Australia vs. Israel: round one
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Foreign Minister Stephen Smith has booted an Israeli diplomat — widely suspected to be Mossad’s man in Canberra — out of Australia for their connection to the use of Australian passports in the murder of a senior Hamas leader earlier this year. Israel itself is playing it cool, but the local Jewish lobby is likely to be less impressed. Never short on opinions and soapboxes, expect to hear more from them today and this week. Deputy Opposition Leader Julie Bishop has already started fueling the debate, accusing the Government of trying to “curry favour within the Arab community” to secure a seat on the UN Security Council. This is the same Julie Bishop who criticised Smith for allowing Uighur activist Rebiya Kadeer into the country last year because it might anger China. An anonymous AAP report today suggests the Government hasn’t forgotten this either, and predicts Smith and co will use it to deflect and distract any further criticism over the incident. Stay tuned for more coverage and analysis in today’s Crikey Daily Mail. In the meantime, here’s the first batch of op-eds on the issue from the country’s pundits. Expect many, many more — both here and abroad. The Australian Alan Gold: Smith went too far by expelling Israeli diplomat
Greg Sheridan: Badly misjudged action will have a political cost
Sydney Morning Herald Editorial: No passports for murder
The Age Michelle Grattan: Epulsion right, but risky
Mark Davis: With sorrow and regret, Smith declares cooling-off period with Israel
Herald Sun Staff writer: With friends like this…
Elsewhere… Antony Lowenstein: Why it’s now time for Australians to start asking what Israel is doing in our country
Larvatus Prodeo, Robert Merkel: Hey everybody, look over there
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FMD. The Isrealies were caught red handed forging passports and stealing the identities of Australians which were then used to carry out an assasination in a third country, yet the opposition has the gall to criticise the governments actions.
Whose side are they on?
While i agree the Israeli forging of passports was wrong KRudd has managed to get himself offside with India, China and Singapore (how can you upset anyone in Singapore?) and now Israel. All this in less than 3 years in the job, marvellous effort that!
Spot on John. The issue isn’t so much the expelling of the Israeli diplomat, it’s how a former diplomat such as Rudd can be making so many enemies amongst his peers - and this from a bloke who sees himself as the head of the UN one day!
The UK, Australia and other countries are unhappy with Israel conducting assasinations but they were happy to start wars that killed hundreds of thousands of people.
The UK, Australia and other countries are unhappy with Israel forging a Passport but they are were happy to forge (or accept the forgery of) evidence of WMD and the manipulation of the UN Security Council.
This is not said to defend any nation that breaks international laws of war, peace or diplomacy.
But I do think we can ask for some admissions of fault and inconsistency when belligerent nations call, as they should, for other nations to respect international law.
I saw the possibility of using passports so blatantly as most *UN-INTEL* - specially for Israeli intelligence. However, one must consider that Israeli’s cannot use their own passports to take out Islamist wanna-be Holocaustians: 57 Islamic states, who have gotten almost all their states and Monarchs illegally - bar Jews from entry - while also attacking Israel for OCCUPYING 12% of the land allocated her in the Balfour declaration [80% went to illegal Jordan; 8% to illegal west bank and Gaza]. What’s for deserts - Aussie silence?
That Australia is isolated from the issues facing Israel is hardly a matter of merit - specially when Australia pretends about the climate pollution and chases whale ships - but is blissfully dis-concerned with serial genocide against Jews at the UN Madarassa. Someone should tell Australis - first negate the 75 reasons why you can’t solve your water problems - even being surrounded by H2O, and discuss the climate when your population is 700 Million. People will listen?
If Australia had balls - she would cease performing Heil Hitler salutes at the UN along with the EU & Islamic league , and demand the restoration of the Balfour. Hey - taking out 80% of a tiny land and calling it a “2-STATE COMPROMISE’ [that British term used here!] is as un-christian as it can get - and as Nazi porn as it was and is. Then calling a 3-state as a 2-state today affirms the agenda: aside from being attrocious aritehmetics.
If the truth can set you free:
JEWS HAVE NEVER STOLEN ANYONE’S LAND IN ALL THEIR 4000 YEAR HISTORY.
The fundamental things apply, Mr. Rudd. Hope your dreams of being a UN President happens - but not at the cost of Judging Israel and remaining silent of Hamas for 10 years. No sir!
DAN CASS: The fact that the Israeli government follows the old ex-soviet game plan in having agency members (spies) attached to your people serving in diplomatic postings is, I’m sure, a fun thing.
Except you are meant to be our friends. All those warm fuzzy feelings about the help Australia gave you in setting up a new country-in somebody else’s backyard. What wonderful people we are, so generous, etc etc.
Now you thank us by installing Mossad agents on the diplomatic circuit.
Kevin Rudd didn’t get himself or Australia ‘Off side’ with Israel, Israel managed to do that all by themselves, when they started forging passports and stealing the identity of Australia citizens, then committed murder with said passports and identities, offending another friendly country to Australia.
Oh but wait the Jews were the only people to suffer during WW2, so they are allowed to do anything for the next 200 years. Lets not upset them, better still lets give them part of another county, how about Tasmania.
Israel has been on the nose with most of the world for many years now as they smash, kill and murder their way around the Middle East, steal land and persecute and torture the civilians of Lebanon and Palestine.
The diplomats and embassy should have been shut down over the massacre in Gaza not this pissant passport crap.
Why do we bow down to this pack of rapacious criminals is what I want to know. We are not at war with arabs, we deal with arabs for pete’s sake so why would Bishop talk such mindless crap.
And let us not forget that for all their noise here in Australia there are only 110,000 jews and they all live in peace and safety, unlike the 400,000 muslims who are bombarded with hate and abuse from large chunks of the community.
