regard to Hamas, the legally elected government of Palestine. Most people consider the State sanctioned terrorism which Israel uses to maintain occupation and colonisation to be worse than the terrorism Hamas uses to free the Palestinian people.
But even Kevin Rudd was prepared to kick out Mossad over the fraudulent passports and strongly condemn the piracy and murder on the high seas last week.
Anyone who follows the Israel-Palestinian issue is well aware that there is far greater informed comment regarding Israel and probably on forums these days a 50percent increase in that comment since the war crime of Operation CastLead: the attack on Gaza. (I mean, what does it say about a culture where the army uses the name of a children’s game to slaughter men, women and children held captive in the world’s biggest prison?)
Most Australians, and now most people around the world, know that Israel was founded through dispossession; that it maintains a brutal occupation and uses it to continue to dispossess and colonise; that Israel sanctions torture; that Israel imprisons children- thousands of them amongst the 10,000 Palestinians, most held without charge, who have dared to resist their occupation; that Israel has bombed its neighbours and slaughtered thousands as well as littering Lebanon with cluster bombs; that Israel murders… they call it assassination but it is murder at will; that Israel refuses full rights as citizens to its indigenous Arabs; that Israel flouts UN conventions and the Geneva convention; not to mention international law and that Israel, as the regional thug is the greatest threat to world peace at this time.
Most Australians increasingly refuse to accept Israel today…. because of its behaviour. You are one of the few apologists left.
The jews have two issues now - me and me.
Hammurabi was the king of Babylon who codified the set of city / state laws and had them carved into a huge black obelisk in the city center.
Part of the deal back then was a pack of deadbeat goat herding people, decided to rip it the city laws, and then rewrite it by removing the king from the script and inventing a diety and ascribing the laws as a work of the diety.
So the jewish religion is nothing more than a scummy standover merchant cult, based upon plagarising the Code of Hammurabi.
The first 6 books of the old testicle are wholly or in part - verbatim copies of it.
Secondly islam - is a spinoff conjob of this too - a middle eastern “me too” cult. Mohammad got his 2c worth on the subject from Abraham. So islam is a fraudulent con-job as well.
Jesus never existed. If he had of, for starters he didn’t preach christianity - he talked about jewish religious observances. Guess what oh righteous bible thumping twats? Christianity is a conjob too.
“Oh no!!” the christian brainwashee’s cry out - so lets go down to McDonalds for a HAMburger after church and discuss this heresy.
The jewish religious trip - is a fraudulent scam of the first magnitude - and the scammers have kept the lie going on ever since.
The jews, islamacists and the christians - your god/s don’t exist, no one has any “divine right” over any land, and the power mongers and their cults of hate, violence and control - the scam is up. You have no religious authority over anyone - only superstition, coercion and fear.
Don’t believe me? Do your own comparisons - get your own opinions, based upon your own experiences.
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/hamcode.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Hammurabi
http://eawc.evansville.edu/anthology/hammurabi.htm
Compare the old testicle and the Code of Hammurabi…
So now as the descendants of space germs, fighting over bigger pieces of the petri dish…. I guess the plot of brainwashing is now going to unravel… Faster.
@ James K - And the Goldstone report? your oh so intellectual assertion of it? murederous apologist you are… your opinions are sickening…
want some truth? http://www.democracynow.org/
@ James K logic - wheelchairs bad, uzi’s good, kitchen knives = WMD, IDF good - nobel laureates, religious leaders, peace activists bad …. keep tapping away but be sure to wipe the foam from your mouth… truly truly a sad state of affairs….
The Crikey moderator is a bad joke.
boohoo James, spilt the milk have we??
Dr Harvey M Tarvydas
@ALEXANDER BERKMAN thank you. My motto is psychology, psychology, psychology is everything.
@ROSLYN.ROSS what you are saying is the English speaking world does not understand these matters as Europeans do thus their greater outrage expressed.
There is an understandable reason for Israel’s apparent ugly folly.
I am not very knowledgeable in all or even many things Jewish but when the good science knows something it applies to all and this includes the science of psychology (not the blurb or poetry of psychology but the science). Psychology, psychology, psychology is everything.
Some observations :- A long history of national suffering or victimization certainly influences the national culture and the culture less directly the individual. An extraordinary large part of the Jewish population of Israel (if not a small majority at least) is influenced by the modern Western culture as far as it has gone ‘anti-racist’, peace loving, killing prohibiting, tolerant ethnically and human rights respecting for all and they would advise their leaders as we would. Serious abuse perpetrated on oneself and close loved ones in the short history of ones personal life often (not always and not as often as some promote) results in the abused becoming an abuser (equal or worse). There are far more psychopaths among us than psychiatry ever dreamt possible. Sharon was old enough to have suffered the horrendous abuse of Jews in the 40’s very personally and by my diagnosis became an awesome abuser as did many others of that age (outside the culture thing but disguised of course) but never got treatment for his post traumatic stress syndrome (who would have had the medical guts to even contemplate the appropriate medical advice in respect of this man). And then revenge, racism, misunderstanding, arrogance and superiority complexes rage on controlling the good and the bad of all the players on both sides competing with the force of human hope (a psychological blank space still) empowering expectation and worthiness of the human spirit.