Regarding the passports/expulsion: Australia as a country and the individuals involved have every right to be pissed off (even if it is an uncomfortable truth that this is all part of the necessary espionage that countries like Israel must engage in to survive) - but I find it bizarre that expelling a diplomat back to his home country is considered a harsher penalty than charging the individuals involved with fraud or theft where, if found guilty, they could end up for many years in prison.
Regarding the Crikey report: how do you justify giving a link to a vacuous self-appointed windbag like Lowenstein on the same page as luminaries such as Michelle Grattan who provides a well-researched and thoughtful commentary that adds to the story rather than screams “look at me!”
…but I think I got away with it.
I think But Seriously must be right. The Israeli’s have stolen no-one’s land,they have just appropriated it.
To blame all Jews for Iraeli’s actions is like blaming all Christians for the invasion of Iraq on false pretences.
Really instead of the Israeli’s forge our passports why don’t do it for them? The foreign policy this country has had towards the Middle East has been so lopsided we may as well have.
The Israeli’s have so fatuously denied everything in the last 60 odd years that no-one can believe a statement they make - so their pleading innocence on the charge of identity theft and offering nukes to SA in the apartheid years ring very hollow indeed.
The jewish lobby in Australia will back Israel as usual, forgetting that they should be Australians first and behind the scenes powerful businessmen of that tribe will try to coerce with guilt and cash the opinion makers in the media to fall in line.
Yes they’ll equate criticism of Israel with anti-semitism and dilute it’s meaning further still. Criticism of Israel should be referred to instead as anti-bullism.
BUTSERIOUSLY, I suppose you believe that no land has ever been stolen by anyone. If some land somewhere has been ‘stolen’ (by your definition - whatever that is) how can you possibly know the ethnicity of the thief, over 4000 years? Do you use some text as if it is a bureaucratic record?
Oh, and while I’m at it, where did you get the idea that Australia is a “christian” nation? Aside from there being no such thing (the Pope’s a catholic, not Italy, Iran is a secular state not Muslim - sorry, Mr Armadinejad), your “attrocious aritehmetics” suggest you have no idea what you are talking about.
Butseriously, replying to your poor arguments in turn will be boring.
The fact is though that much of the Jewish settlements are according to international law “illegal”. That is fact. You’ve made your bed defying international law Israel, so lie in it and stop complaining…..
MCCOLL.
Please consider: That no land has ever been stolen by Jews - ever - is not my opinion but a fact. This is true even that the Jews have been dispersed across the nations after their land stolen and mosques and churches dumped therein - facts, not OP’s. Tasmania may be stolen, its natives genocided - but this was not a Jewish act. You will find no such thing as jews occupying another peoples’ land anywhere in Geo-History - thus the invention of Pretend Pals.
Australia is a Christian nation - taken by Christians who came from Europe. Fact. That Australia also follows the sublime laws of the Hebrew bible in its institutions and judiciary, as opposed to any laws stemming from the Gospels or Quran [not a oner - name one?] - is something Australia must be grateful to Jews for - it made Australians one of the best folk around today - as opposed to being medevial Europe, when it barred its doors shut to Jews fleeing W.W.11. - while also working against Jews returning to their own land. Genocide 101:
‘WE WILL NEVER SUPPORT THE *RETURN* OF THE JEWS TO *THEIR HOMELAND* BECAUSE THEY REJECTED JC’ - Pope pius, on the eve of the Holocaust - now considered as a Saint.
That Pope may have caused the Holocaust - but by default admits a truth about the Jews: THEIR HOMELAND. Not occupied homeland - hello? This is as much a fact as the invention of Neo Pretend Palestineans because a Pope shook hands with an Egyptian terrorist 3 decades ago. The Vat has clearly become dementiated: Palestine is the name dumped on Judea - the Jewish homeland - not a Christian, Islamic or Arab homeland. Hi there!
Have you ever wondered why Christians and Muslims never begin their Israel bash by first stating what are the rights of Israel - if any? Or how many 2-states in one tiny land = a 2-state? Does someone need a history book and a calculator from K-mart?
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The fact is though that much of the Jewish settlements are according to international law “illegal”. That is fact.”
Yes, that is a fact. But it does not mean it is also correct. Maybe Christians and Muslims are being tested here by a higher force - before the big thud? The UN is controled by Christians and Muslims with a certain historical track record with Jews - and if the UN Madarassa had its way - all of Israel would be deemed a settlement, the blood libels and the Protocols a fact, and that the Jewish temple which stood in Jerusalem deemed a Zionist myth. But there goes your Gospels - which says one Jew visited that mythical temple!?
Its funny how those occupying stolen lands as their Capitals - would question a 3000 year Capital which they know as a historical fact - even more so than they know their own hands. At least the Nazis were honest about it.
“Butseriously”…….seriously?!!
Can Crikey please moderate its comments section more stringently?
How do these people even find Crikey?
Author: The_rothComment:
I think But Seriously must be right. The Israeli’s have stolen no-one’s land,they have just appropriated it.
Checking my history lessons, I find that Israel was re-established legally, with the world’s nations voting - and it all happened at the UN. Even the Arab states which attacked Israel voted in the UN Motion which made Israel the most legal state in the UN’s history. But then the Arabs changed their minds when the results were tallied. I know of no nation which underwent such a process - even when Israel was a nation which absolutely never required such a charade: both the UN and the Balfour concurs Israel was *RETURNED* to her historic lands - hardly a term meriting OCCUPATION of another peoples’ land. There were no Muslim Palestieans pre-1960. Check it out. Today’s Jerusalem Post was called the Palestinean Post.
Which Islamic state created by Briton went through such a process of the world’s nations voting? - and why not , seeing they never existed 120 years ago? I challenge anyone to say which was and remains the UN’s worst violation, as yet with no UN Reso # for this openly declared genocide gaol - even when all the lands now discussed were in Arab hands - even before Europe invented Muslim Palestineans:
“THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE TO THE UTTER DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL - WE WILL DRIVE ALL THE JEWS INTO THE SEA” - Nasser.
If the truth does not set liers free - its not Israel’s fault. Nor do I see Christians and Muslims desperately needing a new golf course on soccer sized Israel as legitimate. Israel is 220 K KM2; Saudi Arabia - a totally ficticious state - is 2.2 Million KM2. The BBC has to zoom in 120 times to see Israel in its world map. Such is the desperate levels reached by those who want Israel destroyed. But without Israel both Christians and Muslims will have no option but to blow each other up - these two systems contradict everything they stand for from here to kingdom come. And nothing whatsoever to do with Israel.
Yesterday’s diplomat explusion saga, in Australia, helped bury a rather more significant revelation about Isarael.
The British Guardian newspaper carried a front-page, several part feature, including new and damning documentation of close co-operation between Israel and Apatheid South Africa over nuclear weaponry during the 19870s and 1980s.
In ‘By Way of Deception’ published almost two decades ago, the courageous ex-Mossad whistle-blower Victor Ostrovsky gave his impression of the numerical strength of the Mossad outside Israel. I recall he suggested some 8,000 sayanim operated in London alone during the 1980s. Sayanim, apparently, are on-call ‘volunteers’ for The Mossad, drawn from within the local Jewish community in countries outside Israel.
How many sayanim operate today within Australia? Has anyone ever asked this question in an Australian Parliament? Why not?
Is it acceptable that a foreign nation, with a quite specific agenda that’s by no means identical to Australia’s interests, organises in a clandestine manner within this country - up to and including the commission of crimes such as identity theft? Furthermore, is it acceptable that this occurs without any apparent scrutiny on the part of the mass media - and with a completely unknown level of scrutiny from Australia’s so-called (and mis-named) ‘Intelligence Agencies’. I think not.
The disadvantage to Australia of our relationship with Israel is highlighted by its gross asymmetry. Whoever heard of an ‘Australia Lobby’ inside Israel? Nuisance, interference, manipulation and control-freakery is all one way.
Australians are increasingly seeing Israel for the Apartheid State is has become.
The correct foreign policy towards Israel, in my view, is to support the growing international movement to isolate and boycott this war-mongering, nuclear-armed, supremacist and segregationist state.
Like the South African Apartheid State before it, the days of Apartheid Israel are surely numbered. The good news is that a pluralistic, truly democratic State in Greater Palestine offers great long-term hope to all who live there - all, that is, except to the minority fixated on a separatist ideology based on blatant racism and/or quasi-religious delusions.
As in the case of South Africa, the destructive ideology of ‘separate development’ will wither and fade away in time. But - also as in the case of South Africa - the world community must demand the end of ‘separate development’.
Palestine is not their bloody homeland though. The jews of today have not an ounce of link to the place as Shlomo Sand amply showed in his book “who invented the jews”.
It is just another stupid cult mate.
Daniel moderating is a form of censorship. But Seriously is seriously in error however he/she has a right to make a fool of his/herself.
Daniel moderating is a form of censorship. But Seriously is seriously in error however he/she has a right to make a fool of his/herself.
I tried not to make any false statements, and don’t believe I have. It may be a sad truth that the truth does not set all free. It seems a cherished lie is preferable to a disdained truth. But I say:
AN HONEST DISAGREEMENT BEATS A DISHONEST TRUTH.
I’m not going to engage with crazy people, sorry.
Stuff the Jews, I’m rooting for the Canaanites or Ugarits for Palestine! I mean 4000 years, perr-leassee, that’s small beer in the history of mankind in Palestine…..
The Israelites were Canaanites - born and initiated there. But for the Hebrew bible, the world would not know of Canaan or Abraham. The pre-Islamic Arab race is relatvely new: 2,500 years old and was not around when Canaan existed - the Jews, the Kurds, the Copts all predate the Arabs in this region; Arabic writings is also new - 400 CE.
Jews have not stolen anyone’s land ever. Palestine and Pakistan are stolen lands. Trying to kill off the witness will not change historical truths.
TO COVER ONE LIE - A 1000 TRUTHS MUST BE COVERED.
For those that don’t know, Butseriously is rehashing the discredited arguments from Joan Peters’ ‘From Time Immemorial’. Refutation can be found here:
Norman G. Finkelstein, Henry Munson, Jr. and Elaine C. Hagopian
Middle East Journal, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Autumn, 1985), pp. 917-919
But seriously ? My family was there over 5000 years ago and my family is British. Can you prove me wrong ???? They have showed the world that they cannot be trusted, over and over again. The yanks should stop giving money to a Nuclear armed country, that had ties to 9/11 and made money out of it.
Round one, indeed. We’ll hear the usual pro- and anti-Israel arguments, but I guarantee that no-one (least of all Murdoch’s Daily Catholic) will mention that Israel’s support among non-Jewish conservatives is due entirely to superstition.
It’s a lot more open among US evangelicals, but Christian fundamentalists worldwide believe that the second coming of Christ will occur only after the entire middle east is possessed by Jews. That is what drives the manic and fact-free pro-Israel sentiment, and why it’s so invulnerable to rational argument.
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Syd Walker, that’s not really a revelation. Spy agencies field spies, and Israel is the least of our worries in that regard.
China runs its own “sayanim” among the thousands of university students who study here. They’re not killers or thieves; the Chinese government subsidises them and/or leverages their patriotism by asking them to report whatever small details they can, even if it’s just about the way a university’s bureaucracy works. All of those details feed into the larger picture the real spies work from.
The real fallback is when a young Chinese or Israeli gets a knock on the door and has to safe-house or otherwise assist an active spy, or to do something similarly risky, though that’s rare.
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And poor old butseriously. It seems mean to dogpile someone so naive, but people really can’t go around promulgating such ridiculous fallacies.
I’ll be gentle. Butseriously, if the Jews have a right to the original land of Israel - plus what they’ve annexed since - because they had it 2000 years ago, does that mean you believe all land should be returned to whoever was on it as far back as history allows us to know? If so, there are some Australian aboriginals you need to give your house to.
Wow buttseriously, nice argument.
Canaanites had a variety of ethnic groups, and religions. Israelites *came* from the Canaanites not the other way round. Where were Israels mum dad from?
Hebrew bible, tush, Canaanites are also mentioned in Egyption texts. I’ve mentioned it now, woweee….
Canaan the word is Phoenician by the way….
I point you to conservapedia.com where you can sun yourself in the comfort of others…
I’ve not read that esteemed book, but my statements are historical and factual:
Palestine was originally the Jewish homeland, and that name placed on Judea in 70 CE - not in an Arab or Islamic land. Europe, which should be a historical witness - is lieing from every cell in its structure - guess why!
Christians are silent of the blood libels and protocols paraded in the Muslim world - when their heibnous falsehoods came from Europe’s backyard, and took the lives of 1000’s of innocent people.
Israel was returned legally - the reverse applies to almost all Christian and Islamic states boasting of their homelands today.
All Islamic states created by Briton are fictional, based on oil borders, which disregarded the rights of a host of nations which predates islam in this region.
The Jews were forcibly removed from their ancestral land by those accusing her of every false chage under the sun today. Robbery by force and mass murder negates the statutory period.
Pre-Christian Europeans and Pre-Islamic Arabs did the reverse of what a Godly belief system should have done when they became religions: they exiled and persecuted the Jews, barred them from returning, and are now engaged in destroying the smallest nation because it somehow survived their deeds.
Over 90% of all Christian and Islamic lands were derived by robbery and genocide - the reverse of what is Israel’s history.
The doctrines of Christianity and Islam are totally racist and genocidal - villifying other belief systems older than theirs by 1000’s of years, both contradicting themselves of history, calling Jews as born of the devil and/or apes - when the Jews have contributed more for humanity than both of them combined and by a margin which can never be levelled.
Muslims mass murdered 70 million Indians when it invaded that land, stole a third of that sub-continent and are now demanding Kashmir - backed by Christianity - which remains the greatest mass murderers of humans in history - even when discounting their last two worst centuries.
Those are absolute truths, but which are not welcome by the corrupt multitudes. That’s not a rehash.
Canaanites had a variety of ethnic groups,
# Yes, and one of the groups were the Hebrew Canaanites.
and religions.
# Negative. The non-Hebrew canaanites were pagan and followed the Egyptian religion. Monotheism was introduced via the Hebrew bible, not the Gospels or Quran. Humanity knows about Abraham and Moses from the Hebrew writings exclusively.
Israelites *came* from the Canaanites not the other way round. Where were Israels mum dad from?
#Yes, Israel came from Canaan. This is the land they came from - not which they illegally occupy.
Hebrew bible, tush, Canaanites are also mentioned in Egyption texts. I’ve mentioned it now, woweee….
#Yes, I submit the Canaanites, a vasal state of Egypt, may be mentioned in some Egyptian texts - - but those texts are post-Hebrew writings.
Canaan the word is Phoenician by the way….
# While most links say Phoenecian writings is older, this is also a fake: the first alphabetical book is the Hebrew bible. The Phoenecians did not possess the letter ‘V’ - and have no alphabetical books.
But seriously ? My family was there over 5000 years ago and my family is British. Can you prove me wrong ????
# Yes.
They have showed the world that they cannot be trusted, over and over again. The yanks should stop giving money to a Nuclear armed country, that had ties to 9/11 and made money out of it.
Nuclear knowledge was derived from Jewish minds, used wrongly by the nations today, and this is what made both America and Russia as super powers. If you don’t like it, then tell the yanks to return it, and tell Iran not to use the products of Jews. Otherwise Allah will not give them 70 virgins. Maybe you guys should also stop using any Jewish products - like instant messaging on your cell phones and PCs?
9/11, the Bali, London and Madrid bombings, the Indian and Russian attrocities are results of Briton’s corruption of the Balfour - one of the most heinous deeds post W.W.II. While it was intended to destroy Israel - it now portends to create Eurostan. Heaven has her ways too, not!
This is literally ancient history, and of absolutely no use to the present debate.
Reminder that there are Palestinians who own deeds to property who cannot return because the property has been appropriated by Israel. This isn’t considering stealing, however, because of some stupid argument concerning the lineage of ancient desert tribes….
Reminder that there are Palestinians who own deeds to property who cannot return because the property has been appropriated by Israel. This isn’t considering stealing, however, because of some stupid argument concerning the lineage of ancient desert tribes….
What about the deeds of those Jews from Arab lands - they account for greater loss of property than the entire Muslim world’s refugees - not in your radar? If Palestineans hold deeds - does it mean Israel must not exist? Whatever is the problem with you guys - its been there for some 2000 years now. When does this horror movie end - the bottom line what you want is not confusing?
Daniel
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This is literally ancient history, and of absolutely no use to the present debate.
If you could have eliminated Hitler by forging a passport - would you be guilty?
Buttseriously,
Yep guilty. Better to take Hitler to court to face charges as generally other ‘civilised’ countries have an established working justice system…..
@STEVEN “yet the opposition has the gall to criticise the governments actions.
Whose side are they on?”
Spot on. The opposition should shut up and confine their insanity to appropriate topics - not trying to score some points with important foreign relations matters.
On the scale of diplomatic actions you can take Australia has made an appropriate response to what Israel did - stupidly get caught using fake passports.
Why they were using real identities is the real, worrying question.
Are you sure But Seriously is not the good Senator Steve,only the mind of a total fool could believe that load of old cobblers
But if I could have assassinated Vespasian, everything would have been fine.
‘Butseriously’ is a useful reminder to us all of the type of mentality that each year becomes more prevalent within the Israeli Jewish community.
It’s on the rise, partly because of the exceptionally high birthrate of orthodox Jews inside Israel.
One reason why secular Jews in Israel would do well to support a One-State solution - with all ethnicites and reglions in Greater Palestine forming a common electorate - is that full political union with their Arab brothers and sisters provides the best long-term insurance against a takeover of the Israeli nuclear State by fundamentalist religious extremists.
None can blame Israel for adopting any means to defend her existence. Every one knows that all countries use whatever means they can een as a counter of far less than Israel has to. Those who decry Israel thissame right have a mildewed, medevial agenda they don’t want to confront - so they blame the messenger for ill tidings they support - or else they chant VE VERE NOT AVARE. Consider the crimes against the Jews post W.W.11:
“IT WILL BE A HISTORIC COMPROMISE TO GRANT TWO STATES IN PALESTINE - ONE FOR THE JEWS AND ONE FOR THE ARABS” - A cigar chomping Churchill.
That was an immoral and illegal act by Europe’s most anti-semitic state today:
A Mandate is not negotiable. The Balfour Mandate was a solem, pledge which was accepted by Briton and entrusted to her - legally and morally. Which Christian got up and cried against such a covert post-W.W.II Nazi act - and why not?
Carving off 80% for a ficticious state like Jordan is not a COMOROMISE but a genocidal deed. Which Christian rose up against it - or what % is not a COMPROMISE?
Again, calling a death-to-Israel 3-state as a 2-state today is heinous Nazi math. How many Christians are liable for supporting such evil aritmetics? How many Jornalists are liable for calling a 3-state as a 2-state?
The creation of a host of ficticious Islamic states, all to one Arab Hashemite family, none of which existed before [unlike Israel], and all for 30 barrels of oil - is a factual, non-virtual, in thy face - Judas deed by Briton. Those who fostered Briton the last 100 years of this deed - are not Apostles but Nazis with funny masks complaining about the climate pollution.
Calling Muslims obsessed with Israel’s destruction as Palestineans is totally obscence and an exposure of the intention: this name was first dumped on the Jewish homeland of Judea - not on an Islamic or Arab land. Is there a Christian in the house who does not this fact?
Creating a host of ficticious states, upto 2.2M KM2 each, then carving off 80% of a tiny land 2.2K KM2 - affirms all the above. Guaranteed no salvation - no vestal virgins for such folks.
When will Europe invent Muslim Zionists - and accuse Israel of apartheiding them - and all Christians and Muslims will chant AYE, AYE SIR?
The above are not hypothetical factors - they come with 100% factual precedence. Will Jesus not slap such a lot - you wanna bet? Even those who commited the most heinous crimes have one over you guys bashing Israel:
AT LEAST THE NAZIS WERE HONEST ABOUT IT.
Insane.
“Hey everybody, look over there, I wonder whether the timing of the announcement about expelling some low-ranking Israeli diplomat had anything to do with Four Corners report”! Yeah, undoubtedly astute Rudd was adamant to deflect focus from the colossal fraud’s scandal, ensuing ABC TV screened Four Corners on Monday, May 24th 2010. Exposing RBA subordinate Securency modus-operandi, their relentlessly peddled corruption to facilitate plastic notes printing venture to the successively bribed govts around the usurped glob.
Tinfoil hats all round.
“Deputy Opposition Leader Julie Bishop has already started fueling the debate, accusing the Govt of trying to ‘curry favour within the Arab community’ to secure a seat on the UN Security Council”. As sure as night follows day! Whilst the blind-leading-blind gullible suckers were fooled by the successive repertoire of the jellyback spiteful pollies — generated storm in a teacup via timely choreographed expulsion mossad’s crony, melodramatically staged to gain the relentlessly sought support for Australia’s bid to secure a non-permanent seat on the UN Security Council. And thus zionist junta glorious victory over dead bodies!
Just walk away, and don’t make eye contact.
The UN does not need another Christian or Islamic hand waver at the UN - which already has 4 of 5 christian states in the security council, and 57 Islamic & 90 Christian voters in the general assembly - all obsessed in Israel’s destruction. This makes the UN a farce, anointing its own judges, jury and executioners.
Better that we see countries like India, Israel, Japan given some form of participation in all UN ruling sectors - and all rulings be made in the open woth its process listed on the net. In fact, almost 90% of the UN motions against Israel are totally corrupt, blatantly fase, and derived by Heil Hitler salutes by history’s most notorious and bloody hands. There are more anti-Israel UN Reso’s today than nazi Germany had, plus all the world’s nations negative Resolutions combined - and not a single one is legitimate.
Australia should be working to restore the Balfour and declare that a death-to-Jews 3-state - shamelessly presented as a 2-state for peace - as a crime - aside from the most anti-semitic arithmetics. We see the reverse - hokey pokey salutes to the corrupt UN with Rudd expecting a wink wink-nod nod from criminals. Hamas will send gfts to Rudd.
Australia forgets - the best religion going today is not Christianity or Islam, nor atheism - but FAIR GOism. Julie Bishop is one devout religionist who cried FAIR GO - and she should hailed, not bashed by ridiculous manipulations about national security.
Julie is one good Bishop: Australia’s security cannot be possible with silence to those who would gladly massacre more Australians like they did in Bali. In a sense, Rudd is looking upset if someone confronts the likes of the Bali murderers. Security - what security?!
Oh no, not bashig the Bishop.
“‘Why it’s now time for Australians to start asking what Israel is doing in our country’? How many journalists are asking what the hell these Mossad agents are doing here? Spying? Co-ordinating intelligence? Shopping for red roses”?
• Well, manifestly there are none so blind as those who refuse to see the reality. Pertaining to the brainwashed category, who know not what they are unable to know, yet incessantly toying at collecting items of the ignorant intellect. Ever expanding the darkness of their cave!
No wonder for a dismal failure to catch a sight of the common denominator treachery in the Ghetto Australis. Amassed with casualties zionist era of universal deceit. Courtesy of the jellyback spiteful pollies flair to corral public opinion. Even duped casteless Jews, driven always into unthinking conformity for a sole purpose to deflect focus from the actual evildoers totalitarian ideology consequences!
So how about to have a glimpse at the contours zionist seat of power? Prominent of the Senate and Legislative Assembly benches array, resembling Ü shaped silhouette. Moulded into significant menorah image (with a shamash - House Speaker’s throne placed at the helm). When such a candlestick symbol was quoted as given by God to the children of Israel (no wonder zionist state of Israel in its search for the legitimacy symbol, had chosen precisely such a sacrosanct insignia).
Choking the chicken soup.
‘Why it’s now time for Australians to start asking what Israel is doing in our country’? How many journalists are asking what the hell these Mossad agents are doing here? Spying? Co-ordinating intelligence? Shopping for red roses”?
• Well, manifestly there are none so blind as those who refuse to see the reality. Pertaining to the brainwashed category, who know not what they are unable to know, yet incessantly toying at collecting items of the ignorant intellect. Ever expanding the darkness of their cave!
No wonder for a dismal failure to catch a sight of the common denominator treachery in the Ghetto Australis. Amassed with casualties zionist era of universal deceit. Courtesy of the jellyback spiteful pollies flair to corral public opinion. Even duped casteless Jews, driven always into unthinking conformity for a sole purpose to deflect focus from the actual evildoers totalitarian ideology consequences!
So how about to have a glimpse at the contours zionist seat of power? Prominent of the Senate and Legislative Assembly benches array, resembling Ü shaped silhouette. Moulded into significant menorah image (with a shamash - House Speaker’s throne placed at the helm). When such a candlestick symbol was quoted as given by God to the children of Israel (no wonder zionist state of Israel in its search for the legitimacy symbol, had chosen precisely such a sacrosanct insignia).
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Sounds like you have nothing to say - actually. Trying making a specific statement with a hint of evidence. Scared?
Choking the chicken soup.
That’s a fowl joke.
Why Israel has a wall:
28 Years Prison for Rocket-Firing Terrorist
by Maayana Miskin
A Gaza terrorist, Dafa Abu Adra, was sentenced to 28 years in prison in the Be’er Sheva District Court on Wednesday. The terrorist was convicted of four counts of attempted murder, two counts of active involvement in an illegal organization, three counts of conspiracy to commit a crime, one count of transporting a weapon, and one count of transmitting information with the goal of perpetrating an attack.
Iran’s History of Weapons Smuggling
The interception of the terrorist weapons ship near Cyprus - believed to be an Iranian shipment to Hizbullah – is just another one in a long series of similar attempted deliveries over the past several years.
In December 2001, the Karine-A ship was loaded in Iran with weapons and ammunition destined for Gaza. The ship took off for Egypt, where it planned to unload its cargo into fishing boats that would chug over to the Gaza coast. Israel intercepted the shipment on January 3, 2002, finding 83 specially-coated cases for sea-smuggling purposes, configurable to float at various distances below the ocean surface.
Included in the shipment were 107mm and 122mm Katyusha rockets (capable of reaching major Israeli cities), 120mm mortars, Sager and LAW anti-tank missiles, explosives, anti-tank mines, scuba gear, AK-47 assault rifles and other weapons. The vessel was manned by 13 PLO personnel and at least one person identified with the Lebanese Hizbullah terrorist organization.
Hizbullah, in defiance of a UN Resolution which stipulates this terrorist group must relinquish all weapons in Lebanon, has taken over that Government and is armed with three times the weapons of stock piles it possessed in 2001. Syria, also an Iranian proxy, has over a 1000 scuds pointing at Israel.
Churches Show Solidarity With Israel on Sunday
Tuesday, 25 May 2010
http://charismamag.com/index.php/news/28291-churches-show-solidarity-with-israel-on-sunday-
More than 1,500 churches from a variety of denominations showed their solidarity with Israel during a special service Sunday.
On the second annual Christians United for Israel (CUFI) Sunday, congregations prayed for the peace of Jerusalem and pastors dedicated their sermons to explaining why Christians should support the Jewish nation. Organized by Texas pastor John Hagee, founder of CUFI, the event drew participants from all 50 states and 50 nations.
“Israel is an outpost of freedom and democracy in one of the most undemocratic regions in the world,” Hagee said after the event. “Now is the time for Israel’s supporters, regardless of faith or political ideology, to unite in standing with Israel as she confronts such serious threats from Hezbollah, Hamas and Iran.”
Hagee said Israel is in more danger than ever, as the nation faces the threat of a “nuclear holocaust” from Iran, whose president has said Israel should be wiped off the map. But he said “making matters worse” is the fact that the Obama administration seems to be wavering in its support for the Jewish nation since Israel announced plans to build in disputed land in east Jerusalem last March.
“Washington has manufactured a crisis with Israel over building homes for Jewish people in Jewish neighborhoods in Jerusalem, something no other American administration has ever done,” Hagee said in a video message before the event. “Now there is talk the administration will impose a peace settlement on the parties whether or not the Israelis believe their security is guaranteed. In my 30 years as a Zionist there has never been a more critical hour for Israel than right now.”
Members of the participating churches were encouraged to sign a pledge posted at CUFI’s website. The statement affirms that the Jewish people have a right to live in their ancient land of Israel, that Israel has a right to defend itself against acts of terrorism, and that Christians will speak out on Israel’s behalf “whenever and wherever necessary until the attacks stop and they are finally living in peace and security with their neighbors.”
CUFI Sunday is part of a series of A Night to Honor Israel events being held in churches throughout the year. So far, 146 such events have been held nationwide.
“CUFI is just 4 years old, but since our inception, we have seen that Christians across the country and around the world are eager to learn about and act on the biblical and historical mandates for Christian Zionism,” said CUFI Executive Director David Brog.
“Israel needs support now more than ever,” Brog added. “I am very proud that CUFI is playing an ever-increasing role in making that happen.”
CUFI will host a summit in Washington, D.C., July 20-22 aimed at lobbying members of Congress to stand with Israel and urge the Obama administration to maintain the United States’ historic support for the Jewish nation.
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“With sorrow and regret, Smith declares cooling-off period with Israel … a sign that the relationship between the two countries has been seriously damaged by the incident”.
What a spectacular act of somersault acrobatics by the silver-tongued connivers, hell-bent to deceive just to attain needed support for Australia’s bid to secure a non-permanent seat on the UN Security Council. And thus zionist junta glorious victory over dead bodies!
Care to recall, who asserted that his support for Israel was: “In My DNA”! Yet now in turn to deflect focus of the rampant treachery by the jellyback spiteful pollies with the murderous zionist junta clique whose fanatical executioners recruited downunder held valid Australian passports, we’re bombarded relentlessly with the bogus saga of the fake passports.
“Israel itself is playing it cool, but the local Jewish lobby is likely to be less impressed. Never short on opinions and soapboxes, expect to hear more from them”!
• No wonder, just days before 24-11-07 federal election, Rudd addressed Jewish leaders, this time at a private function hosted by Albert Dadon (publisher of Rhapsody and the founder chair of AICE). As the Labor leader, who was still leading Howard in all the major polls, went several steps further by saying that his support for Israel was: “In My DNA”! The following weekend, Rudd’s Labor Party swept the Coalition out of office after 11 years of conservative rule.
Ironically, usurped Aussie nation has been symbolised as a liberal, egalitarian society. Thriving democracy downunder, where newcomers are given a fair go, because Aussies backed the underdog and cherished mateship values. Where most people didn’t care what one’s religion or race was, unless one happen to be unaffiliated or the independent Jew, morally differing from the zionist canon. Encompassing scores of Israeli refuseniks who renounced bloody slaughter and made Australia home (only to face thought police impaired internet communication and mainstream media role).
Where none ever was able to run for political office, unless subscribed to the taboo for discussion ethos. Where clannish inhabitants in the insular communes were indoctrinated (not unlike the exclusive brethren) as supposedly being descendants of the wandering Jew tribes. Who find no rest outside the native land, their ancestors were expelled from. Hence they followed zionist teachings as perpetual wanderers in a quest of aliyah to eretz Israel.
Apparently with the blessing of the fully-fanged Labor icons like the terribly biased Michael Danby MP. Adamant to surpass his political counterpart’s precedent, whatever it takes. No wonder, ill conditioned folks in the insular communes ignored principal allegiance to Oz, while this awesome land of plenty was exploited as a surrogate incubator by the countless organisations.
Whose core objective has been always aliyah to eretz Israel. Idealised as the highest aspiration of the tzioni Jew to achieve by abandoning Australian diaspora (exile = galut = galus). Where in this context the raison detre of the tzioni (patriotic) Jews is to support unconditionally rogue regime in Israel, through the sponsored junket tours, biased education, fierce propaganda, geared up pogroms, financial contributions and obviously continuous migration.
Thus commandeered tzioni communes in diaspora became a “legitimate embodiment” of the Jewish people, whilst the average unaffiliated or independent Jew being shunned as norm. Not mentioning our targeted conscientious objectors (blacklisted for life on unemployable’s heap). Written off, as the “self-hating” Jew outcasts. How else staunch zionists to enforce blind-leading-blind dill-flock’s adherence in commandeered kehilots?
As competing forces jostled for power over shtetl’s disinfo in reflection on the avant-garde Galus Australis, launched censoring zionist site in June 2009 by the splinter group who abandoned the sinking “Sensible Jew”, which reared its head into prominence in May 2009.
As the Labor leader, who was still leading Howard in all the major polls, went several steps further by saying that his support for Israel was: “In My DNA”! The following weekend, Rudd’s Labor Party swept the Coalition out of office after 11 years of conservative rule.
Why did Howard and Rudd feel that way - and how is it related to the Zionists illegally occupying their homeland? You have not made any conclusion what your statement means, which is in danger of being assumed as medevial antisemitism - which is LOL! surely not the case, right?
Thus commandeered tzioni communes in diaspora became a “legitimate embodiment” of the Jewish people
Zion was always a Hebrew commune, rejected by Europe and the Arabs. That is fine - to each theor own. What is not fine is rejecting the right of Zionists to exist. Its a violation of FAIRGOism.
Whose core objective has been always aliyah to eretz Israel. Idealised as the highest aspiration of the tzioni Jew to achieve by abandoning Australian diaspora.
Lve of a homeland is natral - not a crime or betrayal. Ask the Greeks, Italians, Indians, Muslims, Irish if in doubt. The consolation is, the Jews still managed to contribute more to the kingdoms which housed them than any other source. The Hebrew bible has a mandated law:
HONOR THE KINGDOM WHICH HOUSES YOU.
The Australian flag is housed in all Jewish temples, and a prayer of blessing said 3 times a day for the welfare of Australia. This is no small token - look what it did for America when one heavy accented Jew penned the hymn, GOD BLESS AMERICA. Look what happened to the Arab states when the Jews left in the 40’s. Look what is happening to Eurostan. Why not go to Israel and do the same?
Syd Walker: “The British Guardian newspaper carried a front-page, several part feature, including new and damning documentation of close co-operation between Israel and Apatheid South Africa over nuclear weaponry during the 1970s and 1980s”! Due to the innate affinity felt by the Jews around the world, even though cowed invariably by the “Jew peers of the realm”. Who belonged to the same spiecies. Indicative of the authentic source, Jewish people’s innate connection, inherited naturally at birth. Unfortunately exploited for the wrong reasons!
I myself am not a nationalist Jew who think the world would be better-off without the fascist zionism. Same applies to the neurotic militarism and the obsessive devout devotions, because religion is opium of the conditioned masses. Fanatical nationalism and indoctrinated religions have been more detrimental to the humanity on the whole, than any other vicious force, imaginable. Whilst our Jew lesser brethren were scapegoated always as a collateral human shield, to deflect focus from the actual evildoers committed crimes against the humanity. Taboo for discussion in galut, how else fascist zionists to enforce blind-leading-blind dill-flock’s adherence in commandeered kehilots?
Nevermind the far reaching implications due to the bigoted Jew nationalists to think that it’s of greater ethical importance to condemn the prejudices against one’s own people in galut (amoral world outside Israel) than that against the all other people, belittled commonly as Gentiles. Who were precluded in their own countries from asking imperative questions in the zionist era of universal deceit. Whilst not a day passing by, without the self-appointed Jewish leader, newspaper editor or radio pundit to ask: “Is it good for the Jews”?
Alert people I think recognise how ugly such a phenomenon can get. Obviously, racially prejudiced demeanour is a very dangerous style to adopt. Particularly when that violates the fundamentals of civic loyalty and the citizenship in the sovereign country. So while there was a clear understanding to support the multi-ethnic and multi-religious way of life, all together alike those locally born and the naturalised citizens must function as one nation.
Otherwise our home country to end-up with some seeing themselves as part of the transnational group! What have a treacherous bearing within the society in which we live. Notably, “minorities” in the West have a connection and empathy with their wider group, be it cultural, tribal or religious within and outside their home country. Take for instance us the Jews, who have extensive families out there. Many Jews have relatives in Israel, nothing wrong with this. The problem arises when the self-appointed Jewish leaders speak on behalf of all the Jews. While taking the line that the Jews in diaspora (exile = galut = galus) must support unquestionably zionist junta in Israel. Which implies to have a loyalty to what is apparently a foreign country.
At the time when Jews in their home country should regard themselves primary as Kiwis, Australian, British, Canadian, American, etc … and not see themselves as having some sort of slyly predetermined role, linked to the rogue regime. Whose unyielding missionaries brainwashed Jews around the world. Ariel Sharon’s view when he said: “French Jews should leave France and go to Israel”, was that the “diaspora is unsafe”, so “Jews must only live in Israel”! This goes further than saying that the purpose of Jews is to support zionist junta in Israel, as it says in fact that a Jew cannot live anywhere but in the exclusive Jewish state. Indicative of the prima facie affirmation of the racist nationalism, straight out of 19th century Europe and an attack on the basic principle of the multi-ethnicity, that Western states now operate on.
Clearly, radical zionist doctrine violates the idea of civic nationality — what actually ought to be encouraged. People can live in multi-ethnic, multi-cultural and multi-religious ways of life, yet all together citizenry must function as one nation. Where “minority” groups shouldn’t have the fanatically adhered role in supporting a mothership over their present home country. To do that, would be to live as expats! Moreover a problem is that the authentic minority groups look to the Jews as an example — they see that Jews are successful, “integrated” and make a “huge contribution” to the society, but nonetheless retain their tribal separatism.
All of this obviously fine for the radical zionists with Rudd’s blessing, adamant to surpass his political counterparts precedence), but the minority groups seek to imitate the way Jewish groups — line up fanatically to support the zionist junta in Israel — in terms of their own support of their native land communities. Such as Pakistanis in regard of Kashmir, Indian Sikhs in regard of Sikh-Hindu relations in India (etc, etc). Moreover Muslim public affairs committees increasingly seeking to be just like a Muslim version of the AIPAC. While taking on the zionist attitude of staunch advocacy for one’s side at the expense of the loyalty to the society where they live.
Empathy is fine, and state’s priorities should adjust to suit its citizens, but seeing one’s sole purpose to advocate the egotistical cause of the mothership elsewhere is treacherous in any society. So in these circumstances every moral citizen needs to pause for the moment while taking a deep breath, then to seek the reality check. Starting with our national leaders at long last to end their utterly misguided mission along with the ceased hypocritical nonsense emission.
Instead of which, we ought to galvanise vital resources towards the civil society betterment in our home country. To begin with the establishment Charter of Rights & Obligations in the sovereign Australia. Founded on freedom of speech within the fundamental human rights’ obligations. Contrary to the fascist internet filter imposition as a prototype to the broadband conquest. At the time when a vulnerable youth ought to be guided how to focus their minds away from debauched consumerism, neurotic militarism and the obsessive devout devotions exposure. If not for the fact they lacked a role model to learn how to fend for themselves!